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Spanish Police Brutality Multiple Choice Time

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When is the best time to attack a woman if you are a Spanish policeman?

a) When she is non-threatening

b) When she is defenseless

c) When you are caught on tape

d) Anytime really

e) All of the above

This Spanish upholder of the law has just passed with flying colors: fast forward to 30 seconds in.

h/t Moritz


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Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:18 | 1316114 SoNH80
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Sons of Franco.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:33 | 1316202 bonddude
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"Hello, Lincoln Brigade?!?"

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:41 | 1316229 SoNH80
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The very unlucky Spanish Anarchists, during the Civil War, were murdered en masse by both the Nationalists (Franco) and the Republicans (Spanish Communist Party/Stalin).  In Barcelona, the Anarchist groups were the most genuinely popular among ordinary citizens.  That didn't stop the NKVD, with American Communists in the Lincoln Brigades, from killing their leadership and foot soldiers.  The history of Spain may be turning from the sunny post-1975 narrative to what it was from the time of Napoleon to the time of Franco.  Vaya con Dios, Espana.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:16 | 1316396 Dutch_Gemma
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Dear Sir, the Spanish Communist party was not supported by Stalin on account of his links to France at the time.  Therefore Stalin's communist party actually supported the right-wing fascists and Franco.


Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:20 | 1316445 SoNH80
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That is false.  Period.

Spanish Civil War

During the Spanish Civil War, NKVD agents, acting in conjunction with the Communist Party of Spain, exercised substantial control over the Republican government, using Soviet military aid to help further Soviet influence. The NKVD established numerous secret prisons around Madrid, which were used to detain, torture, and kill hundreds of the NKVD's enemies, at first focusing on Spanish Nationalists and Spanish Catholics, while from late 1938 increasingly anarchists and Trotskyists were the objects of persecution. In June, 1937 Andres Nin, the secretary of the anti-Stalinist Marxist POUM, was tortured and killed in an NKVD prison.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 20:01 | 1318490 FreedomGuy
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Frankly, fascists and communists are two different but closely related flavors of socialism. The fascists allow free markets and companies favored by the state while commies do not. Both believe in centralized heavy handed states. They often compete because totalitarians never like competition. Both are ruthless and believe any means are justified on the way to achieving their ends. Both are nearly identical with single party rule, reeducation camps/death camps and ideological empires.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:31 | 1316498 SoNH80
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Junk away, Comrade Koba.  Come over here to the U.S.A., we have a very special gift for the likes of you.  Act now!

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:53 | 1316595 Oh regional Indian
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A nicer video perhaps.

Disclaimer. My work....


Fri, 05/27/2011 - 13:15 | 1317298 Rich_Lather
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Fri, 05/27/2011 - 14:00 | 1317530 Ag1761
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Splendid stuff, I watched that and woke up 2 hours later having flushed all thoughts of my impending visit to Spain and being caught up in Civil War. I'm off to assess some failures in one of their desalination plants and I plan to avoid getting my head kicked in by the STASI.


Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:22 | 1316770 sun tzu
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You couldn't be so stupid. Stop lying to yourself.

Hitler supported Franco Nationalists. Stalin supported the Republican Socialist/Communist Party. 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 12:28 | 1317103 Chuck Walla
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Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:14 | 1316385 I am more equal...
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Gives new meaning to the term 'running with the bulls'

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:50 | 1316573 TheLurker
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To think that there won't be brutality is naive. The select few who have everything have just that: everything to lose. They won't go down without a fight. Even the paid thugs in this video are protecting their families. Gotta put food on the table somehow.

Imagine if the crowd were really pissed. Five to one, baby/ One in five/ No one here gets out alive...

Math never lies. We got the numbers.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 12:15 | 1317058 BigJim
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... and they got the weapons, training, and communications infrastructure.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 13:23 | 1317353 TheLurker
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Then invest in kneepads because you'll be kneeling your entire life.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 21:31 | 1324028 BigJim
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Kneepads, shinpads, elbow pads, kidney pads, Ileotibial-Tract pads, arm pads, head pads... it's all good.

The police are dressed for war... maybe the protestors should be, too.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 13:43 | 1317446 GoinFawr
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... but we guard them while they sleep. They should not fuck with us.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 21:34 | 1324037 BigJim
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The problem is... who are 'they'? A bunch of anonymised thugs granted the monopoly on violence. If you recognise one of them beating up a defenceless woman and happen to live next door to him, then great. Feel free to make your feelings known.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 14:21 | 1317648 mkkby
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If she were my sister, he would be "visited" in the dark and when his army is away, mano a mano.  I would quietly explain the reason for my visit.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 16:32 | 1318085 rocker
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+1000   What a fucking shame. My jaw drops to watch such police brutality.  Going to the Gun shop tonight.

