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Simon Black Advocates Leaving America As The "Most Effective" Way To Fight The Battle With "The Mob-Installed Government Beast"
And now for some very provocative, "out of the box" views: Simon Black, better known as Sovereign Man, presents some disturbing thoughts which are sure to get the broader spirits elevated. Instead of continuing to fight what some see as a losing ideological battle with a government which no longer even remotely represents the broader population's interests, Black says simply to walk away: "When you think about it, what we call a 'country' is nothing more than a large concentration of people who share common values. Over time, those values adjust and evolve. Today, cultures in many countries value things like fake security, subordination, and ignorance over freedom, independence, and awareness. When it appears more and more each day that those common values diverge from your own, all that's left of a country are irrelevant, invisible lines on a map. I don't find these worth fighting for...The government beast in your home country feeds on debt and taxes, and the best way to win is for bright, productive people to move away with their ideas, labor, and assets. This effectively starves the beast and accelerates its collapse. Then, when the smoke clears, you can move back and help rebuild a free society." Perhaps Black is right and this is the best, and possibly only, non-violent way to fight the political-financial plutocracy?
From Sovereign Man
Tell me if you think it's worth fighting for
Date: November 29, 2010
Reporting From: Katoomba, New South Wales, Australia
In 43 BC, over 2,000 years ago, warring consuls Antony, Lepidus, and Octavian were duking it out with each other over control of Rome following Julius Caesar's assassination the prior March.
Each had legions at his disposal, and Rome's terrified Senate sat on its hands waiting for the outcome.
Ultimately, the three men chose to unite their powers and rule Rome together in what became known as the Second Triumvirate. This body was established by a law named lex Titia on this date (give or take depending on how you convert the Roman calendar) in 43 BC.
The foundation of the Second Triumvirate is of tremendous historical importance: as the group wielded dictatorial powers, it represents the final nail in the coffin in Rome's transition from republic to malignant autocracy.
The Second Triumvirate expired after 10-years, upon which Octavian waged war on his partners once again, resulting in Mark Antony's famed suicide with Cleopatra in 31 BC. Octavian was eventually rewarded with rich title and nearly supreme power, and he is generally regarded as Rome's first emperor.
Things only got worse from there. Tiberius, Octavian's successor, was a paranoid deviant with a lust for executions. He spent the last decade of his reign completely detached from Rome, living in Capri.
Following Tiberius was Caligula, infamous for his moral depravity and insanity. According to Roman historians Suetonius and Cassius Dio, Tiberius would send his legions on pointless marches and turned his palace into a bordello of such repute that it inspired the 1979 porno film named for him.
Caligula was followed by Claudius, a stammering, slobbering, confused man as described by his contemporaries. Then there was Nero, who not only managed to burn down his city but was also the first emperor to debase the value of Rome's currency.
You know the rest of the story-- Romans watched their leadership and country get worse and worse.
All along the way, there were two types of people: the first group were folks that figured, "This has GOT to be the bottom, it can only get better from here." Their patriotism was rewarded with reduced civil liberties, higher taxes, insane despots, and a polluted currency.
The other group consisted of people who looked at the warning signs and thought, "I have to get out of here." They followed their instincts and moved on to other places where they could build their lives, survive, and prosper.
I'm raising this point because I'd like to open a debate. Some consider the latter idea of expatriating to be akin to 'running away.' I recall a rather impassioned comment from a reader last week who suggested that "leaving, i.e. running away, is certainly not the proper response."
I find this logic to be flawed.
While the notion of staying and 'fighting' is a noble idea, bear in mind that there is no real enemy or force to fight. The government is a faceless bureaucracy that's impossible attack. People who try only discredit their argument because they become marginalized as fringe lunatics.
Remember John Stack? He's the guy who flew his airplane into the IRS building in Austin, Texas earlier this year because he had a serious philosophical disagreement over tax issues.
While his ideas may have had intellectual merit, they were immediately dismissed due to his murderous tactics. Violence is rarely the answer, and it often has the opposite effect as intended, frequently serving to bolster support for the government instead of raising awareness of its shortcomings.
Unless/until government paramilitaries start duking it out with citizen militia groups in the streets, this is an ideological battle... and it's an uphill battle at best.
Government controlled educational systems institutionalize us from childhood that governments are just, and that we should all subordinate ourselves to authority and to the greater good that they dictate in their sole discretion.
You're dealing with a mob mentality, plain and simple. Do you want to waste limited resources (time, money, energy) trying to convince your neighbor that s/he should no not expect free money from the government?
You could spend a lifetime trying to change ideology and not make a dent; people have to choose for themselves to wake up, it cannot be forced upon them. And until that happens, they're going to keep asking for more security and more control because it's the way their values have been programmed.
When you think about it, what we call a 'country' is nothing more than a large concentration of people who share common values. Over time, those values adjust and evolve. Today, cultures in many countries value things like fake security, subordination, and ignorance over freedom, independence, and awareness.
When it appears more and more each day that those common values diverge from your own, all that's left of a country are irrelevant, invisible lines on a map. I don't find these worth fighting for.
