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Soros Sells Gold ETF While Paulson Buys - PIMCO Favour Gold As A “Protection Against What Can Go Wrong”

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Soros Sells Gold ETF While Paulson Buys - PIMCO Favour Gold as a “Protection Against What Can Go Wrong”

Gold and silver are higher today while sterling is stronger and the
Japanese yen has again come under pressure. The yen has weakened on
deepening concerns about the Japanese economy and the BOJ Governor said
that the Japanese economy is in a “very severe state”.

Gold is trading at $1,491/oz, £919/oz, €1,055/oz and 121,850 yen per ounce.

Cross Currency Rates

Sterling is firmer today despite UK inflation accelerating again
more than economist forecast in April with consumer prices rising 4.5%.
Inflation remains a real threat to developed and emerging markets
which will lead to continued buying of gold and silver.

Gold’s correction has been slow and gradual (unlike silver) and it is
down 4.5% in US dollar terms so far in May. However in euro terms gold
is flat on the month with gold consolidating in euro terms and looking
like it may soon challenge the record high of €1,072/oz.

This is especially the case as the risk posed by Eurozone debt
markets is not going away anytime soon and indeed contagion remains a
real risk.

Euro Gold – 1 Year (Daily)

The confirmation of George Soros ETF gold sale has again garnered
much media comment. Soros’ $28 billion fund decreased its holdings of
the SPDR Gold Trust, the exchange traded fund.

Soros had bought gold to protect against possible deflation, though
his fund now believes there is a reduced chance of such a condition, the
Wall Street Journal recently said, “citing people close to the

Should Soros and his fund think that inflation is now a greater risk
than deflation then it is curious that they would sell all their ETF
holdings. It is also curious as Soros is on record regarding having
serious concerns regarding the outlook for the euro and the dollar and
the dollar as reserve currency of the world.

There is of course the precedent of other hedge fund managers , such
as David Einhorn, who have also sold their gold ETF holdings but
bought physical bullion in allocated accounts due to a concern about
counter party and systemic risk.

It is quite possible that Soros’ fund has adopted a similar strategy.

This would allow Soros to discreetly accumulate bullion away from
the public and media spotlight that result from SEC filings.

Paulson & Co., the $36 billion hedge fund founded by John
Paulson kept its largest holding - $4.41 billion in the SPDR Gold
Trust. Paulson’s belief in gold is seen in the fact that those who buy
his fund can have their stakes denominated in gold rather than in
dollars, meaning the value of their investment rises and falls with the
price of bullion – lessening exposure to the dollar.

Paulson, unlike Soros, is on record as having purchased gold to protect against inflation.

PIMCO, the largest bond fund in the world, are also increasingly
allocating funds to gold in their global equities portfolio. “The
largest position in [our] fund is gold, which we think is a very good
form of protection against what can go wrong,” said Anne Gudefin,
PIMCO’s global equities portfolio manager, told Fortune magazine May

The Soros sale may lead to selling at the margin today by guru driven sellers reading simplistic articles.

However, Soros ETF sale is of far less importance than the much less
reported upon and analysed investment demand, pension demand and
central bank demand from Asia and internationally.

This demand is coming from a very low base and is sustainable. It is
prudent diversification, store of value, safe haven buying and not the
rampant speculation involving over allocation and leverage one would
associate with a bubble.



Gold is trading at $1,494.47/oz, €1,053.04/oz and £918.88oz.


Silver is trading at 34.16/oz, €24.07/oz and £21/oz.

Platinum Group Metals

Platinum is trading at $1,769.70oz, palladium at 716/oz and rhodium at $2,025/oz.


(Bloomberg) -- Gold Halts Two-Day Drop as Growth Concerns Eclipse Soros Sales

Gold gained, halting a two-day drop, as declines in Asian stocks and
commodities helped ignite demand for safer assets even after
billionaire investor George Soros sold most of his exchange-traded
bullion holdings.

