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The Strategic Considerations In The Choice Of Osama's Safe House

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Curious why Osama Bin Laden lived where he did? Stratfor Vice President of Intelligence Fred Burton examines the strengths and weaknesses of bin Laden’s safe-house and discusses how the al Qaeda leader was able to hide for so many years in a populated urban area.

This members-only video is embedded with express permission of STRATFOR. STRATFOR's report on Who the U.S. Will Target Next

Transcript of the video from Stratfor

Above the Tearline: Osama bin Laden's Safe-House

In this week’s Above the Tearline, we’re going to talk about terrorist safe houses and how Osama bin Laden hid in plain sight for many, many years.

Al Qaeda has a long history of utilizing secure and trustworthy logistical channels to assist them with communications, operational security, safe houses and transportation. We have seen one report that the house that Osama bin Laden was hiding in had been utilized in the past to safe haven a previous al Qaeda high-value target. Therefore, that location would fit the intelligence collection requirement to look for safe houses that have been used before.

The choice of the urban environment to safe haven Osama bin Laden is a sound one from a security perspective. You have the advantage of an established community, a neighborhood watch system that you can call in to play, children, animals that could sound the early alert if outsiders move in for surveillance or arrest purposes. If you contrast that with a rural environment, it’s easier for counterterrorism teams to move into a rural environment that would be secluded because your neighborhood system is not in play that could provide that early warning system that something’s afoot.

One of the other aspects that benefits the urban environment is a safe house in that kind of community is the inability to come in and set up a surveillance observation post. The reason you can’t is you are going to call attention to yourself as an outsider based upon the fact that most of these environments are very much community-based and the presence of individuals that show up out of the blue is going to raise the hue and cry for everybody in the neighborhood to be asking questions.

When you’re selecting a safe house, you want to have the ability to control the geography. You own the public safety apparatus, you have a system in place that’s going to alert you to outsiders. But it appears to me that this safe house was chosen for a specific reason and one could certainly suspect that the area was controlled by al Qaeda.

The Above the Tearline aspect in this case is two-pronged. The first is the compromised safe house. This was a location allegedly used before. If so, that’s a fatal error but it tracks with previous al Qaeda methodology of using trusted communications and logistic channels. More importantly, the human error failure here, meaning a courier, a communications node was compromised and that individual ultimately led Western intelligence, specifically the CIA, to that specific safe house. Those two variables, the compromised safe house and the compromised courier, led to Osama bin Laden’s demise.

 

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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:10 | 1238674 goldfish1
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Who buys this shiite?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:14 | 1238685 Smu the Wonderhorse
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He was a Sunni, of course. But funny stuff nonetheless!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:18 | 1239081 DocLogo
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I'd believe the official story more if the safe house was in foreclosure.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:14 | 1241980 nkktwotwozero
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JP Morgan REO for sure!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:49 | 1238888 chumbawamba
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Seriously.  This is like Star Trek fans filling in all the details of the Star Trek universe, including where Captain Kirk slept, what his favorite pajamas were, how warm he commanded Computer to make his nighttime milk, etc.

Next, we'll learn what Osama billof Lading's Xbox Live screen name and what his high score on Call of Duty was, along with his internet browsing history and the favorite channels programmed on his remote.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:52 | 1238906 trav7777
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2 details not mentioned in the article....1 is it was close to the capital and ISI and lots of military folks.

2 is that it was close to the capital and ISI and lots of military folks.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:54 | 1238919 fries_with_that
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Great question - no-one sane buys it. Tyler - this ZH website has to be one of the best on the web. If you are intent on making it THE best please research this nonsense. Bin Laden has been dead for years! Please research this with an open mind. But thanks for the website ZH - much appreciated.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:12 | 1239024 goldfish1
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Bin Laden has been dead for years!

Irrelevant to the euphoria.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:20 | 1239077 Ted Celeste
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Sad but true.  ZH is still the best website out there but posting this Stratfor nonsense is embarassing.  OBL has been dead a long time.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:00 | 1240209 scratch_and_sniff
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How the f*** would you know?, what a windbag...if you want to hear yourself talk then buy a DAT recorder and stick it on a loop.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:28 | 1239113 bankonzhongguo
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"Geronimo" was not hiding.

