S&P Downgrades Portugal Again To BBB-/A-3, Outlook Negative, Still Somehow Investment Grade

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Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:42 | 1112369 oogs66
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greece also downgraded

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:42 | 1112376 TheGreatPonzi
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DOW +5% to celebrate this.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:44 | 1112377 John McCloy
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You would think these agencies would learn to downgrade prior to governments collapse.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:46 | 1112397 oogs66
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And why do they think they can still differentiate  BBB+ from BBB from BBB- when its clear that they can barely tell the difference between AA and BBB! 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:44 | 1112378 oogs66
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The guy who does Ireland must be out sick, and Spain must have begged not to be cut.  Moody's must be in a panic to get fresh downgrades out now too.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:44 | 1112384 Rockfish
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Whats happening in Ireland?

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:51 | 1112419 A Man without Q...
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Nothing that can be put off until tomorrow.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:44 | 1112388 A Man without Q...
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LISBON—The Bank of Portugal on Tuesday cut its economic growth forecasts for this year and next and said substantial measures will be needed to meet the government's deficit-reduction goals.

In its Spring Economic Bulletin, the central bank said it now expects gross domestic product to contract this year by 1.4%, more than the 1.3% contraction it forecast in its Winter Bulletin. It also cut its GDP growth forecast for 2012 to 0.3% from 0.6% previously, partly because of the effects of the government's deficit-cutting measures.


Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:49 | 1112403 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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The Bernank has sent out the order on behalf of his masters:

"Europe must fall first. We need more time to loot the U.S."

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:03 | 1112458 Josh Randall
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Mad Max has a great point that a low Euro helps German exports


However Merkel getting kicked in the cat during these elections could mean the total end is near if the German people aren't willing to float this thing along too much further

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:04 | 1112480 TwoShortPlanks
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That woman could not get any more attractive.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:03 | 1112460 Dr. Engali
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I agree. The Euro will collapse first as we get a strong dollar rally to shake out the weak shorts then we will see the mother of all fiat collapses.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:47 | 1112404 firstdivision
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So at this pace we should see CCC in about 2 to 3 years then?

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:49 | 1112407 jkruffin
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Bubble Bubble Ben's in TROUBLE..................

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:50 | 1112410 Republican Lackey
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More inflationary news. Defaults flood the market with dollars!

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:50 | 1112415 oogs66
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looks like Ireland 10 year should hit 10% yield and portugal could cross 8% soon.  Not as exciting as the DOW 12,000 'round' number everyone loves to talk about, but can't be good.  Curves are all inverted and if anything seems the inversion is getting worse, at least in Greece.


Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:11 | 1112507 TwoShortPlanks
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Yeah, Bonds Yields hit 10%, Interest Rates are set at 1%, and unemployment is skyhigh...how the fuck is that part of any sensible recovery???

The whole system is set to trip-up.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:52 | 1112422 Racer
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It will stay investment grade until 5 minutes after it collapses to worthless

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:55 | 1112433 oogs66
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the BBB- for portugal is just a cruel trick. It will give dumb banks the hope its still 'money good' and probably let them fund positions cheaply at ECB, to ensure that when it finally goes, only dumb banks will own them.  Thus forcing governments to bail them out!  Hmmm...maybe not so dumb? 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:55 | 1112424 Josephine29
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Not again......

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:57 | 1112432 TradingJoe
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Nothing "Blinks" anymore, as long as Benjie keeps printing! What a Tragedy we all have to witness! The world is hinging upon some old greedy seniles!

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:57 | 1112435 tallen
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I wish S+P set my exams for university. It would literally be impossible to not get a 1st.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:00 | 1112442 Hannibal
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All socially constructed abstract numbers and digits on a computer screen, i.e. abstract fluff. It all doesn't matter.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:13 | 1112520 rufusbird
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I suspect that the time spent to determining the ratings was more on the telephone than the spreadsheets...

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:29 | 1112615 scratch_and_sniff
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Yeah, sov downgrades already priced in.(they did it when i wasn't looking)

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:57 | 1112668 Widowmaker
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More fabricated bullshit from the ratings fraud cartel.

On a scale between 0 and infinity S&P gets a -14 which is above expectations in the land were below average is an asymptropic anomoly marked to make believe until premiums are paid.

Save us, Falcore, fraud-bonuses depend on it!


Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:47 | 1112692 treemagnet
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S&P would probably rate a loan to my sister "investment grade"

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:59 | 1112745 Widowmaker
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Depends on how much your sister puts out and how much Diet Coke is in her fridge.

"Investment grade is fraud bought and paid."

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 11:50 | 1112962 sbenard
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News is irrelevant. Freedom is even irrelevant. We have printed prosperity now!

I wonder what is going to happen when news hits the market that can not be dismissed, on a day when everyone wants to sell and there are no buyers. Are we all counting on "the greater fool" to bail us out? Could get interesting!

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 15:50 | 1113957 midnight
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Financial terrorism

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 21:48 | 1115281 Papasmurf
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No need to be concerned.  All you do is package a bunch of these puppies into a government fiat bond fund with one dollar worth of US Treasury inside.  Then it can bear the rating of US treasury bonds.  That should help for a month or two.

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