Immediate-delivery gold rose 0.4 percent to $1,495.22 an ounce at
11:54 a.m. in Mumbai. Silver futures were little changed at $34.085 an
ounce, while cash silver advanced 2 percent to $34.2750, rebounding
from a 5.1 percent decline yesterday.

Asian stocks fell for a fourth day on concern that the global
economic recovery is slowing. Data today may show U.S. housing starts
hovered in April around the lows reached during the recession, while
growth in industrial production slowed.

Soros Fund Management LLC held 49,400 shares of SPDR Gold Trust as of
March 31, compared with 4.721 million at end-December, according to
the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. It also sold all 5 million
shares in iShares Gold Trust.

“Soros was sitting on a huge profit and like a lot of investors of
late, he was happy to take those profits off the table,” said Gavin
Wendt, founding director at MineLife Pty in Sydney. “That shouldn’t
surprise people. Gold has been rising for a decade for fundamental
reasons, which haven’t gone away.”

Accelerating inflation, Europe’s debt crisis, a weakening dollar and
fighting in Libya boosted the spot price of the metal to an all-time
high of $1,577.57 an ounce on May 2. The metal increased 5 percent this
year after a 30 percent rally in 2010, keeping it on course for an 11th
straight annual advance.

Portugal Bailout

European finance ministers endorsed a 78 billion-euro ($111 billion)
bailout for Portugal, while stepping up pressure on Greece to sell
assets and deepen spending cuts in exchange for an increase in its
rescue. India’s inflation index accelerated 8.66 percent in April from a
year ago, topping an 8.5 percent rise forecast in a Bloomberg Survey,
data showed yesterday.

The dollar gained as much as 0.4 percent against six major
currencies following a drop of 0.2 percent yesterday. The index
weakened 4.3 percent this year.

The decade-long surge in gold attracted investors seeking better
returns than equities or bonds and an alternative to currencies,
helping boost holdings in exchange-traded products backed by bullion to
a record in December. ETP holdings have slipped 3.6 percent from the

Touradji Capital, founded by billionaire Paul Touradji, sold all of
its shares in the SPDR Gold Trust during the first quarter, according
to a filing to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. The fund
held 173,000 shares at the end of the fourth quarter, the filing showed
on May 13.

‘Another Run Higher’

“To the extent that Soros is respected by investors, I guess it
implies that it will sew doubt in their minds and might see some
investors leave the space,” David Thurtell, Singapore-based head of
metals research with Citigroup Inc. Still, “we think gold can have
another run higher.”

Paulson & Co., the U.S. hedge fund run by John Paulson,
maintained 31.55 million shares in the SPDR Gold Trust, according to a
government filing.

Eric Mindich’s Eton Park Capital Management LP reduced its stake in
the SPDR Gold Trust by 48 percent during the first quarter, according
to a government filing. Eton Park sold 2.165 million shares, cutting
its holdings to 2.328 million as of March 31, the filing shows.

Palladium demand outpaced supply by the most in a decade last year
and the shortage will continue in 2011 on higher usage by carmakers and
falling shipments from Russian stockpiles, Johnson Matthey Plc said.
Immediate-delivery palladium increased 1.1 percent to $721.75 an ounce,
while platinum rose 1.1 percent to $1,777.25 an ounce.

(Bloomberg) -- Paulson Takes $1 Billion Hewlett-Packard Stake, Adds to Gold Bet

Paulson & Co., the $36 billion hedge fund founded by John
Paulson, took a stake in Hewlett-Packard Co. and increased its holding
of Transocean Ltd., adding companies undergoing transformations to its
bets on gold.

Paulson bought 25 million shares in Hewlett-Packard, valued at about
$1 billion, according to a regulatory filing yesterday. The New
York-based fund added 17.3 million shares of Transocean, lifting its
stake to 7.7 percent and making Paulson the largest holder of the
Vernier, Switzerland-based offshore driller.

