Special Report: EU = USSR Redux?

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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:04 | 1241469 damage
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Come on now. I really do hate the EU (not so much the membering countries, but the EU itself). But... to compare them to the USSR seems a bit much.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:07 | 1241479 drink or die
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Did you even read the paper?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:19 | 1241524 damage
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I read it now. It was actually pretty decent. Just thought the headline was a bit much.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:10 | 1241856 msamour
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You are correct, it is unfair to compare the EU with the USSR. The USSR did not have the technology the EU has today, and the USSR never forbade their citizens from owning gradens.

In today's EU you have CCTV monitoring almost everyone in large cities, government officials passing and enforcing "strict anti-terror" laws. In many instances, growing vegetables is discouraged, or even forbidden (those are mostly local edicts)

It is not fair to compare the EU with the USSR, because the EU is the USSR on steroids.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:32 | 1241537 anynonmous
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Police powers in the UK

Stop and account

The police can stop anyone in a public place and ask you to account for yourself.

 

Fingerprints, photographs and DNA samples

If you have been arrested, charged, convicted or received a caution, warning or reprimand for a recordable offence in England and Wales, the police have the power to take your fingerprints, photographs and a DNA sample without your consent to prevent and detect crime.

 

When can the police stop and search you

 

The police can stop and search you without having a search warrant if they suspect you of being in possession of:-

  • drugs; and/or
  • an offensive weapon; and/or
  • stolen property; and/or
  • alcohol if you are at certain major football or rugby matches or on public transport travelling to such an event; and/or
  • evidence in relation to an offence under the Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Act 2002; and/or
  • cash or the cash equivalent of £1,000 or more and that this is the result of criminal activity
  • fireworks that you intend to use anti-socially.

 

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/scotland/your_rights/legal_system_index_sc...

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Number of CCTV cams per 1000 residents in London

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46093000/gif/_46093727_uk_cctv_gra...

 

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UK (28 day) detention limits (without charge) outstrips other countries

http://www.legalbrief.co.za/article.php?story=20071113074413829

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:16 | 1241876 Harlequin001
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Worth fighting for eh...

Maybe we need a fresh start, where society is built on the basis of personal and individual freedoms, in support of the state, not where we exist solely to fund it with everything we own and can be put away without trial if we voice disagreement with it...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:29 | 1241569 legal eagle
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No, the US is the USSR and China is the US. China bankrupted the US with their Yuan peg just like we bankrupted the Soviets with military spending

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:49 | 1241640 Mad Max
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Close to truth, but China is going down pretty quickly too.  We might be first, but the collapse gap between US and them won't be 20+ years, perhaps 2 or 3 at most.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:18 | 1241881 Harlequin001
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It is simultaneous, let's not forget that China had the biggest stimulus ever, which resulted in 64 million empty apartments as a means to fudge the decline.

All fail at the same time in utter default...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:53 | 1241653 Kat
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What a bunch of discredited mercantilist garbage.  Truly, economic ignorance at its worst.

 

The only thing the yuan peg has done (assuming it is successful) is provided you with cheap goods (you are richer), a lower interest rate (you are richer) and inflation for itself (the Chinese are poorer).  The Chinese government has "generously" provided you with a lower cost of living on the backs of the Chinese. 

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:28 | 1242095 slewie the pi-rat
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actually, Kat, you are not required to come up with a "better" version of mercantilist garbage, here, ok?

just the inkling of the idea that the US may be responsible for its own bankruptcy would, it seems to me, suffice, here.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 07:14 | 1242306 Coke and Hookers
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The more cheap goods you buy from somewhere else, the less you tend to produce yourself. The less you produce, the more you need to borrow. The more you borrow, the more you go bankrupt. You know, getting rich from buying cheap stuff assumes that your manufacturing base hasn't been devastated by said cheap goods. Look at America today. Is America rich from buying all these cheap goods? Or is America bankrupt? (Yes, it is.) Does every factory moved to Asia increase American prosperity? Even cheap goods need to be paid for and when you don't produce you can't pay.

This is pretty obvious and supported by the facts. "Free-trade" has become a dogmatic ideology blinding people to the obvious.

America is practicing 'free trade' with countries that are essentially merchantilistic and don't give a shit about free trade.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:38 | 1241795 NOTW777
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collapse of USSR and no mention of Reagan.  maybe Tuur went to Harvard

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:26 | 1242089 slewie the pi-rat
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or berkeley

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:04 | 1241475 SMG
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Marxism is eventual self destruction.  If the EU collapses= failure of the NWO central oligargy. We can only hope. Liberty for all! 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:23 | 1241540 Holodomor2012
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re: Bolshevism

From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing.

