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As South Korea Proceeds With Joint US Military Exercises, North Korea Vows Retaliation

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The latest Korean escalation continues to refuse to be relegated to the annals of history. Various demonstrations on Saturday in the two countries confirmed that people on both sides of the the DMZ are demanding far more than just rhetorical placation. And now that the USS George Washington has symbolically entered the fray, the escalation has become about far more than just Korean nationalist pride, but is about Chinese and US spheres of influence. Which is precisely why most were speculating that a reversion to the mean was imminent: after all neither China, nor the US would benefit from a regional conflict. However as the AP reports, events may soon be spiralling out of control: "As protesters in Seoul demanded their government
take sterner action against North Korea, the North issued new warnings
against the war games scheduled to start Sunday with a U.S.
nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in the Yellow Sea. The North called the games an "unpardonable
provocation" and warning of retaliatory attacks creating a "sea of fire"
if its own territory is violated. The comments ran on North Korea's
state-run Uriminzokkiri website a day after the North's warnings that
the peninsula was on the "brink of war." China, under pressure from the U.S. and South
Korea to rein in its ally Pyongyang, urged both sides to show restraint
while Washington played down the belligerent rhetoric, noting that the
weekend war games were routine and planned well before last week's
attack." That said - there is probably no reason to worry.... After all now Hillary Clinton is involved.

"The pressing task now is to put the situation under control and prevent
a recurrence of similar incidents," Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi told U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton by phone, according to the ministry's website.

Or not: contrary to repeated warnings that joint military exercises will only further antagonize the locals and certainly bring the situation to the brink of war, we now read that "South Korea has warned its army to be on guard for further attacks from Pyongyang ahead of joint military exercises between the US and Seoul." At this point the conventional wisdom is that North Korea is acting like a rabid dog (which as has recently been disclosed has nuclear capabilities). Yet the US continues to provoke it. In the global game theory game, who is therefore to blame?

South Korean President Lee Myung-bak told ministers and aides to be ready for "provocation" by the North - and the country's Marine commander vowed "thousand-fold" revenge for the attacks this week that killed two servicemen and two civilians.

The US and Seoul will begin joint exercises on Sunday in the Yellow Sea.

North Korea said any civilian deaths were "very regrettable" but accused South Korea of using members of the public as a human shield.

It also said the US should be blamed for "orchestrating" the whole sequence of events to justify sending in a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier to join the military exercises.

"If the US brings its carrier to the West Sea of Korea at last, no one can predict the ensuing consequences," North Korea's KCNA news agency said.

North Korea has warned it will continue to launch attacks if the South violates its disputed sea border.

China says it is determined to prevent an escalation of the violence but warned against military acts near its coast.

Since festivities will continue well through the night on Sunday (EDT), look for geopolitical risk to be well bid heading into Monday morning.

Below is a more exhaustive analysis of the geopolitic of the region via Stratfor.

U.S. Carrier Strike Group Embarks for the Yellow Sea

Summary

Just as both sides seemed to be nearing a resumption of talks, North Korea shelled South Korean positions on an island in disputed western waters, and a U.S. carrier strike group was dispatched to the Yellow Sea for exercises with South Korean forces. Since the sinking of the South Korean ChonAn in March, the United States had said it would deploy the USS George Washington to the Yellow Sea but had balked, in part because of objections from China. Now that North Korea has ratcheted up tensions again, Washington is sending a message to Beijing as well as Pyongyang: Rein in North Korea in order to better manage relations with the United States.

Analysis

U.S. Forces Korea announced Nov. 24 that the USS George Washington carrier strike group (CVN 73) left Yokohama, Japan, on Nov. 24 to join South Korean forces for naval exercises Nov. 28-Dec. 1 in the Yellow Sea/West Sea. The group includes the guided missile cruisers USS Cowpens (CG 63) and USS Shiloh (CG 67) as well as the guided missile destroyers USS Stethem (DDG 63) and USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62), and it may also include a nuclear-powered attack submarine

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The announcement comes one day after North Korea fired artillery at Yeonpyeong Island,
which lies in disputed waters off the west coast of the Korean
Peninsula, killing two South Korean soldiers and two civilians and
damaging property. The United States had previously committed to sending
the carrier to participate in the Yellow Sea exercises as a show of
strength following the March sinking of the ChonAn (772), a South Korean
naval corvette, and had formally maintained its intention to do so in
the months since.

But the United States wavered in part due to objections from China,
which raised an outcry this summer about exercises so close to its
political capital and heartland. Instead, the United States opted to
send the carrier to participate in drills in the Sea of Japan, on the
opposite side of the Korean Peninsula from China, and continually
delayed posting the carrier group to the Yellow Sea. The U.S.
hesitations gave rise to considerable doubt in South Korea about the
American commitment to the alliance and drew attention across the region
as the United States seemed to balk in response to China’s bold
diplomatic stand.

Military Drills and Six-Party Talks

Before the North Korean artillery attack on Nov. 23, the United
States still seemed hesitant to undertake military drills with South
Korea that could upset regional sensitivities. At essentially the last
minute, Washington backed out of participating in South Korea’s Hoguk
Exercise, which began Nov. 21 and which North Korea blamed in part for
its attack on Yeonpyeong Island. The exercise would have involved
sending U.S. Marines stationed in Okinawa, Japan, to stage a mock
amphibious invasion of a small South Korean island, and while U.S.
intentions were not clear, the United States may have resisted such a
drill at a time when tensions throughout the region had intensified over
island sovereignty. Japan was calling for a similar drill as a way to
send a message to China over their island disputes (and holding
amphibious exercises with South Korea may have obligated the United
States to do the same with Japan, likely to the detriment of relations
with China).

Also prior to the artillery attack, it seemed that all parties
involved on the Korean Peninsula were moving closer to a resumption of
international talks. China began campaigning to resume six-party talks
on denuclearization back in September. Though the United States and its
allies had not committed to new talks, setting a prerequisite that North
Korea take “concrete steps” to show its sincerity, there were numerous
diplomatic meetings between the players and an opening for inter-Korean
negotiations. Stephen Bosworth, U.S. special envoy on the Korean nuclear
issue, is currently on an Asian tour for just such a purpose. Even
North Korea’s revelation of its ongoing uranium enrichment activities to
a visiting American scientist last week was a signal that talks could
resume (the information was couched in North Korean comments that it was
willing to trade away at least one of its nuclear programs, possibly
both, if the United States would give it new assurances). And while the
outcome would not likely have been the end of all North Korean nuclear
activity, it may well have served to give momentum to a new round of
talks.

The Yeonpyeongdo Attack

All of this was upended, however, when North Korea upped the ante by
shelling Yeonpyeongdo. North Korea often springs a surprise on the world
before negotiations, and over the past two decades this has been a
fairly predictable method of winning initiative in talks. But the latest
action, coupled with the ChonAn sinking, pushes the envelope further.
It could still fall within the same rubric, with Pyongyang seeking to
get a better position in negotiations or to insist that the United
States join it in direct talks. But it also raises the question
whether North Korea is trying to do something completely different or
even whether it is losing a degree of internal control amid its ongoing power transition.

Either way, the United States has decided that it must now
demonstrate to the world, without equivocation, that it is committed to
its alliance with South Korea. This demonstration has begun by sending
the George Washington to the region for exercises in the Yellow Sea, but
it will undoubtedly involve other actions to bolster the alliance and
the U.S. military presence in the region (for instance, the George
Washington will also participate in annual exercises with the Japanese
in December, which the Japanese still claim will focus on the theme of
defending the islands against invasion, a veiled signal to China). This
is not the first time the United States has sent carriers to the area
for drills, but Beijing’s resistance to the idea throughout the year has
made it a more controversial action. Now the United States believes it
must send the strike group to maintain credibility in the region, not
only for South Korea but for its other allies as well, and to deter its
opponents. It simply cannot afford to lose credibility by not supporting
allies when they are attacked. Moreover, it cannot afford to be seen as
backing down due to Chinese pressure.

China’s Options

In particular, the United States is sending a message to China to
rein in North Korea. China is by far the largest economic and military
partner of North Korea, last year providing about 79 percent of the
North’s total foreign investment, 90 percent of its crude oil and 80
percent of its consumer goods. China also sells arms to North Korea and
offers irreplaceable political and diplomatic assistance to Pyongyang
for its confrontations with the outside world. China was able to stymie any attempt to force a meaningful response to the ChonAn incident,
has shot down the idea of new U.N. sanctions, and has deflected
pressure and criticism of the North Korean regime on numerous occasions.

