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Some Afternoon Confusion

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Can someone please explain to us what the nature of this post is: “Zero Edge” — Rebutting Faulty Tax Analysis" which appeared today on Barry Rithholtz' blog. We are confused by the whole premise of some guy called called Matt Trivisonno taking offense at our unadjusted and unredacted tax withholdings data, and saying we are misrepresenting something or another. What is more confusing to us is that we have never read anything by Mr. Trivisonno before. Matt, not sure what the problem is - we are merely showing that the Treasury is collecting less money in taxes than it did in 2009. And as for contrarians, we were focusing on the puppets of the government such as Steve Liesman who were making these false claims (at least on an actual cash flow basis - I am sure your adjustments will lead you to whatever conclusion you desire). Period. I am happy to share the primary data with you or anybody else: it is all public and anybody can grab the data directly from the Treasury. If Matt wishes to challenge what the raw data is showing, we are happy to open a forum to him on Zero Hedge. We will post an update on the ongoing deterioration in gross tax withholdings (actual, unrecasted, unmodified or seasonally adjusted) shortly.

That said, we are very amused by Barry's distinction between his blog and ZH. To wit:

ZH is a blogger who covers Wall Street.
I am a Wall Streeter who blogs.

Barry is too kind, although since we cover Wall Street, and Barry considers himself a "Wall Streeter", does that mean we should be covering him as well? Thanks for the heads up! We are lucky that Barry points out what Wall Streeters do: "While he was typing, I was speaking to our clients, doing a Tech
Ticker interview for Yahoo, a radio interview, and then making
arrangements with NBC World News Tonite." So that's what Wall Streeting is? We will make a note.




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Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:02 | 304893 Cistercian
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 Being bleeding edge and right makes enemies.Especially out of no talent sycophant cretins

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 23:35 | 305233 drwells
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"Wall Streeters" often confuse brains with a bull market in corruption and political capture.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 02:08 | 305340 dnarby
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...Barry who?

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 20:25 | 306145 Canucklehead
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Barry is otherwise known as the Naked WallStreeter.  You know, like the Naked Cowboy only he has a briefcase instead of a guitar to cover his speedos.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 00:53 | 305292 Cursive
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Phuck Barry Ritholtz and the shetland pony he rode in on.  I used to be a TBP regular.  Barry pissed me and most of his other regulars off in Fall of 2009.  The seminal event was that he declined an invite to speak before Congress because he didn't want to waste his time.  Well, a lot of fine people gave their blood, sweat and tears so that Mr. Ritholtz could enjoy his time.  Thank God ZH came along.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 13:38 | 305791 Problem Is
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Buy Ritholtz's book (sarcasm)...

Barry knows all, sees all and IS the smartest guy in the room. Just ask him. He'll tell you...

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 16:06 | 305935 Nicodemus
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Amusingly both Rithholtz and Trivisonno take a pretty nice beating in the comment section of his own blog.  Trivisonno ends up losing all credibility.  Towards the end of the blog one reader sums it up pretty well...

"As for Matt – I hope you are in your teens or early twenties. Your hyper defensive and belittling responses are unseemly for anyone who has outgrown the “I’m always right” age."

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:03 | 304897 theworldisnotenough
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At least he is swinging up. I guess he needs the traffic...

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:53 | 304965 Cognitive Dissonance
Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:03 | 304979 hungrydweller
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Wow!  GO ZH!  Nice link Mr. Dissonance.  Thanks.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 22:49 | 305179 nonclaim
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ZH Yearly Change: +54,730.87%

I think that is how much we all gained in knowledge.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 09:46 | 305243 hedgeless_horseman
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It is not an efficient use of efffort for the intelligent to pick on the retarded, as there are so many of the retarded.  Let it rest, Tyler, and get used to it. 

Nice response, CD.

Cheers and may you find solice, as I have tonight, retarded by EtOH via 2x the following:

2 oz cognac

1/2 oz yellow chartreuse

1/2 oz lemon juice

1/2 oz gomme syrup

dash of angastora bitters

shake and serve in a Waterford crystal deep champagne saucer (Kildare pattern-God bless Wolfe Tone).

By the way, all of you, it is a fair chance today is payday for you, so...

Enjoy the self-determined-variable-subscription-rate offer while it lasts.



Sat, 04/17/2010 - 02:08 | 305341 dnarby
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That would make a sweet pair trade.

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 11:34 | 306617 Problem Is
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"This comparison of web traffic says it all."


Rithholtz Rationalizes

Rithholtz: "But my book is BRILLIANT. Why would they read ZH when they could pay me for my pompous pontifications? I AM the next Thomas Friedman... don't those dickweed ZH readers know anything?"

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:05 | 304899 casino capitalism
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I read that earlier today.  Frankly, I didn't pay much attention.  Rest assured you have a lot of credibility with people like me who are thankful for you exposing the reality of our casino financial system.  Forget about it.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:05 | 304900 sporb
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ZH really is the best one. I haven't seen a better one. 

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:05 | 304901 Bill DeBurgh
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I stopped reading the Big Picture months ago. 90% of the posts are dull drivel. This site kicks Barry's ass sideways.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:48 | 304960 HappyWarrior
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1,000,000 +

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:27 | 304999 Hansel
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Ritholtz used to do good work.  Then he got clients and stopped doing good work.  I quit reading when all his posts started being about how many different times a day you could see his fat face on TV, or what music he listens to, or him pumping his book, or how great his new proprietary software is and why you should give him your money, or his "open threads" where he asks the internet to do all his work for him.  He sucks now.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 23:39 | 305236 drwells
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Once you're raking in the $ pontificating on the idiot box and the book tours, there's no need for further thinking. And having to listen to CNBS for 15 minutes (even if it was me being interviewed) would probably cut my IQ by half.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 22:32 | 305156 Cookie
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Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:06 | 304902 johngaltfla
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I like Ritholtz but it was a cheap shot. He's better than that.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:58 | 305038 perchprism
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The comments by both Mr. Trivisonno and Ritholtz are deliberately calculated to spark a feud with "Zero edge" a conspiracy-theory blog.



