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Simon Black Advocates Leaving America As The "Most Effective" Way To Fight The Battle With "The Mob-Installed Government Beast"
And now for some very provocative, "out of the box" views: Simon Black, better known as Sovereign Man, presents some disturbing thoughts which are sure to get the broader spirits elevated. Instead of continuing to fight what some see as a losing ideological battle with a government which no longer even remotely represents the broader population's interests, Black says simply to walk away: "When you think about it, what we call a 'country' is nothing more than a large concentration of people who share common values. Over time, those values adjust and evolve. Today, cultures in many countries value things like fake security, subordination, and ignorance over freedom, independence, and awareness. When it appears more and more each day that those common values diverge from your own, all that's left of a country are irrelevant, invisible lines on a map. I don't find these worth fighting for...The government beast in your home country feeds on debt and taxes, and the best way to win is for bright, productive people to move away with their ideas, labor, and assets. This effectively starves the beast and accelerates its collapse. Then, when the smoke clears, you can move back and help rebuild a free society." Perhaps Black is right and this is the best, and possibly only, non-violent way to fight the political-financial plutocracy?
From Sovereign Man
Tell me if you think it's worth fighting for
Date: November 29, 2010
Reporting From: Katoomba, New South Wales, Australia
In 43 BC, over 2,000 years ago, warring consuls Antony, Lepidus, and Octavian were duking it out with each other over control of Rome following Julius Caesar's assassination the prior March.
Each had legions at his disposal, and Rome's terrified Senate sat on its hands waiting for the outcome.
Ultimately, the three men chose to unite their powers and rule Rome together in what became known as the Second Triumvirate. This body was established by a law named lex Titia on this date (give or take depending on how you convert the Roman calendar) in 43 BC.
The foundation of the Second Triumvirate is of tremendous historical importance: as the group wielded dictatorial powers, it represents the final nail in the coffin in Rome's transition from republic to malignant autocracy.
The Second Triumvirate expired after 10-years, upon which Octavian waged war on his partners once again, resulting in Mark Antony's famed suicide with Cleopatra in 31 BC. Octavian was eventually rewarded with rich title and nearly supreme power, and he is generally regarded as Rome's first emperor.
Things only got worse from there. Tiberius, Octavian's successor, was a paranoid deviant with a lust for executions. He spent the last decade of his reign completely detached from Rome, living in Capri.
Following Tiberius was Caligula, infamous for his moral depravity and insanity. According to Roman historians Suetonius and Cassius Dio, Tiberius would send his legions on pointless marches and turned his palace into a bordello of such repute that it inspired the 1979 porno film named for him.
Caligula was followed by Claudius, a stammering, slobbering, confused man as described by his contemporaries. Then there was Nero, who not only managed to burn down his city but was also the first emperor to debase the value of Rome's currency.
You know the rest of the story-- Romans watched their leadership and country get worse and worse.
All along the way, there were two types of people: the first group were folks that figured, "This has GOT to be the bottom, it can only get better from here." Their patriotism was rewarded with reduced civil liberties, higher taxes, insane despots, and a polluted currency.
The other group consisted of people who looked at the warning signs and thought, "I have to get out of here." They followed their instincts and moved on to other places where they could build their lives, survive, and prosper.
I'm raising this point because I'd like to open a debate. Some consider the latter idea of expatriating to be akin to 'running away.' I recall a rather impassioned comment from a reader last week who suggested that "leaving, i.e. running away, is certainly not the proper response."
I find this logic to be flawed.
While the notion of staying and 'fighting' is a noble idea, bear in mind that there is no real enemy or force to fight. The government is a faceless bureaucracy that's impossible attack. People who try only discredit their argument because they become marginalized as fringe lunatics.
Remember John Stack? He's the guy who flew his airplane into the IRS building in Austin, Texas earlier this year because he had a serious philosophical disagreement over tax issues.
While his ideas may have had intellectual merit, they were immediately dismissed due to his murderous tactics. Violence is rarely the answer, and it often has the opposite effect as intended, frequently serving to bolster support for the government instead of raising awareness of its shortcomings.
Unless/until government paramilitaries start duking it out with citizen militia groups in the streets, this is an ideological battle... and it's an uphill battle at best.
Government controlled educational systems institutionalize us from childhood that governments are just, and that we should all subordinate ourselves to authority and to the greater good that they dictate in their sole discretion.
You're dealing with a mob mentality, plain and simple. Do you want to waste limited resources (time, money, energy) trying to convince your neighbor that s/he should no not expect free money from the government?
You could spend a lifetime trying to change ideology and not make a dent; people have to choose for themselves to wake up, it cannot be forced upon them. And until that happens, they're going to keep asking for more security and more control because it's the way their values have been programmed.