But while China will bluster in reaction to the U.S. carrier
exercises and other U.S. moves to solidify the alliance, there are
limitations on its actions following North Korea’s unpredictable attack.
China will have difficulty plausibly denying North Korean culpability
this time, as it managed to do with the ChonAn (where very little
evidence was recovered from the wreckage, and China could get away with
claiming the international investigation team was biased). However,
China has already emphasized that the North Koreans claim their
artillery barrage was a response to shells that landed in their
territorial waters during South Korean military exercises, and Russia
has said that military drills by South Korea and its allies (i.e., the
United States) are destabilizing the region. Nevertheless, seeing that
North Korea’s actions will inevitably elicit a U.S. response, China has
the option of demonstrating its sway over North Korea in order to work
with the United States and retain some ability to shape the U.S.
response. Otherwise it risks provoking the United States and losing
control over when, where and how the United States decides to respond.

All of this comes at an awkward time, with both the United States and
China striving to smooth over disagreements ahead of Chinese President
Hu Jintao’s visit to Washington in January. Because Beijing will have
difficulty abetting Pyongyang in this latest incident, it may well
become a test of Beijing’s willingness to practice a bolder foreign
policy in relation to the United States and other outside powers.

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Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:01 | Link to Comment Spalding_Smailes
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China Warns U.S. as Korea Tensions Rise

DANDONG, China—Beijing on Friday lodged its first official protest of a joint U.S.-South Korean military exercise planned for Sunday, even as the aircraft carrier USS George Washington steamed toward the region.

North Korea also responded angrily. "The situation on the Korean peninsula is inching closer to the brink of war," the state controlled Korean Central News Agency responded Friday to the maneuvers, which are set to take place in the Yellow Sea between the Koreas and northeastern China.

The strong talk was the latest fallout from North Korea's hour-long artillery attack of a South Korean island on Tuesday that killed four people. The next day, the U.S. and South Korea said planned joint exercises would go ahead over the weekend, heightening fears in some quarters that already-tense relations between North and South Korea—and their respective international protectors, China and the U.S.—could be heading for a showdown.

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870400870457563842069891800...

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:26 | Link to Comment Red Neck Repugnicant
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America needs to protect our North Korean allies, as Sarah Palin suggested two days ago. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332876/Sarah-Palins-North-Korea-gaffe-We-gotta-stand-allies.html

I don't understand why the Republicans are always wanting to invade the wrong country. They seemed endlessly confused about so many different matters.

  

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:35 | Link to Comment Spalding_Smailes
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And under big "o's" watch/turn. me thought he was weak on diplomacy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNEkzj5Bs80&feature=related

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 22:30 | Link to Comment Oracle of Kypseli
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Some of you do know that this is a big game but, most of you don't.

Cynical or not, it is true.

These incidents are bilateral (China-USA) preparations so that the pretext for war is in place when "the-natives-are-restless" in both countries and storming the palaces is imminent.

Batten down the hatches. Food, gold, silver, water, guns, med's & .....(fill the gaps)

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Richard Weed
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Restive, Dude... Restive.

The natives are restive.

you are way too quick to show your ignorance... about all of the other stuff, too.

[but what do I know... I am just a Dick Weed]

 

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 19:12 | Link to Comment Oracle of Kypseli
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My comment above preceded the following ZH post by 17 hours:

I am also aware of the magnitude of my ignorance.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fake-bogeymen-and-artificial-security

"North Korea is one of the very few nations left in the world in which total control over the populace is wielded by the government. It is a one-party military dictatorship whose leadership has been handed down literally from father to son ever since it was created out of the Soviet occupied part of Korea in 1948. It is a creation of the “cold war” and the only nation that remains intact and unchanged almost 20 years after President Reagan’s “Evil Empire” - the USSR and its bloc - collapsed in 1991. If there is a nation on earth in which the people are totally innocent in the actions of their government, that nation is North Korea. It is kept intact by both China and the US for one simple reason. It is a “bogeyman”. "

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:41 | Link to Comment J.B. Books
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Read it and weep....

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/notes/sarah-palin/a-thanksgiving-message-to-all-57-states/463364218434

But then again ObamaCrazies don't read they just follow their leader, that lazy, golf playing, vacation taking, not interested, has better things to do - grand leader.

I can't wait to vote for Palin, if I was a Democrat I'd vote twice..

Books

 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:46 | Link to Comment MarketTruth
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Vote for Palin? The light at the end of that tunnel is a train... The USA needs a qualified President with a strong background and strong backbone, not some clueless and mindless woman who is being propped up by TPTB.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 20:23 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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Palin would not make the cut if we simply required that a Presidential candidate be able to demonstrate the ability to  play chess...like think several moves ahead without a teleprompter.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 01:36 | Link to Comment tallystick
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We need a President who can hang with Putin in chess.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 04:15 | Link to Comment Zero Debt
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Chess is a slaughterhouse. It can only refine your skills in how to slay a large squad of 16 medieval enemy soldiers.

If you want to learn strategic skills and conquer territory in co-existence, learn to play the game of Go.

 

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 17:02 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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Oh, them damn Chineses, again........... ya mean we might have to actually learn how they think? My head hurts....

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:10 | Link to Comment Red Neck Repugnicant
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lazy, golf playing, vacation taking, not interested, has better things to do - grand leader.

Double Question Jeopardy:

Answer:  This is where the head of J.B. Books is located.

Question:  What is up his Tater Hole, Alex?

Second Bonus Round:

Answer:  This President took more vacation days than any American leader in Presidential history - nearly 33% of his term in office.

Question: Who is George Bush, who spend 487 days at Camp David and 490 days in Crawford on his ranch, for a grand total of 977 vacation days? 

It's rather amazing that a President could take 33% of his time off, and still find time to fully transform America into a war mongering, fascist plutocracy.  That demonstrates some stunning time management skills.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:14 | Link to Comment Commander Cody
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Are you really in love with Democrats, or are you irritating just for the hell of it?  I don't like any of our corrupt politicos, but to think they laze around the ol' Camp or ranch or wherever is either naive or stupid.   Unless, of course, you do not believe there really is email, phones of any sort, and god knows what kind of telecommunications available to a prez.  So work only happens behind a desk, in this case, the one in the oval office.  Vacation days my ass.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 22:35 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Has the community organizer released his college transcripts yet?  Perhaps he will soon release all the articles he wrote for the Harvard law review as the editor.

No, neither one forthcoming, even the dunce GWB released his grades, beat Al Goreacle as I remember..  Repugnicant your certainly repugnant, hope your truly a Democrat as you harden hearts against your commie creed.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 22:37 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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"Has the community organizer released his college transcripts yet?  Perhaps he will soon release all the articles he wrote for the Harvard law review as the editor."

Junk away as you cannot answer those simple questions, your community organizer is an empty suit who cannot even play basketball.  The rumor is Michelle gave him that split lip and the Secret Service set up a game quick to cover the injury..

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:05 | Link to Comment bugs_
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Its important to protect the 57 states!

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:53 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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Yep, and the one left to go.  Of course, that excludes Alaska and Hawaii, since "his staff" didn't permit him to go there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

Capcha: 57+1+2=___

- Ned

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 21:41 | Link to Comment UpShotKnotHoleGrable
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All your base are belong to us!

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:12 | Link to Comment SWRichmond
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BY the time that carrier gets there you could probably walk from island to island while barely getting your feet wet by merely stepping on all the submarines...

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:23 | Link to Comment lead salad
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Daily mail seems real fair.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:03 | Link to Comment johngaltfla
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Workers recalled as North Korea prepares for war

By Shaun Walker in Moscow
Saturday, 27 November 2010

A mass exodus of North Korean workers from the Far East of Russia is under way, according to reports coming out of the region.

As the two Koreas edged towards the brink of war this week, it appears that the workers in Russia have been called back to aid potential military operations.

Vladnews agency, based in Vladivostok, reported that North Korean workers had left the town of Nakhodka en masse shortly after the escalation of tension on the Korean peninsula earlier this week. "Traders have left the kiosks and markets, workers have abandoned building sites, and North Korean secret service employees working in the region have joined them and left," the agency reported.


Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:13 | Link to Comment SWRichmond
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It must be really sad to have to leave a job where you get enough to eat to go back to NK where they're starving....

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:17 | Link to Comment Real Estate Geek
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You know NK's bad when its people prefer to stay in Siberia.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 21:03 | Link to Comment Howard_Beale
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If you escape from NK, your family and extended family are usually are put in prison camps for life or killed. We have no idea what living in that regime is like. In the National Geographic show I referenced above, a surgeon went in and performed 1000 lens replacements for blind people. When they could see, they thanked Kim Yung Il, their God. They are taught from day one that he is their God and leader. When an elderly woman before the surgery was asked why she wanted to see again it was so she could kneel before his picture. Think it was staged? As each person got had their bandages taken off and could see again--man, woman, or child--they praised their mighty leader for giving them their sight back.

