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Stocks In Gold Down As Latest Stock Ramp Again Fails To Offset Purchasing Power Loss

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The now traditional ramp in all risk assets continues to underperform the increasing fund flow into gold: a phenomenon we last disclosed after the most recent FOMC meeting. In other words, the S&P expressed in gold is down for the day. Which basically means that even with today's joke of a market move, the purchasing power lost as a result of now global currency debasement is not offset by some high beta name surging to all time highs. Even basicalier, it means that gold continues to do better than stocks every time there is a central bank intervention. And there will be much more central bank intervention before the location of the next world war release party is officially disclosed. Basicaliest: stocks ramp, gold ramps more. Nuf said.

Here is how Rosie describes this "surreal" situation from his daily notes:

The U.S. dollar has weakened again, which is one reason why the equity markets are on a more even keel today; however, we should be on a lookout for a countertrend rally in the greenback. The long euro trade has become quite crowded and it got a boost this morning from the service sector PMI, which came in at 54.1 in September from an earlier reading of 53.6. Make no mistake, the continent, together with the U.K., are every bit prone to a renewed economic contraction. Just look at Ireland and their banking systems, which are even more of a basket case than in the U.S.A.

A lot of attention is being placed on the Fed’s strong hints of QE2, but very quietly the ECB was buying a huge $730 million of bonds last week — ostensibly the only backstop out there for Irish and Portuguese debt. Now, in a sign of desperation — soon to come America’s way, so it seems — the Bank of Japan cut its policy rate the grand total of 10 basis point to zero on the nose and at the same time said it would establish a $60 billion facility to buy JGBs and other assets. So this helped trigger a rally today in both the Nikkei (up 1.5%) and the JGB market (10-year yield down to 90bps).

At the same time, there were more verbal hints of additional FX intervention to weaken the yen, and a sign that no country wants a strong currency today. The Reserve Bank of Australia refrained from raising Aussie rates today at the policy meeting — the Aussie dollar slipped sharply (by over a cent) on the no-move. The Bank of Canada has followed suit in shifting its rhetoric from “hawkish” to “dovish” in a bid to clip the loonie’s wings, especially given the sudden slowing in the domestic economy.

All sorts of efforts are either being announced or contemplated to resist currency appreciation from India to Korea to Taiwan and now Brazil as well (the latter just doubled its tax on foreign bond holders, to 4%). Hence the allure of gold and silver as currency surrogates with a more inelastic supply curve (we could probably even include platinum in there).

Tin is hardly precious, but global supply disruptions have helped it to a 51% price surge this year. Again, more attention is being placed on the fact that the S&P 500 is up 2% so far this year than on where the real money is being made — commodities in general, metals in particular.

Are currency wars any different from trade wars? We may indeed look back at that comment (“currency war”) by Brazil’s finance minister (Mantega) back on September 27 as a critical inflection point. The fact that nobody talks about this, preferring instead to justify their positions on a bond yield/earnings yield gap, is even more reason for caution. And of course, overnight Bernanke voiced his support for additional expansion of the Fed balance sheet, which means more expansion of the money supply. Whether or not velocity turns up ahead of a new credit cycle remains to be seen, but again, the implications from all this global stimulus is clear: nobody wants a strong exchange rate, and the only certain investment theme that comes out of this, in this era of intense uncertainty and beggar-thy-neighbour currencypolicies, is precious metals.

Indeed, gold just hit a new record high of $1,328/oz this morning (in the aftermath of the BoJ move) for another 1% gain and is now up 21% for the year, and as far as we can tell, the only asset class to have generated a positive return now for 10 years running (longest winning streak since at least 1920, according to Bloomberg). The legendary Jimmy Rogers reportedly told CNBC today that the yellow metal may well hit $2,000 in the next decade (and that may end up being conservative — then again, 4%-plus average returns are not that bad at all in a deflationary backdrop).

Silver, without much fanfare, is performing even better, with burgeoning global demand for solar panels and batteries providing some extra torque from the already solid investment-related buying activity. Even if we are due for a technical pullback, the precious metals complex is in a full-fledged bull market, and not until the world’s central banks have the gusto to start tightening monetary policy, then rest assured that ultra-low gold leasing rates will keep the trend in prices on an upward trajectory.