Fri, 04/16/2010 - 23:30 | 305230 johngaltfla
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Conspiracy theory blog? Just because Tyler and Co. are nice enough to let the moonbats post here does not make it a conspiracy blog, hell, I let some post at my site because they play by the rules also. But this is no conspiracy blog. Often times FACTS are displayed here along with some very prescient market analysis that many others refuse to address.

Tyler's place kicks ass.


Sun, 04/18/2010 - 01:22 | 306410 WaterWings
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John? Uh, nano-thermite.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 02:11 | 305342 dnarby
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Not very smart to drive traffic to someone who's clearly DRINKING YOUR MILKSHAKE!



Sat, 04/17/2010 - 08:39 | 305442 Citizen of an I...
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Drinks his milkshake?  Hell. is fucking his couch.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:09 | 304906 dark pools of soros
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does Timmay blog??

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:05 | 304982 hungrydweller
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No.  But you can bet his underlings read them - with ZeroHedge at the top of the list!

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:19 | 304920 Crime of the Century
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I stopped reading the Big Picture months ago.

Me too - hence the sniping. He knows where his readers went...

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:22 | 304927 Optimystic
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Barry Rithholz is a paid lackey!  He is a corrupt as they come .........he and Gary Weiss are big buddies!

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 01:18 | 305299 Cursive
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There is something to this.  Months ago I read something linked from Deep Capture that put Barry Ritholtz at the center of (if memory serves) stock market manipulation.  Interested if you have any details.


ETA: Svendtrift has the link a few posts down the page!

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:22 | 304928 10044
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Fri, 04/16/2010 - 21:42 | 304939 jdrose1985
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ZH is blowing the competition away. Enough said.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:32 | 304940 BlackBeard
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cat fight!

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:58 | 304971 nmewn
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LOL...+ a quadrillion.

Barry lost me with his incessant self promotion...a TRUE contrarian predictor if there ever was the immortal words of Mencken;

"...the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard" ;-)

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:36 | 304945 GS is short Gold
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Ritholtz is just jealous. ZH probably does 10x the traffic BP does these days. Barry's research is excellent, but obviously he comes here for half his info.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:37 | 304949 Pat Shuff
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$10,000 says your wrong, a matchup between one of my least favorites and lesser favorites, may the best man win.

Last time BR offered $10k money-your-mouth-is (CRA caused it) was with a blogger who drives an '85 Accord in need of repair.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:47 | 304959 Biff Malibu
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your ripping on somebody for having the intelligence of buying a honda accord and then being able to drive the piss out of it???  

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:04 | 304981 Pat Shuff
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No. The car and blog are older than BR('s.)

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:38 | 304950 girl money
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I think I see what see what Trivisonno is trying to graph, but, this being a YOY comparison, if you stack the first two bars in his graph, both under the zero line, then compare with the third bar, which is above the zero line, the difference is a picture of how much lower the tax receipts are YTD compared to 2009.

He's trying to point out that there appears to be an overall improvement because the last four weeks show a 2.97% YOY improvement over the period that included the crash of March 2009.

Disagree with his conclusions, though... for an overall improvement, you need to stick to YTD YOY comparison, not slice it up for convenience. 

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:42 | 304951 percolator
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A while back I made a comment on TBP that Mish ripped apart one of his posts.  BR didn't like that and ever since none of my comments are accepted. 

I still go there to read some of his posts, but its less frequently.  Today he had a post saying that bloggers have it ass backwards when they claim people who are not paying their mortgage are contributing to the uptick in consumer spending.

This is a ridiculous comment by BR, how can 7.8 million people not paying their mortgage not be spending at least some of this money on retail purchases?

What are they doing with this money?  Its surely isn't be saved based on the savings rate though some of it is being used to pay down debt.  So that doesn't leave many other options for this money to go.

I've also noticed he seems to be quite arrogant and self righteous of late.  I think his bottom call has gone to his head.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:31 | 305004 call me ahab
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"I think his bottom call has gone to his head."

no doubt

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 09:10 | 305432 dead hobo
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Hi, buddy.

I finally capitulated, this time for sure. There's too much self promotion going on over there. I'm tired of trying to educate him. He can now go back to pondering magic charts without fear of ridicule, although I have to admit it was loads of fun pointing out the weaknesses in so many of his arguments. Usually it was easier than catching fish out of a barrel. I wonder if his car has a bumper sticker "Support you local financial advisor" or "10% to God; 2 and 20 to His Assistant"?

On TBP, BR was the perfect straight man. He would lob soft balls that were so easy to hit out of the park, it became addictive to write snarky crap over there. Oh well, everyone has to grow up eventually so now I plan associate with the adults. It's not as much fun as TD runs a much higher quality joint and my shtick doesn't work here. 