He was hidden (by ISI and "retired" Pakistani military-intelligence). 

If you even believe the current narrative.

If you were hiding from the FBI, what resources would you need to score a private doctor, mail order bride, a ton of friends, lots of pet rabbits and build 3 story compound within 700 meters of the entrance to the FBI Academy?

For this guy to be purportedly in this area is no different than the numerous CIA and FBI "safe houses" that populate the sleepy suburbs of McLean, Falls Church, Great Falls and Vienna Virgina.

Regardless of when and how (if) UBL went off to paradise, it is clear that a major schism between the US and Pakistan has been created and will be further exploited - threats of Pakistani loose nukes to invade our underwear, or more GWOT.  Going forward, the US will be funding various "anti-Muslim" groups in India to otherwise foment more regional distrust and work on the chronic and fanatical paranoia contained in Pakistani perception of Kashmir.

Your tax dollars at work.

Meanwhile, 1 in 7 Amerikan debt prisoners are now getting Food Stamps.

Where are the bankster prosecutions Obama/Holder?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 14:21 | 1239449 patb
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" you want to have the ability to control the geography. You own the public safety apparatus, you have a system in place that’s going to alert you to outsiders. But it appears to me that this safe house was chosen for a specific reason and one could certainly suspect that the area was controlled by al Qaeda."

The area was controlled by the ISI. The Taliban is a ISI subsidiary,  and AL-Q was definitely in bed with ISI.

The ISI knew he was there, and, was controlling the flow to his safe house.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 14:38 | 1239547 Hugh G Rection
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USA USA USA!!!

 

What, you won't release pictures and he was dumped in the ocean right away? Well I guess we can all take the gubbermints word for it.

 

They should have done this with JFKs corpse, then they wouldnt have had to fix the autopsy.  Maybe examination of a body thats been on ice since 02 would ruin a wonderful story...

 

Who is going to be boogeyman #1 now??? 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:12 | 1238681 Smu the Wonderhorse
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And how have the newly installed Duke and Duchess of Cambridge been able to "hide" in plain sight in their cottage at Anglesey for several years? No reporters, etc. bother them there. Simple: the people there like them and are happy to cooperate in their privacy.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:22 | 1239995 Diogenes
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The CIA has been looking for them for 10 years and not been able to find them, now you give them away.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:14 | 1238690 Segestan
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What kind of ' Leader' hides in a safe house? Perhaps he should have lead his troops onto the battle field, like a warrior,  instead of die like a lamb. I mean he was going down one way or another.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:22 | 1238718 writingsonthewall
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...what you mean like Bush 'lead his troops into war' - oh wait, I forgot, he didn't, he cowered like a lamb.

 

In fact - if I recall old Bush baby sat and listened to a class of chidren when he was told "sir - America is under attack" - when even the least patriotic American would have jumped up and headed off to do something about it.

 

Lets not make comparisons between the 'brave leaders' who send their subjects into war but don't attend themselves - I don't think this has really happened since George Washington (the highest ranked military president) - so people in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:24 | 1238729 NOTW777
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so much koolaid this early in the day?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:44 | 1238854 disabledvet
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i need a woman.  why do you always have to go out and get one of those, too?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:25 | 1238747 Segestan
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Stop twisting words.... I never wrote about bush. Same would apply to Bush except he never hide himself nor was he a warrior. Osama was purported to be a warrior.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:42 | 1238860 disabledvet
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he?  her?  what?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:46 | 1238862 Gert_B_Frobe
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Yes, perhaps Obambi could have gone along on the raid.

"Sorry Sir, your ride is toast and this transport is full. Don't worry, we'll come back for you."

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:53 | 1238908 Segestan
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Actually that is Exactly what Obama should have done. Just Imagine history if Mohammad did what Osama had done... hide. If you have an agenda dont respond to my post.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:42 | 1238840 NonAggressionPr...
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if we are talking rational arguments here: the guy, as sick as he was, was no chicken hawk.  he sacraficed a life of sweet luxury when he fought on the front lines as a mujahadeen against the russians and then took on the US empire.  His chances of being hunted and killed were high....

