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Skyscrapers vs Earthquake: The Benefits Of Reinforced Concrete

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Skyscrapers made in Japan:

Skyscraper being made in Taiwan:

Read all about the various earthquake mitigation strategies for skyscrapers here.

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Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:34 | 1040737 Hedgetard55
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Luk 21:10 Then He said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
Luk 21:11 "And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.
Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:39 | 1040766 InconvenientCou...
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"...and a great chariot will blaze across they sky and plunge into the sea." And the pious will be tempted by three card monte.

From God's mouth to my ears, there has never been a more certain set of prophecies, as famine earthquakes and pestilence.

I added the part about my favorite scam.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:50 | 1041995 flacorps
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1. North Korea is a very hard target, dug in so deep in some places that a hydrogen bomb wouldn't even be heard down there.

2. Lockheed Martin wants the next manned space program to go not to the moon or Mars, but to an asteroid. It's called the Plymouth Rock project.

3. Listed among the reasons to go is so that we can learn to steer them. Ostensibly away, but of course what can be steered away can also be steered TOWARD.

4. Revelations has something like a burning mountain coming out of the sky. Pretty graphic for 2,000 years ago, when nobody knew from re-entry.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 20:46 | 1042916 mophead
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Great, yet another make work project. Let's pretend we're trying to defend the earth from asteroids. And yet another racket is born.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:41 | 1040777 Jason T
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Nibiru??  Stuff interrelates.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:58 | 1040848 Spalding_Smailes
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BEEBE, Ark. — Preliminary autopsies on 17 of the up to 5,000 blackbirds that fell on this town indicate they died of blunt trauma to their organs, the state's top veterinarian told NBC News on Monday. Their stomachs were empty, which rules out poison, Dr. George Badley said, and they died in midair, not on impact with the ground.

Dead Birds Fall From Sky In Sweden, Millions Of Dead Fish Found In Maryland, Brazil, New Zealand

UPDATE: Hundreds and possibly thousands ofdead birds have reportedly fallen from the sky in Italy.


UPDATE: Wildlife officials say that even more previously unreported dead birds were found in Kentucky last week.

Millions of dead fish surfaced in Maryland's Chesapeake Bay in the U.S., Tuesday, while similar unexplained mass fish deaths occurred across the world in Brazil and New Zealand. On Wednesday, 50 birds were found dead on a street in Sweden. The news come after recents reports ofmysterious massive bird and fish deaths days prior in Arkansas and Louisiana.

The Baltimore Sun reports that an estimated 2 million fish were found dead in the Chesapeake Bay, mostly adult spot with some juvenile croakers in the mix, as well. Maryland Department of the Environment spokesperson Dawn Stoltzfus says "cold-water stress" is believed to be the culprit. 

ParanaOnline reports that 100 tons of sardines, croaker and catfish have washed up in Brazilian fishing towns since last Thursday. The cause of the deaths is unknown, with an imbalance in the environment, chemical pollution, or accidental release from a fishing boat all suggested by local officials.

In New Zealand, hundreds of dead snapper fish washed up on Coromandel Peninsula beaches, many found with their eyes missing, The New Zealand Herald reports. A Department of Conservation official allegedly claims the fish were starving due to weather conditions.



Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:55 | 1040851 joker78160
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whoever flagged this as junk should be ashamed of themselves.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:13 | 1040922 Spalding_Smailes
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Might be the liberal scum who love the moral decay of the world. 

Abortion rights / killings √

Massive Drug use - Substance abuse √

Destruction of the family model √

No more black and white - right and wrong √

No moral code / compass √

Greed √


Ect, ect, ect ....


Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:18 | 1040979 Crummy
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Or, it might be Satan himself eating fetuses and typing away on his computer.

Let's keep this rational for now, at least till the sound of angels trumpets buzz in your ears.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:25 | 1041002 Spalding_Smailes
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Look at the USA and what she has become ....