PS: I think I recall several bottom calls, his memory is a little selective.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 10:34 | 305560 call me ahab
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the way BR is shaping up in my mind is more of a pundit-  he definitely does put some stuff out there that beg for rebuttal-

but maybe that's his shtick-  he hasn't banned me yet-  so he has that going for him-

the dude can be pretty damn funny though- that's always a plus in my book- and he lets you know what he thinks w/o the sugar coating- which is also a plus-

and he is willing to take criticism- which means- although a big ego- it is not fragile






Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:41 | 304953 John Law
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This is just a guess, but with the level of information and analysis on this site I would be willing to bet Mr. Durden is a bigger and more powerful wall streeter or former wall streeter than Mr. Rithholtz.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:45 | 304956 Biff Malibu
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Not to start a financial blog war, Barry has some good pieces and I check his site maybe once a week, but he is nothing but pompous self-promotion of his book.  He's the kind of guy that I'd like to have behind me in his fancy car when I'm driving my '85 Ford Dually 1/2 ton pickup and spray gravel all over him.  But alas, I don't have a '85 Ford Dually....  while currently Google is my homepage, Zero Hedge is the link I click on first every time I sit down at the computer.  They have opened my eyes and proven to me things that I thought were happening, but as an American steeped in Patriotism, I could not believe that one American would do to another.  they have proven to me that it is up to me to watch my own A$$ and trust no one when it comes to finances.  Thank you ZH!!!!  

Uber Pwnage!


Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:55 | 304969 merehuman
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same here. Zerohedge is the best site period!

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:49 | 304961 TwoJacks
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Barry is a television personality who knows a little about the market. talks a lot

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:53 | 304966 HappyWarrior
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BR is not a right mannered gentleman nor where comments salient or warranted. Maybe over the weekend he will have an exclusive with his fellow "Streeter" Jim Crammer, or is it Creamer, and can blog it!

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:01 | 304968 JW n FL
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The use of ZeroHedge as a spring board because of the added visits post Goldman Civil Fraud (look over there why we fuck you over here case)... they want readers... and ZH has readers... best way to stir the pot and drum up some visits... is our Boy always right, nope... but is our boy true to who he really is, absofuckinglutely.


Keep up the great work... the people who are trying to up thier readership are not going to be the problem.. ZH will be under attack in court, the expense of an ongoing court battle will drain resources and scare off sources of information.. that’s the end game that Goldman or the like has yet to exercise.


I don't expect perfection out of someone who posts 20 or 30 articles a day... I expect them to care and to try to be honest... which I get from Zero Hedge daily.


As for the end of the world bullshit on the other site... well the markets are a house of cards… Which is true and if the house of cards where to suffer a stiff wind they would fall... that is the truth, not bullshit. So we can assume that thru this other sites ignorance or outright manipulation of the truth that they would promote that all is well... and that Wall Street and their practices are founded on good business models?! Or this other site has never ventured beyond some low hanging fruit type of position…


I think that if people knew the truth maybe they would not get screwed as much or as often… I think that if Wall Street keeps up this shell game that everyone will suffer more than needed… if not this go round than maybe the next. But doom and gloom? Or the unreasonable assumption that algo’s are not keeping this jobless recovery in check is either as I mentioned before an outright lie… which could be perceived as keeping the ugly truth away from the children or a real belief that the other site’s contributor see’s as correct from their lowly vantage point.


No jobs but lots of profits… on paper. Fact! Not doom and gloom. Where is the liquidity coming from fore said profits?

The war on the negative perception or the war on public perception being herded into the land of positive-ville is ongoing.. the people who speak the truth will be bashed and ground to dust, I don’t give ZH a solid year before the law suits start coming until such time it is impossible for ZH to keep the lights on. That is not a doom and gloom statement, it is the logical conclusion of stopping the successful spread of real… albeit not positive information.


I want the stock market at 20k tomorrow… but with sound fundamentals in place… not a 0% Fed Window and a perma-fix of the Tax Payer being the lender of last resort to any and all deals that do not earn monies for the AAA Rated Corps… how long until bonus craze destroys the Country, because it almost did… and NOTHING has changed… except more monies, cheaper monies and less competition for the politically connected with the ubber effective lobby… ala’ Goldman and AAA rated new banking friends.


Doom and Gloom do not always mean wrong… doom and gloom is the issue or war drum beat here all day, every day... more so than the end is near, as pontificated about buy the others (pun intended). People here are worried and want the facts out... not the world to end... in most cases... doom and gloom are fact... the end is near is a only a vocal few.


I hope that this does not backfire for those sites seeking new clicks or readers… I hope that they are not found out to be lackeys who would further the whole… the world is great… look rainbows and unicorns! The Fed is not printing out of thin air… no worries… unemployment is at 15% to 20% and the stock market loves it… Buy! Buy!! BUY!!! Bullshit…


Keep up the great work here and I hope you get to continue for a long time Tyler.


Sincerely, JW


Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:08 | 304985 hungrydweller
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You mean "Dan".

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:11 | 304990 Alienated Serf
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doom and gloom true, but TD uses almost always publicly available information (such as the publicly available treas. figures at the center of this controversy), he is not picking stocks, he is posting commentary, he is not involved in per se slander or libel, is not encouraging any violence.

the Squid is quite litigous and had they had ANY even slighlty legitimate cause of action they would have already sprung.  all they can do is block him at their office and talk trash.

for the foreseeable future TD is safe.  but who knows, in what ever "reform" is passed, maybe it will become a "threat to national security" to spook the market, even if it is with the truth.

i am one of the most cynical, pessimistic mofos you will ever meet, but TD will be around for awhile.


Sat, 04/17/2010 - 13:36 | 305789 JW n FL
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Bro.. I hope and pray you are right.. but when Tyler gets enough of a foot hold.. they will come after him.