 

Piece of shit murderer: yes

Coward: no (although crazy religious wackjob)

 

 

 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:44 | 1238872 disabledvet
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"i didn't do it" and "if you're gonna dream, dream big!"

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:55 | 1238926 trav7777
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murderer?  You mean like Harry Truman?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:49 | 1240139 HeadintheGame
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uh, dunno; kinda think King George would've referred to Sam Adams, Paul Revere and those 500 American boys who wasted all of those Brits at the North Bridge in Concord with the shot(s) heard round the world as terrorists too.  Simply depends on your perspective.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:49 | 1238851 DaveyJones
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what kind of democratic champion of freedom executes political enemies for claimed crimes without any proof, trial or procedure except for information gained through torture  

oh, that's right, we're in a war against terrorism with no boundaries, rules, limits or end

terrorism has always existed but the "war" began curiously around the time, place and people drenched in peak oil

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:54 | 1238930 trav7777
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the Israelis?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:57 | 1238953 DaveyJones
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touche

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:18 | 1238694 blindman
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he hid in plain sight because he was dead in a freezer
for the last 9 years.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:24 | 1238745 NotApplicable
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With an Al-CIA-duh controlled dummy managed by the ISI from the nearby military academy ready to take the fall.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:28 | 1238767 blindman
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Dr. Steve Pieczenik: Bin Laden, The Oswald Like Patsy Died 10 Years Ago! 1/7
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj0pM5FoYbs&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
.
here the doctor throws it down !

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:58 | 1238937 trav7777
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look...the ISI and CIA are not friends.  The ISI is the real terrorist organization behind 911, the Taliban, and Mumbai, along with others.  The taliban was and is merely their foreign policy arm in the manner that Hezbollah serves as Iran's proxy

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:59 | 1238968 Raynja
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High walls with barbed wire and multiple gates. They claim he was unarmed and he had no security. Was this a safe house or a prison.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:48 | 1238879 disabledvet
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"he's been defrosted" now "here come the pics."

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:53 | 1238928 fries_with_that
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PRECISELY!!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:19 | 1238699 mspgrandi
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if Friitzl has kept for 18 years 7 people in a basement... i really dont see how hard can it be for Obama to remain hidden in a house for a few years....It s not that Pakistani police was going there to knock the door every day....

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:22 | 1238714 disabledvet
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Had a slight mis-read at first.  Thought it said "Obama"--I did take note "no former Presidents are joining our current President on his visit to the 9/11 site."  It has been said by downhill skiiers "it is the loneliest of competitions."

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:22 | 1238735 magpie
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Lots of freudian slips going around these days.

I too was awakened on monday to the news that Americans were celebrating on the street and greeted Obama's[sic] demise.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:23 | 1238721 NonAggressionPr...
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I have to believe that something happened where they wanted him dead all of a sudden. 10 years is still too much to believe for 3 reasons:

 

1.  in a land of midgets, not too tough to find a guy thats 6'4" to 6'6"

2. diabetic that constantly needs insulin in rural pakistan

3. they did let him go in late 2001

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/afghanistan/article6937049.ece

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:29 | 1238774 bpj
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If Eric Rudolph could stay on the lam for 5 years in Georgia, then 10 years aint no big thang in Pakistan.

 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 14:08 | 1239377 WeeWilly
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BPJ, Rudolph was in the NC mountains...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:20 | 1238722 NOTW777
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wonder who holds the paper BAC or Chase.  could he get the note?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:21 | 1238725 lsbumblebee
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The best place to hide is in a crappy Hollywood movie.

http://sergfox.20x.cc/?p=4938

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:23 | 1238736 bpj
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Let the CIA release info that one of the computers was just chalked full of gay sex movies, and then sit back and watch the fun began.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:26 | 1238754 10kby2k
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Check out his 29 year old shield (wife). She's for sale.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:27 | 1238757 Greenhead
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One commentator made the point that he was being held there.  A kind of house arrest if you will.  Considering we were sending $3 billion a year to Pakistan to help with the search, I'm pretty sure they wanted to make sure the gig lasted as long as possible.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:01 | 1238963 trav7777
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yes I believe it is likely that Pakistan was harboring him, perhaps shielding him as well