12-14 year old girls walking around dresses like prostitutes ... Maybe if the divorce rate was not so high and everyone was not worried about keeping up with the joneses , all the pill popping drug use behind closed doors they would be bringing up a nice family, doing what's right .... ?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:53 | 1041231 Arthor Bearing
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The word you're looking for is nihilism. Rather than impotently pointing out problems (speaking generally, I'm not saying that's what you're doing), we should be developing a model for our world which is worth an intelligent person's sincere faith and belief. Defeat nihilism with a great leap forward of human thinking! This will be the new beginning which stems from the coming end

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 21:18 | 1043007 StychoKiller
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But, thinking is hard work!  Who needs thinking when there's "free" bread and circuses?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:06 | 1041644 IQ 145
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 Hey lighten up; what have you got against 12 year old hotties ? --"doing what's right--" my ass; nothing but hypocrisy.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:26 | 1041737 Bananamerican
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Smailes, I'm a Lutheran but i will junk you on sight until you repent your dumbshit, right-wing partisan ways, ya fuckin' kook!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:37 | 1042194 Pool Shark
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Turn the other cheek much?


Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:15 | 1042106 Non Passaran
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Everyone is free to become whatever they want as long as they don't violate rights of others.

And by the way, I'm junking you for this copy-and-paste garbage content. I've seen a message with the same content few days ago and it was worthless and annoying then just as it is now.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:30 | 1041064 Dr. Porkchop
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Perhaps we should look to the Christian right for guidance...or wait...Why is it that the so called moral religious leaders are always the ones getting caught doing meth and diddling little boys? They're all on the take, just like the fucking bankers...and they're all full of shit.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:59 | 1041229 Spalding_Smailes
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Always said the Catholic Church was a den of vipers / scum ......

The New Testament / Jesus teachings are not the church, they stand on their own. Can't find one bad word. He hated debt, stealing, killing, lying, coveting, fighting - said turn the other cheek. 

Love thy neighbor as thy self. 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:06 | 1041650 IQ 145
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 My neighbor is an asshat; and so are you. Don't tell me what to do. Mind your own sanctimonius little business.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:18 | 1042121 Non Passaran
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Hell's angel of virtue.

He isn't virtuous himself, but he likes to force virtue upon others.


Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:15 | 1041687 andybev01
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"They say 'love thy neighbor as thy self' , what am I supposed to do jerk him off too ?"


-Rodney Dangerfield

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:30 | 1041744 Bananamerican
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yea, unless he's a "Liiberrruhlll"

-S. Smailess

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:58 | 1041252 Hugh_Jorgan
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In my opinion we must look to the teachings of Christ and take the responsibility to FIX OURSELVES! Don't look at the Church, the Government, Hollywood, etc. They are all just creations of broken-a$$ hypocritical human beings like you and me. It is time for each of us to LOOK IN THE MIRROR.

If we all approached life this way, instead of expecting Obama, the Christian right, Ron Paul or anyone else to solve our problems FOR US, we could make a big difference. We can't point our lazy finger at all the corrupt people and use them as the excuse for why we won't self-examine and do the hard work to reject the things in our lives that are killing us. Of course it isn't easy, nothing good is. It's also the only way out of this mess.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:00 | 1041287 Spalding_Smailes
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Perfectly said.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 21:21 | 1043012 StychoKiller
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Whoa!  A Borg that refuses to be assimilated!  Well said. :>D

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:40 | 1041143 morph
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What is wrong with drugs? Jesus clearly used them.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:06 | 1041647 malek
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Very telling you left out

torture √√

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:38 | 1041116 Martin Silenus
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The comments here at ZH are generally intelligent, insightful, and witty.  Please don't tell people what they should or shouldn't think of themselves, thanks.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:54 | 1041235 Spalding_Smailes
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O.K, enjoy the moral decay. The world is filled with it ....

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:07 | 1041315 Arthor Bearing
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You're failing to recognize that the old moral order is no longer relevant, and a new morality is necessary. You're about 150 years behind the progress of moral philosophy, pick it up

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:13 | 1041342 Spalding_Smailes
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Progress ? Says who ....

A new morality involves what, not sure you can call it moral then. I think thats called the new grey area no more black and white.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:26 | 1041428 I am a Man I am...
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you clearly do not have tiger blood and a puma mind

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 04:08 | 1043626 zhandax
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The comments here at ZH are generally intelligent, insightful, and witty.

