Soros: “Financial System Remains Extremely Vulnerable… We Are On The Verge Of An Economic Collapse”

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Mon, 06/27/2011 - 07:34 | 1404944 doomandbloom
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Senator Palpatine speaks.. formation of the empire is near..

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 07:44 | 1404951 achmachat
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Dellow Felegates....!

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:27 | 1405006 TheEmperor
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Wipe them out...all of them.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 09:35 | 1405153 curbyourrisk
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Economy on brink of collapse.


Soros should know, he bet it would!

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 10:01 | 1405191 WaterWings
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Our society's crack-riddled brain wants to stop, but we still listen to this pusher, Soros.

It's madness that anyone trusts this guy after making a cool billion on the crash of the Pound. Madness!

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 10:33 | 1405294 Pegasus Muse
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Bankers Declare War on Commodities by Jeff Nielson, Friday, 24 June 2011 11:59

"Some may suggest that my choice of subject for this commentary is misplaced, given that the “reason” why the oil market plummeted yesterday was the big oil-dump of 60 million barrels by the International Energy Agency (IEA). My reply to that is that the response of all of the commodities markets to that news demonstrates conclusively that the bankers are attacking all commodities."

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 07:36 | 1404946 overmedicatedun...
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so Soros sold his gold recently as has been lie after another has worked for a very long time. I bet even Soros gets confused as to which lie he is promoting at the moment.

PM's are getting stronger against paper  who knew?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:27 | 1405005 Going Loco
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Er, no. Not at the moment they are not.

Read around a bit and what do you find? Liquidity is a problem. Cash (ie: instant access to computerised credits) is in short supply.

Nobody knows for certain, and those like Soros who might have a better chance of knowing will only tell you the things that will help them achieve their own objectives. But right now the squeeze seems to be on. If so, I think we are moving into Ruffer's "moment of deflationary fear" and it is only after we have experienced that phase that the "inflation of currency compromise" will make PMs the safe haven.

Meanwhile my most reliable source in the UK has issued a red alert to subscribers - ensure your bank deposits are below the (alleged) guaranteed deposit scheme, and he has listed the Uk banks in order of safety - some surprises for me in that list.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:42 | 1405030 cahadjis
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Interesting... Natwest anywhere there? Just asking, or maybe you can help us by saying who is this source? Thanks.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 10:18 | 1405252 fiddler_on_the_roof
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Nadeem walayat has given a list of UK banks which are safe in decreasing order. Goto

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 12:10 | 1405634 Going Loco
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Yes, it's Nadeem. That man has been the most consistently accurate forecaster of Uk financial affairs since I started reading him 3 years ago. Not sure I agree with his forecast for the Dow at the moment. Anyway, banks:

"The following table lists Britain's major retail banking groups (separate licences) in terms of the percentage probability that your deposits above the UK compensation limit of £85k and Euro-zone banks 100,000 (current £/E £86k) would be secure in the event of a series of euro-zone debt defaults starting with Greece and that the crisis is contained to these smaller peripheral euro-zone countries i.e. Greece, Portugal and Ireland, if Spain comes under real risk of default then that would require a revaluation of this list as banks such as Santander would come under far greater pressure given exposure to Spanish government debt."

NatWest is down at the bottom. 5%  probability Deposits over £85k are Safe

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 13:47 | 1405927 eureka
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"Not sure I agree with his forecast for the Dow at the moment."

All technical, chartist, cycle "analysis" exist in "naturalistic" - i.e. romantic vacuums; there are no natural laws governing leveraged, manipulated finance - rather, one must consider political power games and popular perception as co-forces of globalist, casino-capitalism.

US Republicans will lose the next election if they do not get sufficient US budget cuts in return for continuous incrementally raised US budget ceilings, which govern the amount of issuable US debt. Consequently US debt issuance, and thus US equities-pump, will subside.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:45 | 1405035 Iam_Silverman
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"so Soros sold his gold recently as has been rumored"

Here, I'll edit that for you....

So, Soros sold his soon to be worthless ETF shares recently, as has been rumored.

Doesn't that make it more accurate?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 09:04 | 1405068 White.Star.Line
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Soros did not sell any gold.
He did sell a substantial amount of gold shares, however.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 07:47 | 1404954 King_of_simpletons
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*clap clap clap*......

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 07:48 | 1404955 hungarianboy
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Problem is that when Soros starts to talk, position is always going the opposite direction.

Also the fact that GS Tech is saying short EU could implicate that to many are on the short side and a snap back could be expected.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 07:51 | 1404958 PaperBear
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Do ZH readers still say "buying gold" or "buying silver" ?