The hedge fund has said it expects to make money in the next two
years with the stocks of companies going through bankruptcy,
restructuring or reorganization. Transocean, the owner and operator of
the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig that exploded a year ago, was sued
by BP Plc last month for billions of dollars in damages related to the
oil spill. Hewlett-Packard is pushing deeper into software to try to
reverse a 16 percent drop in its shares over the past year.

Armel Leslie, a spokesman for Paulson, declined to comment on the
stock purchases. Leo Apotheker, who took over as Hewlett-Packard’s
chief executive officer Nov. 1, outlined his strategy for the first
time on March 14. The company is starting a cloud-computing service
that will let developers create applications for consumers and
businesses that run on HP servers, Apotheker said at the time.

Apotheker told top executives earlier this month that he’s bracing
for “another tough quarter” in the Palo Alto, California-based
company’s fiscal third quarter and urged deputies to “watch every penny
and minimize all hiring.” HP said in February that sales for its
second quarter, which ended in April, would miss analysts’ sales and
profit estimates.

Betting on Takeovers

Hewlett-Packard declined 61 cents, or 1.5 percent, to $39.80
yesterday, and fell as much as 5.1 percent in extended trading.
Transocean has dropped 26 percent since the April 20, 2010, explosion
of the Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico. It rose 7 cents to
$68.49 in New York yesterday.

Paulson’s largest fund, Advantage Plus, which bets on corporate
events such as takeovers and bankruptcies, lost 1.7 percent this year
through April with its dollar-denominated shares.

Transocean, the world’s largest offshore driller, this month
reported its biggest first-quarter profit decline in nine years amid a
worldwide surfeit of rigs used to find oil and natural gas. New U.S.
drilling rules enacted after last year’s disaster increased costs and
forced the company to spend more time carrying out shipyard work during
the quarter, Transocean has said.

Gold Stakes

Paulson also bought 6 million shares in Lubrizol Corp., the
engine-additives maker that Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc.
agreed in March to buy for about $9 billion. Wickliffe, Ohio-based
Lubrizol said this month its plan to sell itself is unaffected by
disclosures of David Sokol’s investments in the firm as he pushed for
Buffett, his then-boss at Berkshire Hathaway, to buy the firm. Paulson’s
stake in Lubrizol was valued at about $804 million.

Paulson kept his $4.41 billion holding of shares in the SPDR Gold
Trust unchanged and added to stakes in mining companies including
Johannesburg-based AngloGold Ashanti Ltd.

His fund bought 97,540 American depositary receipts in South Africa’s
biggest gold producer last quarter, as well as 2 million ADRs in Gold
Fields Ltd., its second-largest producer.

Paulson has been betting on a global economic recovery, and has
purchased gold to protect against inflation. Paulson’s investors can
choose to have their stakes denominated in gold rather than dollars,
meaning the value of their investment rises and falls with the price of
the bullion.

Soros Sells

George Soros, the billionaire founder of Soros Fund Management LLC,
sold most of his holdings in the bullion-backed SPDR Gold Trust and
iShares Gold Trust funds in the first quarter, while buying shares of
mining companies Goldcorp Inc. and Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold

Soros’s fund held 49,400 shares of SPDR Gold Trust as of March 31,
compared with 4.721 million at the end of the fourth quarter. The New
York-based fund sold all 5 million shares it held in iShares Gold
Trust. Soros bought 301,300 shares of Freeport-McMoRan and 7,600 of


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Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:17 | 1282276 ZeroPower
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Basketball poles? Theres more important stuff to look out for...

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:11 | 1282273 I am a Man I am...
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looking for recommendations on where to buy gold bullion stored in allocated accounts inside and outside of US

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:16 | 1282277 Michael Victory
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Ever heard of Midnight Gardening?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:20 | 1282279 Crisismode
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I've heard that the Canadian seeds grow faster than the American or South African varieties. Any truth to that rumor?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:37 | 1282280 Michael Victory
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plant all three.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:24 | 1282281 I am a Man I am...
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looking for somewhere mainly outside US that is in a very secure location, thinking singapore, or switzerland

it would be more than I would feel comfortable with burying in my yard

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:41 | 1282305 Temporalist
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Jim Rogers and Marc Faber both like Singapore I believe.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:01 | 1282341 razorthin
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SGOL - Swiss vaults.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:43 | 1282927 DosZap
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The Swiss are whores, they will sell you put to the IRS in a nanno second.