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:29 | 1238758 Mr. Poon
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No discussion of the sweeping vistas?  The recently landscaped yard?  The granite countertops that Mrs. bin Laden insisted on having installed?  The neighborhood whose housing prices haven't gone down in the last 20 years?  I can't believe Stratfor pretends this is a discussion of why bin Laden picked the house, when they haven't so much as mentioned the extraordinarily spacious walk-in closets!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:37 | 1238805 silvertrain
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The very trendy, spanish style smooth finish stucco made this an easy choice..

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:30 | 1238762 hangemhigh77
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That's baloney, OBL lived in Bernardsville NJ working in a pizza place.  Everybody in Jersey knows this.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:42 | 1238859 Big Corked Boots
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I thought it was a gas station on 202.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:30 | 1238766 MachoMan
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If the area was controlled be Al Qaeda, then why was there not a larger firefight when the helicopters were hovering/approaching/etc.?  They can plan 9/11, but can't make a rudimentary defense plan for their leader?

Everything about the operation seems as though the targets had no worry whatsoever of being apprehended or killed...  and, as always, it's curious as to why he was not interrogated (tortured) and captured after being admittedly unarmed...

 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:34 | 1238802 blindman
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not even the "intelligence" community thinks
it advisable to interrogate and torture
a frozen corpse. see, we are moving in the right
direction ! we are learning.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:58 | 1238941 DaveyJones
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well said. Why interrogate when you already convicted? And it's not like the leader of the most sought after and successfull terrorist group would have any information worth seeking 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:15 | 1239712 JP McManus
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I'd like to know why it was a 40 minute firefight.  Do you have any idea how many rounds 24+ people can fire in that amount of time?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:45 | 1240114 MachoMan
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Where the shit did you get the 40 minute firefight?  I'm not an expert, but it seems to me this is a 10 minutes tops kind of deal...  for any bigger than the compound is, it will be cleared in minutes if not seconds...  you fast rope in and throw some flash bangs and let the good times roll...  they would try to give the enemy the least possible amount of time to prepare a defense...  (and the choppers aren't quiet).

Further, having any sort of engagement in hostile? territory, in al qaeda's neighborhood...  next to military installations and former military members...  you sure as fuck do not dilly dally around for 40 minutes...  when your ass is up in the air in a san francisco spa, you do not sound a bullhorn to help keep from getting your ass plugged.  No possible way those guys planned this thing for so long and ran practice missions numerous times in the weeks/days leading up to the actual raid and have the damn thing last that long... 

Those guys could level half the town in 40 minutes...  if the primary targets were dead in the first <2 minutes, then where were the other combatants?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:31 | 1238769 Lord Welligton
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Still can't work out why they killed him (now that we know he was unarmed).

The SEAL team are surely the most competent, with others) in the US military.

They could have wounded him and had a live prisoner.

This guy was the head of Al Queda for God's sake.

Surely he had a lot of intelligence to offer?

Also given that no one knew he was there they could have abducted him and held him in one of those secret prisons.

And if they really wanted to kill him they could have done it later.

Just bring him to the mountains and stage a death.

 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:50 | 1238911 Gert_B_Frobe
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:08 | 1239002 Lord Welligton
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Looks like a plan.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 14:13 | 1239398 grok
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maybe they are interrogating him right now eh?  who knows, who cares at this point..  We have bigger issues to worry about.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:29 | 1238770 HomemadeLasagna
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Using this same logic, there's no way he could have hidden there without neighbors knowing, unless the entire neighborhood was in on it.  The odds of keeping that quiet seem pretty slim.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:30 | 1238779 Isotope
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So, now that he's dead, can I have his stuff?

Callin' dibs.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:46 | 1238866 magpie
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calling dibs on his € padded cloak.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:31 | 1238784 Fred123
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Just look at Obama in the released photo of the situaton room. Poor guy looks like he just lost his best friend......