I will say now... that the legal portion of the fight that they would bring to Tyler will in fact bring me out of the chat and into the courtroom with my Esquires... They will not get Tyler (Dan) easily and without running me down first... there is some dumb Goldmanite reading this and laughing I am sure... 33280 is the zip code or 32217 or 20854 or 33037... I could continue but why, enough said. If Tyler is pursued in any percedings... I will rear my ugly head, FACT! 

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:47 | 305023 Missing_Link
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Amen!  And seconded.

Keep up the great work, Tyler and Marla!

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 08:34 | 305439 tip e. canoe
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nice post JW.  you write extremely well when not so emotionally attached.

"the end is near is a only a vocal few."

as one of those 'vocal few', 'the end' does not necessarily imply 'THE END', but rather the potential for a new beginning.  as to how large or small those ends & beginnings are is up for the universe to decide.  i only hope for the transition (in whatever form it takes) to incur physical suffering for the least amount of human beings on this planet as possible.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 13:28 | 305783 JW n FL
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I am trying Tip E. I am trying Bro... I get pretty worked up which doesn't do me or anyone else any good I am sure... I think that the broad majority of people here are on the  same page... and some of the new comers are trying to find the truth, thats why they are here...


But our Boy Tyler (Dan) is and has done a bang up job with spreading the word... Tyler is doing God's Work, NOT! Goldman...

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 19:58 | 304970 lucky 81
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ZH is one stop shopping for the facts and only the facts . If you guys need a car starter i'm available when school is over.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:51 | 305027 Optimystic
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Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:01 | 304976 MarketTruth
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Tyler, have been in the media business for a long, long time within a dog-eat-dog market.

You know you have made it big when many are trying to burn you down.... or at least drag you slower by grabbing at your coat tails.

How to play it? Don't.

Set them to IGNORE and do not post things like the above. Not worth your HIGHLY valuable time so that you can continue doing what we all love the most. Even the brief mention of them makes them happy. After all, ANY press is better than no press at all.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 12:56 | 305740 Hulk
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Great advice, I hope the Durden's follow it...

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:06 | 304983 JW n FL
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Matt Trivisonno Says:
April 16th, 2010 at 7:45 pm


Well, I’m not in the conspiracy-theory business, so I am not a rival.



So... this chicken blooded mouth piece hides over there but would never show his coward face over here with a comment like this...


What exactly Matt is the "conspiracy-theory" posted here verse the fact(s)?

I would LOVE! for Matt to answer this, not that he has the balls for it... but one can have hopes and dreams.. like all is well on Wall Street... Buy! Buy!! BUY!!! Matt!

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 15:09 | 305886 JW n FL
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Wall Street Work Force Falls to 16-Year Low

NEW YORK - Wall Street shed 1,200 jobs in March, in a third straight month of job cuts that pushed employment in New York City's key banking and investment industry to its lowest level since October 1993, the New York state Department of Labor said on Thursday.

The markets are great! no problem! Buy! Buy!! BUY!!!

Wait... more conspiracy theories from the Zero Hedge crowd... sorry, just us wackos over here.. pointing out the facts Matt.

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 11:27 | 306598 Problem Is
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Thanks for posting those links JW...

"What exactly Matt is the "conspiracy-theory" posted here verse the fact(s)?"

Keep in Mind "Conspiracy Theory" is an Ad Hominem Attack
In the current US societal usage, "Conspiracy Theory" is used to discredit a dissenter without addressing the facts of the dissenter's arguments. It is a CLASSIC ad hominem attack.

We attended the presentation of an academic paper in linguistics that pointed out conspiracy theories are popular among the US public at large because the government itself engages in conspiracy theory as propaganda all the time.

Cases he sited:
1. The whole Red Scare of the 1950s.
2. Gulf of Tonkin... proven false.
3. Reagan's "Sandinistas taking over Central America."
4. Al Qaeda did 9-11 within 4 hours of the attacks with no evidence.
(Or you had the intelligence to know it was Al Qaeda in 4 horus but nobody had any warnings or could have seen the use of planes as weapons? Which is it Schrub, Union Oil Condi, Dickhead Cheney?)
5. Saddam linked to Al Qaeda and has WMD... proven false.
6. Now Iran is the nuclear threat of the ages...

US Government... the original Conspiracy Theorists?

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:32 | 305002 John McCloy
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Double Post oops


Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:41 | 305006 John McCloy
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 I am going to say this once so everyone at Zero Hedge understands it clearly.

Zero Hedge is not only emerging as a  power player as of this date but has officially emerged as one of the most important and influential financial news sources and perhaps the only true hybrid investigative journalists/ analysts in the markets in the past 20 years. This makes you not only dangerous but a mark and from here on out increasing scrutiny will attempt to discredit everything which is published  in order to defrock this great site of the one advantage is possesses over all others and this is integrity.

 They have near unlimited financial resources at their disposal and an accumulation of media and governmental/ private connections at their disposal where as Tyler and crew have Delta ads, donations and a website that cannot even support the traffic because of it's popularity. They need to cripple you now before their worst nightmare is materialized and 5 years from now after we can all flip on ZeroHedge News network.

Be proud. You have become the Winchells and the entity the SEC should be on a fractional budget and you would make the founders of this nation proud who were once reliant upon pamphlets to incite a revolution that transformed the world and this nation into a beacon for the disenfranchised who had no liberties. I am a poor student without much money but I will donate what I can to this cause because it is the best investment I could ever make for my nations future.


Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:48 | 305024 docj
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Hear! Hear!

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:56 | 305035 Alienated Serf
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ZH reminds me of the days when rants against king george were tacked to a tree.  i'm sure people thought that was a joke by a bunch of kooks back then...  truth works.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 21:22 | 305082 docj
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You were there?