Meanwhile, stresses are still evident in areas like consumer credit delinquency rates, which edged up in the U.S.A. to 3% in Q2 from 2.98%, stalling a three-quarter improvement. U.S. consumer bankruptcies also rose 11% in the first nine months of 2010, to 1.16 million.

Moreover, for all the talk of recovery and reflation, from our lens, these are next to impossible without credit expansion. The latest data from the Fed showed that in the September 22 week, bank credit contracted $71.8 billion on top of a $13.7 billion decline the week before for the sixth steepest slide over a two-week span on record (and right across the board from business credit to real estate to consumer loans).

 

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Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:39 | 625825 Rusty Shorts
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I'm a Rocket Surgeon, split neutrons in my spare time, fucking aye.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:42 | 625836 Dr. No
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Split neutrons?  I kill neurons in my spare time!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:03 | 625910 Azannoth
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I shit quark plasma !

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:09 | 626128 LowProfile
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I compress real particles out of the virtual quantum soup!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:47 | 626478 doolittlegeorge
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and no one can stop us now cause we're PARTICLES bitchez.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:00 | 626110 Turd Ferguson
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Well...it looks like the EE has seen enough for today. They've made their first capping efforts up near the high of the day. $1340 appears to be the latest "Maginot Line" for them. Expect it to work, for a few days anyway. Wouldn't surprise me if we've seen the highs for the week. Stay nimble!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 15:22 | 626951 EscapeKey
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Yeah, but have you seen the move in Silver? Up over $1 today, closing in on 5%.

Oh, and Gold just - finally - broke and is sitting @ $1,341.35 atm. Let's see if it lasts.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 15:50 | 627058 Turd Ferguson
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Yep, the EE is trying but gold sure looks like it wants to take a run up at 1350. Maybe happen overnight? Still, if it does, you can bet your ass a bunch of fresh, new paper shorts will come out to attempt to bang it back down tomorrow am NY time.

The employment report has all the trappings of a fuck job at this point. Just like last December. Everybody got sucked in to gold and out of the $ and, lo and behold, the Dec employment number came in a little better than expected. The $ began a huge rally and gold went into the shitcan. May not happen Friday but I can't get that old feeling out of my head.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:14 | 626146 kathy.chamberli...
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Nuf said. bitch

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:21 | 626168 pan-the-ist
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ez

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:48 | 626483 doolittlegeorge
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i like "beach" myself.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:40 | 625830 snowball777
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Never mind gold, check out the affordable cousin...

http://www.goldsilverbullion.com/WCMdesign/BullionPICs/BullionDetailPics...

+$20.5 +3.7%

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:54 | 625875 gwar5
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I thought you meant silver, you got palladium! It's rocking right now!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:09 | 625936 truont
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"Who let the bugs out?--Who let the bugs out?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaPs8sxqB0

 

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:20 | 626166 kathy.chamberli...
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uncle AL, let the dogs out.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:11 | 626133 LowProfile
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Make sure you trade to gold when the time looks right.  It's pretty, but it ain't money.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:45 | 625832 truont
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Basicaliest: stocks ramp, gold ramps more.

For further explanation, a picture is worth a thousand words:

http://steadfastfinances.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Historical-SP-500-to-Price-of-Gold-Ratio-1900-to-2010-credits-Zero-Hedge.jpg

When will gold top?  About when the SP500/gold ratio hits the red line.  It may dip below that though.

 

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:52 | 625870 gwar5
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Thanks for the chart - nice one

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:22 | 626175 kathy.chamberli...
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boy, gold up almost 23. dollars. isn't that a pretty big per¢age?

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:49 | 626490 doolittlegeorge
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taking out a Fed Chairman.  Gives you a woody, doesn't it.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:25 | 626415 Biosci
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Can you re-post that on a log scale?  Looks like going down to the red line suggests ~ a tripling in price (holding SPX constant).