NO institution on this planet is as safe as you holding your own.

The tentacles of the Feds is worldwide.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:14 | 1283053 Ratscam
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rent a safe-deposit box with a small regional bank in Switzerland, something like Sparkasse or Kantonalbank. Stay away from the big banks in big towns. Singapore is a good diversification as well.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:26 | 1282282 ivana
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Coming soon in MSM near you:

Soros bullish on US bonds!

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:46 | 1282432 oddjob
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Thanks to J.W. this month for showing us what Soros actually is, a whore for the cabal.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:26 | 1282283 Math Man
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My guess is Soros is now SHORT gold...

According to the 13F, he was out on 3/31 - but was rumored to be selling two weeks ago.

Zero Position on 3/31 + Additional selling in May = Short position.


Buy puts.  Only 20 implied vol....  they don't get much cheaper than that.


Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:09 | 1282361 luk427
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He sold shares in the gold scam gld, but increased his position in gold mining stock.He could have also taken delivery of physical when he got out of gld. Big difference from shorting gold. Media scum bags know when to pull out news, put a spin on it to fuck with people's heads. Shit sounds like the bin Laden BS as well. 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:18 | 1282370 Math Man
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Re-read the article.  Paulson increased holdings of the Miners, not Soros.  Soros, had small increases in his miner holdings... but sold almost $700mm worth of GLD.

And PS, GLD is not a 'paper' scam...  it is fully backed by allocated physical Gold.  There is an audit and bar list on the website. 


Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:21 | 1282383 Fred C Dobbs
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From Harvey Organ's blog


he two ETF's that I follow are the GLD and SLV. You must be very careful in trading these vehicles as these funds do not have any beneficial gold or silver behind them. They probably have only paper claims and when the dust settles, on a collapse, there will be countless class action lawsuits trying to recover your lost investment.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:47 | 1282431 Math Man
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Yeah, you should definetaly trust Harvey Organ over the prospectus. 

What part of ALLOCATED don't you undertand???????

There is physical ALLOCATED metal backing these ETFs... 

ALLOCATED metal means there is only one title....  Are you guys fucking stupid?


Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:53 | 1282456 Smiddywesson
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Federal employees just learned that their pensions aren't really allocated.

Social security is supposed to be a fund.  Those funds aren't allocated.

I don't really trust what Wall Street says.  If that makes me "f*** stupid" well, I guess I'm stupid.  From my perspective, trusting is stupid.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:55 | 1282683 gmrpeabody
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Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:57 | 1282475 tmosley
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What part of "past fraud defended as standard industry practice" don't you understand?

Here, maybe an actual example might

And it's still going on:

If "allocated means there is only one title", then why do you keep claiming that metal from SLV can be used to settle demands for delivery from the COMEX?  You can't have it both ways.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:03 | 1282490 Math Man
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Dumbshit, any short can buy the shares, take delivery and use the physical to settle.

And actually, I think COMEX lets you deliver the shares directly.




Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:58 | 1282656 Hard1
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Did you happen to read the links????  Morgan stanley and UBS said they "bought" ALLOCATED gold on behalf of clients and didn't buy the gold, a small "operational omission" that wasn't noticed until clients asked for delivery.   ALLOCATED or not, you get an IOU from a bank telling you there is gold backing that piece of paper that they willingly give you in exchange for your hard earned money....sounds familiar?????  No, I won't ask who is the dumbshit now, time give you your place.  Do you think you are a genius just because you can type ALLOCATED in caps???? oh, by the way, time is up.... Dumbshit!

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:02 | 1282655 Ag Tex
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Big snipe hunt planned.  All the guys would really like for you to come along!