Churchill from "Zionism verse Bolshevism" http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:08 | 1241702 SMG
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Screw you.  You and all your flying monkey's get on here and try and put all the blame on true Jews, when the real fault lies with all the Luciferians and their lackey's.  The people will wake up one day and justice will be delivered.  Better run now, the truth willl come out one day and justice WILL BE SERVED!

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 06:43 | 1242278 j0nx
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The whataferians? Take that tin shit some place else.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 09:16 | 1242740 SMG
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I wish it were all a bunch of baloney.  I'd be alot happier.  They leave their symbols everywhere.  Back of the dollar bill for instance.  Ever wonder what the pyramid and the eye on top is all about?    Anyway it's the religion of the oligarchs currently pulling the strings in the world.  They often blame others for the stuff they do. 

Anyway it does relate to the topic because these same people are behind the EU and much of the financial problems we are having today.

They succeed because many people incorrectly believe it is just a bunch of baloney, but unfortunately it's not.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:05 | 1241477 SDRII
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How about the other squeeze...the one in Iraq. Boehner was out this morning saying a troop extension will be  hard sell. Last month was deadliest since 2009. Sadr says get out and the "gov't" - in name only - will be loathe to invite the US to stay. Mullen quoted the othe day saying the Iraqis will have choose quickly to extend the presence.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:06 | 1241481 johngaltfla
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Sounds logical to me....

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:13 | 1241496 honestann
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The predators-that-be in the EU are no different from the predators-that-be in the USSR or the USSA.  Predators do not voluntarily give up power or special advantages for themselves, their co-conspirators or their collaborators.  At most they escape when they realize they are about to become prey themselves.

Therefore, only two solutions exist:

#1: collapse followed by a whole slew of predator-states (the original countries, presumably)... hopefully one or two becoming less predatory and authoritarian.

#2: armed revolution and unseating, imprisonment or extermination of the predators-that-be and predator-class.

The world desperately needs to eliminate the predators-that-be and predator-class... and soon.  Given modern technologies, if the predators are allowed to more fully implement the "security systems" they are establishing against "their" populations, earth will become a permanent slave planet with almost zero hope of escape.  Human beings better wake up, and wake up soon, or the human race will become a permanent abject failure.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:42 | 1241923 Zero Govt
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(most) humans only wake up the same time politicians do, when the economy hits rock bottom ...at that point the parasites (Govt) are bankrupt and have completed 'Mission Suicide Socialism' so all is already lost when Joe Public (finally) loses it and kicks off ...a bit late again citizens, Ho Hum!

Luckily the EU are spreading the pain (unserviceable debt) around so effectively in Commie EUSSR countries they should all topple like dominos and go bankrupt at the same time teaching the EU a lesson in economics and consign their tower of vacuous Marxist idealism to the scrapheap of history

...you can run but you can't hide from capitalism, as every socialist in history has found out

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 07:49 | 1242368 Azannoth
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Unfortunately Joe Public never connects the dots even After the collapse the lessons are Never learned, what sprung up on the grave on USSR, a corrupt oligarchy, I think the Buffets of the world are planning the same in the West

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 08:13 | 1242427 New World Chaos
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A permanet slave planet with zero hope of escape is indeed their goal.  There are cheap spaceflight solutions like the rotovator, and asteroid mining would be a great way to shrink the stocks-to-flows ratios of PMs and transform them from hard money to mere commodities.  Yet for some reason, the big financing and the cheap research never come through.  And don't even get me started on SETI- Jamie Demon's gold toilet probably costs more taxpayer money.  They're not afraid of a mass freakout if we realize we're not alone.  They're afraid we would be inspired, go to space, and realize that even a precarious existence is better without the elites.

One of the main reasons the oligarchs want world government is that they don't want people to have the option of moving to a free country.  If every country sucks equally there will be no competition, no brain drain, no shining city on the hill, no way to get off the treadmill.  Space Wild West would be a disaster for them.  That is one reason why I am pulling for aliens showing up soon.  They might start a real space race between China and a reborn America.  Once we get established offworld, we can leave Earth to the sheeple and their beloved overlords while we claim our destiny among the stars.  Global Revolution, bitches!  And death to the EU!

