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Some Bad And Some Good News On That Radiation Leak

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Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:22 | 1041389 Yen Cross
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I got some radiation for ya. I'm long usd/jpy!!! Rock on USD.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:29 | 1041441 Yen Cross
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Gotta love Homer (obumma ) Simpson?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:31 | 1041754 CPL
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Obama has the same media spin group the GoJ has. 

If anyone noticed the Media Spin group (GE) that is handling the affairs of the Nuclear contagion is the same folks that helped spin the Deepwater horizon.

 

Good times good times....we all know how that turned out...oh wait that one isn't done either, just forgotten.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:50 | 1041831 New_Meat
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CPL: GE Media Spin needed since this is the (Toshiba or Hitachi-San) early/first knockoff of the GE BWR 1/Mk I design.

#1041331

- Ned

 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:03 | 1041606 Michael
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Waiting till after the close of US markets for press release.  The Govspeak dialog on TV is utterly nauseating and I can't take it anymore.

Piers Corbyn on Alex Jones had great information on natural causes of quake.  AJ's got the real news on the situation.

Best to have the TV on mute for pictures and listen to this link for sound.

http://www.infowars.com/audiobox.html

 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:00 | 1041812 Spalding_Smailes
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 www.youtube.com

Japanese volcano now erupting ....

Almost simultaneously with the strong shock that hit Japan and triggered a giant tsunami in the Pacific, the Russian Kamchatka volcanoes erupted too. Eruption was accompanied by earthquakes.


http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout...

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:59 | 1041865 SWRichmond
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Waiting till after the close of US markets for press release.

Most credible report I've read all day.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:25 | 1041914 Spalding_Smailes
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WASHINGTON — A massive earthquake that struck off the coast of Japan Friday was the strongest quake in the area in nearly 1,200 years.

David Applegate, a senior science adviser for earthquake and geologic hazards for the U.S. Geological Survey, said the 8.9-magnitude quake ruptured a patch of the earth's crust 150 miles long and 50 miles across.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/us-says-japan-earthquake-869048.html

 

REPORT: 88,000 People Are Missing In Japan

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-missing-people-2011-3

 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:08 | 1041661 pazmaker
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Really?  I know looking at 1hour chart the jpy is looking over bought against USD  but yet the  is staying below $82...when do you think it will break?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:21 | 1041391 ExpendableOne
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Three eyed sushi.....

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:25 | 1041411 glenlloyd
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That only happens at the Springfield Nuclear Facility.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:39 | 1041499 SilverRhino
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Quantitative Radiation Easing: it only causes inflation in body parts.
Three eyes
three tits (hat tip: Total Recall)
Six fingers
Twelve toes.

Best a Japanese guy can hope for is two dicks.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:51 | 1041837 Zeilschip
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I like it. Three t!ts and two d!cks.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:28 | 1041936 WALLST8MY8BALL
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we can send them the Bernank and Timmuh!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:42 | 1041809 Cash_is_Trash
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Mutated sea bass baby!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:21 | 1041398 riffraffy
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Who are the biggest US nuclear contractors?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:26 | 1041728 CPL
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GE

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:52 | 1041841 New_Meat
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and Toshiba (which has rights to the GE ABWR design). - Ned

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:22 | 1041399 EscapeKey
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There is no problem, the problem is contained, the problem is minor.

Must have taken Bernanke's course on public speaking.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:23 | 1041407 themosmitsos
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dammit :(

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:23 | 1041412 Long-John-Silver
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It would be embarrassing if they told everyone a TSA Scanner emits more radiation then the soon to be released Nuclear Power Plant Radiation.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:43 | 1041505 SWRichmond
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If the fuel has not been breached, and I have no reason to believe it has, then this is a correct statement.  If what I think is about to happen, happens, most of what they're going to release is steam / heat, because they've lost their ultimate heat sink, the main condenser is offline due to power problems, etc etc.  The fuel continues to produce "decay heat" for some time after shutdown, and this heat must go somewhere.  It normally goes to steam which is them condensed in a closed system.  The closed system is no longer available, so it gets released to atmosphere.  Since it is a BWR, there is some small amount of radioactive release.

Also see: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/radiation-leak-feared-fukushima-nuclear...