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:24 | 1283086 DosZap
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Try geting ALLOCATED out of them.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:41 | 1282416 tmosley
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It sure is funny how you claim they aren't a scam on one hand, while you claim that their gold and silver is available to satisfy those standing for delivery at the COMEX on the other.  That's like saying you aren't bankrupt so long as someone who uses your bank has money.


Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:57 | 1282448 Math Man
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Because they are NOT a scam and backed 100% by physical, they can be used.

Is that too hard to understand?  Because you can take physical delivery from the ETF through an AP,  you can use them to settle a COMEX contract.  There is real GOLD there...


And, PS, the short is the one who forces delivery on the long, not the other way around.  Any short can buy shares of GLD or SLV and use the physical backing for settlement...  and actually, it is my understanding that  COMEX allows you to directly deliver the shares now.  BECAUSE THEY ARE THE EQUIVALENTS.




Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:02 | 1282484 tmosley
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lol, except there are fewer than 30 market participants that can actually redeem the shares for metal.

And you seem to think we should all sell our gold and silver before all this buying pressure hits GLD and SLV from the COMEX.  What the fuck is wrong with you, you blithering moron?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:02 | 1282497 Math Man
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Wrong again...  Any player can have the AP do the exchange ON THEIR BEHALF.  Just like Einhorn did.

And, FYI, the volume for one contact is nothing compared to the average daily volume.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:12 | 1282761 tmosley
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Uh-huh.  An insider did it, so ANYONE can do it!  

Enron called, they want their accounting strategies back.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:45 | 1283182 DosZap
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Duh, remember the dudes that tried to remove THEIR Phys  Silver from Crimex?.

They could not get Silver, they were forced to take 20-40% cash instead.

FRN's are not Silver.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:52 | 1282442 Smiddywesson
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Do the math, Man.

$700 million is 2.5% of his $28 billion fund.

That's hardly a major move for Soros.  I would guess he took the easy money and ran.  On the other hand, it's could also be in response to the safety of the ETF, which is becoming increasingly unsafe.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:03 | 1282703 Hard1
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Yo are the one who should re-read.  I'll quote and make it easy for you  "This would allow Soros to discreetly accumulate bullion away from the public and media spotlight that result from SEC filings."

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:45 | 1282422 luk427
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"George Soros, the billionaire founder of Soros Fund Management LLC, sold most of his holdings in the bullion-backed SPDR Gold Trust and iShares Gold Trust funds in the first quarter, while buying shares of mining companies Goldcorp Inc. and Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc. "              You should learn how to read the article before you spread your bullshit,or in your case BEARSHIT.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:48 | 1282438 Math Man
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He sold $650mm+ of GLD, while buying 15mm of FCX and 350k worth of GG....

Great swap... he bought back 2.3% of the Gold he sold in Miners...



Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:02 | 1282709 Hard1
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You cannot know how much he bought back...again, re-read "This would allow Soros to discreetly accumulate bullion away from the public and media spotlight that result from SEC filings."

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:09 | 1282715 Hard1
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Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:45 | 1282939 DosZap
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You can bet your ass SOROS has a shitload of Physical.

That scummy bstd is as crooked as GS.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:40 | 1282634 halcyon
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According to GuruFocus:

Most held ETF by "guru" followed investors: GLD

Most bought ETF last quarter: GLD

Second most sold ETF last quarter: GLD

According to Alphaclone, GLD ETF positions were increased by 53 in the Q4/10 quarter (Q1/2011 data not yet in their service)

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:27 | 1282284 MarketTruth
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Question: Soros could have 'cashed in' his GLD for actual physical metal from GLD. Perhaps that happened. So the queston is, did Soros cash in his shares and take physical delivery of gold from the ETF?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:57 | 1282326 Butchery101
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I bet he did, MT, I bet he did !


Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:00 | 1282472 wirtschaftswunder
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Yeah, he's storing it in coffe cans in the back yard. He'll schlep it down to the local coin dealer during armageddon to buy more ammo and turkish carpets. 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:18 | 1282374 Math Man
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Sure.  Yeah.  That is it.  He still has it, even after it went up over 5x in in 10 years and he called it the 'ultimate' bubble.


