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Snowed In: A Photo Journey Across A Paralyzed Europe
Traveling to Europe? Not so fast. Most airports in western and central Europe are at best open on an intermittent basis, and at worst completely shut down, with the UK taking the brunt of the storm. Disruptions in traffic continue for a fourth day as travellers across the continent are paralyzed and scrambling to find way to get home, with just 4 days until Christmas. For all those reading Zero Hedge from some airport terminal, our condolences. As always, nothing conveys the story as well as a few simple pictures: we have compiled a representative sample of snapshots from across Europe to show just why all those hoping for a strong holiday retail season in Europe will be very disappointed.
(photo credit AP, Reuters, EPA)
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Al Gore is already a billionaire oilman.
And was before he was born.
Back to saying 'Global Cooling' like the '70's.
68 in Houston, calling for a high of 79 today.
Odd thing that the Euros in the photos are all driving 2WD sub-compacts for their short commutes in the snow, and the fools here all drive jacked-up 4X4s with agggressive tires and winches for their 80 mile commutes on 10 lane highways.
Interesting contrast.
The Houstonites are all good Republicans who believe we are in for another ice age. And this proves it.
Pineapple Express, in Colorado Rockies.
E X T R E M E = post menopausal swings in the weather.
VB:
on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 10:45
#820884
"Pineapple Express, in Colorado Rockies."
as a skier that's something i can understand. what i can't understand is all of this disinformation about the weather.
clearly, something is happening. no one knows exactly what, but, whatever it is, it will play out over a long period of time.
to think that, in terms of weather change, it will be cold one day and hot forever the next day is ridiculous.
this is chaos theory writ large with absolute change appearing first at the margins. like any assymetrical change, it will produce wildly divergent patterns that are contradictory in nature.
only after the marginal changes have effectively altered the existing conditions, and a new momentum and direction are in place, will the shape of that trend, whatever it might be, become readily apparent.
the news is all bad and the weather is outside. film at eleven..............
steep and deep, velo
i saw the moon thingy last night, or 1 eastern standard wakeup time.
I love my F-350.
I love my wife and children.
My F-350 is just another farm tool.
Why anyone would junk this comment is beyond me.
Who gives a shit what they are driving in Houston.. Is it your business to regulate their choices.. I thought you were conservative?
Calm your self. I am observing an odd contrast, not regulating others. Do you not understand the difference, or did my observation hit too close to home?
Furthermore, my observation may be construed as free speech, no?
IMO did not read that way. Free speech, absolutely but do not think free speech has a right to not be criticized attached to its exercise. As you know everything in this world has a price.
Do not worry about it. Poor reading-comprehension skills have held back better people than you. Keep working on it.
"fools" seems judgmental to me perhaps work on your snarky writing style..hmmm
In my judgement, it is indeed foolish to commute in a jacked-up 4X4 with aggressive tires and heavy winch for 80 miles on a 10 lane highway.
I am willing to listen to reasons why my judgment is wrong.
Thanks for your opinion. I have one too, it is foolish to drive a car full of nickel hydride batteries that in terms of overall environmental impact is worse than the jacked up truck. Have a nice day.
If your statement is true, then I share your opinion.
Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.. I like reading your posts... :)
Those are not the only choices.
h-h:
US long hall truckers, leaving from Chicago, have, by the time they get to Reno, traveled further that the distance from London to Moscow (which is all of historical Europe). People in Europe probably use the small cars because Europe is more or less, a cute little place. With a fairly dense population, services are likely available everywhere. An F350 there would just be a big thing that burns gas with no place to go.
People in Europe drive smaller vehicles and use more mass transportation because fuel costs much more than it does in the US. Nothing cute about it.
Most Americans I know drive big trucks to compensate for their small dicks.
You must have seen a lot of dicks to make that statement. Are you a urologist, or a cocksucker?
H H you a one sharp operator. That one spat the dentures out.
Still, it was worth the applause I gave you.
The World will remain sane, until the Hedgeless Horseman are extinct.
delete..
h-h,
Busses are pretty low cost but rail for personal transport, considering infrastructure, isn't all that low cost. And trucking, for perishables and high inventory cost items, is very competitive. Class 8 trucking continues to do very well networking with the rail system here. Truck builders didn't get hit too hard during this last cycle.