Nobody is born with a mandatory obligation to invisible lines on a map. Our fundamental obligation is to ourselves, our families, and the people that we choose to let into our circles... not to a piece of dirt that's controlled by mob-installed bureaucrats.
Moving away, i.e. making a calculated decision to seek greener pastures elsewhere, is not the same as 'running away'... and I would argue that if you really want to affect change in your home country, moving away is the most effective course of action.
The government beast in your home country feeds on debt and taxes, and the best way to win is for bright, productive people to move away with their ideas, labor, and assets. This effectively starves the beast and accelerates its collapse. Then, when the smoke clears, you can move back and help rebuild a free society.
I'd really like to know what you think-- which is the right thing to do, stay or leave? What are you planning to do?
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Good luck with all of that shit guys.... Im staying right here. Life here in the USA is pretty fucking good for me, could it be better?... sure...but this aint fucking India either...like I said, good luck.... youre gonna need it, wherever you go
Mr. Lebowski,
Life in India is much better than USA in sectors- here is a breakdown ( I am informing not defending)- I do live in Silicon Valley so...
1) If you are really poor India is terrible compared to any Western country. We are well aware of that. God was not merciful to you.
2) If you are lower to upper middle class and you have a good education- India beats any country I can think of for starting and changing jobs- a helluva lot of mobility. Let me clarify- An average Indian engineer can have 10 offers on graduation and switch jobs every 18months without fear. Its a great job market. Simply like America in dotcom era. Salaries are fairly good. Now if you do get a a comparable job in the USA and hang-on , sure USA is better. But INdia offers job mobility and choices (lower overall pay).
3) IF you are really rich there is no estate or dividend tax in India. But there are other countries that beat US and INdia for Tax havens.
All in all USA is still way ahead if things are going good for you, but a terrible place if fate is not on your sides. There are more and more cracks.
So for unemployed Americans with skills and unemployed new graduates some Indian cities are a great choice, now I didn't say quit your job at 3M, Intel, or Goldman Sachs and move to India.
I went xpat to New Zealand 4 years ago, with my wife and kids. Best thing I ever did, but also one of the most difficult. The US looks much different from the outside than it did while living there. Love NZ, though like any country, some areas are better than others. Some differences vs. the US: no capital gains tax (including on gold), no inheritance tax, simple tax code (4 page tax return max), low property taxes, firearms are legal (with a permit), public health system with an optional parallel private system, high degree of freedom and personal liberty, prostitution and gambling are both legal, very little censorship in the media, low population density outside of the cities (4M people total; only 1M on the whole south island), simple but effective legal system (4 page contract to buy a house; no huge sums awarded in court settlements), police are actually friendly and helpful -- not to mention the awesome beauty and clean air and water.
To those who think leaving the US is running away from something: I see it as running toward freedom. Most Americans have immigrant ancestors, who left their homeland in the hope of leading a better life in a land of freedom and opportunity. The same motivations, reasons and morality exist today.
Applause!
The "government beast" is the greatest empire the world has ever known. A partnership between the soverign power of the state and corporations. It isn't really a question of if you want to be free or live in service, in some sense, to the empire because what you want is not relevant.
Lotta good comments today!
I liked Yes we can, but... saying that Frank Davis is Barak Obama's real Dad. Could be. Personally, I much prefer the Malcolm-X theory. Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5QD_6UtfFo
I like the "internal exile" posts. Those folks have found something that works for them, and they may well let things blow over, if they are inconvenient to bother. I sold the house and took my wife and 4 teenage kids bike touring and backpacking around the world for 9 months in 2005-2006. I looked at Ireland, Australia and interviewed for a job (they wanted me) on the South Island of New Zealand. It would have been a one-way trip. They don't pay much there in the licensed professions. The shit didn't hit the fan so we came back to Texas.
What about Alaska? What about Michigan's Upper Peninsula? What about the Big Island (Hawaii)?
It seems that you don't want to be in a big city when the electricity goes out for a year, but there are lots of other options. they all require you to be a valuable and contributing member of a small community, where the weather isn't too bad, the farmland is good, and the rain is reliable enough that you don't need to pump water.
I've found mine. I've worked there 2-3 months each of the past 3 years. I've got a contract for 2012 that pays my expenses (assuming a lot, I know). No matter how bad things get in Kapa'au, it will always be in the best interests of the people there to cooperate, never to eat their neighbors. They are already in the habit of cooperating as the natural conditon of their community. A couple of decades ago, everybody was employed on the same sugar plantation. Lotta' gardens. The old people still eat out of them. Lotta' fruit trees everywhere dropping fruit to rot.
This tool a long time to find, and I have lived as an expat, too. Those were the good old days. Things are going to be different when the ships don't bring things any more.
Like lifeboats on the Titanic, there may not be enough space for all the people who want to bug out. The world is not exactly waiting with open arms for an onslaught of Americans.