When you think about it, what we call a 'country' is nothing more than a large concentration of people who share common values. Over time, those values adjust and evolve. Today, cultures in many countries value things like fake security, subordination, and ignorance over freedom, independence, and awareness.
When it appears more and more each day that those common values diverge from your own, all that's left of a country are irrelevant, invisible lines on a map. I don't find these worth fighting for.
Nobody is born with a mandatory obligation to invisible lines on a map. Our fundamental obligation is to ourselves, our families, and the people that we choose to let into our circles... not to a piece of dirt that's controlled by mob-installed bureaucrats.
Moving away, i.e. making a calculated decision to seek greener pastures elsewhere, is not the same as 'running away'... and I would argue that if you really want to affect change in your home country, moving away is the most effective course of action.
The government beast in your home country feeds on debt and taxes, and the best way to win is for bright, productive people to move away with their ideas, labor, and assets. This effectively starves the beast and accelerates its collapse. Then, when the smoke clears, you can move back and help rebuild a free society.
I'd really like to know what you think-- which is the right thing to do, stay or leave? What are you planning to do?
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Eh, it's a living.
Daffy Duck
Why bother anyway. What is actually being accomplished anymore?
There was an important third group during the fall of the Roman Empire.
Immigrants.
Immigrants who moved into the empire because no matter how bad it was inside the empire, areas outside the empire were facing genocidal tribal warfare over thousands of miles of war fronts between ethnic groups.
The United States is no different and the use of immigrants against the last of the Roman and Italian peninsula Old Guard was a legendary effort in bureaucratic cruelty and demographic replacement.
Thomas Jefferson foresaw this, yet he never was able to fight off the banking interests of Eastern Virginia, Philadelphia, New York and Boston.
IT's sad that none of this is taught in American schools now, in the 21st century, when in the 18th century it was mandatory curriculum for all American students being groomed for leadership in the country.
IT's sad that none of this is taught in American schools now, in the 21st century, when in the 18th century it was mandatory curriculum for all American students being groomed for leadership in the country
Department of Education
One way to start change is to vote for Obama. (oh wait, that didn't work out so well.)
I'm to lazy to move, but the thought of Bernanke & Bankers out on the streets makes is a pretty comforting thought.
http://www.optionsninja.com/2010/11/29/its-time-to-fight-the-banks-the-fed/
December 7th?
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/december-7-unofficial-pan-european-bank...
Tell me what country doesn't have a government that taxes and banks that rule?
I have an inside through family to live in Ecuador(great!!! their currency is the U.S. fiat dollar) and venezuela(who wants to live under the corrupt govenrment of chavez?)
I think I'll stay in the USA
Last time I looked at a map, I'm pretty sure there were more than three countries.
You get an A+ in Geography, although I think we all already know that!
Yea this is an option for most people.
Feel better "digging in". We've done it before. It's still better than leaving.
Panama? Ive been there, what a hellhole. If thats the preferable suggestion to escape the USA, then we're truely screwed.
I love Panama: the seedy bars, creepy patrons and fast women. Fishing is good too!
It is really changing in the last several years. I was there in Febuary 2009 and from what I understand it has changed dramatically for the better.
http://www.delanion.com/main/dom.htm
Inflation is a disease of money. We are trying to avoid the Beast in my Household. They will destroy Ireland with Inflation as they are doing here. Even those who are awake are helpless now and have been. It is not about intent.
Through extraordinary financial negotiations, the FRB has established U.S. Dollar swap lines with the underworld. Therefore, do not be concerned your high risk wealth creation speculation may lead to soulless indebtedness, we will still be able to provide liquidity to service your financing needs.
How easily the imagination forgets the phrase, "Global Unity".
You folks keep dreaming of staying and fighting, hehehe, LMAO! Look at Japan times (X) 10 and then you know what's coming! LEAVE as long as you still can, if you can (afford it)! Inflation, taxes and "other fees" will make it impossible to "fight", go off the gird or leave, there are no alternatives! Revolution, civil war, keep waiting and dreaming, won't happen! You people have an idea what the "gov" is willing and able to commence? You don't stan a chance, LEAVE, I know I WILL!
Leave to where? Guatemala? Panama? What other hellhole can you name, and what do you do when you get there? Raise chickens? BTW these suggestions of where you should escape to are also tinhorn dictatorvilles, Ive been to a bunch of them.
Or so the western media would have you believe. Some of these "hellholes" are actually much more free than the biggest terrorist nation/prison camp on earth that is the United States. Many are great places to hunker down, lie low and survive the coming/continuing storm so that we can rebuild the world.
Wow, that is niave tomfoolery.
You will end up as some central american warlords bondage slave if you follow this advice...
Unless thats how you started out.