Why does the fuel cost more in Europe? Could it have something to do with the paucity of domestic oil with high tax rates on imported oil? And since most of those governments this side of Russia, are elected, the public must be accepting the tax rates as necessary.
+1
Where's the snow in those pictures? Based on the level of disruption you would think they'd be measuring it in feet, not inches. Sorry - meters, not centimeters.
Well the truth is that Europe (or at least Germany) deinvested in winter preparedness measures (to save a few bucks). So there are less trucks to push snow away etc. To cover this up we instead act amazed about the fact that there is snow in the winter. Who would have thought that? It's a typical case of Captian Obvious isn't it?
What bites companies now is that they have the so called rolling warehouses. Meaning they have no warehouses any more, but have just in time delivery. The stock piles are in the trucks and these are now stranded on the highways. Main reason for the stranding is that a lot of them have no winter tires. That is because competition (mainly from eastern european folks) is so hard in the trucker business, companies don't invest anything into their trucks. And the drivers are payed that less money, that they literally shit into the green besides the truck stops, because they don't want to waste the 50 Euro cent it costs them to see the toilet inside the truck stop.
So the chaos is mainly due to going cheap and incompetence. Actually Stockholm airport (Sweden) just offered Frankfurt airport (Germany) to send some folks who know how to deal with snow. What an embaressment for German planners.
'Snow-cano'
That's why you humans are such easy prey, always trapping yourselves in bad weather.
Glad to see Harry Potter can get to Hogwarts despite the weather (6th photo).
White ChristMASS, bitchez†
audios
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Adios to you tambien.
Guess what....Jet Blue does NOT fly to Europe.
Jet Blue has a partnership with Lufthansa (Lufthansa bought a stake in JB). It is possible that some routes to Europe are flown by JB planes.
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/portal/lh/us/info_and_services/local_box...
Only on a wing and a prayer with an empty plane and no head winds.
Their Airbus 320-200's only have a nautical range of 2,900 miles.
NY to London is more more like 3,450 nautical miles.
On November 11th, 2010
"Today's a great day for JetBlue customers as we begin to offer connections to an unbelievable array of worldwide destinations with Lufthansa," said Dave Barger, JetBlue's President and CEO. "Lufthansa's partnership with JetBlue is a significant endorsement of our airline's brand, our people, and our award-winning service."
Customers looking to purchase flights for JetBlue-Lufthansa codeshare flights may book online at www.jetblue.com, www.lufthansa.com, or through local and online travel agencies. Eligible U.S. destinations include Austin, Texas; Buffalo, N.Y.; Fort Lauderdale, Fla.; Fort Myers, Fla.; New Orleans; Pittsburgh; Raleigh/Durham, N.C.; Rochester, N.Y.; San Juan, Puerto Rico; Syracuse, N.Y.; Tampa, Fla.; and West Palm Beach, Fla.
Someone just farted in the UN building...
What in the shit happened to Bernankes beard on the top of page A12 of the WSJ?
And why is that guy looking at him like that?
so the "Day after tomorrow " is here already....BP has killed off the Gulf current by their use of dispersants........EAD for the BUNKERS
When they pile all the cleared snow up, they can call it Mount Gore.
won't be a pile of white snow, 4sure.
Global warming my ass!
Come on doom-and-gloomers, give us another one so we can have a good laugh.
In the 70's it was mass famine: BULLSHIT!
In the 80's it was another Ice Age: BULLSHIT!
For 2,000 it was Y2k bug: BULLSHIT!
Now global warming: BULLSHIT!
Funny how every single "WE ARE GOING TO DIE IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING DRASTIC ABOUT xxx" always involves raising taxes.
Now this pussy ass climate change crap the scrotum tuckers are hiding behind. FUCK ALL YOU NANNY DO-GOODERS! Get out of my wallet and FUCK OFF!
Smiley, you need to stop being shy and get right to the point. No more hidden meaning messages next time
LMAO
I haven't had my morning coffee yet; can you tell? >:)
Ha Ha Ha
Priceless...