(only kidding, of course)

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 23:38 | 305234 Bolweevil
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Sat, 04/17/2010 - 01:06 | 305301 Alienated Serf
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yeah man, we didn't even have iPads then!!@!@

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 01:24 | 306413 WaterWings
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Menckel is a god around here. Deservedly so.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 21:13 | 305064 Cistercian
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Sat, 04/17/2010 - 01:21 | 305312 Cursive
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@ John McCloy

Well said and ZNN would be bitchin'.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:34 | 305011 Rusty_Shackleford
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I absolutely loved this comment over there:


"If you ever read the comments section on their political postings, it is one big mix of crazy extremist anti-us propaganda garbage after another. I judge a place by the people who frequent it…"


I have never been prouder.


Saved by Zero

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:39 | 305013 John McCloy
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These guys would not know what the United States truly is if it punched them in the face 50 times and gave them Red, White & Blue star shaped eyes. This is our country and you are all just visiting you fucking parasites.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:51 | 305028 Missing_Link
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"Anti-US"?  HA!

That's funny.

As a flag-waving American patriot, that just could not be more wrong.

Every single post on ZH is an attempt to get capitalism back to fairness and justice and return it to work in the service of the American people instead of the soulless leech it has become.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 22:37 | 305161 Hulk
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+1 Getting ready to take down the US and Marine Corp flags for the night..

+ US



+ anyone or any party that can get this ship floating again


Fri, 04/16/2010 - 23:58 | 305250 hedgeless_horseman
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Hulk, you are my neighbor, in every sense of the word. 

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 13:21 | 305768 Hulk
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I appreciate that thought hedgeless_horseman and wish I had a neighbor like you...

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 06:43 | 305397 Alexandra Hamilton
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Capitalism has never been fair nor just.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 08:40 | 305445 tip e. canoe
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capitalism is like every other potentially dangerous tool (gun, chainsaw, machete) -- it's all in how one uses it.

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 01:25 | 306415 WaterWings
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I prefer people like you to define socialism before you attack Capitalism. Merci.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 23:44 | 305240 drwells
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Anti-US? No.

Anti-what the U.S has been made into? Bet your ass.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 08:38 | 305443 tip e. canoe
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always loved that song Rusty...thanks for bringing it up again.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 20:42 | 305018 starfish
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SEC Bounty Hunter...ZeroHedge...the truth will set you free

Hopefully there are at least a dozen like minded authors posting as Tyler D pseudonym, so they would be hedging the loss of any one of them as individuals in the event of an accident. 

So you're telling me there's a chance at the truth prevailing. YEAH!

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 21:15 | 305068 Mitchman
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ZH is one of the best financial blogs in the universe.  I read that crap on Ritholtz's blog and couldn't understand why an otherwise smart guy would publish that crap.  Yu know that old story about figures not lying but liars figuring...  

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 21:20 | 305076 TroyMcClureRIP
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I was just thinking today how much of an arrogant ass Barry is turning out to be.  I think his over-exposure is going to his head.  Is there any track record out there for FusionIQ?

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 21:42 | 305099 monopoly
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Zero Hedge is now a very important part of my daily reviews. I will continue to donate as long as it is needed. John Adams would be proud of this site.


Thank you Tyler, Travis, Marla and all.

This too shall pass. I just hope I live so long.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 22:01 | 305116 demsco
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That guy is a fucking moron, seriously. The tax credit is like $23/week as in twenty three dollars and zero sense per week. That means nothing. I also take issue with him not using net numbers since here we all talk about the national debt and such. If the government takes in less money it is a major problem. I am also sure this asshat thinks temporary jobs are really a good thing. I would love to talk with him, but I like my IQ to remain above 150. He misses the point, calls everyone here crazy and charges a fee for free fucking data!?? I mean WTF.

The worst part is he could never admit that he is wrong because he charges a fee for his work and, from what I could tell, his ego clouds his mind. I bet he would argue the sky is pink just for the hell of it.


But, he WAS short the market today, wow, he must have been the only one... Oh wait, so was I!! I have never heard of this guy and I am sure I will never hear of him again.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 22:13 | 305134 geckoman
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I read Barry just about the time he started blogging.  He was awesome back then.  Actually Barry might have been the original zerohedge (lite).  It all went south (for me) when he did the blog redesign.  The constant posts about the look and feel of the new blog started to strike me as a child seeking attention.  Next came the fusion iq launch followed by the Kudlow appearances.  The last straw was when he got black balled from Kudlows show and would post "poor me" posts about it.  He's an attention seeker.

zerohedge is the undisputed champ.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 02:04 | 305339 litoralkey
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I absolutely agree with you on the timeline and the ego, actually the ego's timeline.

There was decent insight in those early days... though a bit too much music blogging, but that was cool and all, it was a personal blog after all.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 22:32 | 305157 Sisyphus
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Now, how is this gentleman any different than Mr. Kramer. A few days ago he mentioned that during an interview with Forbes he recommended the following:

The first group is what I call our bailout bet. And that’s all the companies that I think are horrible companies and I hate their managements. They’re terrible corporations, and we should throw them into the ocean. But we had to hold our nose and buy them, because they were going higher. And that’s Citigroup, Bank of America, and Fannie Mae.

And they call themselves sophisticaed investors who manage money for clients. If this isn't gambling, then what is? And then when folks on his website took him to task for recommending such crap, he claimed that this was spewed out by his quant model.

BR: I sure as hell didn’t pick these because I like them — they came OUT OF THE QUANT system.

If I didn’t own them because I didnt like them, but IQ had them on a new buy, I’d be a hypocrite!

