Sprott Physical Silver Premium To NAV Hits Fresh All Time High

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Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:34 | 1089927 Paul Krugman
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Silver is breaking out here folks. Straight shot to 40 in my opinion.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:45 | 1090001 unwashedmass
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LONG AND STRONG SINCE THE FIRST DAY THE PUBLIC COULD BUY.

FUCK YOU JPM. FUCK YOU.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:52 | 1090070 Cash_is_Trash
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$40 would make my day!

Fuck JPM, switch from SLV to PSLV; it's highly recommended.

Sprott is the shit.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:10 | 1090187 DarkMath
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PSLV, SLV, what's the difference?

PSLV - Sprott will rape you in premium

SLV - JPMorgan thanks you for allowing them to take your Silver to satisfy their massive Short liability (by using newly printed Fed dollars silly; to buy baskets of SLV silver and temporarily satisfying their Short obligations).

Unless you can hold it you don't own it.

BUY PHYSICAL everyone.

 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:18 | 1090291 Pladizow
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Agreed, physical when possible.

But for qualified retirement accounts I choose PSLV.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:30 | 1090361 MaxVernon
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My local "real money" store, if you will, is now selling Canadian Maple Leafs at $40.20 per, with a 2+ week lead time.  And they buy directly from the Royal Canadian Mint in bulk.   Can you say silver shortage?  I knew you could.

http://www.gatewestcoin.com/markets.html for anyone interested.

Oh, and nice tits btw!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:31 | 1090403 Cash_is_Trash
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Pladizow,

I can't read this shit with that massive supple rack avatar at work.

; )

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 13:40 | 1091089 Strider52
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Those are NOT massive...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 12:08 | 1090654 doerr
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Speaking as a former SJR student running dikes, I would say that having Gatewest as a "local coin store" would be one of the few reasons to think of Winnipeg as a good place to live when the winter wind is blowing down Portage Ave.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 12:26 | 1090727 MaxVernon
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Too True!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 22:46 | 1093345 sullymandias
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When I was first driving in to Winnipeg on the bus, I overheard two natives talking to each other. The guy said, "Are you going to Winnipeg? Last place on Earth!"

 

I soon found out what he meant on my 8 hour stopover there.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 13:27 | 1091045 Drachma
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I'm picking up pre-orders of Maple Leafs, Rounds at a premium discount. Delivery time; 3-6 weeks. Premium for silver coins is typically around 16% in my area, but on pre-order my dealer will take 8-10%. Gold coins vary from 3-6% premium. RCM was recently advertising only a 1 oz. wafer for $1545 when spot was in the $1350 range. They have no silver bullion coins now. Only collectibles and commemoratives.

Oh, and I agree, those are great titties.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:37 | 1090451 vas deferens
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+1

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 12:11 | 1090470 Sophist Economicus
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Physical is best -- BUT, when you add in the premium over spot for a bullion coin, postage and storage/security (be it at home or elsewhere), an NAV of 15% or so isn't outrageous.    Also, the market is liquid for PLSV and it sets the NAV (not Sprott). Wait for times when the NAV is reasonable to buy. 

 

 

Besides, unlike physical, the premium to NAV doesn't go to zero -- so chances are you'll recoup some of it.   If it ever trades at a discount, well, that would be a screaming buy, wouldn't it

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:45 | 1094828 KevinB
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CEF traded at a discount for years, and was uniformly ignored.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:06 | 1090195 Dr. Richard Head
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Judging by reading Turd Ferguson, the $36 mark seems to be as precious (pun intended) as the last mark of $25.50.  Pretty significant rise after the $25.50 mark was breached and contained, so I anticipate a similiar rise after $36 is sustained. 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:45 | 1090501 swanpoint
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FUBM

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:10 | 1090218 Golden monkey
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I would not fuck JPM but, if they don't mind, they can kiss my ass.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:12 | 1090233 DarkMath
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I would fuck Blythe Masters. Seriously, I would fuck her. I'm not kidding.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:24 | 1090359 tmosley
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Your dick will have a look of terror, like your avatar.