Be safe all..
LOL exactly...NO, BAD dirty hippy!! NO, you can NOT rob more money from me and direct my life into a roller skate enclosed bubble...BAD BAD dirty enviro-kook!
Well, at least they keep coming up with new, fun things to worry about.
Here's another one for your list: The Jesusites have had folks worrying about the same old "Rapture, Armaggedon and Jeezuses imminent return" for over 2,000 years...and they still have tons of doo-gooder adherent trying to save us all from ourselves with all kinds of stupid laws and lobbying efforts.
Way to keep your eye on the ball Smiley +2012
It goes back a lot further than that.
Death worship is real. It can not be allowed to continue as a mainstream religion, or we'll all be sacrificed.
Bingo, ding, ding, ding give that man a prize.. death worship and they will find an avenue, if this one fails, they will find another, man has fallen.
+1 That's some spot on shit right there... well said man!
+1
You forgot the "Acid Rain killing forests" of the 90's
You are right, thanks for reminding me Rylie. According the Charlatans in the 90's all the terrestrial plant life in the Northern Hemisphere is supposed to be shriveled up and dead by now: BULLSHIT!
I also forgot SARS, Bird Flu, and Mad Cow. I loved watching videos of airport terminals overlaid with ominous music and dire warnings massive die offs, and then cut to the anchor desk where the some teleprompter reading hack would give a stern stoic stare before cutting to a commercial FOR BRISTOL MYER SQUIB LOL!!! :BULLSHIT!
http://www.nature.com/news/specials/planetaryboundaries/index.html
These people you describe of in the context of your message are not "doom and gloomers." They are called liberals.
Liberals they are: I veiw the "doom-and-gloomers" as a subset of the Eco-Nazi movement presided over by the Liberal base.
Pretty emontional bunch them Liberals...
http://www.linkognito.com/b.php?b=1399
I'm still wondering where the bad snowstorm pictures are. Looks like a normal Buffalo winter to me.
Europussies.
Exactly - Eurosofties. 3-6 inches of snow and they are paralyzed. That's not even enough snow to test out my new Zeon tires...
CNBS will have someone on shortly to hype up how great this snowstorm is for retailers in Euroland's mass transit terminals.
Living in England I can attest to the fact that it is fucking cold. My heating is up as high as it goes and the house at any other time would be cooking you alive at this setting, but it's barely warm.
http://www.cabelas.com/ensemble/Clothing/Mens-Hunting-Clothing/Mens-Hunting-Cold-Weather-Camo-Clothing/Mens-Cold-Weather-Camo-Coats-Parkas%7C/pc/104797080/c/104748480/sc/104274180/i/104049180/Cabelas-Outfitters-Wool-Series/7300.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct.jsp%3FproductId%3D733060%26type%3Dproduct
Wool, bitches!!!
Camo doesn't really flatter me. Thanks anyway ;)
You must have nothing to hide!
Good bye Euro, Hello Mighty Dollar
They all look like typical winter days in the upper Midwest.
2 inches of snow and Europe is paralysed without being bailout
Nothing like a weather story to bring out the ass-hats. For the record, please state
1) Your credentials: i.e, what of level physics, chemistry, geology etc.. education have you achieved?
2) Have you ever done academic research?
3) Your political leanings
4) Experience in simulating non-linear systems?
5) Your interpretation of Genesis.
6) Do you believe in peak oil?
7) Explain the atmosphere and climate of Venus
Don't junk me. That is a cop out. Tell me your basis for your opinions. For the record, I have a Ph.D. in physics, 20 years of academic reserch experience, 3 years experince modelling derivatives on Wall Street. I am an athiest, social libertarian, fiscal conservative.
I'll state my credentials of common sense-
First 'Earth Day' - 'Coming global ice age'
1990's- 'Global warming'
2000's- 'Climate change'
When the 'facts' were hacked into during the Copenhagen debaucle, their best data was shown to be massaged cherry picked BS, and that was from the pinacle of the climate research scientists so in short, give me a fucking break.
ive noticed you've decorated this thread by trashing climate change, have any proof to your counter claim? or just a lot of nay saying angst to throw its way?