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:43 | 625843 Species8472
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basicalier!!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:07 | 625932 Whatta
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"basicalier" "Basicaliest"

 

I think I sprained an eyeball.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:45 | 625844 fiftybagger
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Stíbrná Fenas!!!!!!!!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:47 | 625854 lsbumblebee
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This is such a laugh. Gold is on a torrid pace today so they have to continue to ramp equities up ever higher.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:09 | 625935 hedgeless_horseman
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GS, not so much.  For a good time, ask why GS has been far less volatile than the herd.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:28 | 626008 lsbumblebee
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Maybe Lloyd figured he didn't want to make it look too obvious. Then again, when did that ever matter?

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:48 | 625855 Ragnarok
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Is there any chance we could get a historical chart of this since the S&P peak in 2007 to present?

 

Does anyone know where a layman can create charts like this?

 

Thanks

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:50 | 625858 firstdivision
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TD,

 

How broken are the AUD/JPY and 30's10's2's correlations?

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:14 | 625957 Tyler Durden
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Very

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:12 | 626138 Hephasteus
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Exibiting signs of bustification.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:25 | 626180 kathy.chamberli...
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bitchification

 

bitchaliest

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:51 | 625863 wagefreedom
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basically, basicalier, basicaliest......hey look at you conjugating insanity!!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:52 | 625865 JJ McApe
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The price of Gold wil be  $1337 soon!!!11

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:54 | 625876 MsCreant
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NOW!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:58 | 625892 fuu
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1337.10

I wonder if the elite masters get the joke.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:58 | 626106 Cognitive Dissonance
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$1,340

And yes, they get the joke because the joke's on us, the so called middle class worker bees. Don't believe for a second that the elites are not buying Gold. They are and as much as they can in physical form. This will eventually become obvious.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:17 | 626291 WaterWings
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And everyone I know will not be thankful I told them so, over and over and over and over again.

---

With a buddy in a typical, large sports bar section of a family restaurant yesterday. Manager enjoying food a few seats away explains, in what seems to be a routine for him, that his bartendress graduated last year in econ.

My "glee" sets in.

She comes to drop off the updated tab (happy hour) and I refrained from asking why daddy's little girl graduated from a glorious state school with such a fancy degree yet is (un)employed serving alcohol. Instead I gave her the false choice ambush: "So, is Greenspan a traitor or simply an old baffoon?"

Yep. Daddy's girl. She doesn't give a shit about econ and doesn't know what I'm talking about. A nation of slaves.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 15:14 | 626912 Cognitive Dissonance
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Ignorance is bliss.

And intelligent and well educated ignorance is even more blissful.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:52 | 625867 redarrow
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You may not be able to eat gold but you will always be able to eat if you sell it.

With paper you may eat today but you will may not be able to eat someday soon.

I just dont know how the Fed is able to get away with this magnitude of money printing, its a wonder really. Let alone contemplating the next round of QE.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:52 | 625868 GoinFawr
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"...even basiclier...",

thanks a lot Tyler, that's another notebook destroyed by 'misting with coffee'. Luckily, thanks to 'deflation', they are a dime a dozen these days; the espresso on the other hand...oh well, at least ZH is doing its part to keep us consuming and the economy, uh, recovering.

Regards

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:01 | 625905 Cognitive Dissonance
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"...even basiclier...",

Tyler has me running to my dictionary at least once a day, but I didn't even reach for it this time. Too funny.

I reserve the right to use it in future articles. Of course, with proper attribution to Tyler.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:30 | 626193 kathy.chamberli...
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oops, my computer is on delay.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:53 | 626503 doolittlegeorge
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have you been bounced around yet?

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 14:28 | 626698 kathy.chamberli...
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I don't understand some of your replies. I understand water wings is har ass ing me. what are you doing?

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:52 | 625869 Barry McBear
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Can anyone suggest a good ratio of ES to GC to trade this?

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:54 | 625873 RobotTrader
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Gold and equities are the same trade.

Both are "Risk Assets".

Gold bugs should be rooting for Dow 14,000.

And stock bulls should be rooting for $1,500 gold.

All these gold bugs cheerleading for a crash in the economic system are fools.