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:41 | 1238848 tamboo
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zbig b. handles both of them and they once attended the same sinagogo so they have a lot in common.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:32 | 1238793 hangemhigh77
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They sent Hillary over there to search for him but she only searched the Hilton and the Marriot.  She said there's no way she was going into any of the crappy areas to search.  if the house is worth less than 5 mil she's not searching it.  that's probably why it took so long to find him. I wonder if he was in the side by side freezer upstairs or stuffed in the chest freezer in the basement?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:04 | 1238998 DaveyJones
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actually tried to arrange a secret five day meeting between our secretary of state and the Al Qaeda leader but he said just kill me 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:37 | 1238803 Internet Tough Guy
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ZH should avoid these articles; how many faked dead bin Laden photos do we have to see, Tyler?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:58 | 1238938 fries_with_that
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EXACTLY!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:35 | 1238808 hangemhigh77
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I wonder if they served fried chicken in the situation room that everyone was in and hillary got a bad piece of chicken and was about to vomit.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:35 | 1238812 hangemhigh77
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I wonder if they served fried chicken in the situation room that everyone was in and hillary got a bad piece of chicken and was about to vomit.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:38 | 1238813 hangemhigh77
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I wonder if they served fried chicken in the situation room that everyone was in and hillary got a bad piece of chicken and was about to vomit.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:55 | 1239860 Protonrick
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On April 3rd, they warned Sony to beware their wrath.

Now, they deny the DOS or anything else was their doing, and blame it on SONY's incompetence.

http://anonops.blogspot.com/

 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:36 | 1238820 hangemhigh77
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I wonder if they served fried chicken in the situation room that everyone was in and hillary got a bad piece of chicken and was about to vomit.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:39 | 1238829 hangemhigh77
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geez, sorry about that. my computer went nuts.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:40 | 1238830 tamboo
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the key is multiple spiderholes.

and doppelgangers.

a stint at the tavistock institute

usually covers the other strategic considerations.

no doubt he picked up a few pointers at the school of americas as well.

zh has officially jumped it with the tim osman disinfo.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:38 | 1238835 bank guy in Brussels
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Good Al Jazeera video report on the alleged house of bin Laden, talks and visits with the neighbours:

« People flock to Bin Laden's Abbottabad compound »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-JqyiYVYlw

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:40 | 1240430 Uncle Remus
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Oh great - Jihadland.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:42 | 1238842 hangemhigh77
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It's a LOT easier to hide when you're dead.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:57 | 1238948 fries_with_that
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YES! YES! YES! I am dumbfounded by how many ZH users don't get this. The guy has been dead for years for crying out loud! Research it with an open mind.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:42 | 1238843 JoeSexPack
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Any photos of the crashed helo?

How about his dialysis machine & supplies?

No damage to the house seen, no bullet holes, all doors & windows intact.

No explanation how DNA test was done in less than an hour, at sea, before dumping OBL's body.

No explanation which of his 1000's of relatives were used for a DNA 'match', so could be his relative they killed & ID'd.

No explanation who visually identified OBL, considering last pic's are 10 years old, before 2 bullets rearranged his face.

 

Oh yeah, & Al-Queda has no membership cards, uniforms, tattoos or secret handshake. It means 'the base' in Arabic & was a CIA-funded training camp in the 80's for mujahadeen fighting the USSR in Afghanistan. OBL was DC's ally then, back when Rumsfeld was delivering poison gas to Saddam to kill Kurds. Funny, but all that missed the MSM.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:44 | 1238855 Hedgetard55
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When was the last time STRATFOR was correct about anything they predicted? I sure can't remember.

 

Who can believe anything that comes out of this White House?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:55 | 1238934 fonestar
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The Osama issue just highlights the lack of trust and disbelief in the current political system.  The best any objective, intelligent person could say of the last few decades is, "we don't know, we may never know."  They have just been caught in their own lies too many times.  Like a relationship that has suffered infedelity too many times, when the trust is gone, it's gone forever.