From the deep concern GG expresses for the US, he seems like he might be a high ranking US Treasury Official.
Uh, not quite Gordon, Ive lived there. I'd say if you think those places are great then youre the one with your opinions formed by media. 'Hunker down in them'...I guess you could do that fairly well, if youre already one of the billionaires. Other than that, everyone there is dirt poor so good luck living in south america as a newcomer american white boy.
Where have you been hiding, GG?
+1000 (as usual GG)
GG, I don't need the western media to make me believe anything. For a variety of reasons, I have lived in a number of countries over the last thirty years. I have had the opportunity to visit dozens more, often for lengthy periods of time. I have seen and learned a good deal. Oh, and I speak half a dozen languages, so I understand what goes on around me.
Perhaps it is a matter of opinion, but I believe that referring to the US as "the biggest terrorist nation/prison camp on Earth" could be considered hyperbole.
If we were to ever meet, I could relate hours of stories about things citizens of other countries regularly experience that one does not find in the US. I'd supply the beer while we spoke.
I am hardly a "my country right or wrong" type, in fact, far from it. Much of what happens in the US today outrages me, though I must admit only half of it is done by the government itself. The rest is done by the people themselves, and not all of them are Wall Street types. I am disappointed because I expect more from a land where everything should work better and where the system was constructed to be largely self-policing (the Bill of Rights).
We can agree to disagree, but I cannot think of a country that occupies a higher moral ground than the US. I don't think anyone occupies the high ground. That being said, the large majority of nations, in my opinion, are lower on that hill than the US. Much lower.
I'm living in Northern California and the new thing is that cafes and bars cannot provide a pitcher of water for customers because "too many people touch it". Sales tax is up to 9.5% and there is travel molestation. What the fuck? I'm trying to get out.
Would love to live in any of these shit holes Bhutan, Arusha in Tanzania, North of Thailand, Fidschi, Mauritius, Seychelles.
Hey sheep, there is more to see than just going down south and back home again.
Many NGO companies in these countries, teach English, become a scubadive instructor, build houses, just do something! I know it's damn hard if you cant trade every day, due to lack of high speed internet access. Try Palau in Micronesia, great internet access and a true shit hole, unless you dive.
Okay....Washington here I come for a state visit/parade.
Potus and i will share an open landau for the magnificent parade.
Americans love the Austrian Royal family...unlike the citizens of Sarajevo.
hrh ADF
The Austrian Royal Family is, of course, always welcome on these shores -- particularly when bearing 2000 Schilling Philharmoniker pieces.
How easily the imagination forgets the phrase, "Global Unity".
Dumb article. Stay put. Hunker down. Turn off the fucking TV. Get out of debt. Go dark. Get some recreation. Get a hobby. Make something. Grow something. Build something.
Leaving the US is a fucking mugs game (I'm British btw). Every where else is the same or worse in terms of politics, freedom, surveilance, crowding, debt - it's just that some places haven't realized it yet - give it time. The US is NOT homogenous (even if the industrial, corporate culture is...and that's global now anyway). There are wonderful places to hunker down in the US, you just have to determine your own criteria and then go look.
Of course there are places in the US that must be (or will be) a living nightmare for residents and if you suspect you're in one of them, you'd better get busy.
My favorite quote (paraphrased) recently is 'stop trying to extract one more ounce of profit out of a dying system, prepare you and yours while there's still some time'. TAE.
'Leave the US' its a ridiculous idea...UNLESS of course youre one of the billionaires, then maybe you could live OK. Im reading these suggestions of where to go to...Panama...Guatemala...what the hell is the avg american supposed to do even if you could relocate there? Sell beads on the beach? BTW those other countries are also bank ran tinhorn dictatorships as well, everyone poor but a few so I dont see any point at all in this 'get out of america' line except it sounds good to cowards.
So I take it, then, that you are admitting that your ancestors were COWARDS for leaving "the old country" to live in North America instead? (Even the American Indians left Asia for greener pastures). Wow, I never realized just how widespread cowardice actually has been!
You are an idiot in thrall to the collectivist, nationalistic propaganda and lies of the ruling elite. Grow up and cultivate an independent thought for once.
(I'm British btw)
With respect, time at Oxford a real eye opener, from fees for everything to mandatory ID filing with authorities, to nanny state social workers checking out our home for our one-year old, to senior faculty riding bikes because they could not afford petrol, to gas utilities on only two hours a day, to shockingly expensive low quality food including mad cow disease
Oh, I am by no means trying to claim that the grass is greener everywhere else --- or maybe even anywhere else at all, for that matter. Certainly, the paternalistic, surveillance-mad, police state hellhole of Britain would be one of the last nations to which I would flee myself, just ahead of North Korea. But I'll be damned if I am going to be told that I automatically owe the fucking STATE (i.e., local extortion gang) under which I happened to be born anything at all, much less the rest of my life on earth.