 

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:02 | 625906 UnRealized Reality
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I would have to agree. IF Gold is going to be a 1:1 ratio

I'll take Dow 36,000

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:02 | 625908 uberfinch
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The difference, Robo, is that people aren't buying gold for risk or speculation.  They are buying gold because they are scared and want to avoid risk.  I am highly skeptical that a collapse in the market will do much other than make a slight dent in gold value.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 14:21 | 626666 doolittlegeorge
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you misunderstand Robo.  he said the gold bugs should WISH for Dow 14,000.  And of course he is correct.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:03 | 625909 john_connor
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They are the same trade with the exception that gold is now outperforming stocks during "Risk on" days.  So why buy stocks at all when you can get a better return on gold?

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:13 | 625950 Tyler Durden
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Funny how everyone chooses to ignore this simple inequality, which we have pointed out about 5 times now.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:50 | 626078 truont
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But Tyler, cognitive dissonance sets in.

How can an inert lump of metal beat professional hedge fund managers, and the entire US stock market, for 10 years running?

This just can't be true!  My financial professors told me so!  So I will just ignore gold, until it reaches $5000, then I will desperately buy into the blow-off top and lose all my money.

Sounds like a plan?

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:55 | 626101 Cognitive Dissonance
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Agreed. For the conditioned mind to break from it's conditioning, it must feel panic in order to overcome the pain of being non-compliant. Sadly this is usually well past the point where it's beneficial to change tracks.

This is why in a burning plane that's on the ground, so many people stick to the aisles to get to the exits. Studies have shown that those who quickly climb over seats or even break social conventions and push to the head of the line are the ones who survive.

He who panics first lives to panic again.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:10 | 626130 SheepDog-One
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I think the 'panic' part is about to be introduced, looking at Obamas approval which has shed another 2 points since the start of the Sept 800+ point DOW run up, in my opinion to restore Obamas strong disapproval. The 'placate the peasantry with BS' didnt work, on to fear and panic Plan B now.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:38 | 626212 kathy.chamberli...
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Studies have shown that those who quickly climb over seats or even break social conventions and push to the head of the line are the ones who survive.

coggy i have been practicing this my whole life. i can climb over seats like no tomorrow, cause that is my escape route. climb out of first floor windows really really well too. i have an advantage with really really long legs. but hey, use what you got. like not a great mind, but long legs. she's got leggs†

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLw1_6jBIJM&feature=related

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:02 | 626322 WaterWings
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Oh, you figured out how to use the blockquote. Good f o u r you.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 14:33 | 626717 kathy.chamberli...
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good fore you, har ASS her. I didn't know it wascalled a block quote, thanks four the update.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 14:03 | 626549 doolittlegeorge
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ahh the psychology of a compound interest that must be defined downward.  in the meantime Wisconsin Energy "was forced" to price a note at 7 plus percent.  This is an equity that has hit nothing but record highs "during the double dip." I agree "this is expensive." They seem good for it--and needless to say the lenders are already well compensated for both "the 7" and "being good for it" being true. I may look for a way to fight that materially but how am i better off should i do so?  psychologically?  sorry, but that's one weak rationale for "buying into it."  the inevitibility of loss?  interesting...but it needs to be true.  in other words "the market must go down" yes, yes?

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:48 | 626082 BobPaulson
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Even worse is that some gold stocks aren't even keeping up. Like the ones I own.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:16 | 626155 tmosley
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Paper burns, unfortunately.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:49 | 626083 BobPaulson
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double post, sorry

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:13 | 625951 Internet Tough Guy
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Peak oil is back robo.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:15 | 625959 Hephasteus
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Ya. We're fools to think a crash in the system will do any good. I'm sure the powers that be will do all their dirty work killing and creating fear juice all on their own without paying henchmen. Because they believe so strgongly that it's the right thing to do.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:22 | 625981 AccreditedEYE
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Watch your tail Robo... VZ is going to start facing headwind from here to $35. As for the market, the Flash Crash high continues to contain this beast.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:30 | 626015 SheepDog-One
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No, equity stocks are complete bullshit, while gold is the currency since the beginning of time. Well not counting seashells and beads of course.