Then it will probably melt off.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:29 | 1090398 Bastiat
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LOL!!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 19:04 | 1092672 KinorSensase
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Agreed.  There's something about a powerful evil woman that's an undeniable aphrodesiac.  I assume something's wrong with me for thinking that.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:56 | 1091833 Island_Dweller
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Will JPMorgan Now Make and Take 'Delivery' of Its Own Silver Shorts?

 

http://seekingalpha.com/article/259549-will-jpmorgan-now-make-and-take-d...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:43 | 1090482 SilverRhino
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just broke 37.00 this morning.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:36 | 1089931 billwilson
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Because the JPMOrgue is buying so it can redeem and pay off its shorts. Such is the true price of unavailable physical silver.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 13:55 | 1091145 SilverBaron
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Not to mention the need for more tomahawks to bomb Gadaffi out of his gold and oil.  More explosions = more silver that will never be seen again.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:36 | 1089933 xPat
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Tyler, repeat after me:

PHYS IS NOT AN ETF. PSLV IS NOT AN ETF.

PHYS IS NOT AN ETF. PSLV IS NOT AN ETF.

PHYS IS NOT AN ETF. PSLV IS NOT AN ETF.

PHYS IS NOT AN ETF. PSLV IS NOT AN ETF.

PHYS IS NOT AN ETF. PSLV IS NOT AN ETF.

PHYS IS NOT AN ETF. PSLV IS NOT AN ETF.

PHYS IS NOT AN ETF. PSLV IS NOT AN ETF.

PHYS IS NOT AN ETF. PSLV IS NOT AN ETF.

PHYS IS NOT AN ETF. PSLV IS NOT AN ETF.

PHYS IS NOT AN ETF. PSLV IS NOT AN ETF.

PHYS IS NOT AN ETF. PSLV IS NOT AN ETF.

PHYS IS NOT AN ETF. PSLV IS NOT AN ETF.

PHYS IS NOT AN ETF. PSLV IS NOT AN ETF.

 

Dude, they are both closed-end funds, not ETFs. Get it?

xPat

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:51 | 1090079 markmotive
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Won't Sprott issue new shares at the NAV...not the market price?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:56 | 1090104 Cash_is_Trash
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Good question.

So can the shares be diluted by a secondary offering or does that counter what xPat says?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:04 | 1090147 43 Steelie
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Yes they can. He did for PHYS around $11.30 when it was trading closer to $12.00. However, he called that move a big mistake and said he wouldn't do it again.

Although, with how strong the demand is and how much Sprott would love to see more physical removed from the market, I'd be surprised if they were not in the process of doing a follow-on offering here. No one knows at what premium though. 

In any case, unless you have an IRA or another illiquid (without a huge penalty) vehicle why wouldn't you just buy physical at a less than 10% premium?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:33 | 1090406 Pegasus Muse
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Eric Sprott said in a recent King World News interview he would not dilute existing shareholders by doing a follow-on offering of shares of PSLV.  He said he “learned his lesson” about doing that after the PHYS follow-on offering fiasco.  

If Sprott goes back on his word I will be done with him and his firm.

If Sprott wants to take more physical gold and silver off the market he can create new physical bullion trusts -- call them PHYS II and a PSLV II.  

If he does another follow-on offering --- after he said he would not --- he will lose the trust and confidence of a lot of investors.  A money manger's word is his bond.  

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:35 | 1090429 43 Steelie
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Fair point. I would agree with you.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:45 | 1090499 KidDynamite
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not to belabor the point, but creating PSLV II would be the exact same thing. After all, assum he creates PSLV II and satiates some of the demand, so it only trades at a 10% premium to NAV.  Are any of the PSLV I holders really not going to sell their PSLV 1 at a 24% premium and buy PSLV II at a 10% premium?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 12:04 | 1090630 tmosley
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He could, but this way he is not the one pocketing the premium.

My guess is that the same thing would happen as happened with the first follow-on offering--the premium would plunge, and then go right back up as people continued to buy more.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 15:26 | 1090767 GoinFawr
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So SLV is definitely the way to go, right KD? 

http://abstrusegoose.com/348

 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:53 | 1090554 vas deferens
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Issuing more shares and keeping the same amount of silver would dilute shareholders but that is not what Sprott did with PHYS.  There are the same amount of shares to physical gold and NO DILUTION of PHYS.