Its hilarious how we celebrate the immigrants of the past for doing the courageous and daring act of leaving their shit and starting over. How glorious that was and now the US is the center of the world it is inconceivable to some that it might now be a shit experience. I guess that the pain of sacrifice working that job to hold onto home equity has been made bare and it is too painful to imagine how many wonderful vacations and little family moments were missed out on. I have a plan. Lets dig in deeper and sacrifice more while pretending that it helps ourselves and others while we pay for the fortress infrastructure and the Middle East getting carved up. The more that I think about it the more that I hate those hammock lounging bastards with their non-autistic-robot-drugged looking children who understand about cars and all of the scary stuff.
I also found that being an expat was not the panacea that some have expressed here. Lived in the P.I. for three years, great times but no job and had to live out of savings. Lived in the marshal islands for three years, had a job and did some great diving but no real living. Moved back to the U.S. and will remain here. I just have to make my own little Galt's Gulch on my 7.5 acres. It's alot of work outside of the 40+ hours of working for the man but I'm more self-reliant here than anytime before and in more control of my destiny. If one can find happiness outside the U.S. good for them, I did not. Taxes and insurance cost really suck, I paid neither overseas. I figure it’s the cost of having an element of self-determination.
I am going to the P.I. (Philippines) with money. And yes this poster is correct, you need to bring money with you.
There is one place you can take your money and go to. The land is free, you need only enough money to build that dream house. The weather is perfect and housing is appreciating every year. The country receives $14,000 a year from the U.S. Taxpayer, for each person, so the economy is pretty good. It's easy to be a "Settler". If you build a nice enough home you may even wake up one day and find that nice Mr. Bermanke as your next door neighbor.
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Andorra ?? Cayman Islands ?
Ok, I'll bite. where?
And that is the crux of the argument. I speak 3 languages (barely), have some PMs saved and no debt other than the mortgage. I could move outside of the US and blend into most countries (other than the far east). But where?
I will not give up my rights of self defense. Most countries forbid, or make it very difficult to own fire arms.
I will not give up my right to own my property. Most countries make it very dificult for non native born to own land.
I will not give up my right to speak my mind, or practice my chosen profession (whatever that happens to be).
I can not find another country that provides the opportunity for individual rights that the US provides (although we are rapidly loosing them). My plan is to hunker down with my family thru the lean years. If it gets bad enough, I have an escape hatch to a refuge within the US and the tools in place to go "dark".
Any option would be painful. It is just a matter of how much pain can you endure and what is the plan on the other side.
Israel will not be destroyed.
the best way to win is for bright, productive people to move away with their ideas, labor, and assets. This effectively starves the beast and accelerates its collapse.
The amount of prime real estate in the world that is controlled by people who want you to move there is probably a lot smaller than you think.
Personally, I am an advocate of Obama leaving America.
If everyone who plans to move spend 10% of the expense of moving on fixing problems on a LOCAL basis, we could make light years of progress.
There is no way that TPTB could resist the tidal flood of "special interest" money, money being used to corner them.
Once your local pollys know they will get an ass kicking post-haste if they cave in to upstream pollys, a bunch of changes will happen.
All could be done without a single lynching. Although Private Investigators and Rent Boys are on the table.
You should all read this twice, Thanatos is absolutely right. Spend just 10% of your expat research budget on changing local conditions. As someone with local relevant experience you can change America by taking over your locality and then organizing, it does work and we can take it back. Dont leave, take it back, your good enough, smart enough and you can make a difference
Not sure what you believe a move costs, but I got all my stuff packed, shipped and insured for $10k from Europe to USA. And that was before container shipping prices dropped through the floor.
What will $1000 do on a local basis? Close to nothing.
Are you the only one in your area planning on moving?
On of THE BEST pieces I have read in a while. Kudos Mr. Black!
These lines on maps are all man made fictions. Nature did not demarcate countries - despotic oligarchical governments did. Basically they demarcated the boundaries of the respective prison areas they controlled, the population therein nothing but their slaves on whose backs they could live opulently. We are all citizens of the world born on the same ONE planet, ONE Universe. The very idea of a planet divided into separate "countries" (read: prison camps) is despicable and abhorrent IMNSHO.
Meanwhile, on Planet Earth...
Err.. Excuse me, Planet: Prison Planet.
Let me finish that for ya...
Meanwhile on planet earth the various teetering countries are staring into the abyss knowing that very little time is left before the whole rotten global structure collapses of its own sorry weight and their "boundaries" are blown to smithereens. Nature is about to teach mankind (or at least the idiots among them) a lesson or two.