That's for the topics the trolls don't care about.  When the smailes kid, or the wanger brothers, or a few other annoyances show up; this is fight club, after all.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 21:24 | 1043015 StychoKiller
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You cannot give Govt. Officials any rights that you do not have yourself.

Virtue can only exist when there is FREE choice.

Evil does not arise only from evil people, but also from good people who tolerate the initiation of force as a means to their own ends.  In this manner, good people have empowered evil throughout History.

Using governmental force to impose a vision on others is intellectual sloth and typically results in unintended, perverse consequences.

Achieving a Free Society requires courage to think, to talk, and to act -- especially when it's easier to do nothing.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:07 | 1041657 IQ 145
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 Yeah, and I love it; Too bad your sexually inadequate.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:10 | 1041667 IQ 145
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 Everyone of these "christian" moral do-gooders wants to bang their version of moral relativity over your head like a steel bucket that doesn't fit, and then chain it on there. And they can't understand why people don't want to listen to it.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 21:26 | 1043019 StychoKiller
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They forget that Men have free will for a reason.  The Christian God wants volunteers, NOT slaves!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:53 | 1041583 Martin Silenus
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The comments here at ZH are generally intelligent, insightful, and witty.  Please don't tell people what they should or shouldn't think of themselves, thanks.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:05 | 1040896 cahadjis
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A euro for every time someone predicted the end of the world based on earthquakes and floods.... i'd be rich!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:09 | 1040921 cahadjis
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A euro for every time someone predicted the end of the world based on earthquakes and floods.... i'd be rich!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:30 | 1041055 strannick
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Except that you'd have Euros

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:30 | 1041061 strannick
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except that you'd have Euros..

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:39 | 1041498 Been Jammin Bur...
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I'll take a swiss franc...

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:59 | 1041281 jimijon
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Like I said in another post... saw a billboard just last night about

May 21, 2011 as being judgement day.

Freaked me out a bit this morning.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:35 | 1040739 InconvenientCou...
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you want to inspire your gel-headed progeny to study math? show'em this.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:17 | 1040930 Oh regional Indian
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Actually incon, it's brute force engineering, plain and simple.

Just like in aircraft, if you raise the factor of saftey by an order of magnitude in any design, it will stay mostly safe.

Then there is just mega-engineering, lego style. All the rollers and as it turns out, super-heavy-duty Velcro in the foundation, allowing a lot of sway.

Then, as any visitor to japan knows in three minutes, the walls are thin like paper. The buildings are super-light, because their interiors are wafer-paper-thin.

Much to their credit, is fastidiousness and following rules. Look at the Kobe bridge as an example and how it survived that quake.

No rocket science to their standing success. Trouble is, we've got slow temblors coming, that will torque buildings in ways never imagined.

If I was a high-riser anywhere in the world today, I'd be looking down, lower. Fast.



Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:08 | 1041877 geekgrrl
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Yes, this will definitely stress skyscrapers in unimagined ways. But in no event do I expect to see a single one collapse into it's footprint at free-fall speed.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:27 | 1041881 Flakmeister
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  You missed some fun below....

Edit: whoops....meant another thread dealing with GW

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:36 | 1040747 akak
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Of course earthquakes cannot bring down a modern skyscraper!

For that, you need a handful of Islamic radicals, box cutters, and a mysterious military standdown.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:37 | 1040753 skohiu
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@akak.....forgot thermite

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:02 | 1040877 traderjoe
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Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:17 | 1040976 Eager learner
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Speaking of thermite (or thermate).

Well worth a watch: 9/11 Experiments: The Great Thermate Debate

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:01 | 1041290 Roger O. Thornhill
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Hmmm...  First video I've seen that was actually interesting on the pros and cons of that heated (bitter) debate, and not some didactic rant one way or the other.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:43 | 1040783 Flakmeister
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My take on that shit was that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld were desirious of an incident to move on Iraq (you, know, the oil thing). They knew something was up, but didn't know the exact plan. Maybe a simple series of planes being hijacked. Well, they got more than they bargained for and there was information in Tower 7, aka Langley North that had to disappear...

Just an application of Occam's Razor with a sprinkling of incompetence...