            Need bigger and faster products.   No explanations needed. They better not even think of it here.

            Just what are the police pissed off about. Who do they serve. They are attacking citizens. Eh.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 20:02 | 1318497 FreedomGuy
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All totalitarian regimes depend completely upon a relatively loyal police force (which they often purge). I hope most Western countries could not count on that if an authoritarian leader emerged.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 13:57 | 1317533 swamp
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Women have endured this brutality from men all over the world for eons now. This is nothing new. In some countries, she is blamed for the beastality of men, in most others, a small percentage of men are even prosecuted. Try living in a country where homicide, robbery and burglary are not prosecuted, or in others where only 3% to 6%  are prosecuted and convicted.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 16:25 | 1318072 trembo slice
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most importantly: they have a monopoly on the "legal" use of force.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 13:07 | 1317260 fuu
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Everyone say hi to the new Wanger.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:21 | 1316119 Xibalba
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Made in the USA

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:35 | 1316212 Use of Weapons
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Whoever junked you doesn't know diddly squat about the arms trade.

To date, there are over 45,000 expandables in service throughout Spain and over 3 million in
use by police agencies
around the world.

Document contains manufacturer's details for Spanish batons [expandable].


Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:42 | 1316241 SheepDog-One
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Well I own an Asp too.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:45 | 1316256 Missing_Link
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Whoever junked you doesn't know diddly squat about the arms trade.

Right, so, those who make batons and tear gas are responsible for all the ways in which they're used.  Suuuuuuure.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:52 | 1316303 strannick
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They probably thought they'd use them to grind paprika and elicit tears in street musicals. No culpibility there.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:32 | 1316486 SoNH80
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So who's more to blame?  The seller of an inanimate object, or the user of the inanimate object?  When in doubt, blame America!  When it rains, blame America!  When the police in a foreign country brutalize, blame America!  Well, I guess the Europeans just can't stomach the fact that their "cultured, civilized" police are clubbing young, small women with American batons.  So blame America, I guess. Ugh.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:33 | 1316509 Rodent Freikorps
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For the Blame America First crowd, they'd claim any rocks used were imported from the US.

Commie baby seals, club them while they are fresh.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:39 | 1316532 SoNH80
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Right on.  Take a look at "Dutch Treat" @ 1316396 , at the top of the thread, he's a GENUINE Stalinist!  Not just a commie, but a hard-core capital-C Commie! -- denying historical facts!  Man, Europe is an F'ing swamp, what a nightmare.  I'm just about ready to give up on ZH, the problem is, all these A-holes (sort of) know English.... 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 13:54 | 1317464 GoinFawr
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Heh, check YOU out: it's 2011 and you still think Stalinism=Communism, how dumb is that?
And you're right, all this 'blame america' stuff is just plain redundant. I mean the US can't afford UHC but they spend a trillion dollars a year on making war on anyone poor enough not to be able to properly defend themselves but having lots of oil (or other valuable assets) to exchange for repairing the infrastructure destroyed by the war started by the US, is anybody really surprised when their weapons get used to stomp out the righteous?

Like the guy says, guns don't kill people, people kill people. It's kind of like blaming the US just because they created the first nuclear weapon; that doesn't mean they are responsible for those who first used it on civilian populationS.... erm, nm, scratch that last part.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 14:42 | 1317739 SoNH80
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My point was, that during the Spanish Civil War, Communist agents, under the direction of Stalin, killed Spanish Anarchists, in the thousands.  That is a historical fact.  Read some history, friend, there is much about the '30s (what Orwell called the Low, Dishonest Decade with good reason) that has been over-simplified, airbrushed, "sweetened."  FYI I am not a jingoist, I am an American patriot, there are still a few dozen of us left.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 15:26 | 1317856 GoinFawr
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Patriot? Hunh, I never had you pegged for someone who voted for Ralph Nader in 2008; live and learn.

Do you agree with the following quote,
"Patriotism doesn't mean simply going along with what your gov't says, patriotism means supporting the principles for which your gov't is supposed to stand"?

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 15:32 | 1317926 SoNH80
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Ralph Nader?  That washed-up, clueless wheel-spinner?  He is the DEFINITION of someone rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, Waiting For Godot, or shall I say, Waiting for FDR.  Begging the banksters to stop pounding up quite so hard, lol, good luck with that.  If you haven't learned the futility of conventional politics on ZH, well.....

