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Stocks Flushed As Bonds Up, IG12 At Week Wides

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Late day sell off in stock translated into buying in treasuries - no surprise there. The AUD is doing whatever carry trade it does. VIX at the days lows. And the IG12 CDS index closes at 113 bps, 6.5 bps wider in a rush.

SPY AH dupming bonanza indicates someone isn't too crazy about Applied Materials' results.




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Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:09 | Link to Comment phaesed
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I love how so few people remember that this pattern was exactly the same pattern that occurred during the two week period of issuances in July... gee, there's no discernable pattern that can be linked to government activity now is there?!

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:13 | Link to Comment Gilgamesh
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Well remembered, just not MSM-reportable.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:40 | Link to Comment Vlsrs (not verified)
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:17 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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In other news, Summers continues to sell the kool aid/meth, (doesn't it cause holes in your brain?)

             "In more obvious indicators like the stock market, less obvious indicators like credit spreads, the spread between LIBOR and federal funds, forward markets and what they suggest about housing prices...what one sees is a substantial return to normality," Summers said.

Guessing he does not read Janet Yellens pieces or ZH.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:53 | Link to Comment deadhead
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It's all that Diet Coke he drinks...the chemicals do weird shit to the brain.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:27 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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im sorry, this is off topic, but worth seeing this ....   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/crowds-get-rough-and-rowd_n_256475.html

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:36 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:36 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:44 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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that wasn't my point, but yes, the guy only screamed and said nothing of any substance, but the point i was trying to make with this post is that these town hall meetings are beginning to go from what is to be a two way discussion to something that is boiling on the verge of violence; and there was that dude yesterday who dropped a gun in one of those meetings; things are not looking great ...

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:50 | Link to Comment D.O.D.
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Now cheeky, don't get me started.... ok, too late... Obama sells out to big Pharma, that 80bn in savings he's talking about, it was a deal Obama made with big business... No, it is looking very far from great...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWIECgQH6rs

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 21:07 | Link to Comment lsbumblebee
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This all seems staged to me. The MSM would never report the real anger out there. And how did someone get a gun into a town hall meeting with a politician, especially in this age of terrorist paranoia?

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:41 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:43 | Link to Comment i heart goldies
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what do you expect from cheeky bastard?  worst poster on the site.

CNBC does suck though.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:48 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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what do you expect from cheeky bastard?  worst poster on the site.

 

explanation please

 

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:08 | Link to Comment i heart goldies
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You write incomprehensible and incorrect rubbish in massive blocks of text.

TD et al at least have an understanding of the issues they discuss, even if I don't agree with them some of the time.

And your avatar is annoying.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:22 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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look it is not my problem if you can not comprehend something i write or understand it, and if you are still upset from yesterday after i have proved you wrong; that is also not my problem, and if you don't have the knowledge necessary to absorb the information I'm presenting, again; that is not my problem; it is yours; and if you have no other response to my posts except insulting me on a personal basis, and calling everything, you dont understand, a conspiracy theory; again not my problem. What i am concerned about is that there are many people here who come for information both from TD and the crew, and from us who comment here; and you try to present the things i write as incorrect, when that is not true; and all the information i state in my posts are easily verifiable if you take your time and browse the Internet or pick up a book. And my avatar might be annoying but is definitely better looking than yours.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:39 | Link to Comment i heart goldies
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Your babble bores me.

I'm FPS Doug btw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsQFYceNZS8

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:57 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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can i assume you have never read anything written by GB Shaw, J.Joyce,Günter Grass, or books that are non-fictional ( ie; philosophy, mathematics; anthropology, sociology etc). Also can i assume that you have no interest in those fields, and that you consider the world as a one dimensional field dominated by financials ? If that is so, can i please point  you  ( as i did many others here)  to the work  done by Feyerabend and the logicians of the Vienna Circle. It will broaden you view on the world and make you understand more. Im not trying to be a teacher to anyone; but your childish behaviour is truly irritating and only confirms my belief that you can not participate in a grown up and well ordered discourse

 

and FPS Doug fits perfectly with your behaviour and discussion skills.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 20:32 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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I wonder why that poster feels so impotent about you cheeky. You have a few ways to argue and it's shown in the disagreement heiarchy. His attack is basically attacking the form of you post with no reguard for substance. If i could upload a picture I'd show you disagreement heiarchy.

Never mind watched his YouTube video. It's all clear now.