Why do you need facts and research to invalidate fraudulent results? If they lied and falsified their data, their conclusions carry no weight. No-one needs to prove a negative here.
lol ive offered plenty down below
actually its not even mine, its submitted by insurance actuaries
Any proof to counter claim... well do you have proof for your claim??
Bzzt... you lose... go back and listen to Rush or Glen. Describe how the data was massaged. Do you know the difference between statistical and systematic errors?
Come back with some real meat, that was bull shit
How about this: http://www.climate-gate.org/ Of particular note is the "lie" tag on the lefthand side.
Also, how about some physical chemistry--the total heat capacity of all of the CO2 on the planet is less than the variance in the heat capacity of water in the atmosphere. That is, CO2 is nothing but noise. If you want to cut greenhouse emissions, you should do it by reducing the amount of water vapor pumped into the air, even when you account for cloud formation.
Red herring... the oceans are the heat sink.
water vapor doesn't trap more heat than CO2, and sulfur dioxide traps more than CO2 as well, that why when we have volcanic eruptions of any kind of magnitude, global temperature drop
simple 8th grade science experiment is to take a thermometer and put one into a jar of air and one inside a jar of CO2. the CO2 will be hotter and actually retain more of its heat over time if given time in the shade.
Here you go. This ends all debate:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122603134258207975.html
lol
Wow; apparently you got your PhD in Physics in the same elementary school as Flackmeister.
Hey dipshit, google "Enrico Fermi Fellowship, University of Chicago"
c'mon junkers... you are copping out. Show your face!
and +3. That was fun.
you might add douchebag to that.
I have a Ph.D. in electrical engineering with 20 years solving maxwell's equations using numerical methods in a commercial product viewed as a standard used by other researchers to validate their results. Also, I have published several papers in peer reviewed journals.
My first problem with global warming is with the simulations. Maxwell's equations are simpler than those encountered in fluids and thermo, but they have many similarities. In the code I work on we restrict the inputs so that the equations operate in a stable region, but sometimes the numerical methods fail and produce seemingly correct results. I could easily see biases added to the climate prediction code to ensure numerical stability, that would have unforeseen outcomes in the computations. In climate simulations, they have a virtually unlimited set of unpredictable source/sinks of heating and cooling. Is the colder winter in Europe a result of the icelandic volcanos? Some heretofore unrealized effect of La Nina?
My second problem is with the data and the time scales that are considered. What are the time constants of the thermodynamic effects we are considering? How comparable are data measured using today's state of the art apparatus to those of yesteryear?
When I read the pro/con arguments on (insert term for man-made climate effects here), I'm reminded of two things:
1. I know I shouldn't open the peak oil can of worms, but when I was in grade school attended a local intergovernmental panel on the looming end of oil supplies. I recall them discussing a 20 year supply and how it would affect local industry and transportation. This was in the early 1970's.
2. There was a paper a member of my thesis committee gave me entitled "The science of things that aren't so" ( http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~ken/Langmuir/langmuir.htm ) - several of the points made that describe a pathological science are seen in the global warming debate.
Certainly my skepticism could be misplaced. Scientific history is full of incorrect theories and it only takes one Copernicus to overturn the incorrect consensus.
Nice, appear to be on the fence, but thinking of the right questions.
Finally, the calm voice of a true scientist. Thank you for your thoughts.
My guess is that when you are testing various products, your data is kept under lock and key, and you protect it at least as well as you would your first-born. If somebody wants to look at your work, you can pull it out in its entirety.
That's the thing that tipped (and ticked) me off about the so-called climate scientists. They "misplaced" data so they would have to reproduce it.... uh-huh!
Tough crowd.... you got junked! Wow
My scarlet J's.
I've been "junked" worse - the beginning of the end of a relationship with a girlfriend I was fairly serious about was when I started snickering as someone talked about dousing for water. Turned out her father kept a pair of willow branches around for just such a purpose!
I just got off the phone with Richard Lindzer, he says your an idiot..
