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South Korea On Alert As North Korean Subs Disappear In East Sea
From Yonhap:
SEOUL, May 26 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's military was tracking four North Korean submarines which disappeared from their east coast base after conducting naval training in the East Sea earlier this week, a military official in Seoul said Wednesday.
Locations of the North's four 300-ton-class submarines have been unknown for two days, the military official said, noting, "We are tracking the four submarines by mobilizing all naval capabilities in the East Sea."
The submarines left the Chaho base located near the Musudan-ri missile launch pad site in North Hamgyong province in North Korea's northeast coast, according to the official.
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Oh, shit.
Nothing to worry about. They got in range of the Mothership's cloaking field. There's a counter for that.
http://us.starcraft2.com/features/protoss/mothership.xml
Ha ha. I used to be addicted to that game back in my college days. Only online game I've ever played.
S Korea may not know where they are, but I guarantee that we do.
If you're in trouble locating some North Korean U-Boot contact http://www.nsa.gov/...
or type in: www.itanimulli.com. Same thing. (Illuminati backwards)
I doubt it. Unless we had subs out there waiting to tail them, we probably don't either.
Each of those subs likely has a transponder stuck to its belly beaming it's coordinates directly to the Pentagon. Or we've slapped it with some high-tech invisible paint that we could see from Venus.
I have every confidence in our ability to track Korean submarines. We spend as much on defense as the rest of the world combined.
SOSUS net
Maybe someone took my advice posted here on ZH: North Korea is a psycho state that doesn't need any submarines, so it would really be best that they just lose contact with them all the sudden, permanently, without any public annoucement made.
USS Ronald reagan and another carrier in Korea vecinity. USS Blue Ridge just arrived. 4 carrier groups near Iran. Military build up? Cost a lot of money tomove this pieces around....
Maybe the blob ate them.
Maybe they went to help out with the oil spill.
+10
lol, maybe the blob jammed the radar..
I lost the bleeps, the sweeps and the creeps.
S Korea got the raspberry!
Lonestar!!!
Strawberry or grape jam? I don't remember... ;-)
It is Raspberry :) :)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcArnepkhv0
That would make an Admiral's ass cheeks clench.
Diesel or nuclear? How do they compare to the US's hunter-killers attack class. Or are these little enoying wasps?
I'm sure that we are not the only party with assets in the area... and the DPRK isn't equipped to play this game.
If these subs are anything like most of the worlds piece of shit ancient diesel subs, they should be pretty easy to take out with helicopters. But like you said make sure it is NK and not Chinese before you start pulling the trigger.
Diesel. Obsolete. Annoyance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romeo_class_submarine
Modified U-boat design! Ha. Classic.
No these are the Sang-O class mini-sub they are not advanced but all diesel boats present a challenge in those rocky coastal areas. They are mainly used for spec ops or mining, which could mean they are going to infiltrate some guys in the south which they have done often.
I'm retired Navy so trust me any Sub on batteries obsolete or not can be a threat.
I agree more information is required, but I think it is safe to say this isn't the same as the Japanese Navy going missing circa December 1941.
I highly doubt they're nuclear. Diesels are MUCH quieter than nukes anyhow. They run on batteries while submerged. Diesel charges the batteries when an air snorkle can get to the surface. Like the Chevy Volt. These thing can creep very slowly and quietly.
"Or are these little enoying wasps?"
no, that's Timothy Geithner
*annoying
probably diesel. And they are pretty easy to track via satellite.
They are not the ones to worry about and not the ones who may have sunk the frigate. The ones to worry about are the 4-6 man mini subs attached to freighters that launched the first torpedo in the first place.
The Russian built subs are bleh, no worries - even if the news says they don't know where they are, our SOSUS and satellites do.
+100
Hunt for Red October part II
Not even close. No contest. I could tell you how i know this, but then i'd have to kill you. Peace.
Do it when nobody's lookin'
That's right. Pretend to lose them, and then make 1 or 2 of them disappear...
"How could we have sunk the NK subs? We don't even know where they are."
(wink wink)
"Sergei, you lost another one?"
great movie.
+1 ROFLMAO
I thought it was Andrei...
"Hold on to your butts!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Korea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Japan
"The DPRK's attack submarine inventory is estimated to include 4 former Soviet Whiskey class submarine, 22 Chinese ROMEO Class submarines, and DPRK-built ROMEO Class submarines.
The WHISKEYs, acquired in the 1960s, can carry 12 torpedoes or 24 mines. Shortly after delivering four ROMEOs in the early 1970s, China helped the DPRK start its own ROMEO construction program. The ROMEOs are well equipped, have an improved sonar, and can carry 14 torpedoes or 28 mines."
Locations of the North's four 300-ton-class submarines have been unknown for two days, the military official said, noting, "We are tracking the four submarines by mobilizing all naval capabilities in the East Sea."
??? Tracking the unknown.
Would this not make their location "known" if they are being tracked by all naval capabilities?
It's double-speak, translates to "We know exactly where they are to within a meter and our allies in the area know everything we know but nobody is telling the media, so yeah their locations are totally unknown and a mystery. Know what I mean?"