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 00:38 | 1317956 GoinFawr
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'Futile'? Hardly. Sheesh, you can misnome with the best of 'em:
Freedom of Information Act, Clean Drinking water Act.... Ralph Nader's list of contributions goes on for awhile regardless of your wilful ignorance. Pretty useful four (count em: 4) decades of service to mainstreet america, successful without even making it to POTUS, despite giving you four chances at it. It's not Ralph's fault you're too duped to recognize that he is the only one who would actually stand behind that constitution you allegedly hold in such high regard.

No problems with the quote, then?

But yeah, he's really really really old, now. Still got some 'fire in his belly', I've heard. Not so great in an O'Reilly bark-out these days, I know. Though he's never shied away from the opportunity, as far as his health allows...

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 08:27 | 1319100 SoNH80
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He is anti-gun ownership, and pro-nanny state, so I oppose his politics, despite the fact that he is less reptilian than the average pol.

Mon, 05/30/2011 - 14:26 | 1322598 GoinFawr
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And your typical `All or nothing`, no compromise position, is exactly why the US will never escape the plutocracy that has captured it.

The 'Nanny state' talking point is such a tired overstatement; Ronald Reagan Rote. A trillion fiatscos plus annually go to changing the filthiest type of diapers daily on the 'bottle fed' military: Ralph as POTUS, if he survived long enough, would take care of that in a very 'anti-Nanny' sort of way. Even today that 'money' would buy a helluva lot of bandaids. RN would also undoubtedly abruptly wean corporations from the public's nipples, which would help set a lot of broken bones. IE you need to realize that you are IN a nanny state right now, and Ralph's actual goal is to get you out of it; the very opposite of your misapprehension.

One question to ask yourself when it comes to Ralph Nader: Do you really think he would have bailed out the banks before mainstreet in 2008, and everyday since?

IMO the probable answer to that question alone should have directed your voting the last 4 elections.

Thank you for automatically summarizing a couple of the more serious problems plaguing the American psyche, and the success of those propagating them.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:17 | 1316728 sun tzu
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Damn those Swedish batons and Italian Berettas. The Europeons are savages

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:24 | 1316784 Rodent Freikorps
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Isn't baton a French word?

Lots of dodgy stuff is still in the original French.


Fri, 05/27/2011 - 14:14 | 1317592 sun tzu
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Yes, it means stick

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 20:09 | 1318500 FreedomGuy
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Guns are used for self defense and freedom. Guns are used for aggression and oppression. The problem is not the gun. Those who don't have them are usually doomed to oppression. That why the first thing all totalitarians do is to remove the right of ownership. It is always job one to maintain the oppression.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:57 | 1316311 Terminus C
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I think I understand your name now.  You are missing the links between your brain cells. 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:42 | 1316535 tarsubil
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That was an incredibly weak insult. I expect better on ZH.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:15 | 1316411 Whatta
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Speaking of Amde in some of this guys work.

Shows how close we are to a Police State

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:59 | 1316992 Muir
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'Right, so, those who make batons and tear gas are responsible for all the ways in which they're used.  Suuuuuuure."


Yes, moron.



Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:43 | 1316261 Rodent Freikorps
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Which is just a paper weight until a Spanish policeman picks it up.

But, carry on with bashing the US for any conceivable sin, however ridiculous.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:18 | 1316413 nmewn
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LOL...yeah, I just got done cleaning my Berreta here, reloaded it and laid it down on the patio table my amazement it jumped up and starting shooting randomly.

Damnedest thing I ever saw ;-)

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:23 | 1316444 Rodent Freikorps
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They all come with their own auto-firing demon.

Just ask a commie lib.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:34 | 1316495 nmewn
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Its amazing, it really is.

Its never the human...its always the knifes fault...or the car, the rope, the baseball bat, the gasoline, the electricity etc.

Its like some of us live in different worlds.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:36 | 1316519 SoNH80
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It is the result of social conditioning, where people are taught to blame a neutral object (a gun, a baton) for a bad outcome, instead of the bad person using the object, as a result of an ideological decision to excuse bad human behavior, while at the same time, encouraging the restriction of defensive techologies from the hands of civilians.  It's a meme, or a mental sickness, that is endemic in certain societies and political circles.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:42 | 1316549 tarsubil
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Pretty much.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:08 | 1316662 nmewn
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And its a great excuse to employ still more regulators/bureaucrats/statists of all descriptions...a little feed back loop all to its own.

I see you got three junks for speaking the truth, how cool is that? ;-)


Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:43 | 1316893 AnAnonymous
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It is the result of social conditioning, where people are taught to blame a neutral object (a gun, a baton)


Or it is the result of social conditioning when people are taught to deny that objects are designed with an intent and to serve a purpose. Objects are not neutral.


Propagandists should renew their propaganda. The "people kill people, not guns" flawed approach has been debunked for ages now.