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:51 | 1041556 Spalding_Smailes
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Yuji Kakizaki, said that plant workers were cooling the reactor with a secondary cooling system, which is not as effective as the regular cooling method. 

[link to www.theglobeandmail.com]

Banri Kaieda said that authorities were nearing a decision to release radioactive steam from a troubled nuclear reactor in a bid to ease a pressure build-up.

A spokesperson for Tokyo Electric Power, which runs the Fukushima No. 1 plant, told AFP: "Pressure has risen in the container of the reactor and we are trying to deal with it".


http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=249190#ixzz1GJoNTN2K 

 

 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:11 | 1041671 Jim in MN
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Two units have lost primary cooling at two plants.

Fukushima Daiichi and Onagawa.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20110311/sc_livescience/earthquakesputjapansnuclearreactorsonredalert

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:16 | 1041693 Spalding_Smailes
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Edano said plant workers were having trouble generating sufficient electricity to pump water into the cooling system. They were using all available backup electricity, he said. "The emergency shutdown has been conducted but the process of cooling down the reaction is currently not going as planned," he said.

 edition.cnn.com

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:16 | 1041694 SWRichmond
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The article you linked from yahoo, posted there a half hour ago, is itself merely a reproduction link to a three hour old report.  Need newer info.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:22 | 1041716 Jim in MN
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Um, that's kind of a wierd response...it's news to everyone here, apparently.   

If I find any live video feeds showing the control room dials I'll be sure to pass it on.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:30 | 1041753 SWRichmond
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The Fukishima report is old news.  The response is already underway there; cooling water is being pumped in.  Are there any other reports of the other problem?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:40 | 1041731 Spalding_Smailes
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FOX News, Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan announced the damage extended to a second power plant, Tohoku Electric Power Co. facility in Onagawa.

 

Over 100 aftershocks 4.5m

6.1m and a 6.2m on USGS 


 earthquake.usgs.gov

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:54 | 1041847 New_Meat
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S_S: your avatar has been proposed as the "final recourse." - Ned

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:11 | 1041674 SWRichmond
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Junk me, and then please engage me in a technical discussion about this event.  Ready?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:29 | 1041749 ColonelCooper
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You seem to have picked up a new President of the SWR fan club.  Now you can be junked simply for saying good morning.

You must have argued your case for fredom a little too well last night.  ;)

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:24 | 1041413 fuu
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So we are in the final season of West Wing all of a sudden? WTF is Alan Alda?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:31 | 1041416 Cdad
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Tyler,

LOLOLOLOLOL!  You kill me man...

You know radiation poisoning bullish!  Sheesh man, tell the people straight up.  Six finger is better and inflation is nowhere to be seen. 

Sweet!  What a day full of complete BS and nonsense and stupid people on TV.  All for free!

 

Additional:

And gold running back to highs is also bullish.

And oil reramping is bullish too, and massive insurance claims...and QE5!

And every fucking thing you can think of is bullish...including cataclysmic earthquakes and radiation contamination and unemployment....because a bunch of scum bag investment bankers and brokers say so...for these next 30 seconds anyway.

Fire hose please!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:07 | 1041880 centerline
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and BTFD!

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:25 | 1041418 MsCreant
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Let them eat iRadiation.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:25 | 1041420 Ignorance is bliss
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No doubt the news of a radiation leak damage is understated. I'm also sure any news from the nuculear reactor to news agencies are sketchy at best. I've been to nuclear facilities in the past and those places are like fort knox. The media knows very little about what is actually going on behind the scenes. I hope things are indeed controllable.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:52 | 1041575 Eally Ucked
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If the pressure rises and they have to release it that means they don't have enough coolant delivered to the reactor. Now it may mean the installation is damaged or they have problem with power (don't think so). If I understand it properly reactor has been already in shut down mode for some time (that's positive) but the critical thing is to deliver coolant (water), if that installation is damaged and they don't have enough kamikazes to fix it, good luck! 

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:59 | 1041599 dark pools of soros
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quick make a radiation tracker app for ipad2.. never let a crisis go to waste

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:57 | 1041601 Oh regional Indian
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These thigns are controllable thill they are not controllable, at which point they are called run-aways.