The generation after the famine is 7 inches shorter than their SK ilk. Children get cataracts there due to malnutrition. People are put in concentration camps for reasons they never are made aware of. There is huge anti-American sentiment due to the war 1/2 a century ago and it's not going anywhere since they are completely cut off from the rest of the world.

And we complain. Kind of makes you grateful you can fight with your ZH buds, doesn't it?

Here's more:

http://listverse.com/2010/05/30/top-10-crazy-facts-about-kim-jong-il/

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:34 | Link to Comment revenue_anticip...
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Its all stagecraft, by lower level functionaries...ignore THEIR behaviour, watch "China/Japan" which ARE 'imaginary' .... watch the individuals, who really CONTROL, who are in the Main Control Room... everything clockwork chaotic correct...Alice's Teaparty, all perfectly organized by a Professor of Logic...Louis Carroll...obfuscated? but of course....

Lets, just pretend, for a moment...

 

1) dec7 attempt to pull-down the banking system....ha ha ha..so 'cute', like the failed TSA thanksgiving boycott/strike...Banks, by law, don't have to give your full cash demand, in hand been that way since about 1988, S&L USA crisis...'Junked'

2) "We are about to embark on World War 3 and its starts with N. Korea" another 'false-fear mongerer....' who's book/scam, hey, anyway??

What we are about to start is a peaceful**.....

Political/economic Consolidation of the Entire Far East...This time, the 'great game players are impotent to screw it up, and Far East populations TOO sophisticated to allow a repeat of 1925-1945 mutual destruction, intendedly CAUSED by the European Players....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War 

1904, those Japanese learned quickly, after 1867 American 'power-demo visitation'

......starting with the Japanese component of the Far East Asian Block...a new conciousness, a new seeded/attitude of anti-colonialism...including a New China, recognizing the British Opium War, British Economic Violence....an understanding of never again....

Yes, the Japanese, were tricked...by the British/USA Morgan Bank conspiracy (the Fed..), along with Germany....1940 tricked into total 'desouling-submission'...to destroy Korea and China....and even cleverer, yet, application of the 300AD christian/love management tools,  and McArthur PERFECT PERFECT...still deeper Japanese self-hate, and total soul-destruction, loss of National Identity 1945-1989 (perhaps some questioning....were WE Japanese screwed ONCE AGAIN?...)

Just now, finally...the Far East has matured, evolved, is unstoppable, and the West Crippled by its own inherent culturally ingrained self/others destructive cruelty....Roman Law being the essential meta-framework...the cultural 'unconscious mind' finally coming to its own self emolation...

Nope, no war,

and the USA needs to get its ass 'out of there'...the Korean Issue is a local issue,

Do Trust China to NOT allow that N.Korea too far...great manpower source, market, too...

any further USA/British/European attempts to play 'the great game'.....

Hum, for instance, the East India Company, Maltus the mouthpiece from 1801-30, the East India preparatory school he ran...the Indian civil service, Indian Law virtually written from scratch, by Bentham...he fully aware of the concept of 'legal fictions' knowly employing self-same 'fictions' in that Indian/Pakistani law...

NO WAR,

not THIS TIME,

the great game is finished

 

**PEACEFUL, here meaning occasional Klauswitzian application of force supplemental to diplomatic agreements...FYI, mostly along the line of China surfacing a properly competently militarily engineered SUBMARINE right in the middle of a so called 'Modern USA Aircraft carrier Task Force...including its accompanyment of attack submarines....WHO MISSED TOTALLY..'  

E.G. as below noted: China doing a 'Demo' analogous to Russo-Japanese 1904...or the USA Hiroshima/Nagasaki diplomatic 'demo'....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_battle_group

http://stevenmcollins.com/WordPress/?p=1577http://www.conservativerefocu......

 

3) http://www.zerohedge.com/article/who-who-listing-countries-will-fund-imf...

'WHO REALLY MATTERS" .... Aussie/NZ fiat is pure 'commodity money' nothing 'long term' about them...the ONLY moneys that count, and upon which 'long term' is applicable is $USD, Yen/Yuan

Not the EURO.....EURO is pure lets pretend, make believe,=> fiat based on fiat, =>based on the $USD......WHICH $USD, along with phasing-in Yen/Yua..combination..a compacted foundation of sand.......

..THAT $USD, "looking forward..." nominal 0-2% stable for 20 ++ years...and 10-30 year bonds holding at <3% entirely analogous to the 1873-1895 gold/silver hard-money era, long term REAL Interest rate rates holding at 5%, railroads going bankrupt, and the 'best time, ever' for the monied RICH, coupon-clipping class of England/Northeastern USA, and San Francisco..the Gilted Age....

leave the 'commodity-moneys/fiat to the FOREX experts, Citi, Goldman, Morgan-Stanley...not for 'Retail Traders'  ONLY the Yen/Yuan/USD matter regards long term trends, regards Retail Traders .......

 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:55 | Link to Comment Paul Bogdanich
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All this is baloney.  The North's shelling of the South already achieved it's objective which was to reverse the spreads on the USD:JPY and squelch the hot dollar trade.  That's been accomplished.  A further escalation is not in the United States interest as it would be the beginning of our military defeat by attrition.  We would win the action but be very depleted in the process. Further action is not in China's interest as they have already made their point that they can't be pushed around and have options.  So it goes nowhere from here other than to remember that is a war economic or otherwise does start beween China and the US this is one of their possible opening moves. 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:03 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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...after all neither China, nor the US would benefit from a regional conflict.

that's a pretty big assumption, don't you think.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:08 | Link to Comment Tyler Durden
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Probably should have added "out of control"

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Howard_Beale
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National Geographic: Inside North Korea
It's very enlightening to say the least. If you have Netflix, it's 50 minutes long and worth the time.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:03 | Link to Comment Commander Cody
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I say all involved should just get together, hold hands, roast of few marshmellows, smoke 'em if you got 'um, and then engage in a rousing chorus of Kumbaya.  All will be fine.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:30 | Link to Comment smeagol
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Nah, sod that kumbaya crap, a few more shells thrown around the DMZ will do my gold $1352 position bought Friday no end of good, and it makes for interesting tv.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:40 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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If only CC, if only, eh?

I'd be in on that party, banging on my djembe!

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:08 | Link to Comment dnarby
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And we all wondered how they were going to herd people back into treasuries...

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Spalding_Smailes
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The hot money rushing out of China/Asia would ..... ?

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:52 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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"It is very promising to see another RMB derivative product to be settled in RMB in Hong Kong. Last month, HSBC traded first offshore RMB deliverable SHIBOR Interest Rate Swap. With extensive knowledge in local markets, HSBC is dedicated to developing the RMB interest rate derivative market and continuing to be a major market maker in all RMB products. The development expands our trading potential and leads to a broader range of RMB products, which will assist us in providing risk management, investment and hedging solutions for our clients."

Pierre Themiot, Head of IR and LTFX options trading, Asia ex-Japan, BNP Paribas commented:
"BNP Paribas is very pleased to have closed this landmark CNH swaption deal. BNP Paribas' leadership in derivatives, and its extensive presence in Asia, means we are involved in every stage of the RMB internationalisation process. This first option trade is a reflection of our ambitions to grow our RMB product offerings for the benefit of our clients."

Hugh Gallagher, CEO, ICAP Asia Pacific, said:
"The completion of this first option trade is a further development in the internationalization journey of Chinese Yuan. We look forward to continuing to work with our bank customers to further grow and cultivate a dynamic CNH market place."

Earlier in November, ICAP announced the launch of four new CNH currency pairs on the EBS spot FX platform. ICAP also landed Asia Risk Magazine’s Interdealer Broker of the Year award 2010, for the fourth consecutive year.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:10 | Link to Comment Spalding_Smailes
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Pets.com (1998-2000)

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:26 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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Rare Earths U.S.A. 1901 - 2005.

Rare Earths CHN 2005 - present.

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/63400346/

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:37 | Link to Comment snowball777
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http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/an-electric-motor-that-cures...

"...and turbine makers will have to wonder whether companies like China's Goldwing will be first in line at the mine."

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 01:12 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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Nice Grab... I mean other than its a strong buy... I am designing a micro hydro power production unit for a mountain side (hill) home... but this is great a whole bunch of ways for me... so a sincere Thank You!

http://www.novatorque.com/technology/demonstration.php

more info for those who might want it.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:30 | Link to Comment doolittlegeorge
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actually i've never seen a better time to short them.  "in celebration of our imminent victory" of course....