We certainly can agree on that much!
Y know GG, I read this little thing a long time ago. Folks thought I was nuts for even giving it credability as real.
I knew better from experence. All of these issues have been gamed to death.
It was an interseting read at least in places:
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/
The items that may interest you are here:
What you describe closely resembles the Zaibatsu Model.
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/af/a-f.htm
If you're wealthy enough, you can live in many places. You can be like Doug Casey, with no bonds with any place or any people, moving from here to there as the economic and political winds blow hot or cold.
If you're not wealthy though I don't really see any attractive alternatives. America used to BE that alternative for freedom-seekers around the world. I don't see another freedom alternative right now and I don't anticipate one appearing in any place that is not a crossroads of various wars or already full of another people who won't particularly care to have a bunch of Americans landing there any more than we want a bunch of Mexicans landing here.
Let's be frank. A nation is not just a group of people with common values. Except for America, a nation has always meant a *people* - a group of people of the same ethnicity, speaking the same language, with the same history, traditions and culture. In other words, a "nation" has always meant an extended family. Leftists have succeeded in redefining America from a land of English-speaking European settlers seeking freedom from European monarchs into the place where anyone can come and be and do anything they want to do -- in other words, a land that has no particular identity at all, except as "the place that has no identity". There's no expectation that people will even speak English, much less assimilate. They aren't expected to adopt our values. Essentially, the Left re-opened white America to colonization in order to destroy the economic and political power of the traditional white Christian American men that they despise. And we are in the process of being invaded by colonists from Mexico, Africa, India, China, and the Middle East just as fast as they can sneak in or be boated over here, in the same way that the European colonists came to North America at first "to peacefully improve their lives" and later simply took the continent away.
(Some leftists will say white America deserves to be pushed out since they pushed their way in. But this ignores the fact that all territory was taken from some other people at some time. The Indian tribes took it from one another for millenia before the white tribe arrived to take it from them. Land belongs to whomever is strong enough to hold it.)
My point in mentioning this invasive colonization is that there is no place else for white Americans to go except Europe, and that would be jumping from the frying pan into the Islamifying-fire that Europe is headed for. We won't be welcome anywhere else. This is our home. Our forefathers fought and won it for us.
So it makes sense to keep your head low so you don't draw attention from the powers that be, and it makes sense to save and invest so you have ample resources....but there's no place else to go. We stand and fight here.
I'm sorry but "America" and "freedom alternative" don't go in the same sentence together - not at least since 1913.
Freedom is what you make it. What you create with it.
Try saying "no" to the IRS, or to a "pat down" by the TSA for that matter.
You just gotta hold your mouth right when ya say "No".
I don't fly.
I pay taxes. But that is on the table if things don't change.
"No" is my default.
I say "No" to all kinds of things and people all the time.
Try it, you will like it.
+10
that's Andrew Joseph Stack III you elitist snob, and as much as I despise and deplore the opportunist criminals who are hard at dragging this country into the mire, I really don't see much difference in your craven, narcissistic, egomaniacally driven greed. you call this country a "piece of dirt". Please allow me to return the compliment on behalf of the many good and humble people whose untiring efforts have allowed me the luxury of calling out the vile and hypocritical self adulation you have bedizened your rank corruption with. you are a coward. fie upon you and all like you.
Keep on keeping' them rows straight and even, yardfarmer. We'll be eatin' our beans and rice when their bones are being gnawed by mice.
Pretty cool mirror, check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmHhB9zV_rQ&feature=related
Here's another thought. A scenario if you will. Imagine a short window of time during which all impediments to relocation were temporarily waived, globally. Picture in your mind the fucking WALL OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD RUSH INTO THE US GIVEN THE CHOICE AND OPPORTUNITY. It would be 1000:1 in:out I'd bet.
Most people I hear wanting to leave US have never lived anywhere else!
ROTFLMFAO!
Exactly, Id bet all these people suggesting to go live in sub South America have never been there. MAYBE on an 'eco-rainforest' trip or something thats about all.
Just like all the people trying to get into Germany circa 1920. Less than 20 years later they were mostly dog food and ashes.
Hunker down, be as self reliant as possible. Barter and trade.
Nah, stay put and continue to fight. America got into this mess because people gave up and chose self-indulgence. Just stop spending money and our consumerism beast will crack, and that will get attention.
We'll need good people to rebuild when the time comes. The time is now.
Mozambique coastline
Palawan island, outer Philippines
Hoi An, Vietnam- beachside
Xcalak, Quintana Roo, Mexico
Maybe nice to visit, not to live
All of these areas scarred by corruption, disease, hurricanes, inadequate infrastructure, terrorism, war or dependent on foreign aid
http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=22&year=2008&country=7453
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0930918.html
http://thepalawantimes.wordpress.com/2007/11/21/7-abu-charged-with-murde...
http://www.terrorpolitics.org/en.htm
No typhoons in Palawan.
