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S&P Sells Out (Again), Confirms Greece At BBB+, Removes Greece From CreditWatch Negative, Sends Market Higher
In case you were wondering what just sent the market and commodities higher, and killed the dollar, look no further: S&P just released a note confirming Greece at BBB+, and removing the country from CreditWatch negative, presumably a major euro positive, a major dollar negative, and today's nitrous boost to stocks... Here is the forest for the trees: the market is again dependent on the moronic filth spewed forth by rating agencies. As to what turbo austerity will do to Greek GDP, ah, who cares. S&P will cross that bridge when Greek GDP plummets 10%.
Overview
- We view the Greek government's total package of deficit reduction measures as appropriate to achieve its 2010 fiscal target, given the deterioration in Greece's growth prospects.
- We are affirming our 'BBB+/A-2' sovereign credit ratings on Greece and removing them from CreditWatch negative.
- The negative outlook reflects our view of the government's ability to sustain reform momentum in the medium term.
Rating Action
On March 16, 2010, Standard & Poor's Ratings Services affirmed its 'BBB+' long-term and 'A-2' short-term sovereign credit ratings on the Hellenic Republic (Greece). At the same time, the ratings were removed from CreditWatch, where they had been placed with negative implications on Dec 7, 2009 (the long-term rating) and Dec. 16, 2009 (the short-term rating). The outlook, which was stable prior to the CreditWatch placement, is now negative.
Rationale
On March 5, 2010, the Greek parliament approved its third set of deficit reduction measures to reinforce its budgetary consolidation strategy and meet its deficit target of 8.7% of GDP in 2010. We view the government's fiscal consolidation program as supportive of the ratings at their current level, hence our rating affirmation.
The additional package--which we understand should reduce the deficit by €4.8 billion--includes measures on both the revenue side, such as increases in VAT rates and excise tax duties, and the expenditure side, such as cuts in the public wage bill, public investment, and current spending, which will bring the total budgetary effort for 2010 to €16 billion (6.9% of 2010 GDP) according to the government's estimates. We view the government's total package of measures as appropriate to achieve its 2010 fiscal target, given the deterioration in the country's growth prospects. According to our revised growth forecast, we expect the recession to continue, with real GDP contracting by 4% this year.
Despite the new measures, we think it will be difficult for Greece to comply fully with its planned consolidation path, reducing its deficit to 5.6 % of GDP in 2011 and 2.8% of GDP in 2012, if it does not implement additional measures in the coming years. We expect much weaker medium-term growth than official forecasts, and, consequently, an erosion of the tax base, while, in addition, we understand that age-related expenditures are likely to increase by 0.8% of GDP over 2010-2015. Moreover, in our opinion, if the currently high borrowing costs persist--the spread on Greece's recently issued 10-year bond was 300 basis points above the mid-swap--the large and growing debt burden, which we currently expect to peak at about 133% of GDP in 2012, is likely to increase further. In light of these considerable budgetary challenges and the difficult economic environment, it remains to be seen whether Greece's leaders will demonstrate the political will necessary to achieve fiscal consolidation. However, our base-case scenario is that the Greek government will implement the necessary reforms to engender sufficient market confidence to reduce borrowing costs.
Notwithstanding potential extraordinary support from European Economic & Monetary Union (EMU) member states, we reiterate that our ratings on Greece will continue to depend on its stand-alone credit rating fundamentals and not benefit from an implicit rating floor. However, extraordinary EMU member state assistance would, in our view, help the Greek government meet its targets.
Outlook
The negative outlook reflects our view of the government's ability to sustain reform momentum over the medium term. It indicates further downgrade potential within the next 18-24 months if the government fails to:
- Address negative deviations from its budgetary consolidation path, including those due to persistently high borrowing costs; or
- Implement the currently planned structural reforms, due, among other things, to an eventual faltering in political resolve to push through the necessary reform measures.
- Either shortcoming would, in our opinion, delay the reversal of the government debt trajectory and could lead to lower ratings.
An outlook revision to stable would be possible in the event of compliance with the government's budgetary targets, implementation of structural reforms in the social security system, and an easing of borrowing costs. These factors
could, in our view, lead to a reversal in Greece's government debt trajectory.
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- We view the Greek government's total package of deficit reduction measures as appropriate to achieve its 2010 fiscal target, given the deterioration in Greece's growth prospects.
- We are affirming our 'BBB+/A-2' sovereign credit ratings on Greece and removing them from CreditWatch negative.
- The negative outlook reflects our view of the government's ability to sustain reform momentum in the medium term.
There is an Italian Icy's chance in hell that Greece is going to pull off that austerity plan as stated. Even if they succeed, thew will end up somewhere in between a bad recession and a small depression. It is close to sickening to see everyone simply ignore the facts as if it they will somehow just disappear. Let's walk through some facts as presented in "Greek Crisis Is Over, Region Safe", Prodi Says - I say Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!Headline:market rallies 200 points as Tiger announces return to golf.
QUIZ TIME: If the USA gets their way and China de-links to dollar, the USA dollar drops to ______.
Be careful what you wish for USA, you may get it and then what will you do?