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:10 | Link to Comment Kayman
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So exactly what did our political whores expect by creating and continuing the one-way "trade" deal with China, that has bled this country dry of jobs ??

Do not think for 5 milliseconds that Beijing's hand isn't firmly placed behind Dear Leader II.

This is all about China mercantilism using Dear Leader as a distraction and bargaining chip.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:11 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Several trillion dollars worth of weaponry, for a start.

 

A whole mess of medical care for the people who fought in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, Gulf 1, Iraq, AfPak, etc

 

Some farm subsidies, if your agro-biz was big enough.

Any number of last-minute, under-the-table, stealth-amendment porklets in your district (and maybe even a photo-op with <asshole here>, let's say Tom DeLay for openers, since he's gonna get his cherry popped shortly for the mob he used to be a capo in, or Chollie Wrinkles if you're a red-stater).

Was there something specific we could tempt you with?

We could have our lobbyist write up a proposal, if that would help.

Just send us your money...for the children.

$2000, would be fine, yes, write there, in ink.

Yeah, you don't want that one to get elected, do you?

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:14 | Link to Comment Smiley
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Why do I have a funny feeling that cutting edge defense contractor toys-of-supreme-nastiness manufactured by American defense contractors and their Chinese counterparts will have some extensive field trials at the expense of North and South Koreans getting turned into hamburger?  I don't feel a great conflict is coming but I think a few gruesome examples will certainly be made.  This isn't a war, its an arms expo with live fire demonstrations:  "Check out the area of lethality, it is a 28% increase from out previous models; how many units can I put you down for sir?"

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:22 | Link to Comment Spalding_Smailes
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTK3zeFRLO8

 

Controlled flip 2 minutes into video.... Can't be seen on enemy radar ....

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:37 | Link to Comment Smiley
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That is one bad-ass plane.  I'd be more worried about these though:

 

http://www.boeing.com/Features/2010/05/bds_feat_phantomRay_05_10_10.html

 

Supersonic, stealthy, maneuverable, and no pilot rescue.  A couple hundered of those could decimate a country's infrastructure in a matter of hours and set em back decades.

 

Then you would send in these

 

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/04/army-tests-new/

 

To clean up the mess.

 

I tell ya, even if the next big war isn't nuclear it may end up starting and ending in less than a week and possibly kill more people than WWI and WWII combined.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 00:55 | Link to Comment OldTrooper
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even if the next big war isn't nuclear it may end up starting and ending in less than a week

Isn't that kind of like what the North's newspapers were saying just before the first battle of Bull Run?

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:54 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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That's the manned version ... you should see the drone.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:58 | Link to Comment Segestan
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contractors??   people will use sticks, stones and knifes they dont need electronic crap. Get real.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Kali
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Hee!  Actually Smiley's explanation makes sense.  Live fire demonstration.  Why the hell else would the world put up with the loony "Kims" and an impoverished population that can't feed itself or even keep their own asses warm?  At first, I thought this was just another NK yearly ploy for free food and oil to make it through the winter.  But really, this is getting so ridiculous. 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:31 | Link to Comment Segestan
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...But really, this is getting so ridiculous......  Nothing new ever under the sun.

 

 I don't know about any live fire demonstration.. speculation. But war is a human endeavor.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:53 | Link to Comment Kali
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Yes, same as it ever was.  I was being "sarcastic".

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:33 | Link to Comment doolittlegeorge
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actually "he's called a farmer."  and he has horse named 'Ralph' and a dog named "skippy.'  and they all dance and sing and have ho-downs and rodeos...and all is right, just and good with the world.  and the bumper sticker says "nuke 'em now" but he's just "havin' a time" so "he don't get that."

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:16 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
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Com'on guys, chill out, tank up on Kimchi, have a few beers, couple of lap dances, tell Korean jokes, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z71Czfh8w3o

 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:16 | Link to Comment max2205
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Shut up my football game is on......

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:18 | Link to Comment max2205
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This is all a distraction to mute the anger against the TSA and home land insecurity

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:30 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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TSA - Tyrant Services Agency "All Tyranny, All The Time"

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:05 | Link to Comment knukles
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Lifted directly from the SEC's "All tranny all the time."

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:26 | Link to Comment molecool
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Excellent summary of the situation. The MSM is only serving up tidbits and rhethoric and this overview offers a bit more background.

I agree that the US needs to show some teeth now - you can't back down to a bully. China needs to be pushed into reigning in its crack smoking lapdog.

A few weeks ago I was in South Korea near the DMZ. Saw a poster there saying: Freedom is not free. So true...

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:35 | Link to Comment Jake3463
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N. Korea is China's Israel.  No matter how obnoxious they behave, China has to support them.

 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:20 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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I don't think the chi coms will ever let go of korea either. They want it. It is in their best interest to keep it. They will do whatever it takes to keep it too. They will not back down on it.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:31 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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I wonder how it feels to be a pet sovereign nation. Oh, wait...

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:53 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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N. Korea is China's Israel.

I think the Chinese are on record as saying Pakistan has that distinction. But hey, that was a fortnight ago.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:37 | Link to Comment johny2
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the question is what does China gain from this? 

The obvious answer is a correction in commodities, and the dollar and the treasuries worth more.

And USA gets to sell its Treasuries at lower yields, and get its oil cheaper.

BINGO!

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Printfaster
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Whether the NORKs invade now or later, it is a certainty.

China benefits in a multitude of ways if the North destroys South Korea.

1.  China gets the US out of east Asia once and for all.  This makes the US position in Afghan even more untenable, and the US position in Japan impossible, and the US position in Taiwan, will be, well let's say forgotten.

2.  It eliminates a major producer of goods in Asia, and by inference puts Japan  and Taiwan on a leash.

3.  It puts a nasty puppet in place to keep the Japanese and Russians within growling distance.

4.  It makes the US supply chain even more dependent on China.

So someone, please explain why Kim would not present South Korea as a gift to his son before he dies?

By the way, all that needs to happen is that Seoul would be destroyed.  Retaliation would be a joke in the same way that bombing North Vietnam was a total farce.  You cannot bomb a stone age society back into the stone age.

By the way, someone shoot the captcha and put it out of its misery.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Weimar Ben Bernanke
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 South Korea can crush North Korea without  American help.  North Korea’s million-man army may look impressive on paper, but remember that Iraq had a million-man army, which also had modern equipment, combat experience, and plenty of fuel. 

      In contrast, North Korean soldiers suffer from malnutrition and rarely train due to a scarcity of fuel and ammo.  Most North Korean soldiers could not attack because they are needed to defend the entire DMZ and coastal approaches (they remember the 1950 landing at Inchon) while entire divisions must remain throughout North Korea to fend off heliborne offensives, food riots, and probable coups.

      On the other hand, the entire 700,000 man South Korean active duty army can be devoted to the defense of Seoul.  The modern South Korean army is backed by over 5,000,000 well-trained reservists who can be called to duty in hours.  South Korea has twice the population of the North, thirty times its economic power, and spends three times more on its military each year.   South Korean military equipment is first class whereas most of the North Korean military equipment is over 30 years old and much is inoperable due to a lack of maintenance.  If war broke out, South Korea has a massive industrial capacity and $94 billion in foreign currency reserves to sustain a war, while North Korea has no industry and no money.  As a result, South Korea is roughly five times more powerful than North Korea.

     If North Korea insanely attacked, the South Koreans would fight on mountainous and urban terrain which heavily favors defense, and complete air superiority would shoot up anything the North Koreans put on the road.  Assuming the North Koreans could start up a thousand of their old tanks and armored vehicles, they cannot advance through the mountainous DMZ.  The South Koreans have fortified, mined, and physically blocked all avenues through these mountains, and it would take North Korean infantry and engineers weeks to clear road paths while under fire.

     The North Korean military could gain a few thousand meters with human wave assaults into minefields and concrete fortifications.  However, these attacks would bog down from heavy casualties, and a lack of food and ammo resupply.  Fighting would be bloody as thousands of South Korean and American troops and civilians suffer from North Korean artillery and commando attacks.  Nevertheless,  the North Korean army would be unable to breakthrough or move supplies forward.  Even if North Korea magically broke through, all military analysts scoff at the idea that the North Koreans could bridge large rivers or move tons of supplies forward while under attack from American airpower.  

     It is important to remember that the last Korean war involved Chinese forces supported by North Koreans with the latest Soviet equipment and supplies.  China and Russia no longer aid North Korea and trade openly with South Korea.  Thousands of Chinese soldiers guard the Yalu River to prevent crossings by starving North Koreans. 