Seriously, you still have time to get out.  Sell your Gold NOW... it is going to be much lower.  The Chinese and Indians are the biggest buyers because they have an inflation problem.   Now that they are both tightening, Gold demand is only going lower...    Have fun back below $1000.


Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:41 | 1282424 tmosley
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Your agenda is showing.

He called it the "ultimate bubble" while secretly buying it.

I guess the troll brigade saw that we caught them shifting sentiment from telling people to sell ALL PM's to "sell silver buy gold", so now jackass here is trying to make up for it.  He knows he is the least credible of his bunch, so he is trying to pretend as if sentiment hadn't shifted.

You guys need to find a dumber audience.  Really.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:44 | 1282430 luk427
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HE said it would be the ultimate bubble.    That does not imply that it is a bubble yet.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:59 | 1282469 Math Man
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Why aren't you?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:02 | 1282499 tmosley
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No, he sold two months ago, dumbshit.  No-one but him knows what he is doing now.

Your agenda is showing.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:51 | 1282957 DosZap
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Can you spell P_A_P_E_R??????????????.

He NEVER owned any physical in GLD.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 14:41 | 1283990 Atlas Shrieked
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Because I'm not a bumbling dumb fuck like you.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:01 | 1282478 Math Man
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Is my Agenda of trying to protect idiot sheeple like yourself showing?

PMs are going much lower from here.  Get out while you can.

The fast hedge fund money that was pushing up the price for the last couple of years is leaving.

You should too.

And not to mention the Chinese and Indian tightening that is going to reduce demand from the biggest buyers...

Goodbye Gold, Goodbye Silver.


Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:06 | 1282502 tmosley
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lol, you think that those people that are counted as less than 0.5% of the population are "sheeple".  

Take your advice, and shove it up your ass.  Neither it, nor you are wanted here.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:01 | 1282479 wirtschaftswunder
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Silver is down 30%. Why?  It's all those dumbass sellers, that's why.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:04 | 1282492 tmosley
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lol, yeah right.  Then why is China out of silver, and India can barely keep it on the shelves?   Why are COMEX inventories at record lows even as open interest is at record highs?

Time for a new user name.  This one's used up, crackhead.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:01 | 1282493 Smiddywesson
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Maybe so if the economy recovers.  It will never happen.

Maybe so if the central banks of the world were not still buying.

Maybe so if the US debt were not already past the point of no return.

Maybe so if Math Man can explain how raising the debt ceiling is going to solve our problems, because Timmy says we are going bankrupt without more debt. 

LOL, boy am I scared.  To save the currency, they have to crash the economy and put us on a gold standard.  Gold goes up if they succeed.

If they fail, and the dollar is broken, gold goes up.

I don't care about the near term.

Oh, and GLD?  Your deed was supposed to back your promissory note, but it didn't.  Unthinkable

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:53 | 1283242 DosZap
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Uh, the Chinese and the Indians HAVE been the largest buyers WAY before the inflation bug hit.

India is/has been the largest owner/buyers of physical year in /out almost always.

What about Russia?, and other countries that have been increasing reserves?.

And not because of inflation scares.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:28 | 1282287 scratch_and_sniff
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Russell Napier on FT Long Veiw - "buy S& 400". Sees carnage, no mention of PM's.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:42 | 1282291 Oh regional Indian
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So, more paper play. Not clear if PIMCO is a paper or physical play.

My instincts say paper. So the big boys continue to dice with paper. And when all paper burns (as it will/has to), where is the saftey net? What are they talking about?

Big ETF plays are PHYS bullish. 

And things are going wrong. Clearly. Already. Crazy moves (DSK) have begun.



Edit: Golden boy below wrote that it was a huge transfer from paper to Physical for Soros through the SPDR sales. Makes sense.


Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:06 | 1282510 Smiddywesson
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The big boys are trading paper because "when the music is playing, you have to get up and dance."  Paper has nothing to do with the fundamentals of the economy, the fiat currency, and PMs.  The Fed ordered a hit, and they are trading the price action.  It's just paper.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:53 | 1282294 pauldia
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Just like banks hide their off the books derivative trades Soros can hide his accumulation of physical gold in allocated accounts. Why should either be allowed. Investors in either Soros's funds or large banks should seek disclosure for risk and simple transparency. The House of Representatives should at the very least hold hearings on these undisclosed trades. I for one believe Soros, like some Sovereigns, is accumulating gold while simultaneously obfuscating price discovery and new cost basis for acquisition. Soros has a conflicted interest in a new world currency on the one hand and re-electing his marionette on the other. Lack of transparency and accountability allows him room to accumulate physical gold while simultaneously selling paper gold and thus propping up his "beard" for re-election. Folks need to look behind the curtain. On stage in the spotlights are margin increases,demonizing oil executives, disclosue of paper gold sales, and research reports on Armegdon if "default" occurs. Behind the curtain, the dollar is fitted with cement shoes  while the American ship of State is being  captained by the offspring of Blackbeard and Calico Jack. 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:33 | 1282295 iinthesky
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Soros fund bought gold ti protect againt possible deflation? deflation? How does that make any sense? Gold may be fine anytime at the least but paper money just as fine if not better. Savers and creditors would be fine.. don't they mean gold to guard againt inflation, not deflation. Anyway, i see this written frequently in articles, doesnt make sense.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:46 | 1282429 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Historically gold has performed very well during deflation.  The name of the game is wealth protection.  Gold stocks increased 400% during the Great Depression.


Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:30 | 1282296 Al89
Al89's picture You can buy allocated gold held in London/Zurich/New York. There was an interview with the founder a while back, either Chris Martenson did it or it was on King World News. I think it was the former, and may have been linked here on ZH. If it was have a listen as the guy goes into the mechanics of the website in detail. 

If you can't find it do your due dilligence some other way, but I am fairly certain that the gold here is allocated and can be taken delivery of (although for a fee due to some kind of anti-money laundering measures if I recall correctly).

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:40 | 1282303 I am a Man I am...
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these guys are on my radar, would be interested to hear some feedback from anyone who has used them, thx

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:45 | 1282312 Temporalist
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There is also goldmoney dotcom

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:44 | 1282423 Tuco Benedicto ...
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If it's written on paper it is worth the paper it is written on.  Buy physical!


Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:09 | 1282522 Smiddywesson
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There is precedent for confiscation.  Allocation in foreign banks is just as reliable in this day and age as confidentiality in Swiss bank accounts.  Uncle Sam has a long reach.  Good luck with that plan.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:09 | 1283014 DosZap
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Bullion Vault;

Read the fine print, you will pay thru the arse.

It's like 20% of your TOTAL net investment, to physical out.

Otherwise,you get paper.What's the purpose of the company, if you get screwed closing out?.

IS there a company outside the US, that doesn't scree you in the kiester.

Sounds like someone needs to start one for real people.

Like Sprott's, you must take 400oz bars, you have $400k+in Sprotts Phy fund?.

Not many do.This reeks of Bankers, they make money off of your investments, and you get the shaft if you want real money out.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:36 | 1282301 goldenboy
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It is obvious that Soros sold his SPDR Paper Gold to redeem, via the authorized participant BB route, for PHYSICAL Gold. Physical Gold ounces drained from SPDR holdings in Q1, as the run on BB and ETF physical Gold gathered pace. Soros, and others, well connected enough will NOT be left holding SPDR paper. That outcome has been reserved for those too slow to act or who do not hold the 100K SPDR shares necessary to transfer into Physical. 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 07:42 | 1282307 jkruffin
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Greece will be announcing default very soon fellas, and more of the PIIGS to follow shortly.  No bailout they can give will help these countries. It is inevitable now...