 

Wed, 08/12/2009 - 00:30 | Link to Comment D.O.D.
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+1

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:50 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:55 | Link to Comment D.O.D.
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I really like boobs Cabrera, that cheesy devil may care, seductress stare, talkin' out the side of her mouth... P/E ratios were never so hot...

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:20 | Link to Comment D.O.D.
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So basically you're saying one is not allowed to disagree on things one disagrees with, if one agrees with things one does agree with?  Right makes sense..BRILLIANT!

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:27 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:52 | Link to Comment D.O.D.
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Right because if it's a point of view you don't agree with it must be a republican talking point, no i getcha' no hypocracy there whatsoever... LOL!

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 21:04 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 00:40 | Link to Comment D.O.D.
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I'll humor you because this should be fun, and I'll refrain from correcting the obvious spelling errors.

"and then swallowing unaware the party line lies and propaganda of other groups."

It seems you have deemed yourself the only one who knows what truth is, congratulations. As for hypocritical, why don't you reread your own comments then try dictionary.com Mr.I decide what the truth is, and everything else is a lie.

"You seem to be able to get your market news from alternative sources but your political news...Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage maybe?"

Once again, perhaps you should look up the word hypocrite at dictionary.com, you are making a fool of yourself with your rush to judgements.

good day.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:50 | Link to Comment Tyler Durden
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we are perfectly happy to criticize any and all republicans and any other fools in the administration. they are, alas, missing.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:54 | Link to Comment D.O.D.
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Oooor are they? Duhn duhn duuuuuuuhn.....

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:25 | Link to Comment SV
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I thought Karl did a very nice job of dishing that out today:

http://market-ticker.org/archives/1320-To-The-RNC-WAKE-UP.html

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:52 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:35 | Link to Comment ewmayer
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"...groups like the Nazis use words like Socialist (even though their was nothing socialist about them)..."

Aside from their party name and self-description, you mean:

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (formally abbreviated NSDAP, informally "Nazi")

- or did you think the "S" in NSDAP stood for "Somethingorother"? As to their economic modus operandi:

so·cial·ism (ssh-lzm)
n.
1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

Which part of that definition does not apply to the NSDAP?

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 19:35 | Link to Comment dnarby
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I'm hard pressed to find a fascist movement that came from the Right.

Most of them (I'm only saying most to give the benefit of the doubt) have come from the Left.

 

When you boil it down, Fascism is the ultimate Statist form of government.  Governments that put individual liberties over the state are the antithesis of this.

Both the Democrats and the Republicans have grown steadily more Statist in the past few generations, and therefore more Fascist.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 20:45 | Link to Comment Steak
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Dood, google before you post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Fascist_Party

The ORIGINAL fascist party was violently anti-communist.  Mussolini was strongly supported by (and he supported in turn) Italy's established business interests.  And needless to say his social policies were very conservative.

So I get that you're very anti-statism, but don't wrap your opinion in some bizzaro history that only exists in your head.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 21:11 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 21:50 | Link to Comment Apocalypse Now
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Hi Steak-

Benito Mussolini had a great quote about fascism, in which he stated, “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power”.  Corporations favor the conditions of a fascist and authoritarian state, where there are no regulations, but rather “public-private partnerships” that dominate the economy.  Those corporations that dominate are ones that have ties to the administration, the too big to fail corporations and other campaign donors.  Small businesses, medium sized businesses, and individuals suffer under this regime enforced by government.  Those corporations could be oil & defense (Bush) or banking & health care (Obama).  If health care gets pushed through, there will be consolidations, a few too big to fail corporations, massive bailouts, and government subsidies to their connected friends in that industry.

Where have I heard public-private partnerships recently?  The Tim Geitner PPIP plan (Public Private Investment Program).

Neither side is clean, my point is that they are both marching to the beat of the same drummer - that drummer is corporate money interests.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 22:28 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 00:41 | Link to Comment D.O.D.
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+10

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:58 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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first of all i have nothing to do with Repubs or Dems, because i am not a citizen of the USA. Second of all if you are going to try to insult me based on my nationality like many others on this site have i will politely need to tell you that you can fuck yourself. What im trying to do is to show that things are getting pretty chaotic and that argumentative discussion can not be achieved. And the world is not black and white, and it is not logical, so it would be good for you to drop that simplistic view and try to understand that both parties work hard to fuck you over many times. The same goes for the rest of the world.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:03 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Tue, 08/11/2009 - 20:06 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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Swiss with German/Croat/Dutch/French ( no wonder i have such inner conflicts ) roots ... and yes i can over-post ... will try to bring the volume down and quality up ...