Objects are not neutral and the days a rich country army display butter knifes instead of AR is still to come. Somehow, people in situation no longer think that objects are neutral.

The US citizen nature is eternal.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:53 | 1316931 tarsubil
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"Propagandists should renew their propaganda. The "people kill people, not guns" flawed approach has been debunked for ages now."

Oh really? I myself prefer the saying, "Guns don't kill people, I kill people."

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:55 | 1316938 SoNH80
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You know what, dude, you don't think that a French baton would have served the purpose as well?  The American baton manufacturer was likely chosen because it was the lowest bidder, so the Spanish taxpayer was saved a few pesetas in meeting Spain's fascist-girl-clubbing needs.  I'd say that the bad actor here was the SPANISH COP, but what do I know, I'm not familiar with Foucault's Theory of Agency for Inanimate Objects, must have missed that course offered for Europeans in their 11th year at "University".

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:59 | 1316993 Rodent Freikorps
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And looking at the polls, not likely to change any time soon.

Even with the massive change in demographics.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 12:22 | 1317072 MayIMommaDogFac...
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and the days a rich country army display butter knifes instead of AR is still to come

Wow!  That is an interesting assertion.

Did this come to you in a vision from HPV [sic] and Djwal Luke-Warm [sic]?

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 12:16 | 1317060 Crack-up Boom
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It doesn't even have to be taught.  Ever seen a toddler "run" helter skelter and crash into a chair?  Invariably, hell sya "bad chair!"  It's up to the adults int he room to teach him that his actions caused the pain, not the chair.

Where are the adults in the room?! 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:36 | 1316522 zaknick
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Remember, when the SHTF and you are out there Constitutionally attempting to disperse the oligarch's gov it'll be this asshole, topcallingtroll and tgat pee on China bitch who'll be beating and murdering freedom seekers.

KKK Empire Redneck scum.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:40 | 1316539 Rodent Freikorps
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All you America haters do is make me want to club protesters.

Is that your goal?

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:24 | 1316760 zaknick
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I'm locked and loaded and waiting for little bitches like you who deserve to live off of other people's suffering. Ha! Bring it bitch!

Gonna take that baton and stick it up your ass sideways....literally!

Fascist bankster cock sucker!

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:26 | 1316804 Rodent Freikorps
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Bitch, please.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:46 | 1316891 SoNH80
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Something tells me, Mr. Zaknick, that you are (1) a vegan, (2) have a single-speed bicycle (MSRP $789), and (3) live in a Portland, Oregon "commune."  If I'm wrong, please correct me.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 14:14 | 1317548 GoinFawr
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And something tells me you see anal polyps every time you open your eyes, which is a rare event. If I'm wrong, please correct me by correcting yourself and your knee jerk jingoist blather. Though judging from the massive load of manure you`ve dumped all over this thread you`ve got your work cut out for you; so despite the horrible smell I won`t be holding my breath...

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 14:14 | 1317606 sun tzu
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You have nothing to offer but shit because you are full of it

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 14:30 | 1317681 GoinFawr
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oh snap! Nice outfit btw, did SoNH80 pick it up for you on the way back from the `ten minute hate`?

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 14:49 | 1317754 SoNH80
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I don't like banksters, but I also don't like the NVKD.  I like silver and gold, and don't like Iran.  I don't like police brutality, but I do like the U.S. Constitution, and my countrymen in general.  Is that exploding your 3rd-grade intellectual understanding?  Whoops, better not "hog attention" by making cogent arguments, even though I've proudly made a donation to the site.  Can't think too much, it's bad.  Let's just throw out scatalogical one-liners and catch phrases like "bitchez." 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 15:04 | 1317811 GoinFawr
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Jingoism isn't a cogent argument. Use as many lines as you like, any conclusion based solely on it are most likely scatalogical, bitchez.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 15:07 | 1317838 SoNH80
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You are a commie douche, bitchez.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 15:17 | 1317878 GoinFawr
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Coming from you: whatever that means.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:48 | 1316578 Shell Game
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Personal responsibility is asking a lot..

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:57 | 1316600 nmewn
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Now where have I heard that concept before? ;-)

As is often the case, digging a little deeper reveals...

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 12:52 | 1317065 Shell Game
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The verbal fist fight above is representative of the serious underlying social problems we have.

Through my own personal experience, I believe the vast majority of our military men are good people. Very good people.  They do reflect society and as society has a few bad apples, so does the military.