1. 4yr degree EE Purdue 2. Some 3. leftist environmental wacko Buddhist 4. some exposure 5. hahahah 6. How do you believe in facts? 7. de milo ? 25yrs design/dev. RTOS and object oriented systems. Don't bother arguing with these global warming/climate change deniers. For argument sake, let's assume the global climate is likely to have been thrown off balance by man's use of fossil fuels. Let's give it 50/50 or even 40/60 odds. Is that something we should be betting against? Or would we be better off taking some responsibility for our actions for the sake of our children and future generations? I don't have a magic savior to absolve me of my actions.
You get it. It is about risk management.
Recent history doesn't lend a lot of support to mankind's ability to accurately quantify risk.
No one cared about risk, they were making too much money and they knew that they wouldn't be holding the bag. I was modelling CDOs, ABS and MBS in the heyday. Trust me, we knew the risks. It was about finding the bagholder.
So it's actually about men's ability to try to fleece their fellow man - doesn't cap and trade complete that circle? Or are you calculating the tail risk for that market?
cap and trade is a scam, no argument from me
cap and trade is a wash with the economic interests / motives / lies on the other side. The science and evidence are really the only reliable indicators
The only way to price carbon and create the positive feedback to exploit alternative solutions is a carbon tax. Universally applied. We can now proceed to discuss the details of implementation.
The world and humanity is bigger than your Ph.D., capice?
Just want to thank for the sanity check - ZH needs it. Good luck not getting junked...the pinheads here hail WikiLeaks and attempt to suppress free speech simultaneously. Take the "junk" count as a badge of honor.
For the record: Masters in Engineering, supported research as graduate assistant for 4 yours, fallen Republican, simulation of non-linear and feeback-driven processes is part of my daily job, Genesis is nice story (but the sudden appearance of Cain's wife is a serious lapse in editing), Peak Oil is a fact, and Venus is damn hot due to the greenhouse effect.
Merry Christmas!
Well said...thanks for the support.
Merry Christmas, indeed!
Five (5) inches of snow and they shut down. Pussy's the lot of 'em. We had 5 inches yesterday that went on top of a lot more and then it rained ice and I still went grocery shopping, made it to hockey, the bar afterwards and noted that the Bears and Vikings went at it despite the weather and frozen turf. Just like old times. No wonder they're all defaulting.
that goes to show how infrequant the event is and how unprepared they were for it.
which in turn should also tell you something, i would hope...
Unprepared.
That will become the watchword of our age. Because it's the things you didn't ever even once in a lifetime expect that actually murder you.
Humans. So predictable.
not sure what your trying to insinuate here, in an overly complicated way
but it looked impressive
grats!
Don't even get me started on complexity. We'll be here all day.
you may wanna work on simplification and coherence if you wanna have a conversation
lol
Conversation was never in the cards. No, we'll all come to the same conclusions on our own, as individuals, the hard way.
The. Perfect. Trap.
lol
i want some of the flavored bleach your drinking, your awesome!
:D
Well after last years unusual cold winter companies could have been prepared. But they didn't, because it increases margin in Q1,2,3 which is great. Sure you pay in Q4, but who cares when you are measured by the quaterly results.
The whole thing is not a problem in not knowing what to do, but bean counters that cut - once normal - preparedness measures. There are now less snow trucks on the roads, there are close to no warehouses any more (just look on the right lane of a German Autobahn and you see truck after truck all the way any time of the day - that is where the warehouses went).
So basically we followed the anglo-american way of doing things. Deinvesting in preparedness, squeezing every cent, improving the margin at all costs and now paying the price. We sure learned our lesson well and it turns out we are more "successful" at pushing that nonsense to the extreme.
You live in MN, neighbor... Buried my snowmobile up to the hood in powder yesterday...
Lots of snow falling in places. seems like. People that don't normally mind some snow are saying they are getting a lot of snow. And when it's not snowing like a bastard seems it's raining like a mo'fo'.
Snow is frozen rain. I wonder where all that atmospheric moisture is coming from? Normally it just stays in the oceans. You'd have to really pump a lot of heat into the seas to impact atmospheric moisture in a noticeable way over a large area. Doesn't seem like something like that could happen, you know? I mean that's a lot of latent heat exchange. Massive really. On a planetary scale. It boggles the mind actually.