Down periscope!
I don't see why they don't just f**k Kim Jong Il up once and for all. All they have to do is send in some stealth bombers, EMP all their power stations and missle strike their nuke facilities so they can't even try to launch one, and it would be over so quick. No more paying this idiot off to run his mouth anymore. The dog and pony show with this idiot is getting ridiculous.
Both China and South Korea are scared spitless just thinking about the tide of starving people crossing both borders.
Pretty sad comment on the state of the World when starving poor people are being used as WMDs (Weapons of Mass Disturbance!)
Main problem with that is the NKs have THOUSANDS of howitzers that would rain rounds on Seoul. Firestorm, thousands (millions?) die in the firestorm. Don't need any electricity to fire artillery...
I don't see why....
That is because you are not looking in the right place. China is the player, N Korea is just the buffer state puppet.
no oil in NK.
+1. An important factor.
11,000 pieces of artillery, loaded by human artillerymen embedded into mountain bunkers and tunnels like the guns of Navarone against our 30,000 soldiers makes stealth bombers kinda dodgy. We don't have enough stealth bombers to take them out at one go, but they can level Seoul within 5 minutes and not to mention the human sacrifice of American soldiers at the DMZ - 30,000 against 1.2 million.
That is probably why the pentagon does not see why they just don't fuck up Kim Jong Il once and for all.
In a command and control country, all you need to do is to take out the head shed and their commo. Those artillery units will just sit there like Saddams did when we pounded them. The underlings don't take a dump without permission. Plus how do we know that those communication lines have not already been compromised and false orders will be given to these same units.
Finally, if you have seen what an MLRS system can do to people (impressive), you can eliminate a grid square per missle. North Korean army will move one mile and be no more. These systems are standoff and are mobile.
This is a fatal weakness of dictatorships
The question is, do you want to bet on that?
After I spent 94-95 studying in Moscow, after I made friends with the paratroopers who were stationed at the metro stations after the '94 December Chechen War, I myself would not bet on them breaking down because of a command and control country. That's a myth that was told to us while we were in the military.
I am sure that that NK Colonel is fully capable of giving orders to his troops, especially if they follow former Soviet TO&E
But if you want to bet against it, be my guest
the goal of foreign policy is not to defeat your enemies to make peace ... it is to keep your enemies provoked so you can use it to keep foreign policy agenda alive and also to keep your defense industry alive. After all, without the defense industry, where will the innovation come from?
+1. A good insight, worth keeping in mind.
Porn?
EMP works only on transistors. Old nuke stations are all tubes. That's where I get my stereo stuff: Soviet military.
not to mention tubes have such a warm organic sounds. the stereo stuff, not the nukes.
Yeah, while others go pop popcorn for a liveblogging of the apocalypse, I fire up the tubes and provide soundtrack.
Vampire Squid attack!
Send in the sperms!!!
Kim sent them out to bring back some of those new BK $1 burgers, so that he can kidnap some NK women and force them to feed them to him.
Oh please. The US has the technology to know exactly where they are.
We do, and I would bet that we have some of our subs tailing them as we speak.
+1000
Hoping the NK submariners said good bye to their families, because I seriously doubt they will live to see the sky. Their boats will vanish without a trace sometime between the moment they left harbor, and 6 hours later.
This is not important news. South Korea means nothing. What do they make? It's not like we rely on them for cheap, reliable cars or affordable TV's or any other electronics. Everybody knows that everything comes from China, so whatever. (sarcasm off)
We rely on SK for 1% of our fake GDP LOL
But, wait, I thought we were trying to halt the spread of communism at the DMZ, no?
An oldie, but a goodie.
another +1000
but we need SK to export our mad-cow beef and tobaco.
go get them nk !!!!!!! so we can get the usa jobs back from sk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They just think it's hidden, our fleet knows when they fart.
Silly Wabbits.
Sub... WAY!
kim jong il is mentally ill and have a big bunch of put options
Kim Jong Mentally Il
classic
300 ton subs? that isn't very big did they mean 1300 ton (submerged)? Whiskey class the NKs have 4 of. Late 50's russki design. Diesel electric.
They have a bunch of submersibles SSG Sang, SGM Yugo and SSI. But I think those are all under 100 tones
Someone still makes the Yugo? Wonder how they made it watertight...
Has anyone seen Hans Brix lately?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b49Iwfp8U-U
RATERY!
KJI is so ronery...
Bob is not amused. Heresy!
Matt Damon!
If the South Koreans haven't been able to find them for two days, then they are probably somewhat advanced, at least as it pertains to running silent etc. So all they really need is a functioning torpedo to make this worse. They don't have to sink a combat ship - just a cargo ship will tick people off.
Piece of cake...they just need to listen for "Its a long way to Tipperary" being sung.
Funny, I'm actually listening to Lili Marlene by Marlene Dietrich on my jazz mix at the moment.
Talk about being on the other side
The Chinese version of the Romeo Class is called the "Ming." Russia got the technology from Germany after WWII, gave it to China in the 60s and China gave it to NK. Supposedly they have 21 of them.