The only possibility for people gaining insight into an objective truth (if there is such a thing) and extirpating fact from myth in the US Government would be an event like the collapse of the Soviet Union.  Only decades later are we gaining an understanding of the actions of the KGB, Stasi and the surrounding political apparatus.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:59 | 1238944 alexwest
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usual cover up..

some assholes postfactum are discussing Osama's house..
why ??????? to make it legitime that Osama lived there for some time..

that's all hoax... Osama was injected into that house..
Seals got hint , go and kill ..

alx

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:57 | 1238951 fries_with_that
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+1

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:02 | 1238972 kumquatsunite
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Oh fer gawd's sake, must we continue to act as though we are so completely devoid of any reasoning ability whatsoever? The Pakistanis hid Bid Laden because he was a chit to play at some point in the future. With Americans deciding to take their—as the only true inheritance that counts for their children— country back, to end this ridiculous oppression of and denial of the country as a de facto white, capitalist, English, Christian, country, and that is a "way of life," a "mode of living" and not a racist statement. White people being the smallest percentage of any group on the planet, America would hardly be wrong in saying, "Hey, so you all think that we should destroy ourselves because we've been successful enough to keep so many foreign countries assisted for so long?" That's a good one!

Anyways, the point being that Oboma could have been found at any time. He was found now because just maybe Oboma thinks he can lie and trick his way into one more term; you see the liberals whine about those who are successful and want to steal all they have in the communist redistribution scheme, until they have the opportunity to enjoy the fruits of that success. Then they say, "Oh, well, let's just live here in the duplicate of the "gang of Five" and keep all the high-flying White House Air Force One fun and games going on!" and the Misses Oboma thinking that it's OK to go to Spain on vacation on the taxpayer dime, really does believe *you can tell she does* that they deserve to be in the White House. Have you ever seen any two people who look less like they belong in the White House? Ah my my my....Oboma was given up Bin Laden for a reason...the Pakistani's played their chit...now what...well, my suspicion would be that Oboma is now going to be uncovered completely for who he is not; found to have manipulated and transmogrified all about him and his life into some form of biography that gave him access, as long as you didn't look too close or ask too many questions or God Forbid in contemporary America, ask him to PROVE anything with Original, not "COPY" documents. Ah yes, his face was looking pretty peaked in that photo of him and Hilary and Biden sitting and watching Oboma being taken. He knows. He knows. The game is up. And by the way, the liberal news media is making a point of saying that Oboma was "unarmed." Funny bout that: So was every single beloved person who died on 9-11.  

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:20 | 1239085 Ted Celeste
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I didn't think there could be worse commenters on this site than "shawnlee" or "cheap uggs for sale".  But you, kumquatsunite, have taken the cake!  Congratulations I guess.

Believing OBL died on 5/1/11 is for retardz.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:06 | 1239006 Lucius_Junius_Brutus
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I get the idea of hiding in plain sight, but M Burton forgot to explain how hiding next to retired military officers and only a few miles away from the kakul military academy and the army burnhall college adds to his stealth.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:06 | 1239007 nah
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tHE RaNgERS killed OBl years ago In FaghanisNan... this is a globalist CIA conspiracy against the US military !!!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:10 | 1239025 Vergeltung
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comments might as well be disabled for every OBL post. what a bunch of "he's been dead for years" morons.

drooling idiots, the lot of them.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:35 | 1239797 Josh Randall
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You're a D'BAG -- go away Sock Puppet -- if you can't see this is a rigged situation, you're dumber than your SS looking symbol looks

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:18 | 1239079 JR
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Could someone say why Tyler continues to use George Friedman’s Stratfor site as a source for Islamic material? The neocon Friedman has been biased in favor of pro-war messages and it’s difficult for me to trust Stratfor reports.

Now, the neocons are switching the Nazi danger of Osama bin Laden to the new enemy, the entire nation of Pakistan.  And the musings of how could Osama be residing there without Pakistan’s knowledge are the new anti-Islam messages.  Already, some neocons are beginning to hint America should invade Pakistan on the suspicion it was aware of bin Laden and constitutes a major threat to Israel’s security, according to Eric Margolis.