'All these gold bugs cheering for an economic crash are fools'.....Uh, the economic system has already crashed. USA 75% Borrow to Consume economic model lay in ruins. Only thing youre buying into Robo is a fraud print and pump economic model, way worse than the ridiculous Borrow and Consume economic model.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:42 | 626048 Ricky Bobby
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I buy Gold because it is an act of fucking REBELLION! Get it. Where is a serf to run? I recall seeing where an archeologist found 200 Roman denarii's hidden in a garden statue. How much have things changed? The Emporer needed a new fucking temple to show the citizens what a God he was. So send out the tax collectors. You know we have two wars, need bread, the circus is coming to town, and of course I forgot the children are hungary.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 14:44 | 626721 akak
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If your children are truly hungary, kenya perhaps serve them some turkey, andorra bowl of chile?  No need to use your best china, however or your best table linen --- they will just get greece all over it.  And oman, are greece stains hard to get out!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 14:44 | 626777 kathy.chamberli...
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lying in the sun nay kid

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:55 | 626097 Turd Ferguson
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HEY, ROBO, I THINK SANTA WAS THINKING OF YOU WHEN HE WROTE THIS:

 


In The News Today

Posted: Oct 05 2010     By: Jim Sinclair      Post Edited: October 5, 2010 at 11:50 am

Filed under: In The News

Thought For The Morning

All the mean emails from hedge fund managers and gold shorts calling me a pinhead telling me there isn’t a snowball’s chance in Hell of gold trading at $1650 on or before January 14th 2011 seem to have stopped.

The truth is if it does, I am joining a Franciscan Monastery for the mute.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:55 | 625879 chistletoe
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basicaliest!!!!!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:56 | 625884 Silversinner
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This gold and silver bug just with big smile on

face and glad he bought lot of insurance against

the mad man(central bankers + politicians)what

an easy bet hahaha fck morons

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:56 | 625885 chistletoe
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Oil has finally broken out of its trading range ...

to the upside.

 

JPM may be able to affect gold, and silver,

but oil is just too, too big ....

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:59 | 625896 GoinFawr
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Too many dikes and not enough thumbs, despite these guys being pretty much 'all thumbs'.

Regards

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:17 | 625947 firstdivision
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Tho with oil, it becomes a catch-22 as when the price goes up supply rises as consumption falls.  Think oil will be able to sustain above $90?  I do not believe so unless they start handing out "Oil Consumption Stamps" to the millions of unemployed.  Oil is not responding to fundamentals.  I fear that everything is a bubble at this point as wealth is being destroyed, and we are obviously getting inflationary (or expected inflationary) pressures.  It is the 70's all over again, and we know how economically the 70's ended up being for commodities. 

http://inflationdata.com/inflation/images/charts/Oil/Inflation_Adj_Oil_Prices_Chart.htm

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:29 | 626011 Waterfallsparkles
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In Maryland they already do give out "Oil Consumption Stamps".  It is called energy assistance.  If you are low income the States pay for your Oil and Electricity.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:46 | 626067 firstdivision
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The subsides will fall though with the fiscal problems that are rampant and layoffs still continuing. 

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:14 | 626145 apberusdisvet
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GLD and SLV on life support; massive attempts at redemption coming;  wow; was that a religious statement?  Karma's a bitch.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:57 | 625888 wiskeyrunner
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Long SP500 short USD. ZERO risk!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:00 | 625900 fiftybagger
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ermmm, if stocks go to infinity, but the currency they are in goes to zero, how much money do you have?  Zero.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 14:08 | 626574 doolittlegeorge
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what you mean to say is "if stocks go to infinity but bread goes to infinity how much money do you have" yes, yes?  i mean this statement makes no sense.  you and i don't trade currency at the grocery store.  we SPEND it.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:00 | 625899 TheGreatPonzi
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When I opened my trade console today, everything was up: indices, precious metals, and every single currency against the dollar. This has not happened since the 2008 crisis and the January 2009 QE.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:05 | 625919 Cognitive Dissonance
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All the stops are being pulled as the desperate CB's do everything and anything to prevent a market crash. There can be no sideways churn anymore. It must either go up quickly or it will most certainly go down even quicker.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:14 | 625956 Whatta
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"It must either go up quickly or it will most certainly go down even quicker."