Even if North Korea employs a few crude nuclear weapons, using them would be suicidal since it would invite instant retaliation from the United States.  North Korea lacks the technical know-how to build an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile, despite the hopes and lies from the National Missile Defense proponents in the USA.  North Korea's industrial production is almost zero, over two million people have starved in recent years, and millions of homeless nomads threaten internal revolution.

        The US military ignores this reality and retains old plans for the deployment of 450,000 GIs to help defend South Korea, even though the superior South Korean military can halt any North Korean offensive without help from a single American soldier.  American forces are not even required for a counter-offensive. 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:15 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Yes but is there a will for the North Korean soldier to commit his all to this conflict? Maybe, maybe not. After all, most of them are just conscripts. In the first one, the North Korean army evaporated , after McCarthur's end around play. They all took off their uniforms and became farmers again. This is when the Chinese came across,especially when McCarthur started coming toward the Yalu river. Like a fool,he split the column into two seperate movements, one on each side of the Taebaek Mountain Range.The American air recon had not picked up on infiltration by the Chinese army across the Yalu river. Needless to say when old Doug split his forces, the Chinese commanders smiled and watched with approval.Then they attacked with 300,000 men and we fell back to the original DMZ. This war cost the lives of over 50,000 American men, many who had fought in WW2 and had to go back to this war. It was another needless war where we stuck our noses in someone else's business, just like we continue to do today. A good book to read about this war, would be, "About Face: The Odyssey of an American Warrior" by Hackworth. It is the story of one of the most heavily decorated men in the US Army and what happened in Korea, and in Vietnam. Oh and one more thing. It is patently obvious that the Koreans have been taught the art of the military industrial complex and this sort of thinking has taken over their lives, just as it has here. Just think about it. Much of their own GDP is "defense" related. Nobody can just sit down and talk. It has to be war. War for what? For whose benefit? Some of you may remember the old Star Trek episode where the Enterprise runs into a creature that enjoys conflict and it brought them and the Klingons to a planet and watched as the members of the Enterprise crew fought with the Klingons. As the conflict intensified the creature became stronger. Finally, as the story goes, they found out this aspect and quit doing as the creature wanted and the creature became weak and then went away and they retured to their vessels. Is there are moral to this story?

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Printfaster
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Let me take apart your rebuttal:

"South Korea can crush North Korea without  American help"

First there will be no American help, except to evacuate.  Second, ROK will be digging out of a complete mess in Seoul that it cannot recover from.

"the entire 700,000 man South Korean active duty army can be devoted to the defense of Seoul. "

Half will be dead or injured in the first barrage, the other half will be digging out.

"If war broke out, South Korea has a massive industrial capacity"

What capacity would be left after a barrage?

"Even if North Korea magically broke through, all military analysts scoff at the idea that the North Koreans could bridge large rivers or move tons of supplies forward while under attack from American airpower.  "

Just like US airpower blocked resupply from North Vietnam.

All of which leads one to conclude that we are negotiating with a man holding live grenade in the same room.  In all likelyhood the US will capitulate and leave Korea, and the South will fall politically administered under Chinese occupation.

 

 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Thanatos
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They learned that tactic from watching Goldman Sachs and Hank Paulson deal with Congress.

 

All of which leads one to conclude that we are negotiating with a man holding live grenade in the same room.  In all likelyhood the US will capitulate and leave Korea, and the South will fall politically administered under Chinese occupation.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:54 | Link to Comment Weimar Ben Bernanke
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First off even with Seoul in ruin the north does not have the supllies it need for an offensive. One like I said the breakthrough will be very hard for the KPA to accomplish, since they will face multiple prepared, unbroken, and amply manned defense lines across the DMZ. They will be continuously reinforced by an allied operational reserve that includes the US 2nd Infantry Division and two of the three South Korean mechanized divisions. A rapid North Korea breakthrough is very unlikely – historically, “advance rates were rarely more than four to five kilometers a day… when armies in World War II tried to drive through prepared defenses”. 

Second you mention North Vietnam. The NVA used underground systems because they were not fighting a conventiona war,they were fighting a guerilla war against  a foe who could not adapt.The supplies the North will need to bring will have to come from the surface,their anti aircraft weapons are obsolete. When you have supply line you need to protect them with air superioty. The north's air force is a joke. \Its fighter pilots only get 10 hours of training per year, as opposed to 200+ hours for American pilots So their supplies will be will be tagets for the south korean air force and navy. 

Third the north does not have the supplies to last an operation this long.Its economic base only has enough fuel reserves to sustain operations for 2-3 months. So if its longer there supllies will be sapped.

The south can mount a counter attack. After an artillery and scud missile barrage there will be other ROK unit readying up to mobolize across the nation.

 

I am not saying that the march to Pyongyang will be like a walk in the park. At least initially, the Korean People’s Army and its military reserves will put up a fight,  the regime may not shy away from unleashing any nuclear capabilities they may have. Nor are the South Koreans going to be particularly restrained – one authority on the matter informs me that the South Korean officer class hates the Northern elites, and will probably “take no enemies, anyone associated with the party (which means all officers) will be eliminated”. However, there is no way that even a big  army – poorly trained, logistically-challenged, and armed with antiquated 1950′s/60′s-era Soviet weaponry – will be able to halt the advance of a modern military enjoying advanced space-based surveillance systems and complete air and naval superiority. An eventual Combined Forces victory is assured unless China escalates the ante by crossing the yalu river and do  acounter attack again.If this were to happen, all bets are off. China will probably be able to roll back the invasion forces to the DMZ. After all, it managed to do this in the 1950′s, when it was much more militarily backwards relative to the US. Now, it will have a big preponderance over land, while its new "carrier killing" ballistic missile,submarines, cruise missiles, and Flanker fighters are now, at some level, able to deny the seas off China to the US Navy, while its anti-satellite tests and cyberwar prowess means that the American dominance in space and information ought not be taken for granted either. . Now I am not saying that the Chinese Army (it ceased by the People’s Liberation Army recently) comes anywhere close to matching the American military; however, it might well already have the ability to defeat it in a local war on China’s borders. If China is successful, it will re-establish North Korea as its own protectorate, although under someone more rational and reliable than Kim Jong-il

 

      So your analyst is poor at best. You fail to mention that war is not only ground. Its air and sea as well. It will not be easy as Iraqi Freedom but it will be a defeat for the north. Their military is good for defense only and stop any invasion force,however them doing an invasion will be an epic fail. If china enters the war then the North Korea will survive,besides that an invasion force will be end in a disastourous defeat of the North. South Korea also knows that if it tries to do a counterattack it will face a major Chinese counter attack.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:47 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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You downplay the huge contingency of China's direct involvement in like, two lines, while admitting that such a contingency destroys your entire lengthy analysis.

China WILL take action, except, this time, it won't stop at the DMZ. South Corea belongs to China, not America.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:08 | Link to Comment jm
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You can't even spell "Korea".  Why should anyone here think you know your fat ass from a hole in the ground?

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:21 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Your lack of historical understanding is profound. I suggest you shut up before you embarrass yourself further.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:30 | Link to Comment jm
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Fat and stupid ass:

English-speaking people (the language you are using) refer to the nations as North and South "Korea".  Make yourself understood without pretension.

From the dozen-odd comments you've made on this one post, the only profound understanding you have is how to make a complete ass of yourself.

But you knew this, of course.  You even name yourself ass.

 

 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:34 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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I know that English speaking people refer to the nations as North and South Korea. I'm pretty sure that most people know this; thank you for pointing out the obvious.

You are basically using the argument "the sky is blue!!!" You are very simple minded.

I choose to refer to hanguo as "Corea," because I disagree with the monkey islanders who changed Corea's name to Korea. It is an exhibition of my racism.

But, of course, you are unable to see this. All you can do is talk about how blue the sky is and attempt to insult me. I tried to warn you, but you chose to embarrass yourself even more. Comedic, truly.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:49 | Link to Comment jm
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I have to think this a joke, laughing even as I type.   The cruelest oppression comes from the letter K.

Welcome to Zero Hedge.  You'll fit in with the other nuts just fine.  Chat up the "reptiles from space control everything" guys... they will make even you seem less a complete ass.

dzai jian.

 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:53 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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The monkeys didn't want "Corea" coming before "Japan" alphabetically. You are apparently Chinese, yet you do not understand racism and notions of racial superiority / hierarchy. A sad day.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:01 | Link to Comment jm
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Bu dueh.  Wo de Zhongwen bu hao.

You aren't Chinese.  They have too much true dignity to act like you.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 07:38 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Have you ever brought a Vietnamese girl home to your parents? A Corean girl? God forbid, a Filipina?