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:44 | 1040792 akak
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I tend to concur.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:55 | 1040844 Flakmeister
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  The real funny thing about Iraq, is that I was in the minority in supporting it (assuming they would'nt fuck it up so bad but that is another story). The rationale came from a game theory perspective, you play to win, and Iraq was the winning move, assuming you could pull it off... We all but gave up our claim to moral ascendancy along time ago, this is realpolitik. Moreover, Saddam had a long track record of being a meglomanic, from game theory, you can't let him control and influence the worlds alpha asset.

Lest anyone conclude otherwise, Cheney is an evil prick, Bush a fool and Rumsfeld, a weasel. They made the right move, that's all.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:09 | 1040888 akak
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Lest anyone conclude otherwise, Cheney is an evil prick, Bush a fool and Rumsfeld, a weasel. They made the right move, that's all.

They made the RIGHT move??  Are you serious?  Just what was "right" about an immoral, illegal, aggressive, unprovoked, financially ruinous invasion of another nation?

If you wanted to use Saddam's status as a megalomaniac dictator to justify a shameful and grievously damaging and unnecessary invasion of another nation, the world did not and does not lack many such despots just waiting to be deposed.  I notice that the USA did not invade Zimbabwe, North Korea, Libya or Cuba under any similar pretext.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:24 | 1041024 snakeboat
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C'mon now, Zimbabwe, North Korea, Libya and Cuba don't have the quantity of oil that Iraq does...

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:08 | 1041323 Biff Malibu
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As I said before, I talked to an Iraqi woman that fled the country.  She stated things are MUCH WORSE now after we invaded.  Now the militias control everything.  You never know who's going to disappear.  At least with Saddam they had ORDER...

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:10 | 1041666 malek
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So what?
I'm still waiting for the first Iraqi (or other) to state they should have reinstated Saddam when they found him, instead of sentencing him to death.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:21 | 1041713 Flakmeister
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You never replied..... bad form.


Fri, 03/11/2011 - 20:42 | 1042901 malek
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I don't check on my old posts every day...

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:07 | 1040900 akak
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dup post

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:13 | 1040939 Flakmeister
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On a moral basis, it was wrong.

But let's not be naive about the games world leader play... I was only arguing from a game theory perspective.. Cold, hard, detached...

Was Churchill wrong to let Coventry get the crapped bombed out of it because there was good reason to believe that Enigma would have been compromised. The world is fraught with moral dilemmas.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:27 | 1041035 akak
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Sorry, I do not see the "moral dilemma" in refraining from unnecessarily invading another nation at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:35 | 1041109 Flakmeister
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  That was the outcome, as I said it was fucked up because they didn't think it through. They gambled on doing on the cheap and it blewup in their face.


A Gedenkan: Iraq is not invaded, and Saddam (or successor) is eventually toppled by a Shia insurrection with Iranian fingerprints all over it. Someone does something stupid and we get a redux of the Iran-Iraq war with uprisings in Kuiwait and SA, 12 mm bpd goes offline, Hormuz is closed and someone else does something stupid and it spirals out of control... Yeah, its a reach, but not much of one. 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:43 | 1041168 akak
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I see strong evidence of sociopathic tendencies in one of my neighbor's children (chronic lying, torturing of animals, etc.), and suspect that he may one day grow up to be the next Hitler or Pol Pot.  Am I thereby justified in killing him today?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:58 | 1041220 Flakmeister
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A strawman...

But if that was indeed the case, I would certainly keep my eye on this child. 

Edit: not a strawman, but a faulty analogy

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:09 | 1041330 Biff Malibu
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does he also wet the bed until a late age, start fires, along with torturing of small animals?  the triad of a serial killer!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:47 | 1041985 I only kill chi...
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Especially when it got rid of Iran's biggest enemy. How many wars

did Iraq vs Iran occur.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:23 | 1041009 trav7777
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i concurred.

I argued with a date that Gore would have invaded was the appropriate "move."

I also bet money that no WMD would be found because it was obvious to me that there were none

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:13 | 1041680 malek
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Now that's hilarious. On what pretext would Gore have invaded?
I mean the first question is what Gore would have done after 9/11... I believe pretty much nothing, military wise.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:04 | 1042059 trav7777
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same pretext.