IMO thats what the U.S. wants. The dollar to drop and the yuan to skyrocket, then the Chinese will be forced to invest outside of China. Buying companies,propeties, ect.. in the U.S.. The Chinese will be filthy rich and their exports won't be as cheap. i.e. Japan in the 80s.
"Be careful what you wish for USA, you may get it and then what will you do?"
Sell more products? since our goods will be cheaper.
Take your pick for the next stop for bond vigilantes: spain, italy, portugal,uk.
My thoughts exactly. S&P just picked up the walkie talkie, called up the guard outside the triage center and said one word.
"NEXT"
Who gives a flying f--k what happens to the Euro-Dollar cross...? I mean, really...! Are ANY G-8 fiat currencies any better than any other? What's with this passion for playing rate games and spreads when we know the endgame? If these guys are so absolutely DESPERATE for more paper-dollar-bill yield in whatever currency, they're playing what we all know will be a losing game.
They don't realise it yet, but as the years go by the big game is changing from "play-paper-against-paper-for spread" to "preserve-the-wealth-you-have-in-something REAL"...
They had to get the market above 1150 some how. Next stop S&P 10,000!
Hey buddy, what gives with the Avatar?
That's it, keep the global Ponzi scheme going....
Selling out? You really want me to talk about US politicians selling out or rating agencies selling out to US corporations? C'mon Tyler, the whole system is about selling out to the highest bidder.
Poscard from Naxos, an island with spectacular beaches:
Breathtaking in its naked audacity. If a national leader does not emerge soon to oppose the destruction of America via this kleptocracy, well, we'll have the destruction of America. It's a shame that valiant souls have fought and died to protect my freedoms only to cede it to the bankers.
Who are these people that believe these idiot ratings agencies? Surely after the sub-prime fiascos their credibility is shot to pieces?
That's just what I was thinking. Why does anyone continue to pretend that those mental midgets still have a leg to stand on?
Rating agencies are a farce, but in the pension world, where decisions are taken with a cover-your-ass political mindset, they are used as a scapegoat when things go awry. In Canada, they invested billions in asset-backed commercial paper (ABCP) because the rating agencies slapped a AAA rating on them. When things went bad, they blamed the rating agencies, but they never bothered looking at the assets behind these securities. Same in the US with auction-rate securities. Total joke.
These rating agencies should be held accountable for the fraud they have already committed in the U.S.. Their ratings have no credibility.
We need a rating agency to rate the rating agencies.
Black states that they should just be shut down until fixed....
Black is a man I have great respect for.
Black will never be allowed anywhere near a rating agency...
Does the market go up simply as a big pretence and all pals together.. all in each other's pocket... you scratch my back situation..
ratings agencies... rate... GS and JPM gun the futures higher, so eveyone is led to believe that the ratings agencies are a credible force because of consequences on their actions.
You can fool people into believing lies and not trusting their own judgements if you have the power and the will to do so.
The TBTF have been allowed this power and are abusing it all over the place and know they can get away with it, so they just keep doing it, until they completely wreck the world because of their pure greed
Oh and Moody's warning to US and UK had no bearing on markets. Oh, that's right, that's a matter for another generation.
of course not, they are only little matters in comparison to Greece after all.......
Would I love to be a fly on the wall in these political think tanks and observe the banter that goes on with these imbeciles wielding all that power around. Then the bankers lighting fat stogies and delightfully reminiscing about what happened 1 1/2 years ago as if it was an electric event. All this because they have power, money, a job and influence on how we should live our lives. Boy, should this thing turn (and I gather we all here agree it will), I surely expect to see their blood dripping down their eyeballs and this time with no recourse.
What's with all the focus on Greece, we still have Iceland, Italy, Portugal, UK in the barrel
My pet hamster could give better advice than the idiot rating agencies!
Steve Lies Man sitting smugly behind desk. "Today we have Gimp's pet hamster on to discuss rating agencies." Hamster 'sits' in chair wearing 3 piece siut, and tie. "So, Mr Hamster, what do you make of all this talk about rating agency downgrades for Greece, the UK, and the US? You don't believe that the foremost superpowers in the world could have their credit rating snatched from them, do you?" Becky laughs. Hamster looks at Lies Man with disdain. "Does he have a mic?" asks Lies Man. "Will someone mic him up?" Hamster jumps off chair, then promptly throws the mic in the trashcan and walks of set.
Conflicted much? Anyone want to pay me for a rating? I'll promise to give you a good one!
Who did the rating? E&Y or did Arthur Anderson get raised from the dead? Fucking joke!
Why anyone listens to these rating agencies (or better yet pays them) is beyond me. Our shop does not adhere to the rating agencies nor do our investment policies mention them. The rating agencies are not a valid investment parameter for us.
Momentum? None of the proposed measures have begun to take effect yet, and already there is massive resistance from every possible direction. All talk and zero probability of action. Any honest rating should be based on expectation of no reform whatsoever.
"Its a joke...its all a joke...."
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Easy credit. Then massive debt.
We need a ratings agency outside the US and not subject to the FED or the current administration's policies. And eventually because of the global demand we'll get one.
I wonder if US is buying Greek debt. That would be one way to support Greece without proclaiming a bail out.
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