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 11:24 | 1243406 Mad Cow
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I love a good sci-fi. Unfortunately "humanity" is the problem, either here, or in space. Little Caesars in Space! We each need our own planet that we can never leave with robot slaves ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8HVbdw4gbI

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 23:16 | 1246272 honestann
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Yes, you are spot-on exactly correct.  Congrats!  You think much like me and a group I contribute work to.  They had to move some of their people outside the USSA to [hopefully] assure they are not captured and their technology stolen or destroyed.  I'm sure you'll understand (see www-dot-icegods-dot-com).  They have the means of escape... if they can complete their new (faster) implementation of ice soon enough.  Like you, they realized the only hope (outside of taking on the predators) is to leave earth.  That's their intention as you can see.  Don't be confused by the intentionally cartooney nature of the website.  That's done on purpose to misdirect unwanted attention.

I wouldn't hold my breath for aliens.  If we want to be free, we need to make it happen ourselves.  That's why I contribute as much volunteer work to them as I can afford.

Yes, what we really need is a "wild west in space".  The government purposely thwarted the space program decades ago to assure no "seeds of liberty" got planted in space.  While getting started in space is non-trivial, and space is incredibly harsh in certain respects, most people don't realize that space is also incredibly benevolent in most respects, and has incredible opportunities for bootstrap processes and amazing developments.  I can't reveal any of the amazing ones those guys invented and discovered in this forum, for obvious reasons.  I'm sure other people have invented and discovered other amazing possibilities for space development too.  The field is so rich, the wealth of opportunity is stunning once you investigate and invent for a while.

It is hard to believe so many people are totally okay with being overt slaves... worse slaves than hundreds of years ago (at least they weren't required to pay for their own dwellings and food).

The best thing about space is... it cannot be controlled by governments.  The cost to monitor and enforce their protection rackets would be vastly higher than anything they could collect.  They know this.  Thus they will make sure it never happens.  That's why we need some super highly leveraged technology like ice to allow us (small group of individuals) make the escape on our own.  What other chance is there?  As long as humans are as stupid as they are, and as long as they keep giving 90% of their production to the predators to finance their own enslavement, no conventional means can work.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:13 | 1241498 lolmao500
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The EU was a nazi plan... Also Belarus is collapsing...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:49 | 1241931 Zero Govt
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the Nazis plans were cut short just so's ya know ....this EU Project is very much a current elite European scumbag plan under constant development and i'm happy to say will never be completed

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:17 | 1241512 kito
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get a grip, there have been riots in europe since the dawn of man

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:48 | 1241624 sabra1
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'cause we're all horny, coudn't find no women!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:18 | 1241516 lolmao500
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The comparaison also applies to the US ... and in many aspects China.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:18 | 1241528 Atomizer
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Here's a little story to remind J6P about CDO(s) & Derivatives. "Obama Bin Laden" (quote referenced from MSM) is just posturing for a 2012 employment extension. Enjoy the story.. Make the connection!

ABSOLUTELY A TRUE STORY HEARD ON A WISCONSIN RADIO STATION REPORTING ON THE
INCIDENT.
A guy buys a new Lincoln Navigator for $52,500.00 with monthly payments of
$560.00. He and a friend go duck hunting in upper Wisconsin .

It's mid-winter.....and of course all of the lakes are frozen.

These two guys go out on the ice with their GUNS, a DOG, and of course the new
NAVIGATOR

They decide they want to make a natural looking open water area for the ducks
to focus on, something for the decoys to float on.

Now......making a hole in the ice large enough to invite a passing
duck, is going to take a little more power than the average drill auger can
produce.

So.....out of the back of the new Navigator comes a stick
of dynamite with a short 40 second-fuse.

Our two Rocket Scientists.....afraid they might slip on the
ice while trying to run away after lighting the fuse (and becoming toast,
along with the Navigator), decide on the following course of action:

they light the 40 second fuse; then, with a mighty thrust,
they throw the stick of dynamite as far away as possible.

Remember a couple of paragraphs back when I mentioned the NAVIGATOR, the GUNS,
and the DOG...?

Let's talk about the dog:

A highly trained Black Lab used for RETRIEVING; especially things thrown by
the owner.

You guessed it....The dog takes off across the ice at a
high rate of speed and grabs the stick of dynamite, with the burning 40-second
fuse.... just as it hits the ice.

The two men swallow, blink, start waving their arms and, with veins in
their necks swelling to resemble stalks of rhubarb, scream and holler at
the dog to stop.

The dog, now apparently cheered on by his master, keeps coming.

One hunter panics, grabs the shotgun and shoots the dog. The
shotgun is loaded with #8 bird shot, hardly big enough to stop a Black Lab.