Chinese are the most racist race in existence. The fact that you are unaware of this only points to your sad Americanization.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 09:18 | Link to Comment jm
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Chinese people have their flaws and passions just like everybody.  But they would never act as shameless as you to a bunch of outsiders.   And most aren't this narrow-minded, anyhow.  Just respectful of tradition and suspicious of changes in the Way of things.

As for Americanization, this is a changing concept.  It still means to me self-reliance and entrepreneurship.  If a Chinese guy (or anybody for that matter) can come over and make something of himself by hard work, then he is Americanized.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 14:11 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Have you ever BEEN to China? People judge me based on where I'm from immediately, as soon as I open my mouth, even though I am Chinese!

This used to occur in a more racist, glorious American past, but Jewish media has made the American language common, uniform, and base. Accents are rarer are more subtle nowadays.

Americans do not see value in race, aka where a person is from, a person's origins and roots, anymore. Pathetic, simply pathetic.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 20:02 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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"reptiles from outer space control everything" shit! how'd you find out? I though that was one of our best-kept secrets......only for the initiated

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 14:55 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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This isn't actually as far fetched as people seem to make it out to be:

If God exists, he is most likely an alien with advanced technology. What form would this God take?

We Chinese claim to be descended from dragons. The Native Americans worshiped Quetzalcoatl. Hindus pay homage to nagas. Dragons play a prominent role in Western culture and religion, as well.

But, of course, commoners are unable to perform such mental exercises, and thus obviously immediately reject the idea of "omg space alien lizards LOL!!"

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:15 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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interesting....... I sort of get your drift, but your original reference to ZH'ers who would make such claims seemed sarcastic. Now I'm confused. Hey, I've got no answers to the aliens question....have little doubt "they" are out there, maybe visit here, etc. BUT what people miss is it's all on the physical plane. The Almighty is spirit. That's why the tiny dot of infinite energy (also physical) that became everything was "no big deal" to make. Ya ever notice the anti-BigBangers (and even the pro-BB) never even ASK.."well, then where did the dot come from"?

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:01 | Link to Comment Red Neck Repugnicant
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How to create a fatasswilly: 

2.5 cups pseudo-intellectualism

1 12oz can of bigotry

1 heaping tablespoon racism

4 cups douche baggery

1 teaspoon of sperm from Gary Busey

1 egg from ZH's very own SheepDog-One

 

Blend all ingredients together until frothy.  Squirt concoction up your ass using a common anal douche.  Wait nine months, and thefatasswilly will fall directly out of your rectum. 

Immediately discard.   

 

 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:25 | Link to Comment Spalding_Smailes
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+ 7 Suppressed Rupiah ... Instant Classic

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 21:41 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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How to abort a Fat Ass Willy?  Stuff a Red Neck Repugnicant up the impregnated ass anytime during the 45 minute gestation.  He will inform the radically racist fetus over and over how the Republicans did it and the abortion will be self initiated

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 07:34 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Name calling. Classic. It is what dimwits resort to when they are unable to produce an argument. Silence is better, son.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 11:16 | Link to Comment Red Neck Repugnicant
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Dear Pig Smegma

When you post obnoxious, racist, bigoted bullshit, don't get all incredulous when someone puts you on a rotisserie, lights the fire and stuffs and apple in your mouth. 

Having a debate with a proud racist is like having a knife fight with a hemophiliac - absolutely pointless, and you'll get no where.  So don't be surprised that I don't want to produce and argument. 

When I walk past a pile of shit, I don't stop and ask it why it smells.  

Go phuck yourself.  I prefer the ph spelling rather than the traditional f spelling, in deference to the acidity of racist monkeys like yourself. I'm sure you can understand this quirky little preference of mine.

 

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 11:22 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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I don't like you, but that was nicely done +1

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:17 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Why is being racist wrong? No one seems able to address this key issue. Keep attempting to insult me, though, it's hilarious in how pathetic it is.

Also, if you read closely, francismarion spews quite a bit of racist talk, as well (although the quality of his posts is far lesser than that of mine). Why do you not rail on him? Why do you not rail on the hordes of American racists on this board, who spew hatred towards China almost everyday?

Simple. You are a hypocrite (or simply too stupid to recognize subtle racism). All round eyes are hypocrites in their treatment of the concept of racism, and in a twist of even further comedy, you dimwits greet open racism with hostility! You cannot stand honesty.

Pathologically pathetic is the only way I can describe modern Americans. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance.

Edit: After thinking about it for a few minutes, I've figured out the reason for your hostility.

Fear. You round eyes, deep in your brown people raping hearts, fear us Chinese. You recognize our superiority, but refuse to acknowledge it in your conscious mind, because you subconsciously cling on to the absurd notion that whites are the master race.

This notion is evident in your attempt to foist your value systems onto a superior culture. It won't work. Even if America invades and occupies China (which will never happen), America will become China, not the other way around.

We absorbed the great Mongol lineage into our race, despite military defeat. Do you really think that your blood is superior to Genghis', round eye?

China is eternal. America is already crumbling. Distinct diminishing of racism is one of the primary causes of this disintegration, and here you are, a proud American, proclaiming that racism is wrong. Racism is essential to power, victory, domination, everything good and right!

You are utterly confused. Sad that someone as young as I sees things so much more clearly than someone as old as you.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:23 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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sorry, pal...nothing on this 8000-mi dia. dirtball is premanent; hate to pop your bubble

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:27 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Are you a fucking moron? Are you seriously unable to see into the future?

Obviously. Idiot American.

Within 500 years, humanity will have been united under one world government, most likely under Chinese leadership. At this point, we will reach into space in order to exploit new resources, expand our influence, and slaughter aliens.

When humanity reaches out into space, it will be as zhong guo, the center country.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 17:08 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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You be grossly demented, ya shit-for-brains IMBICILE. "Humanity" ha! I see your 25 cents and raise you a nickle for fuckin' "humanity's" powers. 500 years? 500 years?? You fuckin' numbskull. We'll be lucky to make it to 2016 with any semblence of "civilization" intact. Talk to me then.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 22:02 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Even if nuclear warfare occurs in 2016, is that the end of humanity? I doubt it. There will be people left. Rebuilding will not take millennia.

How can you seriously call me a numbskull? Are you really that stupid to not be able to see logic?

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:54 | Link to Comment Red Neck Repugnicant
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We absorbed the great Mongol lineage into our race

That's nothing.  We absorbed Sarah Palin into our national politics, and somehow we're still standing, too. 

When I read through your various posts, it reeks of a singular stench - a deep-seated inferiority complex about your own culture/race and how it measures against the "round-eyes."  Despite your arrogant, ethnocentric, self-congratulatory tone, I actually see the exact opposite in your writing - a knee-buckling, out-of-this-cosmos inferiority complex.  I see someone who endlessly measures themselves against others, rather than identifying himself on his own. You doth protest too much. 

You are a petri dish of psychological malfunction.  

The difference between you and most others on this forum is that you are pathetically trumpeting your superiority like a self-absorbed ego-maniac, while the others at ZH are doing exact opposite - pointing to the flaws and cracks within our own society and government, desperately trying to expose it, change it, or find solace among others who think similarly.  

We are looking to change the identity of modern America.  We recognize the faults.  We're disgusted with it.  You, on the other hand, and your fragile ego are obnoxiously searching for credibility and validation behind those goofy slanted eyes. 

Big difference.

 


Sun, 11/28/2010 - 16:11 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Why yes, what you do on ZH is indeed making a glorious change in America! I applaud your self congratulation!

You are actually spot on about the inferiority complex. I was made to feel inferior my entire life, because of my race. Yes, in the land of equality and opportunity, I was forced to deal with racism at every turn! This inferiority complex stemmed from my treatment at the hands of you round eyes! I would accept your apology (after all, racism is SO WRONG RIGHT?), except I don't give a shit anymore.

This is why I am so excited about the rerise of China, and the opportunity to study Chinese culture and compare it to Western culture. I have realized that I am NOT inferior; in fact, I am the opposite! You cannot understand the liberating sensation this brings, because of your race. It feels so incredible that I wish to trumpet it from every mountaintop and skyscraper, to somehow unleash this torrent of new, strange emotion!

You round eyes are about to experience a similar, opposite effect. It will be as difficult for you as my transition is glorious for me.

But yes, what you are doing is so much greater than newfound spiritual purpose, health, and enlightenment, right? You claim that I protest too much, then you imply that what you are doing is grand and profound, while admitting that all you are doing is protesting the current state of America (not that I disagree with this by itself or anything)!

Seriously, how is the CD treating you?