On the other hand, we do have a little problem called the MIC and a history of empire building. This has led to a vast expansion of corporatism and the erosion of the Constitution [Cliff notes version.. ;)]

BOTH sides must realize the legitimate gripes of the other and FIX the problems rather than give in to the desire to beat the living hell out of the opposing view.  It's the only way forward and upward, friends.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 12:55 | 1317213 nmewn
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On the MIC...I don't have a problem at all with closing our bases and getting the hell out of fact I have advocated it frequently here.

Of course by us doing so, they would have to decide what level of security, if any, they want for themselves. This also implies their tax & spending may have to be...ummm, restructured ;-)

As for the damn fascists, who came from our schools of "higher learning" to become the titans of our financial, corporate, political & media world...that's going to be a much harder & longer slog I believe.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 13:23 | 1317315 Shell Game
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Europe has a real identity crisis on their hands.  They want us far, they want us near, they don't know what the hell they want.  How many countries, who inwardly/outwardly despise us, have also become 'entitled' to security/safety under our umbrella?  Damn fine mess to untangle..

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 14:44 | 1317734 GoinFawr
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Best just wash your hands of it all then until they come back, cheque books in hand, begging for the US` mighty assistance.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 16:20 | 1318053 Shell Game
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Works for me.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 19:16 | 1318421 nmewn
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Same here.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 00:52 | 1318870 GoinFawr
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Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:14 | 1316707 sun tzu
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Those look like Swedish batons to me

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:21 | 1316733 sun tzu
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They look like Spaniards to me

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:32 | 1316838 red_pill_rash
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The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has been placed under the command of NorthCom for domestic use right here in "the land of the free".....more units are being added.....

Now you know what all that training in Iraq was for.


Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:25 | 1316128 hugovanderbubble
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 * PJ Ramirez, one of our best journalists,


 Pedro J Ramírez ha conseguido por fin reunir todas las pruebas que involucran a Marruecos, a ETA y al PSOE en los atentados del 11M.

Al parecer todo sucedió así:
Marruecos quería atentar contra el gobierno de Aznar y como aperitivo comenzó tratando de arrebatarle a España el islote de Perejil. Con buen criterio, Aznar llamó a Bush y con el apoyo logístico de los norteamericanos la invasión quedó frustrada. Entonces los marroquíes, malhumorados por el ridículo que habían hecho, se pusieron en contacto con ETA para planificar el 11M. El PSOE estaba al corriente de todo a través de los contactos que tiene con la banda terrorista, puesto que siempre han estado negociando con ETA: antes y después de la elecciones del 14-M-2004. El atentado se llevaría a cabo el día 11 de marzo de 2004 para poder disfrazarlo de castigo islamista a Aznar y que así el PSOE ganase las elecciones, que era lo que más le interesaba a ETA. Lo que el PSOE jamás imaginó fue la magnitud que iba a tener el atentado en el que murieron tantos inocentes. 
Pedro J dispone incluso de una grabación en la que se escucha claramente a Pepiño Blanco diciéndole a Rubalcaba: "ya está todo listo, Alfredo... todo el mundo se ha tragado lo de los islamistas... ¡¡hemos ganado las elecciones!!''. A raíz de esta información y de las numerosas pruebas que posee, Pedro J está siendo amenazado incluso por el propio Zapatero, pero él dice que no tiene miedo, que a él le pueden matar pero que lo que nunca podrán es matar su periódico. El diario EL MUNDO cuenta con un equipo de más de 1.000 personas investigando el 11M, en el que hay incluso guardias civiles, agentes del CNI, policías nacionales, jueces, investigadores privados, etc.
Rodriguez Ibarra le escribió una carta a Pedro J diciéndole que si es verdad que todo esto sucedió así, él exigirá la disolución del PSOE. También le pidió a Pedro J que no publicara la carta. Y esa es la única y verdadera razón por la que Rodríguez Ibarra ya no se presenta a la Junta de Extremadura en las próximas elecciones.
El plan de Pedro J, tal y como ha manifestado en la radio, es ir sacándolo todo a la luz poco a poco y justo antes de las próximas elecciones para darle la puntilla final al PSOE .
Recordad las palabras de Luis del Pino el otro día:
"Todo esto que está saliendo no es nada comparado con lo que va a salir en los próximos meses..."

Ya veremos lo que opinan los españoles cuando quede demostrado que el PSOE conocía que se iban a cometer los atentados del 11-M y por fin se desenmascaren estos sinvergüenzas.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:27 | 1316172 Rider
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A translation on an interesting phrase on your post:

 "All this is starting and is nothing compared with we will have in a few months"

 That is another developed world country going kaboom, this most likely will ensure another "creative destruction" rally on stocks.

As US politicians say "This type of stuff will never happen in the US"

If you see this forming trend and you are not worried for the entire humanity, you work at GS.




Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:30 | 1316183 alexwest
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of course..
americans are not european pussies.. there will be guns, there will be blood..


Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:33 | 1316198 SheepDog-One
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We will see, because its definitely coming here next!

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:55 | 1316305 Richard Chesler
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First you're raped by banksters then beaten by police.

We're half way there!


Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:59 | 1316337 CH1
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americans are not european pussies.. there will be guns, there will be blood..

Maybe... but talking and doing are very different things. We'll see.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:21 | 1316428 GeorgeHayduke
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"americans are not european pussies.."

We will see. Thus far Americans have shown a strong capacity for being quite docile while bending over and holding their ankles for their owners.

We've also been nicely domesticated with food additives and high fructose corn syrup to create one of the more obese populations on the planet However, that might mean guns come out earlier since it's easier to shoot than walk one more block to front lines.

Further, our owners have ensured they will have a ruthless police force in America by sending our troops to endless wars where they can learn kill with impunity then come back and get a job on the police force.

The problem with starting violence is the owners then turn up the heat quickly. Cops beating a student is one thing, a pile of citizens beating a cop will play differently in the media and the large herd of traditionalist sheople will find themselves severely torn between fighting for their own freedom versus fighting an authority figure. Sure the cops are part of the repression at that point, but tons of people in this country will still compliantly bow to them.

IF such protests break out here, it will be interesting to see how it all happens since we will likely be one of the last countries to do so and the police will have honed their techniques on the crowds in other countries. Will the protesters have learned too or will they have smartened up along the way? Interesting times ahead.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:25 | 1316791 sun tzu
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Yes, but Americans have hundreds of millions of guns. The Europeons have been disarmed by their masters. The first thing Stalin and Hitler did were to ban the private ownership of guns.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 14:23 | 1317660 Ag1761
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Didn't stop paramilitaries in Ireland, Basques in Spain, from rearming. Get a grip, when the people decide to take up the gun, they just march in to the armoury and get them or ship them in from some sympathiser country like good old USA who want to see chaos so their sheep can BTFD. If you start firing at the police they will fire back for a while until they realise their own fucking families are in the crowd too. Havent you been following North Africa, Middle east lately. Anyway, it's more fun to walk up to a line and smack one of the pigs with your fists and have them come ahead if they think they are fucking hard enough. Us pussy Europeans enjoy a good old rammy with the law and you can be assured we are most definately not disarmed. Do your research lad. Anyway, hope it doesn't get bad before I'm back from Spain next week. I may even lend a hand.....

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:25 | 1316449 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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Good luck to you, sir! I wish we had guns here in europe. But your police, laws, judges, army are going to come down a whole lot harder than these guys with sticks.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:31 | 1316815 sun tzu
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Half of the police and army would not turn on their own families and friends. The despots will be facing 100 million people with guns. 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 12:06 | 1317009 Muir
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You are either very young, or incredibly stupid.

Either way, you are ignorant of History.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:27 | 1316458 Alfred
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If Call of Duty has taught me anything, it's that in real life, there's no respawning.

Ah, fuck it. Bring it.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:47 | 1316557 Spastica Rex
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Take away their American Idol, Big Macs, and air conditioning and Americans will get ugly on your ass cuz every swingin' dick has a gun. Just wait: once they have a reason to get up off the couch it's GAME over for the socialist bankers who've taken over this country. It will be freakin' fast, too because even though the homeland is obese, we can move like LIGHTNING when our most sacred values are threatened. America, Über Alles.


Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:20 | 1316752 NumberNone
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Bullshit.  We are docile like fucking lambs to slaughter.  Just look at the airport.  Yesterday, me and a couple dozen of my fellow passengers were herded through one of the naked x-ray machines without a single objection to the invasive nature of what was about to occur.  I unfortunately went through with my belt on.  When I was finished being bombarded by harmless radiation the TSA guy on the other end told me to remove my belt and that he was going to have to put his hands inside my pant line to make sure I was not carrying anything that could take down a 737 in my waistband. 

I've committed no crime, am an elite member, and have no track record of I gritted my teeth and looked at the guy.  In that instant of no response I could tell the guy was ready to assert his $30,000 a year tax-payer funded authority over me.  He asked me in a very aggressive manner again to stick his hands inside my waistline to check for weapons. We were just one or two comments from tasers and plastic handcuffs being brought out simply because I was pissed about getting felt up without dinner or flowers.     

Don't fucking tell me guns will be brought out.  Whatever occurs will be wrapped up in protecting the public from terrorism, preventing anarchy, saving the American way, puppies, kittens, and free iPhones...the public will swallow it and like it.



Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:34 | 1316830 sun tzu
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Yet the people who protest having their genitals groped are being called crazed extremists by the lamestream media and their sheeple viewers. 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:52 | 1316918 blunderdog
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You oughta turn off the teevee, Sun.

What you see there is just a story.  It's designed to keep most people happily placated.  In your case, it's working very well to keep you pissed-off and ranting on message boards and unhappily placated.

If you forget all that nonsense, you'll see there's a lot more widespread understanding of our society present amongst the citizenry.  People aren't nearly as stupid as the teevee talking heads have you convinced they are.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 14:18 | 1317632 GoinFawr
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Maybe not as stupid, but definitely as apathetic as Ralph Nader has me convinced they are.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 15:16 | 1317858 blunderdog
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There's apathy, sure, but that's because not enough people have been affected by our state of affairs yet.  (Personally, I'm not sure that apathy is misplaced, either.  It's not clear to me that the public has any significant influence on the actions of our power-institutions.  We can do a lot for each other locally--that doesn't mean we have to worry about what Obama or Barney Frank have to say about anything.)

My point is simply to disbelieve what's "portrayed" as important to people from the same media that we all know is total bullshit.

Most here talk about how the media is full of lies, but when it comes time to discuss what "Americans" care about, how often do you see "sheeple" and "American Idol"? Where do these impressions of the citizenry come from?  Day to day experience talking to people, or assumptions based on your own biases constructed during your indoctrination?

It's a Rorschach.  Whatever you want to be true on teevee is true.  If you disagree, it's not true.

We all must be careful with that.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 15:38 | 1317929 GoinFawr
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...sounds fair enough. 'Generalization is unavoidable, but dangerous; watch your universals'. Right right right.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 13:08 | 1317281 Head for the Hills
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Tell them you are homophobic and insist on a womans hands in your pants.


Relax and enjoy.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 14:17 | 1317628 sun tzu
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I can't wait to have a federal cow put her hands down my pants. Rosie O'Donnell and Queen Latifah are HOT

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:31 | 1316176 Ray1968
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Its all Greek to me.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:42 | 1316237 Clueless Economist
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"They speak so many god damn ways, It's all Greek to me"

Axl Rose

One in a Million 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:46 | 1316273 Rodent Freikorps
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Welcome to the jungle By Guns N' Roses with lyrics


Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:20 | 1316133 oogs66
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No contagion.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:25 | 1316140 Dr. No
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For sure it has to be on tape.  Why build a doomsday machine and not tell anyone?  Putting it on tape will keep away the fence sitting protesters.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:25 | 1316154 margaris
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those fence sitting protesters are hungry and jobless, and might just grab a stone or stick... any moment...

You think they are scared? Peaceful (so far) yes, but scared, no.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:29 | 1316169 Dr. No
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No doubt. Those are probably the reasons the police are being so brutal: to send a message for people to stay home or else.  Which is why it is on tape, so the news will send out the message for them free of charge.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:32 | 1316189 eurusdog
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It makes me more angry. When I see this happening in the US, it make me grab a brick and head to the local town square!

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:42 | 1316234 Lord Welligton
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I think you're wrong Dr No.

You can see that there is a level of hatred in the police.

They were not disciplined.

They just wanted to "have a go".

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:01 | 1316343 CH1
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But they have those cool, cool uniforms! They HAVE to be tough!

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:05 | 1316363 Dr. No
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We are not in disagreement.  My point is the gov is giving a show of force in order to act as a deterant.  I would not be surprised if the riot control was made up of people who had a "special score" on the personality tests, which would agree with your observation they seem to be enjoying it.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:12 | 1316687 Herman Strandsc...
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The UK and Keystone helmets were designed to be pointy to make the constables look bigger and more throbbing.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:25 | 1316143 AAPL_Short
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The cops should be careful. Hitting innocent women that are photographing like that ... and you are very close to a point, where people will start to first hurt the police. Then to kill the police. There are people with principles still on this Earth.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:26 | 1316164 margaris
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Right on! Although nothing will change.... at least some pain will be shared.... with your fellow brother who happens to serve the elites... damn

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:46 | 1316564 reescher
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Might I suggest to the rioters and other hippiez planning to make a showing at future events that they:

1. Head to the gym, setup a mass-building program. Heavy weights, low reps. One hour, 5x/week minimum

2. Start consuming protein shakes and lean mass gainers. These kids are easy pickins for the coppers. Size matters and these coppers don't look that big.

3. Better coordination. Single rioters bolting through the police line elicits potshots from rubber bullet guns.

4. Pad up like the cops do. Hit the local sporting goods store and get shin and knee pads. Suit up and get ready to rumble. The cops sure are.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 12:25 | 1317100 SumSUN
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LSD in water pistols might be fun.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 14:18 | 1317615 MayIMommaDogFac...
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See how they fly, like Lucy in the Sky

See how they run?