Must be a fluke. Yeah that's it. It's just sun spots or UFOs or something. That's the ticket.
I would say be afraid but we're a good way past casual fear.
a physicist told me a couple of years ago, no climate warming cause the sun spots are getting colder. this guy was really into it, grows his own grapes for wine, as well.
Climate is driven by energy from the sun, but climate change is not, because solar output has held nearly constant through this entire episode.
Humans are the ones driving climate change.
"Humans are the ones driving climate change."
Just curious, going back wards in time, can you explain the causes of Ice Age/Warmup #1, Ice Age/Warmup #2, Ice Age/Warmup #3, etc...
Sorry, no credentials. However, I notice a lot of credentials around when stand alone reason is scarce.
We don't really care much about climate changes in past ages. They had their forcings, those are interesting, but they don't apply to us.
The present round of changes are human-induced. We could actually change that if we wanted to. We don't want to. So we get to find out what it was like for all those other animals that had to suffer through it, having only ourselves to blame.
you need to do some research on the subject. you sound uninformed. sorry.
Nothing I said is untrue or unsound. Past climate events had their own drivers, we don't really care about those except for geological reasons. The current round is anthropogenic due to carbon emmission from fossil fuel combustion is on track to take us from a pre-industrial level of 280ppm CO2 to over 500ppm. Nearly doubled. We're reversing 300 million years of carbon sequestration in a few human generations, a process apparently unknown on the planet to now.
This isn't even interesting any more. All the science is well understood. All that remains is policy initiatives. Or maybe a collapse of the WAIS first. That would be spectacular. All kinds of things would happen after that.
well said
solar output has held nearly constant
yeah, because there's a 4 by 8 watch section on the main console board, keeping it regulated, right? Oh, it self regulates, because there are no gravitational, magnetic or temprature variances in a fucking star... yes?
This climate bullshit is pulling (spurious) data over too short a timeline, and I think you mean Humans just started noticing climate change, especially when they thought they could get a grant and control other people with it.
For all their data and processing power on weather models, the fucking weather man still can't get a 10 day forecast right within 25%. Weatherman, the last goddam job (except for politician) where you can be fucking dead wrong, twice a day and still collect a paycheck. And these are glorified, academic, echo chamber grown fucking weathermen, that you dick smacks are supporting.
one of my biker buddy friends, who later went to acting school in NYC, couldn't find no acting jobs, he is too good looking they told him. he got a weatherman reporting job at a big TV station in salt lake. he said the hardest thing for him to decide was how to hold his hands and fingers to point out the weather and temps. no kidding, it is all in the hands and pointing fingers apparently to the map. LOL†
Climate models and weather models do not operate on the same scales, do not take the same inputs, and are looking at different things. The climate models are always being improved but their results keep pointing to the same outcomes. At some point, adding another decimal point of accuracy to a for-gone conclusion is a meaningless exercise. It's time to just get down to the hard work of turning this ship around.
Freezing rain is much nastier that snow.
im kind of suprised to see poeple mocking "global warming" also known now as "climate change"
the fact are fair ireefutabel at this point. you dont have to take my word for it, talk to insurance actuaries.
this snow season on the euro content is soposidley a result of a lack on the trans atlantic conveyance system responsible for delivering warm gulf water to the euro peninsula
be it as though, that has seemingly been slowly shutting down, more severe weather namely cold now is hitting the euro zone.
like i said, dont take my word for it
ask lloyds of london about insurance beach front properties at certain elecations and building structures in the mid west and gulf areas.
"Climate Change" was a product of the Exxon funded research, more acceptable from a PR perspective, not as scary.
Kudos on "Trans Atlantic Conveyance System", lets see someone mention the NAO :)
im just citing the same research that the actuaries have submitted
its all out there to read
the fact of the matter is insurance companies WONT insure structures in certain areas now, and they are for profit.
so...
that tells me something about risk now, as opposed to 50 years ago.