Wed, 08/12/2009 - 06:16 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:17 | Link to Comment Sancho Ponzi
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I'd like to think most of the people on this forum have the vision to look beyond the current two party offerings. There will soon be another party to fill the void created by the previous and current crop of Washington wankers.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 21:05 | Link to Comment onecent
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Listen, I dream of a third party too, but, it would keep our Democrat socialist slobs in power forever. Ross Perot, anyone?  We aren't a parliamentary system, thank God, as that is a sure prescription for stagnation and inept governance.

Rebuilding the Republican party as a party of fiscal, small gov't conservatives is our only hope.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:00 | Link to Comment Apocalypse Now
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Pssst... Come a little closer and learn. Politics is the acquisition and application of power. 

  • "Politics: A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage." - Ambrose Pierce.
  • Einstein is rumored to have stated compound interest was "the most powerful force in the Universe."
  • "Give me the control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws." Mayer Amschel Rothschild 
  • "The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes." Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952
  • "The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties." New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

So, if politics is the acquisition and application of power, and compound interest is the most powerful force in the Universe, then politics = banking/money.  Since 1922, Rockefeller and the international bankers have controlled both parties.  Those dogmatically tied to either party are unfortunately deceived - follow the money.

To really blow your mind, think of Op-press-ion.  It is applied with the press, both in the form of money control with the printing press and the media "press" controlling the information you receive.  The two party system is the illusion of choice, using the thesis, antithesis, and synthesis formula following the Hegelian Dialectic to bring the US into a socialistic one world system ruled by international bankers and the Rockefeller structure.  Money has no loyalty to party, or to country.

If you think politics is irrelevant, you are failing to see the connection between the agenda of the money interests (pulling the strings behind the scenes in both parties to acheive their agenda - see quotes)  and it just might be you who is irrelevant. 

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:19 | Link to Comment Veteran
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Nice post

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 19:26 | Link to Comment whacked
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ooo bring me a politician of the likes of charles lindbergh who had the decency to stand up for his convictions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_August_Lindbergh

 

everyone in the congress and senate are more intent on the tenancy than the truth. maybe a small minority (paul for one) but they do not have the charisma or b@lls to make the intrenational press stand up and listen.

 

 

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 20:10 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 00:43 | Link to Comment D.O.D.
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+10 again!

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:54 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:47 | Link to Comment Steak
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Its presented that way because the typical relationship between the VIX and SPX is inverse.  So when that relationship holds you'll see them on this chart moving in the same direction.  So just makes for a better visual representation and easier to digest the info presented.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:46 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 16:52 | Link to Comment Steak
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I met this gentleman at last year's Morningstar conference.  His knowledge was second to none but what really earned my respect was that he would answer some questions with "I don't know."  He was the only presenter at that conference with the confidence to say that.  Also he totally nailed the yen appreciation trade these past couple years.  Ballerrrrrr

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 20:57 | Link to Comment Deficient Market
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Actually just the fact that no one shouted over or cut him off during the whole interview is a definite + for FoxBusiness over CNBS. Surprisingly they didn't even go to commercial or technical difficulties when he mentioned reverting back to Glass-Steagal.

Thanks, it was worth watching someone that makes sense in MSM for once

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:03 | Link to Comment Hondo
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Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:19 | Link to Comment max2205
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HERE'S the next "100 SPX point event":

Assets of Guaranty Bank (GFG -8.3%) - the large Texas lender on the verge of collapse - are drawing bidding interest from Blackstone Group (BX), Flexpoint and U.S. Bancorp (USB). A Guaranty failure would be the largest since the September seizure of Washington Mutual.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:22 | Link to Comment max2205
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They are stating to eat their own now:

MBIA (MBI) now down 16.2% after JPMorgan Chase cuts the bond insurer to "underperform," saying it thinks the company's tangible book value is negative, contrasted with MBIA's own BV report of $2.8B ($13/share)

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:28 | Link to Comment SV
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saying it thinks the company's tangible book value is negative

 

I guess it takes one to know one!

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:30 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:10 | Link to Comment D.O.D.
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You must be new here...

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:42 | Link to Comment Vlsrs (not verified)
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 19:28 | Link to Comment whacked
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yen carry trade is perverse ...

 

why is there not a sudden disconnect between yen and usd so that the carriers get their collective @$$es burnt once again.

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