The dog stops for a moment, slightly confused, then continues on.

Another shot, and this time the dog, still standing, becomes really confused
and of course terrified, thinks these two geniuses have gone insane!!!!!!

The dog takes off to find cover, UNDER the brand new Navigator.

The men continue to scream as they run. The red hot exhaust pipe on the truck
touches the dog's rear end...he yelps, drops the
dynamite under the truck and takes off after his master.

Then KA BOOOOM!!
 
The truck is blown to bits and sinks to the bottom of the lake, leaving
the two idiots standing there with 'I can't believe this just happened'
looks on their faces.

The insurance company says that sinking a vehicle in a lake by illegal use
of explosives is NOT COVERED by the policy. And he still had yet to make
the first of those $560.00 a month payments.

The dog is okay...doing fine.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:43 | 1241610 pasttense
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Please give a URL for this story.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:17 | 1241730 Atomizer
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I cannot provide link. It was emailed to me as a joke.. I own a Lincoln Navigator. The sender was trying to provoke me to go fishing & carry some dynamite only because they like the SUV.

After many laughs re-reading this story, simply wanted to use this to illustrate the bigger financial picture.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:43 | 1241804 brandy night rocks
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Here it is:

http://www.snopes.com/critters/cruelty/dynamite.asp

 

I found that by googling. <== ABSOLUTELY TRUE STORY!!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:27 | 1241545 BaboonAss
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And of course there is Dmitry Orlov's classic comparison of the collapse of the USSR with the current collapse of the USA: Closing the Collapse Gap.

When he wrote this in 2006, very few people realized the US was on the brink of history's biggest economic collapse, one for the record books.

Dmitry writes with a dry, sardonic Russian humor, that most ZHers would appreciate, and he is much funnier than "Tuur Demeester" (if that is indeed your real name).

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:48 | 1241636 Mad Max
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+1000 fiatscos for Orlov.

Mr. President, we CANNOT ALLOW this coll-apse gap!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:11 | 1241870 euclidean
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Excellent material, thanks. Slide 5 - Delusions of grandeur prevent honest discussion of problems

Would have just left it with "Delusions of Grandeur". Am waiting to see Trump try and export his homebrand hero worship. He's the posterchild for everything the US has become. 'Some say' he IS Uncle Sam.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 13:32 | 1244044 theprofromdover
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Of course that's his real name.

He is a pal of Foucault Tudoux Wimay, the Mittel-Europe philosopher-gey.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:28 | 1241550 euclidean
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Credit where it is due. The EU was created to attempt to address all that was pure and good but that is now commercialised and sold for profit by the US. The hypocrits of the US stand always ready to criticise and destroy what is commercially destructive to their own self-righteous existence. It is what has been done repeatedly - and will continue to happen. Suck it up and go with the flow. Rinse and repeat.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:28 | 1241552 LaughingMan
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Atleast the USSR had Kruschev! Who in the EU bangs his shoes on the table during debates.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:49 | 1241629 web bot
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NIGEL FARANGE.... that 's who.

If you have not heard of him, just check him out on YouTube... his rants are legendary.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:31 | 1241568 Rollerball
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The USSR collapsed because it lost the legitimacy of Marxist communism.  Cultural homogenization assumes a moral tenet.   

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:34 | 1242014 Cursive
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@Rollerball

Been a long time since I've seen a Rollberball post.  Good to read you here, brother.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:49 | 1242037 Orly
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Stalin strayed from the path in the late-1930's, not from cultural homogenisation but from sheer power-hungry paranoia.  The state never recovered from those horrible years.

I just saw a movie about men who escaped from the gulag, called, The Way Back, with Ed Harris and Colin Farrell.  Definitely worth the dollar rental.

Forced labor in the mines of a Siberian prison gives new definition to hell on earth.

Tue, 05/10/2011 - 14:43 | 1259955 BigJim
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The legitimacy of Marxist communism?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:32 | 1241571 ebworthen
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Yes.

What is the wall?

I hope the wall is the exchange rate.

I want to see $1.00 = Two Euro

In other words, a liter of Augustiner for .50 cents.

Prost!

 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:34 | 1241579 Muir
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ZEro Hedge is on a tear today with the most asinine, insane posts pandering the the baser herd fear instincts of the lemmings here.

On the other hand, given the utter brilliance of the many, many posts in the past, Tyler is certainly entitled.

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p.s. on a scale of "truthiess" the above report is utter trype 

 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:43 | 1241601 Atomizer
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