As in run-away from them.

Nuke power was always akin to an evil genie. No gettign away from the risk. Then you put them all over the map in a highly geo-active zone.

Also heard a Volcano is exploding in Russia (Kamchata?).

It looks like we are on. Or... it's on like Donkey Kong!

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/axis-trembles/

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:57 | 1041846 bankonzhongguo
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If you see little guys in white lab coats and helmets running AWAY from the reactor, take that as a sign.

Lets all pray this thing goes OK, because the USA is all downwind.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:26 | 1041422 FaithEqualsZero
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As long as there is no core damage the radiation/contamination released from the relief valves will be minimal.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:38 | 1041494 FaithEqualsZero
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The problem sounds like they are having trouble removing decay heat from the core causing temp and pressure to increase. Eventually the pressure will lift the emergency relief valves releasing pressure and removing some heat. Now the problem. If a relief valve sticks or they are unable to makeup the lost water the pressure will drop too much and the remaining water will flash over to steam in the core. This WILL cause core damage and be very bad. Junk me all you want, but having worked on operating reactors in the past these are the facts.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:47 | 1041555 Cognitive Dissonance
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Your credibility should not based upon you having worked on operating reactors. The question is were you able to keep them operating without hurting or killing anyone......that you know of?

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:00 | 1041614 SWRichmond
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read my above

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 16:56 | 1042026 FaithEqualsZero
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CD: Yes I never had any problems with my operations or maintenance activities. All of my kids have all the required body parts no extras or missing ones. It appears there may be some other nukes on the board here. What they have written is accurate.

Does anyone know if these reactors are pressurized water? or open boils? It appears they are pressurized water types. Everyone hears "nuclear" and get scared. The pressurized water reactors are really safe granted there safety systems are funtional (three mile). Boiling type reactors are not (think Chrenobyl)

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 17:21 | 1042084 SWRichmond
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All of the Fukushima plants are BWRs.  Chernobyl bears no resemblance to anything anywhere except in the former Soviet states.  The RBMK-1000 reactors are a nightmare, for many many technical reasons which will fly over the heads of everyone.  The operators there had manipulated the plant into a condition where water in the reactor was a net absorber of neutrons, so when the shift supervisor finally realized he was in the shitter and hit the scram button and the rods went in, they displaced water in the rod channels and the plant went prompt and blew up. "I pressed the scram button and then heard a boom."  Keff and all that. The designers designed a plant where such a condition was possible, though against procedure.  The operators were trying to set conditions for a turbine coastdown test just prior to a refueling shutdown, and they kept overshooting the desired conditions; they proceeded to defeat safety interlocks, several times, and use manual controls.

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 14:53 | 1041586 A Man without Q...
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I'm not an expert, but I know it uses sea water as coolant.  I assume there is a system to extract this water from the sea, i.e. pipes and filters.  Is it possible this is what is damaged, so they are unable to bring in water, i.e., this is not a problem with generators or electricity?

I remember the accident back in 1999 and the thing that struck me was the Japanese have a strange attitude to nuclear power - they need it, but they hate it and prefer to ignore it, so the nuclear industry has adapted to work in the shadows, and the lines of communication are poor, so if there's a problem, they keep quiet about it even more than usual for Japanese culture...  I don't think we are close to a melt-down, but I doubt we'd be told if we were...

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/15/business/worldbusiness/15iht-nuke.4924...

Fri, 03/11/2011 - 15:09 | 1041660 cornedmutton
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Sea water may be used as a secondary coolant in the heat exchangers that also have main coolant running through them, but there's absolutely no sea water running through the core. Not only is the chemistry prohibitive in that it could possible clog small coolant passages, but all the dissolved metal ions (sodium, for example) would be irradiated as they passed through the radioactive flux, thereby activating them and making them radioactive as well. Also, sea water is very corrosive and would not be a good match for the metal used in the construction of these surfaces, which are very strong, yet very susceptible to corrosion, etc.

I get the feeling from reading reports that they've lost their main power source and a) their emergency cooling system(s) are all non-functional, or b) they're emergency diesels are non-functional and they have no power to run any of the control systems and pumps needed to keep coolant flowing across the hot core.

 

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