Very good point.... follow the money at risk...
i follow the new contraction in shipping ports being built in alaska thats been covered in snow for 50 years and has yet to be accesable to the ocean
lol
why would they build NEW shipping ports in the snow if they dont have access to water?
why are russia, canada, america, and the native tribesmen of that area fighting for mineral rights now in that area?
the economic writing is on the wall, don't need to watch any al gore shit anymore or any of the other hundreds of scientists whom have said its happening.
+2
absolutely. al gore is an unfortunate diversion, embodying the worst of the field.
for the truth, check out the observed data...
i walked out of his movie, and i thought of myself as a concerned citizen of the earth. he makes me sick to look at. when they did a zoom in on his face and body sitting in a private jet plane looking out the window, i had to get up and barf.
he doesn't even need to be in a plane to make Portland women barf
Hmm, lets see could there be another possibile reason that acturies would ever consider your religion in their risk calculations hmm..
No, can't think of it? Hint: Goracle/manbearpig led the way..
theres a point here somewhere.. im just trying to decide what it is... lol
hey another thing you can look at is the "malaria belt" that covers the earth, and check out how its expanding.
its one of the reasons british colonialism only went so far up africa. the belt has been expanding as temperatures have allowed it to happen.
"Guns, Germs, and Steel" good book/documentary to check out.
Excellent book, the Nat Geo special was a travesty.
If you cannot figure out that acturies use GW to jack premiums based on psuedo science our conversation will be awfully short as I will have to argue both sides.
The "malaria belt", you do not know what you are talking about. Malaria was found as far north as Maine in the 1800's, draining swamps and most critically DDT solved that problem. Years of not using DDT thanks to the obfuscating murderer Rachel Carson has killed millions across the globe and reintroduced the disease to previously bereft areas..
Humanity's Burden A Global History of Malaria Series: Studies in Environment and History James L. A. Webb, Jr. Colby College, Maineif it was just jacking premiums i would agree
but pulling out of the market share is counter to taking profit
so i disagree
the fact is that simple don't cover certain geographic areas anymore because of the risk being too high.
if their were cash to take im sure they would, their lobby has co written tons of bills here in the US to make that possible. so it tells me something if they just simply wash their hands of certain areas of all vested interest.
If the premiums were overpriced then why would'nt some "really smart guys" cut the rates and grab market share?
to my knowledge the places there in the gulf coast haven't been covered since.
since katrina, that seemed to be the drop of point for the majority. everything else has been icing onthe cake
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Insurance/KnowYourRights/GulfHomeownersInsuranceRelief.aspx
that article was clear back in 06'
its grown from flood insurance to wind/fire/theft/structural/flood in some areas now.
Everyone look closely: When liberals get their unrefuted ass handed to them the issue is dropped.. Any mention of the malarial belt in this post, nope dropped like a hot potato.. Our climate scientists here are now acturial experts.. They do not cover certain areas because people do not build in secure areas, tidal plains etc, much easier to blame those policy writing decision on GW then tell stupid people to quit building in bad locations..
lol the areas i have mentioned have been inhabited for decades previous to this one
like the gulf coast regions? so people shouldn't live in the gulf coast now?
lol no one has dropped any topic, i just keep seeing you trying to climb the top rope of intellect to deliver a wicked "denialists elbow" to people who have given you things to read only to fall down everytime you try
its fun to watch!
but sad cause ive seen it so many time before others already :(
I think you forgot to type "malarial belt" got the rest blah, blah but no malarial belt, hmmm
Or maybe states control the rates and the insurance companies being the greedy whores that they are use those same actuarials to make the decision not to cover property for profit reasons and not global warming.
If a fucking dog can now get insurance, I'm sure there is a premium high enough an insurance company would cover a coastal home made of twigs, 10 feet below sea level, next to a giant sucking whirlpool...if only they would be allowed to charge enough for it.
Yeah, DDT was pretty effective. Ever see a Bald Eagle in the wild in the lower 48 before 10 years ago? Thought so.
Know what whooping crane tastes like? About the same as bald eagle, old joke but it fit.. If you want to discuss Bald Eagles and their pop's then lets talk that... Not relevant, interesting topic but not relevant..