The act of "buying gold/silver" is actually EXCHANGING toilet paper for gold/silver.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:48 | 1405040 Iam_Silverman
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"Do ZH readers still say "buying gold" or "buying silver" ?"

I always say that I'm going down to the coin shop to get some change.  Isn't that what it's called when you hand someone paper bills and get coins in return?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 11:42 | 1405563 bagpiper
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Mon, 06/27/2011 - 07:58 | 1404964 Zero Govt
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got a feeling George will do well in riding out the approaching (fast) Hell Storm but despite being a sharp cookie he still talks some rubbish:

the Euro is not backed by a political union or joint treasury, so when something goes wrong with a participating country, there is "no provision for correction."

The Euro as a patent fact has out-preformed both the US Dollar and Sterling over the past decade, both of whom have his beloved central banks. It seems having a central bank is not an advantage over a rag-bag de-centralised system such as Europe has, indeed both have under-performed the disparate Euro system

And will the US and UK's central banks save or resolve anything better in the coming Depression? Absolutely unequivicably not. All 3 zones will suffer the exact same economic turmoil, central banks proving once again their worthlessness and absolute uselessness both in rising and declining economies.

Sorry George, State monopolies are under-performing garbage, you're talking complete crap (again)

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 07:56 | 1404966 QuantTrader
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After partying with his son in the hamptons this past weekend, I wouldn't beleive anything the old man says

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:18 | 1404991 oddjob
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If the Hamptons is a gay bar, I believe you.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 10:08 | 1405203 WaterWings
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"Okay, close your eyes, and just pretend it's the Hamptons."

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 07:54 | 1404968 Coffin Dodger
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To anyone who hasn't already: MAKE PLANS

1) Stockpile food and water NOW

2) Select a house to all meet at as far from cities as possible, from amongst your circle of trusted friends/relatives

3) Convince anyone you trust to accept your plan. Sell it as a 'worst-case scenario'. Numbers will be VERY important

4) Ensure EVERYONE has enough gasoline stored to reach the chosen destination

5) Ensure you have means to defend yourselves

6) Tell NO ONE outside your circle what your plans are

You'll know the time has come when you turn on your TV and the gov't has bugged out.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 07:58 | 1404972 Greeny
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Buy bomb-proof Nuclear bunker and hide there for

the rest of your miserable live, like a rat, what a freak.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:08 | 1404976 Zero Govt
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Coffin Dodger

You're almost as hysterical as Timmay on the deficit ceiling! Are you preparing for an asteroid attack, super-tsunami or a nuclear war?

Check the last Great Depression, 1929-34, and you'll see all sectors of business stayed open including water, food retailers, clothes and pretty much everything. There will be no shortage of anything, in fact businesses will be keen as mustard for your custom. Be prepared only for a culling of the business sector, not a killing. So relax. . .

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:37 | 1405014 moonstears
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Kinda true. Vast numbers didn't use city/state services, at that time(water from wells, minimal electricity, say just 6 lights and a few plugs for the radio). I've told my loved ones, this is how it works...currency breaks down goods and services remain, but for at LEAST a few weeks the object of desired trade or barter for those goods goes out the window..."Dollars? Give me something I can use!".

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:41 | 1405026 TheDriver
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I have no issues with people preparing but this line of thinking always cracks me up: "4) Ensure EVERYONE has enough gasoline stored to reach the chosen destination". No one will be driving anywhere if TSHTF. This is what I-95 looks like on a good day in DC --

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 11:50 | 1405583 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Some of us live in what you in the East call "fly over country" and we actually have room to breathe.


Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:43 | 1405031 knowless
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i don't know how many times i've said this; but during the last great depression 97% of the population didn't live in global import dependant cities.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 09:14 | 1405087 ibjamming
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Government dependent cities...

Without SNAP, section 8, and general welfare...the cities would already look like the pictures of the great depression.  Bread lines, people living in tents in the parks...we'd have all that now without the government programs.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 09:31 | 1405142 Silver Dreamer
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Exactly. Comparing the coming collapse to the Great Depression is foolishness.  Back then 90% of the population lived in rural areas and was NOT dependent on the government for anything.  Now consider today's exact opposite scenario of 90% in urban areas.  That retreat or bunker is beginning to look like a good idea, not a paranoid one.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 09:53 | 1405171 Zero Govt
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i agree this will be worse than the 1929 Great Depression but for every benefit they had in their day and for every Govt dependency we have today there's still technological advancement for our better keeping ...the Web should prove a real boon to sharing ideas, barter and trade etc ...regards Cities being dependent on international trade what's wrong with that? It's unlikely to break down, just contract, in fact it's a productive bonus (flexibility of supply etc) over 1929... as for us huddled in suburbia instead of out in the sticks again human interaction is always a positive not a negative, that's why towns and Cities and got larger in the first place, the opportunities of so much more on offer in urban areas for comfort and quaility of life