Creating PSLV II, with the same prespectis, would have the same effect as adding silver and more shares to PSLV. 

If you own PSLV in a taxable account sell it, take your premium, and buy physical!!  If Sprott has a secondary offering, to me, that would be wonderful;

1) Taking more physical off the mkt.

2)lowering the premium hopefully low enough I have a nother option to buy silver.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:21 | 1091281 Diogenes
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As an owner of Sprott's gold fund I would not mind if he did a follow on offering PROVIDED he offered the shares to existing shareholders, at cost.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 14:34 | 1091356 Flakmeister
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If you will not ever be in a position to take physical delivery, sell your PSLV, recoup the premium and buy CEF....

Obviously if you intend to cash in one day...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:43 | 1090493 vas deferens
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Yes, but he can set any price and it will not be NAV. He will also need the physical silver.  

Sprott issued a secondary offering on PHYS (his gold trust) when there was around 20% premium.  Sprott priced the secondary offering around 10% premium making the PHYS fall to near the new issuing price.

 

 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:37 | 1089937 BrianOFlanagan
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proof that there is no limit to the stupidity of retail investors.  

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:54 | 1090087 Apostle of Unknown
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yup. People who buy at 23% premium are absolutely nuts. Might as well give that to VAT and have the real physical stuff. (I can already picture the replies: "if you can buy it"... well, last time I checked I could)

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:10 | 1090211 Fenlander
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Serious question from me.  I own physical, and am not interested in paper having done my research a couple of years ago when I woke up to what was going on in the world.  But from what I have read, Sprott's fund is fully backed, and one of the things it offers investors is confidence of ownership, without the expense of storage or worry of it being stolen.  But at what point does the premium over NAV get so much that people either just buy and install a safe at home, or bury it very well?  I'm not talking about hedge funds or mega investments, but regular individual investors.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:31 | 1090387 43 Steelie
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I think it's a good question and you're right about individual investors..there is no reason anyone with less than $1MM in assets should be buying into it at such a high premium. 

The best part about the fund is that you can exchange it for physical. But you would need close to $400K invested to make it work. 

The fund garners a premium for a few reasons:

1. Assets are held outside the U.S.

2. Don't have to worry about storage costs

3. Can exchange shares for physical

4. I'm assuming most holders of it don't day trade it so liquidity and turnover is fairly low meaning those that would sell would only sell at decent enough premiums

5. Day traders who aren't looking at the premium but rather only that day's + or - percentage in underlying silver spot price and assigning it blindly to PSLV

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 11:36 | 1090443 Apostle of Unknown
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For me the ultimate criterium is Value Added Tax in my country, storage costs should be negligible for the average retailer.

If you want a closed fund, let's compare Sprott with CEF. CEF is 54.9% silver and 43.6% gold. If we make a similar mix using Sprott's current intraday premiums, we get (54.9% * 24.94) + (43.6% * 6.14) = 16,36%. The CEF(US) premium is currently 8.5%. This makes Sprott ridiculously expensive and in my humble opinion only a retard would not switch at this point.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:45 | 1092445 Montecarlo
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I purchased PSLV with a self-directed IRA spun off from my 401K.  No other way to access the money...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 17:55 | 1092477 mraptor
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All of you guys complaing about 23% markup, chill out ;).. yes it is a big premium no doubt, but it is generated primary by the day-traders....

As many mentioned here , they are relucant to buy... and I gather that most of the ppl on this site are long term holders..

So yes 23% is big premium, but we will see even bigger premiums in the future, when the ppl pile up...

Buy on the dips and lower premiums.. otherwise just trade it..

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:37 | 1089939 duo
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CEF used to issue new units every quarter or so.  They stopped doing that, probably because they couldn't find any physical silver.  Telling.

CEF premium now over 7%, per Harvey.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:37 | 1089944 Xibalba
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Sprott needs to issue a secondary and stand for another delivery.  Crash the Death Star!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:37 | 1089948 Bastiat
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physical silver lying on the ground is more prevalent than dog excrement

That's what people are picking up with those little plastic bags!


Wed, 03/23/2011 - 10:37 | 1089959 xPat
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