Senator Joe Lieberman is on the record as saying Iran is not Israel’s biggest strategic threat, but it is Afghanistan and Pakistan.  And Stratfor’s Friedman has been suggesting that a winning strategy for Obama’s reelection would be to invade Iran; will he now switch to suggesting an invasion of Pakistan?

Senator Carl Levin already wonders if the blood money being paid to Pakistan (perhaps as much as $3 billion a year) entitles the U.S. to get answers to the Osama-living-among-them questions.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:32 | 1239165 Lucius_Junius_Brutus
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It would be a terrible diplomatic move, Pakistan has been an US ally since the very beggining of the "war" on terror, make a move on them now while they're still coping with US drone killing civilians on the Af/Pak border would never be understood by the international community and would be seen has it is: an outright act of agression not defence. Not to mention that Pakistan has nuclears bombs, while their delivery system is rudimentary (aircraft delivery, no ICBMs) it would be quite enough to wipe out the nearest  US bases in the region in a matter of hours.

I suppose this rethoric will be used for political purpose  internaly, for creating a new ennemy maybe, but I see very little to be gainned from such a move, actually it might very well be their very last military fumble if they decide to act on it.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:50 | 1239201 hardcleareye
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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:49 | 1239261 hardcleareye
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If we declare war on Pakistan and invade, can they use their nuclear arsenal on us  and our allies in "self defense"?

<the above comment is intended to be sarcastic in nature>

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:22 | 1239083 blindman
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Stratfor Vice President of Intelligence Fred Burton is an idiot
and wouldn't recognize intelligence if it ripped off his legs.
he is the barney fife of mainstream intelligence, oxymoron intended.
i'm sure he is a good and gentle man but his business is not
intelligence it is disinformation. "above the tear line", pompous ass
productions i say. and a disservice to his community, those interested
in something other than disinformation. tyler/s must have posted this
for a laugh. stirring the damn pot i bet.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 14:18 | 1239448 slewie the pi-rat
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when i saw fred burton, i grokked tyler and the stratfor dynamic.  tyler is trying to sell them the psychic aid of the zH posters, aka "the kreskin immune syndrome" plus that is a fuking amazing shirt, tie, and haircut combo.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:26 | 1239105 Dimeboy
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10 year anniversary of 9-11 coming up this year.  TPTB needed to bring some closure by opening the freezer!  Obama needs a miracle and so does the USD so they came up with one.

Timing is everything...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 14:26 | 1239480 That Peak Oil Guy
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And of course, if true, the Repubs could never say anything about it since they were the ones who put him on ice.  That would be some delicious irony, using the Repubs own weapon against them.

TPOG

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:33 | 1239167 ThisIsBob
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All this choppering and shots heard going on for 40 minutes in an upscale residential area near the military academy.  What happened to the local fuzz? 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:33 | 1239172 MolotovCockhead
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First they brought down the World Trade Centre including building7 freefall style, then they strap the citizens with patriot acts. Next they implode the economy and now they throw you the imaginary bogeyman after 10 years!! This is the ultimate insult any government could throw at it's people!!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:41 | 1239177 slewie the pi-rat
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this was the safe house with the peepholes from the service halls into the bathrooms and harem, right? 

no bedbugs, tho!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 13:44 | 1239230 Golden1182
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When was the last confirmed OBL video tape release?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 14:29 | 1239502 Dr. Porkchop
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They found him asleep on the couch with CNBC on the TV and his hand in a bag of cheez doodles.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:05 | 1239668 Midwest Prepper
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I find it puzzling how we would chopper into another country and stage a shootup, right near a military installation, and not be afraid that our boys would get shot by the Pakistani Army just down the road.  Leon Panetta's answer to this in his interview was less than convincing... Something is not right... But aside from that tidbit, the whole entire thing sounds perfectly believable! Yippee!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:18 | 1239722 Dr. Porkchop
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If it went down, it went down with the agreement of the Pakistani government. The US would have come in and said, let us have him or your aid dries up. A simple payoff. The question is; why didn't they do it ten years, several trillion dollars and thousands of lives ago? Well I guess the wars had nothing to do with bin Laden or 9/11. They could have paid off the Taliban to nab him, and left Afghanistan to its fate, which would have been the wise choice.