CD, shouldn't that read "quicklier"?

Also, why the heck is nat gas still always the stepchild. Someday soon it has to regain its store of value status regardless of current supply. It is green today...currently up one thin cent.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:32 | 626018 Xedus129
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Methane always gets a bad rap..

"Not shit! Energy!"

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:47 | 626076 tmosley
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It's tough to export.  It can only reasonably be used by now impoverished Americans.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:50 | 626087 Cognitive Dissonance
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CD, shouldn't that read "quicklier"?

LOL

My over 60 brain isn't as "quicklier" as yours is to instantly adopt new social movements. I need a 24 hour turnaround for the new information to be assimilated into the central CPU and another 2 days of playing with it before I can use it in a sentence. :>)

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 03:35 | 628497 StychoKiller
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Bah, verbogeny is one of many pleasurettes afforded a creatific thinkerizer.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:45 | 626247 kathy.chamberli...
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i know i know, what are CB's besides cheeks initials?

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 15:21 | 626939 Cognitive Dissonance
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I miss Cheeky as well and I hope he's OK. He has some serious health problems that have kept him off ZH several times in the past. Other than that graphic he posted some days ago, he's been missing in action for months. Very sad.

To answer your question, CB's in this case mean Central Banks such as the Federal Reserve or the Bank of England and so on.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 16:41 | 627201 kathy.chamberli...
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oh that was a fine reply, thanks. I'm going to find him, it is my new "task" and as one ZH er said, woman will die trying to execute their tasks. I have nothing else to do cept save the planet

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:21 | 625974 SWRichmond
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My 'Armageddon' portfolio is green across the board.  I might not work today.  Up nicely, being held back somewhat by my soon-to-be-worthless cash hedge position.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:32 | 626437 TheDriver
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Same here, SW. Want to knock off early and go get a pint from Terry at Penny Lane?

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:01 | 625904 Waterfallsparkles
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No one is shorting.  No one to buy the pump.  Long only Traders now.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:53 | 625911 plocequ1
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Look at my Gold and my Goog soar. It looks like the Fed wants to make everybody happy. Thank you Uncle Ben. I love you. If I wasn't married and a straight male, I would kiss that sexy beard.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:48 | 626263 kathy.chamberli...
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i ain't married am a straight female, but the last thing i would ever kiss is anything on that dude's head. especially hair. wonder if the drapes match the carpet, and he doesn't have any down there.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 14:11 | 626591 doolittlegeorge
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you don't want to rub the baldness?  LIAR!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 14:38 | 626748 kathy.chamberli...
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not his fore (skin) sure.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:04 | 625914 TraderMark
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Who knew STYX nailed it a few decades ago

Everyone sing together!

 

POMO Arigato Mr. Roboto

http://www.fundmymutualfund.com/2010/10/bookkeeping-adding-index-exposur...

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:06 | 625922 TheGreatPonzi
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Given the very quick up in gold, it is possible that the Crimex and JPM are experiencing some serious troubles right now (demand of physical redemption?)

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 03:38 | 628500 StychoKiller
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Their monitors state the following:  "Your mouse has moved.  Please restart Windows for these changes to take effect."

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:07 | 625929 99er
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Chart: USD/JPY

Your government proudly at work...for you.

http://99ercharts.blogspot.com/2010/10/usdjpy_4412.html

 

Wed, 10/06/2010 - 03:40 | 628504 StychoKiller
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When is the Japanese Govt (indeed, the rest of the World) gonna figure out that the US Printing presses are doing Warp 9??