Lastly, it is patently pathetic the way you are unable to tolerate ideas you have already marked as "bad" or "wrong." Cheeky Bastard once made a remark which has made a profound effect on me: "When confronted with new ideas, you either reject or accept them, based on whether or not it fits into your preformed worldview, when what you should be doing is contemplating it, and then doing neither: simply keeping it around to contemplate further. You are mediocre." I truly hope that cancer has already taken his life; to be alive in this world is indeed a harsh punishment, as he undoubtedly understands thoroughly.

But I digress. He described you perfectly. Sad that this board is mostly filled with mediocrity nowadays. I am not "a petri dish of psychological malfunction," I am simply unique and brilliant. Once again, America is truly pathetic; it considers such exhibitions of original thought "malfunction." What is "functional," then? Being base? Being the same as everyone else?

Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic. Thus are the results of democracy, as predicted by Mencken almost a century ago. A few "intellectual" discussions on ZH will not alter this trend. I have given up on America, which is why I constantly denounce it, partially to rid myself of lingering love for this once great nation.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 19:53 | Link to Comment Red Neck Repugnicant
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Since you recall the words of Cheeky Bastard, I will do the same:  You, Sir, are a fucking idiot.

I can't even fathom how many times a slant-eyed goofball with a profound inferiority complex like yours was ridiculed in American schoolyards and laughed at by those pretty white girls who wanted nothing to do with that infamously small pecker of yours.

Sad. 

Now, as America shows her weakness, you find it as a source of vindication. You call it the rerise of China - your subconscious has chosen some marvelously revealing metaphors that Freud would find fascinating.     

lol.  

When the best defense of my own argument is simply a copy/paste of your post, the discussion must end.

Before I go, let me tell you a big secret: those pretty white girls still won't fuck you. 

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 21:59 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Yes. Chinese culture is worthless. America is the best. Always has been, always will be. Do you read this website, at all? Do you read Brzezinski? Do you understand history?

Obviously not, because you have resorted to claiming that I have a small penis. I saw this coming from a mile away: faced with overwhelming superiority, you make the lowest blow possible: slandering another man's manhood, the one part of a man that is always covered in public.

Truly brilliant, a fine example of American culture.

Oh, and why would I care about white girls? I prefer mixed, exotic girls: brazilian, persian, turkish, oh my! White girls are common, and would be glad to fuck me no matter how small my pecker is, as long as I have money and power. You have also revealed your lack of understanding of the finer gender. Truly American.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 02:18 | Link to Comment OldTrooper
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China WILL take action, except, this time, it won't stop at the DMZ.

First of all, dumbass, China didn't stop at the DMZ...the DMZ was established where China was stopped.

Second of all, dumbass, China won't do shit as long as the effects of the conflict are likely to remain confined to Korea (with a K).  Unlike the US 'leaders' the Chinese realize that what happens in Korea (with a K) doesn't really effect China too much.  Instead, they will continue to sell crappy merchandise at Wal-Marts and other fine retailers.

Of course, your delusions about China and Korea (with a K) - pathetic and ignorant as they are - do not justify yet another US war in some distant shit-hole to secure 'our freedom' (I suppose they mean our freedom to enjoy debased currency, TSA gropping, falling wages, government medicine, etc.)

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 07:36 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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"What happens to Corea doesn't really affect China too much."

LOL. Holy fucking shit, you Americans are really, really, really fucking stupid.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 09:14 | Link to Comment OldTrooper
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We may very well get a chance to see who is right, dumbass.

The lunatics are in charge, after all.  Good luck.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 20:38 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Uhh, the US did a pretty good job of stopping all HEAVY military equipment from being moved into South Vietnam.  You never heard of a Viet Kong in an APC or a tank did you?  There is a reason for that.

North Korea doesn't have the strong insurgency in South Korea as there was in Vietnam.  Any earnest invasion of South Korea will earn nothing but a nuclear counterstrike with HYDROGEN bombs.  Of course, this might trigger an all out war with China, but that will be more or less predetermined if the Chinese allow the North to invade the South.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 21:46 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Viet cong no, NVA regulars used plenty of tanks in taking firebases and especially after we left normally the PT-76.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 02:35 | Link to Comment OldTrooper
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You overestimate the effectiveness of the initial barrage, and underestimate the effectiveness and will of South Korea.

You also beg the question: What kind of moron hangs out in a room with a man holding a live grenade?

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Thanatos
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A meduim sized Chi/Nork EMP weapon addresses all of your concerns with respect to how our almighty military can FAIL.

Our "air power" won't be so hard to deal with once the magic smoke gets let out of all the pretty chips in those planes and they sit like scrap titainium in real expensive pig pens.

Also takes care of the S Korean econonomy at the same time.

You think like the generals from a 1950's war movie.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:36 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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He said magic smoke dissipator.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:25 | Link to Comment NotAlwaysSo
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Raptor avionics aren't made in China, no magic smoke for you.

 

EMP needs big missile at sufficient altitude. Not gonna happen. It would also render Chinese forces inop. EMP isn't picky or very predictable.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:50 | Link to Comment Real Estate Geek
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Or a relatively small missile that's launched from an aircraft.  Lot more bang for the buck what with the missile's high starting speed and altitude, combined with the fairly low air resistance up there.

EMP is picky in the sense that it's more effective against advanced electronics than primitive electronics. 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:36 | Link to Comment francismarion
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The date line chews up many a good posting. Oh, well.

Good Analysis. High Plains Drifter, Printfaster and Thanatos are idiots.

We win the war. But Seoul is devastated. Unpalatable.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:48 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Francismarion, I beg of you, please do not post. I've read your writing and am sad to say that you are either horribly ignorant, or terribly stupid. This fine website does not need your mediocrity.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:29 | Link to Comment francismarion
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These lines get past the date line

You are a Chinese supremacist. You have nothing to offer but Chinese supremacist views.

You do not analyze, you emote Chinese supremacism.

We have your number. You hate the US. You hate yourself, to judge from your name.

We have nothing to learn from you or your Chinese supremacists views which are mind-numbingly predictable and as removed from reality as China is from democracy and prosperity.

But I hope you keep on with your diatribe, as Sun-tzu said, 'Know your enemy.'

By the way, you cannot be both mediocre and horribly stupid at the same time. It's either one or the other. You are confused. Consult your masters for enlightment.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:37 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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LOL

Yes, I am a Chinese supremacist. Chinese is the master race, because of cultural reasons.

I have analyzed plenty; you are the one who fails at analysis and emotes US supremacy. Read your own posts.

You claim that Chinese supremacist views are predictable, yet you fail to understand the mentality of the Chinese state.

Hint: ALL Chinese are Chinese supremacists. We are culturally racist and superior to you, round eye.

"China is removed from prosperity."

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, are you really this fucking stupid? Typical American. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance.

Lastly, I consider "average" and "mediocre" to be horribly stupid, because I am very, very intelligent. It's simply a matter of relativity.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Red Neck Repugnicant
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I choose to refer to hanguo as "Corea," because I disagree with the monkey islanders who changed Corea's name to Korea. It is an exhibition of my racism.

 

In response to your wish to spell Korea with a "C" to proudly demonstrate your racism and bigotry, I have a similar request.

I, too, would prefer an alternative spelling with regard to your name. Instead of thefatasswilly, I prefer:

CoagulatedPigSmegmaWilly. 

Semantically, there is nothing in common, yet in true inner substance the DNA is a perfect match. To be clear, you are heated pig smegma. 

I call this to your attention in deference to the stunning number of pseudo-intellectual douche bags who make reproductive waste like you all to common.

Warmest regards,

RNR   

 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 21:52 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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We finally agree, cue the doves...

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 07:33 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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Ok? Call me names all you want, it reminds me of 1st grade, and all the imbecilities involved in such an elementary prism . . .

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 21:49 | Link to Comment dogbreath
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don't you have a wife to argue with.  why do people like you have to come to force your views through thread hijacking.  

you are getting boring,  fuck off.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Rather than action imminent, I see this as pump priming (hah!), in case double POMO Monday fails to ignite, they have readymade sheeple distraction ready.

Some green tracers (all night shots, always), a few far away explosions (bright green flashes), some garbled military exchange. Some US trained doof will shout C'mon C'mon C'mon and the sheeple will be in realiTV bliss, Black Friday, Blacker Monday be damned!

 

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/death-of-shame-death-of-nobil...