The invasion was the "appropiate" geostrategic maneuver

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 20:42 | 1042898 malek
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Sorry, my razor (Occam type) just broke in two. I mean you can really always make something up as you go...

I can imagine a few things, like gas reaching 8$ per gallon (as in Europe now) at the end of the first term of a POTUS Gore. Or calling someone "black" becoming a felony punishable by a 1 year prison term. Or a few other things... but saying he would have also invaded Iraq is just ri-di-cu-lous.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 20:28 | 1042855 Diogenes
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He would have done what he was told, same as Bush.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:14 | 1041678 IQ 145
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 THE RIGHT MOVE. Wow. you are really are a certifiable idiot; aside from being a kool-aid drinking global warming cult member. Jesus, you couldn't think straight if your life depended on it.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:35 | 1041780 Flakmeister
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From a realpolitik and game theory perspective, it was the only move.

Are you so naive as to believe that this isn't a game? And you tell me to lay off the kool-aid?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:57 | 1041857 Flakmeister
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Ahh... this explains a lot... You cannot detach yourself emotionally from an issue, hence your denial of peak oil and global warming.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:05 | 1042063 trav7777
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I could suffer that but not his earlier misuse of "your" instead of "you're."

The 145 must've been an internet test

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:43 | 1042216 Flakmeister
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Actually, the 145 is in octal....

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:55 | 1040839 Pseudo Anonym
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Of course earthquakes cannot bring down a modern skyscraper

well, they can, but certainly they cannot collapse 3 skyscrapers, standing side by side, into their  own footprint. That only takes dumbo Amerikans believe that.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:02 | 1040879 RichardENixon
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Learn the English language before you post on here, dickbreath.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:59 | 1040863 jus_lite_reading
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HOLY CRAP! TWO VOLCANOES in Russia went off! 140 people dead so far! Breaking news!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:08 | 1040917 RmcAZ
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Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:24 | 1041011 Eager learner
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2nd'ed. Nothing on RT homepage.

There is this: Two volcanoes erupt in Russia’s Far East  - dated feb 7th 2011

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:24 | 1041403 Flakmeister
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Don;t know about the fatalities, but

does report recent activity in Kamchatka

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:36 | 1040749 strannick
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'Shake it baby, you wont break it'.


Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:37 | 1040752 Azannoth
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Al'Queda will never attack Tokyo ;) (with planes)

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:44 | 1040790 JW n FL
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Give Japan an Army.. and they will give the U.S., China as a gift.. How many times has Japan RULED China?

and as for the Sand Box Radicals? they have nothing to scare Japan with.. Nothing.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:17 | 1040971 Cash_is_Trash
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There's a STRATFOR video where, Smith says that Japan will have a resurgence albeit an unwilling one.

Japan is the shit! Anybody whose been there can see the industrial strength and power of their economy.

If they had the land Brazil or Mexico does, they would be fucking unstoppable.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:38 | 1040754 Gert_B_Frobe
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Those were man made earthquakes caused by HAARP. Or was it thermite paint placed on the ocean floor. Quick, someone get Jesse Ventura on the line, stat!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:39 | 1040764 Leo Kolivakis
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I was in Athens at the top of the Holiday Inn tanning by the pool when the earthquake hit in 1999. It registered 6.0 but that was one of the scariest 45 seconds of my life. Will never forget how the hotel swung and all the car alarms and panic that ensued. We are nothing vs. Mother Nature's fury!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:44 | 1040795 Flakmeister
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 I was Seattle, 5th story or so, when a fairly big one hit ~100 miles away in the Cascades. Not bad shaking, but it certainly was disconcerting...

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:33 | 1041470 Kyle Reese
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I felt that quake in I think 2001. I was couple hundred miles east in Ellensburg, WA and we evacuated the University. Shook my classroom a little.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:58 | 1041608 Eternal Student
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Heh. You folks are all wimps. Living in Earthquake country, I don't even get out of bed unless it's at least a 6.0. Anything less isn't worth the effort.

Here's a true, and hopefully amusing, story.

Had a Math prof once, who had just moved out to California. He was sitting in his 3rd floor office in one of the Science buildings when an Earthquake hit. I think it was 5.8 or so. He looked up at his bookshelves and thought he was going to die.