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:08 | 625933 Thunder Dome
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YOU CAN'T EAT GOLD!!!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:10 | 625939 TheGreatPonzi
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You can't eat wheelbarrows of dollars too.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:19 | 626161 tmosley
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It's SUPPOSED to be a garnish.  Just a couple in your salad.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:20 | 625973 redarrow
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Sorry to wake you up but gold has outperformed everything on a historical basis. Its a store of value that has stood the test of time. You may sell your dollars for less tomorrow but lets not spread your delusion here given that the Fed openly headed towards more QE.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 14:14 | 626607 doolittlegeorge
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i thought wheat was better ytd.  maybe gold et al is just making up for lost time. of course "wheat must grow." the "et al" is mined.  year around.  and remember Highlander..."there can be only one."

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:33 | 626020 SheepDog-One
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You cant eat worthless stocks or worthless dollars either.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:12 | 625942 Silversinner
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Gold=MONEY

Silver=MONEY+much more

Cash=trash

Rare earth metals bigest bull market ever?!

Stocks when P/E ratio 5-7 div 7-9%

Bonds when interest 15-20%

Houses 6y-8y rent to buy

Good luck

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:53 | 626092 BobPaulson
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I'd say it's too late for the rare earth rush. That's all about China cornering.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:14 | 625958 bronzie
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" before the location of the next world war release party is officially disclosed"

this is the second time today that Tyler has dropped casual mention of the next world war into an article and nobody has commented on it

G. Edward Griffin in "Creature from Jekyll Island" goes into a lot of detail about how the central banks start wars and fund both sides

other writers talk about the common path that civilizations take - at some point in the decline of most civilizations, war becomes the most common next step

seems to me that we are at that point in Western civilization ...

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:25 | 625994 Barry McBear
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War's a great way to solve the unemployment problem.  Send a few million unskilled peasants to a glorious death.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:42 | 626049 tamboo
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griffin ripped off mullins' 'secrets of the fed'.

 

http://jewwatchusa.blogspot.com/2009/01/jew-watch-usa-writings-of-eustac...

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 16:04 | 627097 Art Vandelay
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Fuck you, you piece of shit.  Go spew your filth somewhere else.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:13 | 626144 SheepDog-One
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Of course theres the innevitable world war brewing, I've commented on it many times.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:22 | 625977 Hulk
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Would love to be a fly on the wall at JPM's commodities desk right now....

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:22 | 625978 godfader
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What about Oil, why is it so terribly cheap measured in gold? It's at a near record low. Certainly with all the money printing crude should be at $350 shouldn't it?????

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:23 | 625987 Turd Ferguson
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patience, grasshoppah

$100 will come first, before the end of the year

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:34 | 626027 SheepDog-One
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Oil is not priced in gold, its priced in dollars, for now anyway. Sure youre right, oil should be at $350 meaning gas would be about $10 a gallon, spurring bankrupt unemployed foreclosed america to shopping spree trips!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:22 | 625979 Turd Ferguson
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Again, please keep in mind that roughly 80% of the gain in gold from the lows of July can be traced to action on Mondays and Tuesdays.

We will, most likely, see the highs for the week later today or overnight. The BLS will, almost certainly, cook up some strength in the jobs number on Friday leading to a $ rally and a gold selloff back to 1320 or so.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:25 | 625995 Internet Tough Guy
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I dunno, it feels like the game has changed. We haven't had a pullback that lasted a day in a weeks.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:37 | 626034 SheepDog-One
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Theyre desperate to pull off this election and avoid total humiliation for Obungler, but thats impossible. All this stock pumping fraud is just making Main St peasantry far more angry. 

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:17 | 626157 DrFever
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I don't think main street really cares.  They surely aren't invested, they are broke and unemployed and so a rising stock market only angers them more because the fat cats that have the cash to invest are the only ones making any money. 

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:44 | 626055 Turd Ferguson
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I hear ya, ITG. Just keep in mind that if you're trading gold for fun or profit, you always want to sell into strength and buy on weakness...as counter-intuitive and challenging as that may be. Today, though very stout, would traditionally be a great day to lighten a little with the hope of buying back in on Friday.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:15 | 626150 SheepDog-One
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Well likewise all of the index gains since DOW 6,500 have been in pre-market futures.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:24 | 625989 Pegasus Muse
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The importance of Ron Kirby's article should not be under estimated.  More and more people are on to (and writing about) the FED/Treasury/Bullion Bankster scam and fraud with USD/precious metal price manipulation.  How long until the story explodes in the MSM?  It's too huge a story to suppress much longer.  Then the race to dump fiat paper is on. 