They could still sink a couple of ships though the retaliation would be swift.
I am more worried about the long range Howitzers. They could kill hundreds of thousands and then the NK army would come over the DMZ in hordes. I would rather US soldiers stand down in that event. Let SK handle it.
Romeos are way bigger than 300 tons...it's got to be their little submesibles they have over 70 of those. The only thing they have only 4 of is the Whiskey class which is also well over 300 tons. Guess we will find out as soon as the shooting starts....but I'm with you...they have a load of arty. Level seoul in just a few rounds.
Yeah the Romeos are just short of 1500 tons. These have got to be the smaller subs.
I bet the US, Russia and Chinese are lurking around not too far. Button down the hatch Captn!
They probably malfunctioned and sunk to the bottom of the East Sea...hard to track a silent (dead) object.
You want them to surface? Promise them a dinner with kimchee, rice, and bulgoki. That'll do the job.
Skip the beef, they'll settle for kagogi instead.
You can not track what has already been sunk........move on....Nothing to see here.
Hey what sides will everybody take? Who will side with N.K.? Anybody? Would this not end quick? I know we have been "at war" with N.K. forever, but if we officially fought them, would it not be over gulf war one style?
I think it will end quickly, bit if the north goes all in initially...they do huge damage...unless the Chinese decide to back them...then it could get ugly.
America has a treaty with South Corea and Japan which states that if either are involved in conflict, America will back them.
China and North Corea have a similar treaty.
China and N.K.? Treaty name please?
1961 Sino-North Korean Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance
Dude, this is America, we won't adhere to a treaty if it's not in our best interests. Thats how its been for hundreds of years and that's how it will be for another 100 years.
We might be assholes, we might not know how to run an economy but we know how to fightand that's what makes America Grrr.... ah... America.
Yes. As the economy continues to decline and people find themselves unable to eat, America will choose to direct the masses' anger away from rioting on the streets to shooting at those damned Chinamen, who were the cause of the entire economic disaster, right?
Obummer leave his basketbrawl pick-up game to give a war order?
I need some of your smoke.
The only way to keep Seoul civilian casualties low is a surprise coordinated cruise missile strike with tactical Neutron bombs, late at night around 2 or 3 am, along the NK border defenses and against NK Command and Control structures. Followed by an armored advance through the weakest section of the DMZ on a direct route to Pyongyang. I would also have B-2's loitering over the front lines to drop tactical nukes on any artillery formations that start to open fire on Seoul. It has to be a quick death for their artillery formations and C3I installations. After that the NK state should crumble like a house of cards.
Ah Douglas MacArthur's lovechild brought to us by the masters of eugenics, get thee to a 1000 black and white episodes of MASH and look for the little fellow crying to his mommy on the table.
The man in the elevator shoes challenged Tiger to an 18-hole match in Bangkok and to avoid detection he is traveling by sub. The Thai authorities, eager to redirect attention from their murderous rampage, are preparing to welcome Mr. Kim and their fellow half-countryman, Eldrick. After he shoots an 18, Mr. Kim will take Tiger to Patpong Road for a happy ending.
Grand deception. North Korea poses no threat to anyone other than South Korea and Japan. The worst they could do to the states is "maybe" land a bottle rocket on Sarah Palin's Alaska residence. Would that be a bad thing?
Does no one find it strange that the analysts who inspected the torpedo fragments, which sank the SK boat, determined that they were from a German made torpedo.
Who just got some free submarines from Germany?
This crap moves markets?
Is your avatar an ex-ray (from behind) of a large blunt object up your asshole?
It's a NK Romeo class fully submerged.
S.K was tracking the subs then lost track of the subs. Maybe a few U.S subs torpedoed all 4 of the N.K subs?
Dwight David Eisenhower: "Beware of the Military Industrial Complex"
Unless the North Koreans have some new artillery technology, Seoul is out of range of artillery shells. Guided missles are required, these require launcers and can be tracked. Once fired, their location is known and easy to destroy.
I am a former Artillery Officer in the U.S.M.C.
There are 155mm howitzers that can throw 40+ K. That would be sufficient to hit Seoul.
"Once fired, their location is known and easy to destroy."
But the missile is gone. Hezbollah is perfectly happy to lose the launcher. War is changing. The Koreans are not likely to lead in this though it's true.
You may want to brush up. It's rather widely known that Seoul is within range of NK artillery. NK has a bunch of 170mm SP guns at locations all along the DMZ near Seoul. Iran used the same weapon, acquired from NK, against Iraq in the '80's with some success. They also have a 240mm unguided MLRS system that can hit a good chuck of the city. They've got a bunch of FROG-7 unguided missiles too, no problem hitting Seoul with them. NK will reserve their guided SSMs for military targets.
There would be nothing easy about a war with NK. They have spent the last 50 years getting ready
Russia is our ally. China is our enemy.
Russia is no more an ally than China.
North Korea called. They said the sinking was a friendly-fire incident, i.e., a U.S. f***-up, followed by a cover-up.