So, what I am telling everyone is this: I developed an algorithm that searches for crap and when it spews out crap, I say it isn't my fault, it is the system that is telling me to buy crap. But, I wrote the code to look for crap, hence the system is spitting out crap. Has anybody not heard of "crap in crap out". And they are money managers?

I would much rather have my capital in a savings account yeilding zilch, then hand it over to folks such as Mr. Ritholz to manage. They get lucky - I don't know how; anybody's guess - and pass it off as brains. Good luck to Mr. Ritholz and his clients. They deserve each other.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 00:44 | 305285 TimmyM
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When I read that, I said to myself what idiot would give money to this guy? Then I unbookmarked the site.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 22:50 | 305185 anynonmous
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The comment where Mr. R identifies himself as a Wall Streeter

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 01:48 | 305332 Cursive
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I couldn't resist.  Had to check it out.  Man, his traffic and commentors are pitiful now.  I noticed that call me ahab and Andy T were either ambivalent or outright disapproving.  Ritholtz has seen his best days.  If he's making money, he should enjoy it.  He had something greater than money - street cred - and he blew it.  The funny thing about money is, well, it really can't buy you everything.  Especially when it's worthless.  Let's see what it does for Fabrice Tourre.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 23:42 | 305237 Howard_Beale
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Who the fuck is Barry Rithholtz? :) oh, I forgot, he's a phucknut.

Who the fuck is Matt Trivisonno? Well I searched for him--

He wrote this tripe:

On May 4, 2009, I wrote a post titled “Super Fly” where I stated that I would no longer be reading Zero Edge. At the time, most of my readers were bearish, so I was trying to lead by example. I hope you people got the message. Did Zero Edge steer you wrong over the past year? Ha! Not only did they steer you wrong, but they steered you right over the lip of an active volcano and down into the lava! You’re just a skeleton now!

As we all know, Tyler has never been a financial advisor of any kind or recommended a trade of any kind. He has insisted this market is dangerous and to STOP TRADING many times.

This douchebag deserves the same treatment you gave Goldman this morning, TY. Block his IP so he can come up with an original thought that isn't blatantly false. And find his home IP too. Block the asshole.

In the meantime, it was a great day at ZH, traffic was enormous and you stayed up most of the time.

With enormous respect and admiration for all you do,


Sat, 04/17/2010 - 00:45 | 305287 neophyte
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Well said. Not sure why people misinterpret the "truth" as discussed at ZH as a barometer of

of our trading/investment actions.

Tyler, Marla. Thank you for your untiring efforts in providing this outstanding forum to educate those of us who did/do not have a clue. IMO, a waste of time responding to Mr. T.

Proud to be a part of the ZH community.


Sat, 04/17/2010 - 09:15 | 305458 Crime of the Century
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has insisted this market is dangerous and to STOP TRADING many times

Apparently some types, unable to stop trading ever, take that as a secret call to immediately short the market.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 13:48 | 305800 partimer1
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I think what he really means is that the market is rigged, and a little guys trading on the laptop don't stand a slightest chance to win. Obviously if your game is to scrap a 25 c here and there, you might win a few times. but the market can bury you as quickly as a flip of coin. 


Think for a moment, why Tyler doing this?  he does not even want his real name out there. My guess is that He saw all the games played by those greedy bastards using government backstop to benefit their own, while all the joe sixpacks got fucked without even knowing their assholes bleeding.  he just wants to expose those dirty tricks to the sunlight.

Fri, 04/16/2010 - 23:44 | 305241 Bolweevil
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Who's Barry Ritholtz?

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 00:19 | 305257 RichardENixon
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Since it is a known fact that the majority of jobs created during 1st qtr 2010 were government jobs, even if BR is correct, it just means that the Feds are taking money out of their right pocket and putting it into their left. Any increase in FWT was the result of "stimulus", and the bottom line on stimulus is that a 1.2 trillion dollar deficit produced a 200 billion bump in GDP. I fail to see how this is evidence of economic improvement, but then I'm just a doom and gloomer.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 00:21 | 305270 pooplagrande
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Barry's arrogance is getting tiresome. He is not as smart as he thinks he is and this site absolutely crushes his weak tit blog.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 01:15 | 305310 Alexandra Hamilton
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ZH is a blogger who covers Wall Street.
I am a Wall Streeter who blogs.

That may be his way of saying: You are an outsider, mate. You don't belong to the 'family'. I know what I am talking about while you are not.

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 01:26 | 306417 WaterWings
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I post some dumb shit sometimes but...

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 01:39 | 305326 chindit13
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The reason ZH has become such a target is not so much its success in hitting almost every significant story over the last year, nor even because of its rapid growth.  What riles people like BR and the clowns at CNBC is that ZH still chooses to remain anonymous.  Egoists not only get jealous at others' success, but they also cannot fathom why anyone with a chance to take the stage and receive the adulation of the masses does not do so.  It confuses them and attacks their world view, because for them it is all about "being somebody". To see that not everyone wants what they think is the ultimate goal of any living being forces them to question their own validity and life choices.  Behind every publicity seeking buffoon is a weak and insecure little man (or woman) in need of constant reinforcement.  I give you Cramer as a textbook example.

Tyler et al are "somebodies" without being somebodies.  They won't be approached for autographs on the street, cannot get the best table in a restaurant, and are not sought out to appear in the halls of power and enlighten others of their kind (at least not publicly).

You are the enemy because you invalidate them and all they hold dear.

Keep up the great work!