Great snag on this one Tyler. 

=============

 The Federal Reserve is Selling Paper Gold and Buying Physical Gold

Submitted by Rob Kirby on Mon, 4 Oct 2010

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/rob-kirby/the-federal-reserve-is-selling-paper-gold-and-buying-physical-gold

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:24 | 625990 Internet Tough Guy
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CRIMEX is glowing like chernobyl.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:34 | 626024 markar
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such a pleasure watching JPM getting sqeezed like a pimple

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:45 | 626062 Turd Ferguson
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Be sure to check Harvey Organ tonight. I'm sure he'll be glowing, too.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:26 | 626002 redarrow
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We shall not enter a period of deflation or smell the coffee unless you see social unrest on the main stream media, until that happens it is go go SPY. Once shitybank sent a note out to its high networth clients that their biggest risk is social unrest since they cannot produce more votes through QE and the rich have just one vote like everyone else.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 11:57 | 626103 Leo Kolivakis
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Did all you BSDs buy the dip yesterday??? Nuff said!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:19 | 626154 firstdivision
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Picked up some TNA and already closed it today to do some deep OTM puts shopping for 2011.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:37 | 626218 SheepDog-One
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S&P expressed in gold is down today in purchasing power despite the furtures ramp, Loser Leo.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 14:54 | 626810 akak
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Loser Leo.

He certainly is.  As are all clueless, statist Keynesian true-believers.

Leo, I would buy the dip, but I can never find your name in the stock quotes.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:13 | 626143 All_Is_Well
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Go ahead! Ramp oil back to >$100. See what happens....Again!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:16 | 626152 DrFever
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Does it really matter anymore.  It is obvious that the market will only go in one direction.  All negative news is discounted.  One day there will be a major correction but for now, I'm out.  You can't win in a rigged casino.  Bubbles everywhere but it doesn't seem to matter one bit.

It's all bullshit.

 

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:20 | 626165 Jake Lamotta
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Opulence, I has it !!!!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkMsSIjQXxo

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:22 | 626172 Hook Line and S...
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The only reason to hear angels singing when AU is going up is that you are not losing as much wealth. When converting FRN's to AU you only increase the probability of having a better life in the future (not to mention that you are crashing the Oli's invite only party). When gold goes up it means that your ice-cream containers are going to get smaller, you will need more shock absorbers for your car, and the gov is going to get a whole lot nastier. Gold on Viagra is NOT a reason to whip it out and start stroking, nurse at the keg, or do a Mexican hat dance around your sombrero.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:48 | 626261 fiddler_on_the_roof
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Good line of thinking.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:55 | 626289 Hook Line and S...
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Whoever junked me will end up as my first indentured servant after the reset! I am going to be one hell of perverted master! You better be stocked up on propylene glycol baby.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:28 | 626190 romanko
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brilliant

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:31 | 626197 romanko
romanko's picture

when the mainstream inverstoriat gets religion that gold is the best bang for the buck, will everything else get sold off?

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:47 | 626257 Hook Line and S...
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You can just smell the grey market transactions that are going to occur from those who ascertain that they have 'excess' AU to play at risk. Productive assets (and their security) will be the first to meet the exchange. Arable land, agriculture, security, access to easily enslaved labor, and opportunities to be the new lender in the reset world.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:38 | 626224 Temporalist
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Hambro Says Gold May Reach $1,500 an Ounce by Christmas: Video

Peter Hambro, chairman of Petropavlovsk Plc, a gold and iron ore mining and exploration company in Russia, talks about the outlook for gold prices.

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 12:56 | 626290 BearishFeijoadaSushi
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Brazilian Real is pegged to gold from several months ago...

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:49 | 626487 sweetwater88
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Yeah Gold pp is way up ,unless you own that crap that ZH loves PHYS  !!! Eric Sprott's  thief holdings!!!

Tue, 10/05/2010 - 14:04 | 626552 MrMorden
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$1340, bitchez.

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