The quake stopped, and he was fine. So his next thought was "what do I do now?". Then he heard the sound of lots of footsteps in the hallway. Everyone was headed towards the stairs, so he thought that it must be time to evacuate the building. So he got up, and joined the herd going down the hallway.

Went down the stairs, to the next level, and the next, and finally got to the ground floor.

But instead of turning right to go out the doors, everyone turned left! So he followed, on the assumption that these Californians knew what they were doing.

They did. They went down the hallway and stopped at the Seismograph to see how big the Earthquake was! :)

That's when he knew he was definitely in California.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:04 | 1041641 Flakmeister
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Yeah... you can get used to stuff... I used to go outside when the Tornado sirens were going in Illinois, never got a real good view of a funnel though.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:03 | 1041634 Flakmeister
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Yep, 2001 sounds right, I was attending a workshop at UW at the time.... Is that great seafood takeout place still around (Ivars??)

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:38 | 1069045 Kyle Reese
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I don't go there but it's still around.  I am a fish snob.  They do have a great chowder.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:39 | 1040768 Doode
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Mind boggling. TV shows flooding, carnage, yet all buildings are intact (that were not swept by the tsunami) and power is on, window glass is fine. Looks like they can just scrape all the dirt tomorrow and move on with their business. So much respect for the Japanese! I am amazed!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:43 | 1040786 Azannoth
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Contrast that with the 4th world nation of Haiti, and all the 'black people' inhabiting it and than contrast that with the skin color of POTUS (yes I know I am being racistic)

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:48 | 1040814 Doode
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Read the Bell Curve book if you have not already, or check up on the wikipedia for a short summary. It explains the difference very well. Nothing racist about it - it is all in genetics.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:55 | 1040846 Azannoth
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The blacks are only behaving(commiting 'only' 50% of all crime) because they are in the minority just wait till they start dominating demographically Western countries in like 20-30 years, and if your a 'genetics don't matter' liberal than answer this question would you ever let your underaged daughter out on the town in ANY black country alone after it's dark ?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:06 | 1040903 Rusty Shorts
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HAHAHAAA, you are sadly mistaken ... West Africa is safer than most American cities, had the time of my life there.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:25 | 1041030 trav7777
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this is like claiming Rio is safe because I didn't feel threatened in Copacabana.

The data does not corroborate your claim, which is false.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:34 | 1041086 Rusty Shorts
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Wrong, I have travelled to West Africa many times, it's safer than the US. I always get a kick out the CIA facts about 3rd world countries.


Here, enjoy a video compilation of some of my travels.


BTW, stay away from Rio.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:37 | 1041110 trav7777
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the data simply does not corroborate your statements; got it?

And you are by no means the first person who has made this error.

Stay away from Rio?  WHY?  It's so nice and it seemed safer than Baltimore.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:42 | 1041159 Rusty Shorts
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What data are you speaking of Trav? CIA fact check?

I'm guessing you're going to bring up Ivory Coast, good, cause the protest you see on Tee Vee and the Interwebs is STAGED lets see the data.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:12 | 1042098 trav7777
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you have already denied the data ab initio...

nevermind that it was YOUR claim that W Africa was safer than the USA, and the onus would be upon you to demonstrate that with evidence beyond your laughable anecdotes.

I countered with my own anecdotes, demonstrating the absurdity of making such an anecdotal claim, but you remain undeterred.

The data comes from the UN and is available on wiki if you want to look.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:18 | 1040914 Rusty Shorts
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ooh, and the college girls can't seem to get enough of the night life in West Africaaaaa

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:16 | 1040954 SPONGE
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You should travel more. "Most" third world countries are much safer than the US.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:37 | 1041128 trav7777
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no; they aren't.

There are 3rd world cities and countries which are safer than some US cities with high percent black populations, such as Detroit, NO, eSTL or Baltimore.