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 01:57 | 305334 Cursive
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What riles people like BR and the clowns at CNBC is that ZH still chooses to remain anonymous.  Egoists not only get jealous at others' success, but they also cannot fathom why anyone with a chance to take the stage and receive the adulation of the masses does not do so.  It confuses them and attacks their world view, because for them it is all about "being somebody". To see that not everyone wants what they think is the ultimate goal of any living being forces them to question their own validity and life choices.  Behind every publicity seeking buffoon is a weak and insecure little man (or woman) in need of constant reinforcement.

Seriously, man, that was good.  Now I'm glad BR pulled his little bitch stunt just so I could read your thoughts on narcissism and its cousin, nihilism.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 09:33 | 305468 Crime of the Century
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A tale of two egos, indeed. I think Barry's head exploded when he saw this Keiser episode:


Sat, 04/17/2010 - 13:24 | 305775 JW n FL
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+ 1 Trillion for the find... our Boy Tyler... makes good once again on the promise to tell the truth.


I Love It!


Thanks for the link and the post you Rock! Crime of the Century.


Sincerely, JW 

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 04:15 | 305370 Alexandra Hamilton
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Very well said.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 08:53 | 305450 tip e. canoe
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agreed...the most effective subversion is the most subtle.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 01:57 | 305335 litoralkey
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This guy is trying to start a interblog flamewar to boost his authority ratings.  In the future if you are not wanting to play in to this scenario, DO NOT POST LINKS TO HIS BLOG!  That is the ONLY thing he wants SPECIFICALLY from you.  Secondary objectives are to get other blogs on the long tail creating an echo chamber that link back to your original piece, his rebuttal that links to you, and your rebuttal to his rebuttal that contains a link to him.  This is standard guerilla SEO marketing technique.   It's done to game the and other services that rank blog authority, and also boosts his SEO standings to bring him to the top of the search engine results.

On that note, the guy is having a 50% off sale for his subscription data analysis services until April 18th!  Hurry now!

On the other note, he is correct, different number of workdays in 2009 and 2010 in 1Q, and ARRA altered the withholdings law, therefor the withholding data the Treasury releases.

Again, in the future, if you are in the mood, edit your existing post with a mea culpa WITHOUT acknowledging the website when people are trying to boost authority ratings in the blogosphere.  You can still acknowledge the person, just do not hotlink if they are bellicose about it.



no one is probably ever going to read this 18 hours after original posting.


Sat, 04/17/2010 - 03:36 | 305359 yabs
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so thats how they do Gods work

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 05:13 | 305379 hooligan2009
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what i like about zero hedge is the evolution of the contributors ability and  the hard work that goes into researching the hypocrisy. Tyler makes mistakes, he or she is not a god, but the drive to at least find the news and have an opinion then learn and grow is there for all to see. The contributors, the comments and the (sometimes light touch, sometimes very deep dive technical) wit intelligence and repartee make this forum one of the best to help me think filter and develop my understanding of where the future may lie. Zero Hedge plays a key role in the evolution of the media to "on demand" debate (including entertainment) and not editorial incompetence. News editors can set the scene, but we take and develop the story, not the editors. (First casualty in war and all that). Zero Hedge has spotted that TV hinders the release of news and fails to allow quality comment and access by people who actually know what is happening, rather than restrict itself to a soundbite of people they think know what is happening. Bravo to the site and keep fighting the good fight that points to solutions rather than simply addressing the past. (and please make the maths questions easier :) )

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 05:31 | 305380 yabs
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Zh is the best
I used to go to nathans economic edge blog but he blocked me for mentioning the word ZIONIST and not agreeing with his Freedoms vision. Seems Freedom in his view does not mean freedom of speech

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 05:55 | 305384 Bear
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ZH is best and I am a Zionist ... but we can keep that between us

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 01:28 | 306421 WaterWings
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Hooray for Apartheid!

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 05:52 | 305383 Bear
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Missed the Tech Ticker interview ... Yahoo

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 06:50 | 305401 Cheeky Bastard
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<Lil John> H-WHAT !!!!!!</Lil Jon>

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 12:22 | 305712 imaginalis
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Maybe he feels more of a back streeter these days

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 12:40 | 305727 Kalki
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WallStreeting? Using complex math in situations where human emotions reign supreme.


Like the math whiz who put a formula up on a board to predict whether the girl would go out with him. You know, instead of just asking her.



Sat, 04/17/2010 - 13:37 | 305790 partimer1
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We are here because Tyler exposes a lot of "big boys games" that you will never see in anywhere.  I am guessing Tyler is a big game player in the capital market or credit market.  he doesn't go on TV talking about his own book for that 15 minutes. He doesn't talk about any particular stock or option, instead, he talks about the national debt, big picture of economy, corruption in the financial systems. Comparing ZH with anyone out there is like a pissing contest between an adult and 3 yo.  

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 13:46 | 305797 Problem Is
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"ZH is a blogger who covers Wall Street. I am a Wall Streeter who blogs."

Well Tyler...

The Barry Ritholtz Lemma:

Opinions are like a-holes. Some are bigger than others.

(Lemma: Mathematical/Logic usage)

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 13:52 | 305806 Rick64
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Kicking the Barry down the road. Don't respond to the likes of these clowns. Let them wither away.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 13:59 | 305813 JW n FL
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******** "In May 2005, Ivandjiiski became employed by another firm, Miller Buckfire & Co. Nevertheless, before the financing deal for Hawaiian Holdings was announced, he obtained confidential documents that his former firm had prepared concerning the impending deal. On March 14, 2006, while in possession of that material, non-public information, Ivandjiiski bought 1000 shares of Hawaiian Holdings for $4.75 a share. On March 15th, when the new financing was publicly announced, the share price of Hawaiian Holdings increased 6%, to close at $5.30. On March 21, 2006, Ivandjiiski sold his 1,000 shares of Hawaiian Holdings stock for $5.53 per share, for a profit of $780." *******


The pedigree of Dan is true and correct... he follows in his Father footsteps, God Love and Protect Dan for the service he provides at no small measure of risk to himself financialy at the minimum... 