ZH must get huge hit rates per day.
The "Drudge Report" of Wall Street.
Tyler got the last laugh, he's probably raking in advertising revenue right now.
LOL...
Hey Robo...where you been hidin'? Gone AWOL like me I presume ;-)
saw you in a pretty good movie last night, The Game†
Kidnapped and replaced by an anti-gold trolling, bubble loving jackass, sadly.
Either that, or he is using sarcasm on a level never before witnessed by this observer.
I wholeheartedly agree.
RT is just a semi-officially sanctioned troll at this point.
You know, I read posts like this and others a lot, and really for people with little money like me(under 25k) and no college degree there really is no 1st world country that will let you in. It is near impossible for us peasants to move out of the country. I hate hearing all this stuff about "how easy it is to escape the beast" from guys making 200k plus a year. Its not. Xenophobia is rampant around the world and thanks to bueacratic a holes in an office, makes us low class people stuck forever in the country we are in
And the meek shall inherit the earth.
I want to move to Kuwait. It's absolutely scenic and the climate is so moderate. Low tax burden as well.
You obviously don't drink or chase women
lol.
Kuwait obviously isn't very scenic (its a craphole) and it's hotter than shit.
All the places I've been I hate Kuwait the most.
You must have never been to Washington.
If you ever do, when you go to lunch, be sure to hold onto your sandwich with both hands. The people on either side of you will nibble on it whenever you aren't looking.
+1
I want to move to another Country. Sonnys partner Sal from Dog Day afternoon recommends Wyoming.
LOL great movie
This is all very true but another sad fact is that unless you are a billionaire (or close to it) few places I would want to live will have a run of the mill American citizen / political refugee who is over 30 years of age.
Yep, I already cashed in and am moving to Chile. Hasta la vista babe!
polluted water prices up 100% there after privatization and InterAmerican Development and World Bank loans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_resources_management_in_Chile
@Hannibal
I was down there last Fall looking at properties near Valpo and La Serena. Drop dead beautiful along the coast, but it's not a cheap country to live in. Whereabouts did you settle?
Didn't a bunch of folks leave Russia as soon as the opportunity presented itself...(rehtorical) So, do you think that caused anything to change there? Na. People who run away are incapable of creating a free nation. Stay, fight & win it back seems the only option. Tactics are needed to make the fight effective (win one state at a time and subsequently the seats in Congress - Then change/enforce the rule of law).
I guess then the Jews who fled Germany to save their lives should really have just stayed there to create a "free-nation". Well, I guess many did...
Two things Gordo.... Different situation since I don't think anyone is being targeted for extermination, and the subject is around ousting the corporate/mob control of Gov't.
However, on the theme of Jews leaving for "freedom". It took already free nations to GIVE the Jews a free nation.
I seem to recall reading about some who did. They took some guns and retreated into the forests, and conducted guerilla campaigns occasionally. I can't seem to find the article now, though.
They didn't do to well, though. Those who left and found safe harbor somewhere else did much better.
Defiance. A so-so movie, but nice to see that not all of the Jews filed onto the trains:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034303/
Real Americans don't run.
What is an "American"?
This?
I could post some pictures in response to this, but you have already made your break.
It's obvious that you are torn and trying to convince yourself that you made the right decision.
I don't think of America when I see this.
I think of a guy who probibly hates every minute of his job having to do what he can to put food on the table.
I think of a guy who thinks to himself, "This does beat the Prison Guard job I was at".
I think of a guy who needs to buy Christmas Presents for his kids and make payments to keep heat on for them.
I think of a guy who can't afford a ticket on an airplane.
I think of a guy who is tortured day in and day out by this job and get NO couseling on how to deal with it.
I see a guy who could get frustrated and lose his cool after 10 hrs of getting attitude from people.
I see a guy who will eventually become hardened to the public if the public continues to view these little guys as the enemy.
I see a need for real honesty and truth.
Note in all my posts, I never said anything about people coming back home.
I think everyone should have the unconditional right to re-patriate as long as they didn't give up citizenship.
Most of your comments are subjective, so I don't feel compelled to comment on them. But I do question your understanding of "need" here. IMHO you must have bits of indoctrination that still cloud your understanding if you view Christmas presents as a "need".
Granted.
You get the gist.
These little guys aren't the bad guys.
Right, they were just following orders.
Now get back in line, Juden! Get into the cattle cars, where they will take you somewhere where you can be free...
+10
How many TSA employees quit their job because of the recent police state tactics? There are plenty of people willing to do what they are told, no matter what it is.