It might be hard to accept, but many non-Americans see the USG as the lesser of the evils that lurk within the borders of the USA. Many see a group of obese, pampered, creationists, with a victim mentality, woefully uninformed, grossly overestimating their own intelligence, gun-toting, conspiracy believing, peel my PM's out of my cold dead hands types, certain of their belief in the One True Faith and damning to eternal damnation anyone who does not accept their All Loving Lord and Savior, and of the view that no argument is too small that it cannot be solved by violence.
Right or wrong, that is what one has to overcome. Best of luck to those who decide to make the move.
"Remember John Stack? He's the guy who flew his airplane into the IRS building in Austin, Texas earlier this year because he had a serious philosophical disagreement over tax issues."
Apparently I remember him a bit more than the author, as his name was JOE Stack, not John.
As to the point of the piece, truly, there are very few pieces of land left on this planet where someone else won't presume they have authority over you. All that's left is to either hide out in the woods (my plan), cure people of their mental sickness a.k.a. pro-state, pro-civilization programming (nearly impossible and will make you want to beat your own skull in), or start setting fires and taking scalps (wake me when the fun starts.)
Me, not being rich, I plan to stay put. Hunker in my bunker.
Rice, beans, guns.
Plywood on the windows.
Yes, take your money out of banks while it still has some purchasing power and get thee to Walmart, where the essentials of survival are still (almost) free.
This reminds me of the outer space solution to the next doomsday: our "space brothers" will descend in color-coded motherships to rescue the chosen and take them away to safety. However, your trip will be limited to one suitcase and no pets.
When I heard that, I said, "I'm not going anywhere."
I have the same attitude now. This is my home, my house and land, my belongings, and I'm not giving them up without a fight.
The latest from the Sovereign Society.
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LOL... hell no its not worth fighting for amigo... its shit, it will remain shit and until it fails, it wont be able to be fixed..... and it aint gonna happen in YOUR lifetime either -probably.
Everyone here has had since, at least, 1999-2000 to prepare for this coming shitstorm, if you're not sufficiently prepared with however you decide to deal with it, well then, it SUCKS to be you. Shouldve turned off the TV sooner.
This is going to be a long, nasty depression....expect at least 50yrs of it to eliminate the horrendous debt overhang weve allowed to blossom.
Find something other than money and possessions that will make you happy, because it aint gonna be either of those two things used as a metric for tomorrows success.
I left the USandA six years ago and moved to Brasil. At the time it was a bit frightning. New language, new culture, new climate, new food and no use at all for my suits, Italian shoes and Versace ties. I had traveled extensively, however, and always found these challenges to be only part of the adventure. After six years in Brasil, I am much happier and healthier than ever. And that is all that really matters in this life.
For those concerned about losing a "lifestyle", life in most places outside the US costs less and allows for an equal or better lifestyle at a lower cost and lower stress. In fact, spending the same for rent here as I did in Seattle, I live a half block off Ipanema Beach with a huge patio and pool, and a partial view of the Atlantic in a safe neighborhood where I have no need for a car (huge savings). However, since the Dollar Decimator Helicopter Kamikaze, aka The Bernank, began his evil pillage of my homeland costs here have nearly doubled for anyone living on a Dollar income. Still, it is a better lifestyle.
I am a permanat resident of Brasil, but not a citizen. I still vote in the US and buy whatever I can through Amazon and friends and family bring supplies of everything that costs more here when they visit, which is often too often. So, in that way, I get the best of both worlds.
Regarding "Not one word about a connection to the land of their birth. What caused this unnatural disaffection, this loss of soul?", the United States has only been the birthplace of a mere handful of generations. Unless you are a Native American Indian, nearly every US citizen is able to trace their heritage to some foreign land, in my case my grandparents immigrated to the US from Norway. So what? A birthplace is a birthplace, I wasn't crowned in the US, I was only born there. I have always been taxed for living there, not honored in any way but only treated like another "income unit" for the State. My soul is mine, it goes with me wherever I go and I listen to it. It likes Brasil.
I just dream about a place where we are left alone. I love your "income unit" phrase. I am going to plagiarize that, lol. I reallly believe that left alone people are not only happier but more productive, more charitable and solve their own problems...the problems that are sustained by gov't programs.
I'd move except I don't have enough saved or enough of an income stream to live. Maybe if I save enough PM's I can haul them to another country and live well (enough) for the rest of my life. I just don't want to play the collectivist game anymore. It's even infected business. Government treats us an "income units" and business treats us as "expense items" not assets. Live well in Brazil, my friend. I hear the beaches and women are hot.
I just dream about a place where we are left alone. I love your "income unit" phrase. I am going to plagiarize that, lol. I reallly believe that left alone people are not only happier but more productive, more charitable and solve their own problems...the problems that are sustained by gov't programs.
I'd move except I don't have enough saved or enough of an income stream to live. Maybe if I save enough PM's I can haul them to another country and live well (enough) for the rest of my life. I just don't want to play the collectivist game anymore. It's even infected business. Government treats us an "income units" and business treats us as "expense items" not assets. Live well in Brazil, my friend. I hear the beaches and women are hot.