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:15 | 1282538 Smiddywesson
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The long awaited collapse will come with no warning, and like the assault on silver, with as little opportunities to avoid the crash as possible for the general public.  Think weekend price action over a holiday weekend.  Too conspiratiorial?  It seems like we have an awful lot of moves occuring in AH trading.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:54 | 1282668 Long-John-Silver
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The insiders save themselves while leaving everyone on the outside to die. They laugh as the dying pound on the doors screaming for help.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:51 | 1282661 Long-John-Silver
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The USA's debt is now mathematically impossible to repay under any circumstances. We have already defaulted via QE to infinity. Bernanke has converted the US Dollar into Jew confetti. It's only a matter of time before it's value of zero is attained.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:05 | 1282350 tejbear
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As George Soros is a member of the criminal elite and a lying sack of s--t, the motive behind his selling gold is probably a part of the continuing coordinated effort to generate fear in the American flock of Sheople and keep them from safe guarding their assets with gold and silver... This way, when the dollar is devalued or takes the big dive, the American Sheople will lose the most. Meanwhile, Europe and Asia are buying all of the metal they can get their hands on. 

What is surprising is that Bill Gross isn't acting like an insider. Given his position, you would think that if he wasn't an insider, the elite would have had him replaced a long time ago.

Anyone for a glass of Kool-Aid?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:17 | 1282549 Smiddywesson
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Yeah, Bill Gross better watch out or he will have a rape charge aginst him.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:03 | 1282354 Butchery101
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Some “ETF liquidation in the quarter was not actually outright gold selling,” UBS’s Tully said. “In some cases, investors switched their gold exposure from ETP-based to allocated. This somewhat distorts the ETP ownership picture.”

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:14 | 1283038 DosZap
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Some “ETF liquidation in the quarter was not actually outright gold selling,” UBS’s Tully said. “In some cases, investors switched their gold exposure from ETP-based to allocated. This somewhat distorts the ETP ownership picture.”



Allocated means PHYSICAL.(the real deal)


ETF means paper,why are the elite getting out of ETF's?,smart, that's why.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:15 | 1282373 dollartheque@ya...'s picture

@scratch_and_sniff, he talks about Deflation, so I guess the rug will be pulled out from underneath!!!! Has the time come to start thinking about shorting the S&P500?This whole Deflation seems to be  coming in line with Martin Armstrong's last peace of the puzzle

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:13 | 1282375 bigwavedave
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there is no point in disecting these reports. its old news and probably been 'covered' already. People need to realize that trading 'news' is for newbies only as it gives the exit points for previous positions. Today's 'news' is that Buffet is building a position and has got himself a dispensation to not report on his filing from the SEC. When are you going to wake up?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:26 | 1282387 rsnoble
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I would just assume Soros get a good ole fashioned case of ebola virus, however I know some very good traders that had a target of $150 on GLD over a year ago.  The deceptacon could be right.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:53 | 1282447 Chuck Walla
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That wily old rat sold near the high and, I bet, he is buying at the bottom.  That's his style, force a bottom, take advantage, destroy nations with the profits.  


One simply cannot believe a word that comes out of him unless he is talking his grand design to rule the world's politicians for fun & profit.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:16 | 1283046 DosZap
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Never met a COMMUNIST I liked.................

SOROS has done more damge to America, than almost anyone other ONE person.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:13 | 1282747 Newsboy
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George Soros body surfed the collapse that was WW-2. He has a talent for surfing collapse. You and I will never know the details until way after the fact, and then we will mostly know the details he wants. Yo can't emulate George Soros in real time. You have to figure out how much of collapse you understand and arrange your positions accordingl. I'm out of debt, diversifying my (useful to others) employment venue options, putting the kids through college and med school and accumulating a bit of gold and silver. That's how much I can understand. Oh, and I bike commute.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:45 | 1282922 Quinvarius
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I don't think Soros is stupid enough to cut his gold exposure or leave his gold at JPM's disposal in GLD and IAU.  I am sure Soros is smarter than me.  I would not do either of those things.  I would give odds that he has his gold in a vault.

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