But then these cities aren't remotely comparable to the low crime rates in places such as SLC or Boise or other melanin-devoid population centers.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:57 | 1041266 Azannoth
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Think Sweden 20-30 years ago when there where no immigrants there, crime rate was negligible, you could park your bicycle on the street(no chain) and find it there a week later

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:07 | 1041649 Been Jammin Bur...
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Poorer countries have much higher population density.  The idea of "everyone is special" does not exist - there's a lot less value placed on human life, and personal property when everyone's packt like sardines in a crush'd tin box.  Living in that kind of environment where people are stacked on top of each other, you grow up fighting for survival and getting what you can, when you can.  Then they migrate to a first-world nation that isn't crowded, and has plenty of everything and it's tough to adapt to the relaxed mindset that comes with relative comfort and convenience.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:17 | 1042113 trav7777
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are you stupid?

because, according to your thesis, Dakka and Mumbai would have the highest rates of homicide in the world, by far, yet they do not.

India has utterly massive slums, the largest in asia, with population densities that are utterly mindboggling, yet no vast homicide rate to go with them.

To be perfectly blunt, if you want to assess rates of violent crime and homicide, you need to primarily check percent black population and secondarily percent hispanic population, as these two groups tend to contribute 85-90% of these types of crimes.

Also, you might want to check on Japan's density...seriously, I don't know how you could make the claims you just made as they don't even stand up to even a passing scrutiny.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 21:38 | 1043045 mophead
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Actually, it has to do with discrimination (which leads to poverty), jack ass. You won't find the same level of discrimination in India because essentially they're all the same color, ethnicity. The color of a person's skin has nothing to do with it. Racist piece of shit.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:51 | 1040824 Doode
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Read the Bell Curve book if you have not already, or check up on the wikipedia for a short summary. It explains the difference very well. Nothing racist about it - it is all in genetics.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 21:40 | 1043049 mophead
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Genetics has nothing to do with it. See my above post. Nazi fuck.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:21 | 1040995 High Plains Drifter
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A Japanese architect designed the WTC towers so that they could take multiple hits from big jets and still survive, yet they fall into their own footprints and turn to dust after one hit ....These buildings are taking a lot more abuse than the WTC towers ever took and yet they stand without much of a problem. Hmmm........again, ...yet the sheep still argue about it all and play the game of pretend that it all happened like they have been told....

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:29 | 1041745 maximin thrax
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You're an idiot. Steel stretches and bends. It has an elastic range, a plastic range, and an ultimate yield strength. The abuse you mention is stress that is countered by strain within the structural members and connections. You are comparing strain well within the elastic range of the members of the towers in Tokyo with buildings in New York whose structural members were destroyed by impact and those remaining weakened through thermal stress AND thermal expansion from fires.

BTW, dimwit, both towers survived the impact of the aircraft in NYC, as designed. They failed from the out-of-control fires.

If you see sheep it's in the mirror in front of you.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:01 | 1042038 psychobilly
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According to the physical evidence collected by NIST, which in their estimation was sufficient to determine how hot the fires were, and the analysis done on that physical evidence, there is no evidence that the steel temperatures reached from the short-lived, diffuse fires were ever hot enough to weaken the steel.

So they just ignored the physical evidence and just made some numbers up about how hot the fires were, while simultaneously refusing to release their computer models so the public could check their work.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:20 | 1042120 trav7777
trav7777's picture the absence of evidence as to a cause, it is NOT warranted to leap all the way to fucking CIA teams with thermite!

there exist manifold alternative theories as to cause of collapse beyond a gigantic conspiracy of government malefactors.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 18:00 | 1042297 spanish inquisition
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I read the Popular Mechanics article that states it is plausible that furniture and stuff caught on fire and melted the beams in building 7 which wasn't hit. I guess we were lucky they all came straight down, boy that was lucky, real lucky.

My guess is that Ikea sold them a bunch of couches that used nanothermite to fluff up the cushions. We need to investigate Ikea.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 19:01 | 1042521 Buckaroo Banzai
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The "burning furniture" theory is nonsense and is fully debunked here:


Fri, 03/11/2011 - 18:20 | 1042369 Flakmeister
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I wish I could find the reference, there is evidence that WT 7 was prepared for a demolition in case of whatever. I want to be clear, not as part of 9/11, but for some other reason. The list of tenants and uses for WT 7 was an interesting mix to say the least....I am not pushing any theory, just observing.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 19:36 | 1042675 psychobilly
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I mentioned nothing of a "gigantic conspiracy of government malefactors."  Go find a mirror if you want to argue with yourself. 