People who are angry or confused about giving aid to a country that supports or harbors 'the enemy' don't understand the complications of geo politics, or the history of US foreign policy.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:15 | 1239713 Yen Cross
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If this person(Fred Burton) thinks for one minute I believe his B.S. , he is sorely spoken!

 

 Erecting a fortress with 3m walls is a dead give away. The Paki Liars knew exactly where he was, and used the guise, of the training center next door to authenticate it. Who needs children and pets as an early warning call, when you have the Paki Liars next door?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:18 | 1239728 lindaamick
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Unbelievable.  10 years.  $1Trillion per year spent on military/security and the US

can't find this guy?

Yeah. Right. 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:28 | 1239775 Dimeboy
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I think that was my point - they had to come up with him soon - they need an exit strategy (/ debt strategy / re-election strategy / dollar recovery strategy. etc.)

This whopper fits the bill, almost as big as the first whopper 10 years ago that got them in.

I wonder if they'll produce a copy of death certificate.....

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 15:59 | 1239880 flacorps
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Let's use Occam's razor here. The target moves around a lot for a while, then settles into one spot. The intelligence you have on the couriers is sketchy, and it's a long time before you can get a visual on one while (or just after) he makes a phone call. Then you start tracking, and eventually you find a walled compound. The neighborhood knows some people live there, but they don't know EVERYONE who lives in there (think about all those stories where someone's living in the basement, attic, closet, etc.--think about Jews being hidden in the Holocaust).

You fly in, make some kills and grabs, and fly out. The family members who were left behind corroborate the gist of the story.

Yes, there are questions that remain unanswered, but they are small in relation to the overall cohesiveness of the story.

We got him. Plain and simple. I'm no Obama fan, but I give props to him for the decisions he made regarding the op. It worked.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:04 | 1239891 TSA gropee
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Timing as they say is everything, and it's all just too flippin' convenient and pretty.

Bullshit meter pegged at uber mega BS.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:16 | 1239969 zerozulu
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 Another Jessica Lynch moment. Only a fool will believe this one. Midnight in a quite sleepy town. Two very noise apache helicopters hovering above. One crashed among houses another has it engine running full throttle. 1500 feet away from army Garrison for forty minutes and no one noticed. Any human with IQ50 or above can figure out this is all Drama with the help of Army and police.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:08 | 1240240 Gooserooster
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This has got to be the most ridiculous video I've ever seen. 

 

So let me get this straight...he's made the shocking discovery that the fact that Osama's safe house was compromised, and his currier was compromised, that led to Osama being found and killed...Really?  You don't say.

 

Here I thought his demise resulted from Qadaffi's whereabouts being discovered.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:54 | 1240564 Byronio
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Stratfor = ZioCon AgitProp

Abbottabad is 1750 km from the coast then back round trip of 3500 km

Just to dump at sea, in violation of Islamic protocol.

Remember them showing off Saddam's dead sons? In a nation that was VERY fragile no consideration there for "Islam"

The staged demonstrations in front of White House even before Obama spoke Sunday night.

This is straight out of the Soviet playbook, which suits Obama's backers.

 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:38 | 1240812 mkkby
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This must be how our grandparents felt after defeating Germany and Japan.  I feel a sense of pride and accomplishment.  America is great again.  We can all go hug our neighbors and forgive Bennie and the Bankers. /sarcasm off

What I'd like to know is who's the next bogey man?  TPTB need a scary enemy to maintain the high military budget and short cuts around the constitution.  Canada looks tempting.  They are right on our border, and at least one of them must be a french speaking muslim.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:10 | 1241485 weyes1
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Unfortunately, we gave up our Bomarcs by 1971. There went the great Canadian nuclear deterrent. We've been waiting fearfully ever since for someone like you to speak up. God help us.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:34 | 1242013 Dr. Porkchop
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We're a country with oil and no nukes... prime meat.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 07:12 | 1242309 Youri Carma
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This guy is a hack! Cut the BS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r2ySEWeU5o

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