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 20:39 | 1318536 Cathartes Aura
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Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:22 | 1316144 shahroodi
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fucking police

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:26 | 1316145 lordbyroniv
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I am staying home that day.  No way an I getting caught up in that melay.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:30 | 1316170 Vlad Tepid
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Lord Byron (1788-1824) says "melee."

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 14:20 | 1317637 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Melvin Glover (b. 1961- ) says "Melle Mel."

(sorry -- I couldn't help it)

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:26 | 1316146 thislittlepiggy
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So I just need a hi-viz vest and camera and I'll not be battered? 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:29 | 1316181 tarsubil
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Guess so. Man that is surreal.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:11 | 1316694 Herman Strandsc...
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So I just need a hi-viz vest and camera and I'll not be battered? '

Everyone should wear one with 'Police Complaints Investigator' writ large on't rear.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:17 | 1316723 tarsubil
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Yeah and the police should be smoking J's and the hippies should be clubbing the journalists taking pictures.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:26 | 1316147 ina gadda da vida
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strausskahnian attitude...

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:41 | 1316548 Loose Caboose
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Cop to woman - "Don't you know who I am, Baby?"

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:26 | 1316149 economessed
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Stay classy, Spain.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:27 | 1316152 lizzy36
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I sometimes wonder what kind of personality type would ever want to be a cop.

I just got my checklist in 5 multiple choice questions.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:39 | 1316232 Mercury
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Actually I think it's a lot harder to stereotype a cop personality than it is say a lawyer or a stockbroker or radiologist personality. At least in the US.  Area of operation is probably the biggest determining factor but - small town, big city, rural, state - cops have run the gamut in my experience from the helpful, protect-and-serve type to the bone-crushingly stupid aggressive asshole and it always seems like it's the luck of the draw...

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:54 | 1316299 tarsubil
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Have to agree. Cops are people. Some are good and some are bad. Some are smart; some are dumb. It probably depends on why they sign up and what their experience as a cop is.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:01 | 1316328 tip e. canoe
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agree as well.  and this is from someone who used to blare NWA with the top down.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:30 | 1316812 Temporalist
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Is that a junk for NWA?  Maybe they thought you said NWO.

Sat, 05/28/2011 - 04:38 | 1319011 tip e. canoe
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was thinking about NWO today -- gotta hand it to Pappy Bush -- he did warn us all on 09/11/91 --  sneaky bastard sick fuck.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:01 | 1316329 SoNH80
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Detectives, state police, "community patrol" officers, e.g. mounted police, big-city cops generally (esp. in NYC) are a huge cut above the standard-issue small-town cop.  Northern cops better than Southern cops, Eastern cops better than Western cops.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:18 | 1316433 reescher
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Can't disagree even more. Northern cops are self-entitled thugs who think the people should acquiesce to them since they're wearing a badge. Recent posting here on ZH referencing NJ cops working the Katrina mess in NoLo a few years back being the ones bent on confiscating home-owner's guns. Northern cops are fearful of an armed populace. Not an issue in the South or Mid-west . Northern cops can't handle the Constitution.

Cold day in hell before they beleive in the right of citizens to carry steel and protect themselves. Then their myth would be shattered.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 10:52 | 1316575 SoNH80
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Are you kidding?  Southern cops less thuggish than Northern cops?  LOL!  BTW, "Northern" means Maine, NH, Michigan, Ohio, NOT Maryland-- Maryland is the South.  Vermont allows LICENSE-FREE concealed carry.  NH is shall-issue.  I'm glad that we have such a bad reputation down there, it keeps our clean, tidy lands uncrowded and pleasant.  I was in Richmond, Va., once, I thought there there was a solar eclipse happening, it was so dark, but it was just that the sidewalk was crowded.....

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:01 | 1316624 tarsubil
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"I was in Richmond, Va., once, I thought there there was a solar eclipse happening, it was so dark, but it was just that the sidewalk was crowded....."

Racial division helps the oligarchs.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:15 | 1316716 SoNH80
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I have no problem with 90% of blacks, but that 10% that enjoys robbery as a hobby is a real problem.  A neighbor in D.C. was killed by 3 Negroes for $10 and a tire-store credit card, bashed in the head with a lead pipe.  Reality bites.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 11:20 | 1316748 tarsubil
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You should try saying "3 government handout slaves".

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 20:42 | 1318546 Cathartes Aura
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put your "10%" problem on a scale with the virtually 100% white banking class and see how heavy the REAL problem is.

reality bites.

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