There may be alternative theories to explain all of the physical evidence that proves the use of explosives and incendiaries in bringing down the towers, but I don’t see how any of them could possibly reflect positively on the federal government and all of the fools who bought into its 9/11 stories.


Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:42 | 1040780 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Why aren't any of those skyscrapers falling into their footprint at free fall speed from the impact of the earthquake or fires in the buildings?

Didn't Japan get the memo, we have new laws of physics in place since 9/11.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:23 | 1041000 High Plains Drifter
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Ah because aircraft fuel is not on them?  :)



Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:06 | 1041303 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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There was no aircraft fuel in building 7 either.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:00 | 1041623 Been Jammin Bur...
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It will cure you of Crazy.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:27 | 1041736 chubbar
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95%+ of the fuel burned out the backside on impact. Watch the video. I believe the firefighters also attested to this point with the radio comm from the top floors. Just paper fires prior to turning to dust and collapsing.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:34 | 1041775 maximin thrax
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Since gravity acts downward, why don't you first offer your explanation as to why a building should NOT fall straight down "into its footprint"? Why should quarter-mile-tall structures, mostly air in volume, not fall at "near" freefall speed (14 to 15 seconds versus just over 9 seconds for freefall) once their structures fail? Please explain your new physics, parrot?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:55 | 1042009 psychobilly
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The government's 9/11 story doesn't withstand the scrutiny of schoolboy level physics.


North Tower - Race with Gravity


North Tower Exploding


High Speed Ejection from WTC 1 and WTC 7


WTC7 in Freefall: No Longer Controversial




Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:41 | 1040781 The Axe
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If I earthquake destroyed the Goldman building would the American taxpayer have to pay to rebuild it?   

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:48 | 1040810 falak pema
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every american citizen would get a USD 100,000 bonus. Immediately. And no further rip-offs for ...say twenty years. Have to be cautious on that last projection...Son of squid is favorite  Hollywood theme. They could always resell it to Wall Street.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:00 | 1040862 AN0NYM0US
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metaphorically it was destroyed and we paid (and continue to pay)

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:42 | 1040788 Stuck on Zero
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I'd take steel over reinforced concrete any day.  In Chile hundreds of reinforced concrete buildings collapsed in their recent earthquake.  No steel structures collapsed.  In fact, no steel high-rise buildings have ever collapsed from natural causes, fires, airplane hits, or accidents.  Only deliberate demolition has taken down steel high rise buildings.*


* - One day in 2001 excepted.


Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:27 | 1041043 trav7777
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Japan actually follows stringent codes...Chile, based upon the outcome, does not

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:16 | 1041903 malek
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Yeah, the ZH headline is a bit of a joke... really tall skyscrapers are mostly steel.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:45 | 1040799 bob_dabolina
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That must have been terrifying to be in one of those buildings

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:46 | 1040800 Dr. Engali
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Yeah but how do they hold up against Godzilla?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:16 | 1040964 ronin12
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Or Mothra for that matter.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:48 | 1040808 Yen Cross
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It's all rebar these days Ferris!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:01 | 1040870 Rusty Shorts
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 - you forgot the 3-in-1 Oil and Gauze Pads

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:49 | 1040812 Yen Cross
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My second mantra. Abe Froman!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:48 | 1040813 FrankIvy
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Wow.  Good thing it didn't get hit with a few thousand gallons of jet fuel, which is really just glorified kerosene, because the whole building would have come down in its footprint in 45 minutes.  Or "diesel fires".  Which do the same thing in a few hours.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:32 | 1041074 trav7777
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do you understand that buildings such as these always come down roughly in their own footprints?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 13:56 | 1041248 RichardENixon
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He does not understand that. But understanding things is not important to him and his ilk.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:23 | 1042139 trav7777
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anybody who sees "controlled demolition" in the collapses of WTC2 or 1 is a true moron.

WTC7 is another matter and its failure remains fact, nobody has really tried to explain it.

However, that said, I am far more inclined to believe in a coverup of far more mundane facts, such as shoddy construction, corrosion, than I am of a massive operation involving 1000s of government agents, including of course all the diversity hires promoted to positions of authority to make these agencies "look like America."

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