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:43 | Link to Comment Species8472
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See what happens when you don't finish the job.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:45 | Link to Comment Weimar Ben Bernanke
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North Korea does not stand a chance. South Korea can wipe the floor of North Korea even without our help. South Korea's military is advanced and have the best western planes,ships,armored units while north korea has 1960's antique planes. This not Iran who can win a war with assymetrical warfare and can give America its Adrianople. All the north has is biological,chemical,weapons,and nukie bombs. But they would risk massive retaliation from the US. We should just leave that region let them fight their own wars.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Saxxon
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Yes indeed.  The ROK Marines are very, very tough and they hate the Kims passionately.  SK would roll.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:45 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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Charlie feared the ROKs. But Charlie didn't have nukes (or surf). Ho was a communist fuckstick, but the wanker running NK is beyond barmy.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:55 | Link to Comment szjon
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i think I heard this argument before, was it Vietnam?

 

Do not underestimate the low tech soldier willing to charge the lines, technology has a habit of breaking and spoilt soldiers have a habit of panicking. We've seen it all before.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:47 | Link to Comment boeing747
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An invisible hand is behind South China sea tensions, China--Japan small island dispute now Korean conflict. Early this year we have Google-China dispute, Arms sale to Taiwan and South Korean warship down. All those were naturally happended?

 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:52 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Both sides want war because both sides need war. These bastards are going to keep fooling around over there until they get one started too. The North Koreans are a member in good standing of the Axis of Evil. They are not members of the IMF and they are on the shit list for elimination. How dare you try to exist without our "help".

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Printfaster
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If anyone doubts that NORK cannot destroy Seoul pay attention to the attack on the island.

In spite of the stupid headlines that the island barrage was artillery, that statement is completely false.  The island was barraged with MLRS missiles.

What does that mean?  An attack on Seoul would not be only by artillery, it would be by large scale MLRS barrage.  The problem with an MLRS barrage are:

1.  The warheads are bigger.

2.  The shooter is very mobile.

3.  In the time it takes to shoot a tiny artillery shell, 12 MLRS can be launched.

4.  MLRS can contain all kinds of nasty warheads as shown in the current attack.

5.  MLRS range limit is generally longer than artillery.

Make no mistake, this barrage was a rehearsal for destruction of Seoul, because the warheads were not anti military, they were anti personnel and anti-civilian structure.

It would take literally seconds for Seoul to be wiped out.  Then what?  Bomb Pyongyang?  Ha ha.

It was one cheap, expendable truck that launched the current attack.  What is the US going to use?  100 million dollar warplanes dropping $100,000 bombs?  Just who is going back to the stone age first?

Oh, and with all the citizens and soldiers of Seoul either dead or trying to dig out, where would a counterattack come from?  Mars?

 

 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:49 | Link to Comment trav7777
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if this is true, then ROK has no choice but to launch a preemptive first strike.

You're not very good at game theory here, are you?

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Printfaster
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I don't believe George Bush is US president.  I there is some guy named Barak in the Whitehouse.

Maybe there is a George Bush alter ego in ROK?

These are indeed desperate times, when it seems that war is the best alternative to mass destruction.  Bring on the dogs of war.

 

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 01:24 | Link to Comment OldTrooper
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So, besides being half-black, how is Barak so different from Bush?  Do you really still think it matters?

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 21:58 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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The Multiple Launch Rocket System is American, the NK do not have them..  Perhaps you are thinking of truck launched katushyas?  Any missile of any type is vastly more complex than an artillery tube, granted the fuzes can be complex.  But, the norks do not have a military dependant upon or for the most part using high tech, just the opposite, which makes them dangerous in a different way. Most of their tube artillery is emplaced in HARTS which have been mapped by our and ROK systems for years and updated fortnightly. I suggest more study of weapons systems prior to commenting.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 01:50 | Link to Comment OldTrooper
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3.  In the time it takes to shoot a tiny artillery shell, 12 MLRS can be launched.

And in the time it take to reload the rockets an artillery gun can shoot an awful lot of rounds - and move between fire missions too.  The initial 'advantage' of MLRS can quickly turn to a disadvantage.  Also, the fire of thousands of rockets, or any artillery for that matter, is easily wasted if no real targets are available.

BTW, I believe the SK are also equiped with US made MLRS - and I know for a fact that the 2nd ID has MLRS.  There may be more US MLRS in SK at the Army level too.  Someone that cares can check that out.

In all honesty I'd prefer to be supported by 8" guns or naval gunfire, even 155 howitzers.  They have good range, lots of shells and a wide variety of rounds available (HE, WP, smoke, ICM, illumination, Copperhead...).

Of course, none of this helps me understand why my son should end up fighting in Korea or how a war there will enhance my freedom.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 10:34 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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Lending dignity to what otherwise would be a vulgar brawl. - Ned

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Printfaster
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Trooper,

At this point, with all the rhetoric exhausted and the NORKs openly displaying nuclear capability, and the fact that we know China wants to drive the US off of Asia, and that China wants to assimilate Korea as they are doing with Tibet and inner Mongolia:

I hope that your son gets a chance to fight.  I admire his service to our country and our friends in South Korea.

More than likely the US will evacuate Korea and leave it to China to protect the South Koreans from the NORKs.  The US is simply incapable of protecting Seoul and its infrastructure.  The US can help in an invasion, but an escalating or monster artillery exchange are simply unstoppable.

As for the MLRS, it is the shear quantity, not the quality that is in question.  The ones launched against the island are cheap, and mass produced.  The explosive in them was largely propane. How cheap can you get.  The US MLRS are gold plated and incredibly expensive.

There is a point where quantity can overwhelm quality, and the NORK MLRS are exemplars.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:54 | Link to Comment MallaKite
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As Bobby Fischer, the great king side attacking player would say

......lets get a war going....no matter what it costs

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:25 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Yes and Mr Fischer's rants continuously got him in a world of shit too. Finally he died. Imagine that.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:02 | Link to Comment johny2
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Not sure if my memory serves me right, but the last time we had commodities run and oil surging, i think i remember Crises with N korea shooting some missiles.

 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:04 | Link to Comment Jake3463
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Well it does give Benny and the inkjets to point to something other than QE2 to point at as the reason for that occurring so they have an excuse for QE3

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:17 | Link to Comment johny2
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Its as obvious scam as Nigerian letters....just don't understand who still fails for this scams.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:26 | Link to Comment johny2
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and impossibly, i wish that N. Korean people would get rid of the Kim and refuse to play their part ( cannon fodder )

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Jake3463
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The average N. Korean has been told that the people outside N. Korea are vampires bent on eating their children.  

 

Just as Obama, Bush, Bernake, Geithner and Paulson saved us from a Great Depression.  The North Koreans are saved from the barbaric imperialist westerners on a daily basis by the grace and generosity of their dear leader.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:59 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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+

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:05 | Link to Comment Zon
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No way is their going to be war because of this. Who in there right mind would warn someone before attacking them(like north korea is doing). there just trying to stir up fear.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Jake3463
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N.Korea has to sell China that they are justified.  It is not a warning, it is a sale to an ally.

 

Hey Hu, we asked them not to do shit in there and gave them a few warning shots, the Belligerent Americans don't respect you or us type of sell.

 

 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:27 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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The Americans upped the ante when they sent the carrier task force into the Yellow sea. This is a direct insult to the Chi coms. Chinese like to play chess. Their next move is coming soon.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:40 | Link to Comment Jake3463
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Americans and Chinese both study Sun Tzu, difference is the Chinese actually understand it while the Americans have it as an accessory that they spout random quotes from.  Kind of like they do with the Bible.

 

The Chinese have baited more traps, and American governments have walked into them, than anything else.  The problem with the American Dragon vs. the Chinese Dragon, is the American Dragon can be easily tempted with meat on a stick.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:50 | Link to Comment trav7777
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for the love of god, china didn't have ELECTRICITY until the latter half of the 20th Century.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:02 | Link to Comment Jake3463
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Yet they somehow got our manufacturing base and stole all our weapons.

"China" was not a united country till after WWII.

Just like Germany went from infighting principalities to WWI to WWII being a very fierce country, China has rocketed itself into the modern era at quite a quick pace.

 

Generally by exploiting the stupidity and Greed of the US Government.

 

3 words.  Rare Earth Metals.  We have, China dumped them onto the market and shut down our mines.  They got the computer industry to fight the mining industry to prevent tariffs from being slapped on.  

 

These people are kicking our ass, arguing about where they were 60 years ago is like saying Germany can't do anything because we bombed them to oblivion.  

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:22 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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The only armies China has ever defeated are their own. They couldn't beat the Japanese, Koreans, British, Mongols etc. Good business men... weakness for drugs, gambling and graft. 

North Korea would get destroyed and have a revolution at the same time. Very old culture looking for a reason to reunite with the South and rebuild from the Japanese Invasion. 

This has all the hallmarks of a banker jerkoff for defense fund debt. 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:01 | Link to Comment thefatasswilly
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LOL

Stop posting and read a book, moron.

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