******** "Zero Hedge would distinguish itself as one of the most enterprising and the most combative, although not right away. The site was launched in January of this year, a few days after Dan Ivandjiiski, who lives on the Upper East Side, lost his job at Wexford Capital, a Connecticut-based hedge fund run by a former Goldman trader.  

Blogging may seem like an odd career shift for a well-paid hedge-fund analyst, but for Ivandjiiski, it marked something of a return to the family business: His father, Krassimir Ivandjiiski, is a writer and editor at Bulgaria Confidential, a tabloid known for its controversial investigative reporting. In 1996, the elder Ivandjiiski exposed what he said was political corruption and drug trafficking in, of all places, Montana, in a story republished in the U.S. in a shoestring periodical called Free Speech Newspaper." ***********

Someone posted this article the other day... Thank You whoever you were for the great read and info on our Guy Tyler!

I hope this helps people have a better grasp on Our Boy as opposed to the other Coward running his pie hole!

Sincerely, JW 

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 14:09 | 305826 JW n FL
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As well....

The hero of 'Zero,' Dan Ivandjiiski Section:

8:08p ET Tuesday, September 29, 2009

Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:

New York magazine's Joe Hagan has just written a wonderful profile of the pseudonymous market analyst and polemicist behind the crusading Zero Hedge Internet site, Dan Ivandjiiski, whose recent disclosures of U.S. government documents confirming gold market manipulation have powerfully reinforced GATA's work. The profile is headlined "The Dow Zero Insurgency" and you can find it at New York magazine's Internet site here:

CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.

There is a lot more out there.. but Tyler, or Dan and the many people he fronts for... are so very important to me.. and I am sure others... Thank You ALL! for helping in the fight for truth...

Sincerely, JW

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 14:12 | 305830 JW n FL
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How about some of his early work? seems like he is true to the message...


Comments Tagged "daniel ivandjiiski" Comments 1-4 of 4 Our Choice Posted by ivandjiiski | 10/09/08 08:48 AM EDT


One problem is that monetary policy is done - there is nothign the fed can do at this point to fix the broken market. Rates are at negative on real basis, govt is directly lending to the private sector, TARP, etc. people are waiting for a sign that things are improving and we steamrolled through what was supposed to be the green lights to buy. Market will likely keep overshooting to the downside for an indefinite period of time

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Enough Is Enough Posted by ivandjiiski | 10/06/08 09:29 PM EDT


With multiple contraction and 09 earnings quickly going down by half i would not be surprised to see the S&P at true correction levels of 12-13x adjusted earnings, ending 2009 at 500 or so.
Daniel Ivandjiiski

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U.S. Mortgage Meltdown Slams Bank Of China Posted by ivandjiiski | 08/28/08 09:39 PM EDT


Foreign investors hold $1.5 trillion of mortgage debt. Most foreign banks dont even realize how big the iceberg is, caught up in fighting the inflation that the U.S. is so stubbornly "immune" to if you believe the fed. But it is all good - the U.S. will just print some more $$$s, nobody will see the impact on M3 and the global economy will buy another year of breathing room while the rick get to convert their assets into rhodium or whatever else will not suffer the immense devaluation of all monetary instruments.
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Sat, 04/17/2010 - 14:16 | 305831 JW n FL
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Double Post.. Sorry.

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 14:15 | 305835 JW n FL
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It's hardly surprising that, as Hagan reports, Ivandjiiski was a big source for Matt Taibbi's conspiratorial assault on Goldman Sachs in Rolling Stone this July. Over the last several years, of course, Taibbi has been a regulator exponent of the Kos-ian view of politics. (It's also not surprising that Taibbi's piece, and therefore Ivandjiiski's view of Goldman, were carefully dissected on Kos's site.)


I did not know this... so I am sharing.. I know some of you are rolling your eyes at how someone could not know this... sorry for being ignorant of all the works of our Boy Tyler!

Gettum! Danny Boy! Gettum!

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 11:00 | 306583 Problem Is
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Scheiber: ZH is the Kos of Financial Blogs...WRONG

"Both have an aggressively anti-establishment, semi-conspiratorial worldview and are constantly fulminating against the powers that be ..."

" sellout Washington Democrats and their corporate overseers in the second..."

Scheiber is full of crap. Kos is full of dogmatic Obama Kool-Aid drinkers who spew fallacy ridden attacks at any one who questions their political Messiah propaganda... Look at Kos himself, uninformed sloganeering.

ZH Post Are Fact Based

Tyler digs up facts to support the positions of ZH and the readers are analytical in their assessments. I learn as much fact and information from ZH readers as Tyler's posts themselves.

That is the HUGE difference between ZH and a mindless schlock mill like Kos...

ZH readers actually read the posts before commenting... unlike Kos where many barely read the title before spewing the usual fallacies... I might as well read a Murdoch rag...

Sat, 04/17/2010 - 20:42 | 306164 Grand Supercycle
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Overtextended SP500 / DOW daily charts show more bearish warnings and the next few days will tell us more.

DOW chart :

Sun, 04/18/2010 - 10:34 | 306563 Remington IV
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Barry Ritholtz worked at penny-stock broker Maxim Group



is that his idea of Wall Street   ????????

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