And I would bet everything I have that at least 30% of them think the whole idea is fucked.
Of course, they can defer to the apparent wishes of the passengers, who all submit to the process.
You get it.
At some point it will reach criticality.
I don't see how it will reach critical if it is left up to people who are willing to do this to fellow citizens. Where is the line with people willing to do this for money? It's just like Aristotle posited, "Does a fish know it's wet?" No, it doesn't because it lives in the water. These people have no idea where the critical line is because they've already crossed it and live on the other side. Having justified in their minds (and possibly verbally to others who question them) they now become desensitized to their own acts of violation. Regardless of their personal reasons for crossing the line, there is no excuse in my opinion. People who refuse to take a stand, submit themselves to be groped, and then complain about it are no different, and crossed the line as well. They're all wet.
I see a picture of the USA.
Nope, that's a slave. A willing slave.
Offer him any equivelent alternative employment that doesn't involve working for "the man" and see what happens.
We are all slaves in one sense or another.
People are not going to voluntarily make the sacrifices needed to fix shit.
TPTB know it and use it to keep status quo.
This guy does not enjoy his job. He is willing... But for how long?
Damn right.
To those who choose to leave...the sooner you go, the better.
Why run away? Stand and fight. Start working with your local community like a man above said.
Why stay and fight when I have an easy out? My wife and I visited Singapore earlier this year (she's a doctor) and the hospital CMO basically offered her a job and "assistance" (a car and maybe a some housing) to get situated. I was amazed at the amount of ex-pats (aka White People) on Battery road where all the banks are in downtown Singapore. The place was clean, efficient and highly ranked in the "Freedom Index" posted earlier (second only to HK). I am now trying to find a job there as Mrs. AbandonShip could get us started there overnight. Fuck this place, fuck the U.S and what it has become: a mess I didn't create, I didn't really benefit too much from (thanks public school system!) and I don't want to stay and clean up (you 60+ year old white guys can pick up the mops and brooms). My father left south asia years ago for a better opportunity to raise his family. Now that I have my own son I have to consider if the U.S. is still the best place for him to grow up. I have options, maybe you don't. I'm going to go explore them. Get educated (i.e., learn skills in demand) and get the fuck out. </rant>
I am so looking forward to the day when the USA and Canada are in the dumpster and all the economic immigrants return home. Why would you move here for a job when you can just phone me at 10am (midnight) and make a sales pitch for the cable co. I'm sorry I couldn't sign up for that great deal and earn you a commision but I have my own economic troubles right now. Plus it's colder than hell here.
Good for you! Jim Rogers lives there, right? Say hello.
Good for you! Jim Rogers lives there, right? Say hello.
See what traveling does. And having options.
Got a question for you all. Would it be better to get out soon with nothing but the clothes on your back and a mountain of debt following you, or hold and try to get caught up on the debt and try to get some more income coming in not dependant on location? Just looking for opinions. Me I think I'm stuck, no plans to move [hi data miners!] but just curious as to what everyone here thinks.
I don't/haven't talked about this much on ZH, but I'm gonna let you all on in on this one. I don't live in the US anymore. And I probably will never return - not until at least the present system of government in the US has collapsed for good (and considering the low IQ level of the majority of the populace, that's likely to take a while). And right now the first thing that comes to my mind for which I am grateful that I am not livng the prison-camp known as the "US" is that at least where I live, I (or the female members of my family) don't have to endure TSA's sexual molestation. For any self-respecting human being (and apparently most Americans today aren't) I think that should be reason enough to get the hell out of that hellhole.
So where are you living now GG?
Your new home will melt your gold and pour it down your throat, bitch!
augmister, you have non-repairable issues. Please euthanize yoursel.
Good for you GG! I certainly don't want to go back until the TSA is dissoved, or until after the sheeple have woken up and realized that they are slaves who support their own bondage in the name of "patriotism".
same here, revoked US citizenship 10 years ago.
I guess I was a bit too early
Good for you, GG. I have said many times, I would make the move in a heartbeat if I could move my work with me. It is just too important for me right now, so I will just hunker down in place until I can convince my associates to go with me (without whom the research wouldn't be able to proceed). One is on board, and the other just lost all familial ties, and is ideologically similar, but still has hope for 2012. Once those hopes are dashed, I think we can pick up and go.
GG, any ideas relative to best locations to look into would be appreciated. Been looking in Central America but open minded to other ideas. Thx
The best tax shelter is the Island of Sark in the English channel.