No need to add lots more negatives to a dire economic situation, we can prepare without need of bunkers, bullets and storing oil in drums 

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 10:00 | 1405187 ibjamming
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Huh?  Did you forget that half the people living in the cities are going to suddenly be broke and starving?  It's good for YOU...but not for them.  Riots WILL ensure.  The cities won't be safe.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 11:34 | 1405535 Monedas
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No one ever starved in Kansas ! Your bomb shelter can double as a tornado shelter ? Monedas 2011 Digging for the Truth !

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 10:48 | 1405395 Captain Planet
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i'm concerned they're going to outlaw farming in the northeast, on grounds of public health, so i'm a little hesitant to start there.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 11:49 | 1405572 Tuco Benedicto ...
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7,000,000 Americans died of malnutrition/starvation in the Great Depression!  Given your attitutde, you would have been amongst them.  Have fun!


Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 07:55 | 1404969 Greeny
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Well, Soros full of S**, as month ago he reported that he sold all his GOLD, and now he's probably shorting EUR, Good luck, old fart, betting against China, which are buying EUR debt.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 07:55 | 1404970 anony
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Soros didn't become a multibillionaire by giving away his moves.

His public credibility is worthless.  Until he publishes his Trade confirmations, so are his public utterances.

This informatino is null. Unless filtered thru a Soros decoder ring.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:01 | 1404974 Ghordius
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Hemm... what is the best way to get at large quantities of physical gold? If I could, this would be my way:

1. buy ETF's
2. wait
3. redeem ETF's with physical gold
4. tell everybody my gold ETF position has decreased
5. wait and see

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:05 | 1404978 Temporalist
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Ron Paul on the Gold Standard – June 26th 2011


China's Move Away from the U.S. Dollar Means You Need to Invest in the Yuan

""China admits to buying small quantities of gold - about $50 billion in the last year. But it may be buying a lot more gold - and silver, as Imperial China was on a silver standard, not a gold standard," said Money Morning Contributing Editor Martin Hutchinson."

Can Gold Save the Euro?

"Professor Robert Mundell urges gold convertibility for the euro, the currency which he fathered, as well as for the dollar."

"Mundell: [T]here could be a kind of Bretton Woods type of gold standard where the price of gold was fixed for central banks and they could use gold as an asset to trade central banks.

The great advantage of that was that gold is nobody’s liability and it can’t be printed. So it has a strength and confidence that people trust. So If you had not just the United States but the United States and the euro tied together to each other and to gold, gold might be the intermediary and then with the other important currencies like the yen and Chinese yuan and British pound all tied together as a kind of new SDR that could be one way the world could move forward on a better monetary system."


Mon, 06/27/2011 - 11:42 | 1405549 Tuco Benedicto ...
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It is my understanding that the Euro is backed 15% by gold!?



Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:10 | 1404980 falak pema
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if you want gold buy lead...if you want lead buy Land...if you want land buy a cow...if you want a cow buy a calf...if you want a calf buy  a half moon...if you want a half moon buy a laugh... Then you'll know that the best things in life are free...

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:10 | 1404981 Tater Salad
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Soros sold his ETF holdings as this is public knowledge.  However, he reinvested the proceeds in a manager that buys nothing but gold and gold stocks.  So much for "selling" gold.

He just repositioned so that the public couldn't follow his each and every move through the 13F.



Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:11 | 1404983 Pseudo Anonym
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Soros, given his political activism, may have decided that he did not want continuing publicity regarding his large ETF gold holding.

and therefore, the treacherous jew who sent many of other jews into gas chambers, took delivery on his ETF's and stores his bullion now in hofjuden vaults.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:11 | 1404988 tradewithdave
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The probable inevitability of Soros agenda of libertarian paternalism and the new and improved gold backed SDR has the surprising plot twist of "End The Fed."

Dave Harrison

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:17 | 1404989 Yen Cross
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 The last Bastian of Rusky Liberalism!

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:31 | 1405008 Temporalist
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Soros is not Russian...

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 11:31 | 1405527 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Right!  He came to this earth straight from the bowels of hell!


Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 08:14 | 1404990 ivana
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he's not investor

he's corrupt insider and bankster "facility"

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