Also the guy talks about Nero and Cias and Claudius but neglects to mention that they were followed by Vespasian, Domitian, Trajan and Hadrian before the Empire started to crumble culminating with that insult of an Emperor Didius Julianius. A man more objectionable than either president Obama or ben Bernanke if you can imagine that. It would be as if Loyd blankfein dispensed with the election and bought the office of the President directly. This was really the end of things before the Empire finally fell 600 years later despite the efforts of some good interim rulers like Valarian, Gallienus, Diocletian and others. But yes the corrpution was so inveterate that there was no saving it. That point remains true. So all in all for a human being with a rather short life-span things do look rather dire. The attitudes that were the problem then and are the problem today are similar in that they were both ingrained by decades of intense propaganda which is persistent and won't disappear until the effected people do by which time it is usualy too late.
who were followed by Ricimer, Gundobad and Odoacar. A less than pleasant procession of murder and mayhem
Do not forget Heliogabalus.
The world is now at that stage.
Diocletian: the Roman Nixon. The Emperor's Edict on Maximum Prices ( the original, early Fourth Century incarnation of Wage and Price Controls ) was not only a complete failure -- one result, a thriving black market in many classes of goods -- but also, as a result of the flooding of the market with debased, cheaper alloy coinage associated with said financial "reform," highly inflationary.
Diocletian, like Nixon, had some shortcomings on domestic policy. But, also like Nixon he was a giant in the field of foreign affairs.
Diocletian took a sagging empire rife with civil war, restored order, reinvigorated the military order, protected the borders and instituted a more rational form of government, dividing the empire into four self-sustaining parts.
Do not despair for America. Giants are stirring.
Indeed they are! Those oligarchic "giants" are stirring a gigantic cauldron containing the vast majority of us --- heating it gradually, so that most of us don't notice we are being boiled alive ---- and on its side, the caption "Debt Bondage" and "Neofeudalism".
The more effective and pragmatic course of action is for the productive members of society, who currently support the Beast, to spend more time milking the system to sustain their standard of living and less time being productive. That would hasten the collapse more so than simply moving away, and it would have less of an impact on one's standard of living.
I hadn't thought about that. The problem is that I have spent all of my time learning how to be productive so I don't know if I am properly qualified to navigate the bureaucracy.
been living in Costa Rica for 2 years fulltime - retired, on less than $1000/mo
of course I started this project 29 years ago, and I'm married to a Tica
I live on the Pacific overlooking the ocean, have power and landline phone (both this year); better yet no road and no immediate neighbors
you guys need to think ahead, do some long-term planning, learn several languages (give up the tube, I have never owned one, they are like school - a mental enema)
- words are cheap but whiskey costs money
1984 was written over 60 years ago, I reread it yesterday after 40 years and was horrified, the future is the present and it will become worse
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Real Americans don't run.
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stuff it, was part of the first "boat people"; I am not a chump nor a patsy, nor will I accept the role of a victim
Bill
My parents are doing the same thing as you. I don't think it will be as safe as you all think down there if the US falls apart.
Welcome the Marines yet?
http://www.truth-out.org/what-heck-are-us-marines-doing-costa-rica-obama...
dup
...Another couple of years and Zimbabwe would start to look like paradise compared to the U.S.!
*moves to somolia*
somalia even
Gordon, nice to see you around! Your Buy.Gold.Now. advice some months ago was a great call. Yes.I.Did.
Our small family has some means, and we have talked extensively about leaving (Peru, my wife was born there and we have a business there).
Unless things get REALLY REALLY BAD, we will likely stay. And do a "John Galt", just fly lower on the radar. The whole TSA thing is an ominous sign. If the USA does go down the crapper big time, I hope that we are able to time an exit correctly. Assuming Peru isn't even worse.
Moving out of the US might have been a good idea a few years ago, but now it's too late. Americans used to be welcome everywhere, but thanks to Israel-firsters in our gov't, we're now liked even less than Israelis.
Riiiiight. Your obligation is to your Facebook account.
Better the bitch you know than the bitch you don't know... this will end badly for one and all and those that think otherwise, it will end worse. Now, boys and girls, we really, really get to see who is REALLY smart... let the games begin!
Is there anyone REMAINING who has not walked away yet?
Reading these comments makes me feel like I am standing at the window of a sanitarium - Everyone thinks they are John Galt, a fictional character.
I have looked for a while too. My conclusion is stay in the states, but look for the state with the most freedoms and lowest taxes. My secret is Mississippi. Great state! Low taxes if you do things strategically. Not a lot of intrusive laws. And a lot of "rebels" in the sticks. They still have the rebel flag imbedded in the state flag! Just that little bit of defiance they wont let go of. Texas isn't bad either. I see lots of "Secede Texas" and anti government bumper stickers. Texas just has too many laws and taxes.
This is playing out in California. My home state will be an object lesson to the more recalcitrant lay-abouts. The state is broke losing business and productive people. Just wait until all the accounting tricks catch up to the budget.
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