Stratfor Asks What Happened To The American Declaration of War?

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Tue, 03/29/2011 - 07:39 | 1112021 bob_dabolina
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The American declaration of war went down the same shit tubes the US constitution went albeit on a different flush.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 07:59 | 1112036 Harlequin001
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Not sure you need to appropriate for war any more, which makes congress largely moot...

So, if you don't need to appropriate for war, you don't need to appropriate for domestic spending and you've delegated your ability to print money to the banks, seems to me that US politicians have a very easy life...

So if congress's only reason to exist is to transfer the rights of the many to the few and to 'look busy', because that's what an easy life is, what's the point is US democracy?

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 11:05 | 1112770 TuffsNotEnuff
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The Empire is running at $ 1,219,000,000,000-a-year. Military-plus-spying.

Do a traditional Zero Based Budget process on what the U.S. needs for military-plus-spying and the justification totes out around $ 400-billion. That's allowing for global presense and enough firepower to support the likes of Libya and the Drug War in Afghanistan. ("Heroin drought" doing the clamp down in Europe/Russia and the U.S. these days.)

The Overhead Industry.

And this twit thinks that killing Flight_103_Gaddafi on the 90-day emergency authorization is a big deal ??? I can't tell whether he's a PC_tool or a Cheney_sucker.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 11:53 | 1112997 traderjoe
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+1

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 07:47 | 1112039 Sudden Debt
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WOW!!! It only took you 4 minutes to read the entire article and post a comment!

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 08:20 | 1112108 bob_dabolina
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Wow. I never said I read the article.

I was commenting on the title.

The US constitution (rule of law) is not followed/enforced by our governing officials anymore. They have even stated they don't even consider it anymore while making law. That's really what I was commenting on.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 08:20 | 1112113 Harlequin001
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and that was about all there was to it anyway...

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:39 | 1112354 Arthor Bearing
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Hahaha SD.

Gotta love the "Oh shit an article just got posted" quick-comment. Can't say I've never done it. But really it would be more honest for the commenter to just say "first" like the whoring bastard he is :)

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:01 | 1112449 TwoShortPlanks
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Turd 2.0

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:38 | 1112661 In Fed We Trust
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Would Julian Assange please send over the next "punch list" for the globalists please.

It seems the plan is working much faster than we anticpated and we figured we mighth as well use the momentum to take advantage.

Thanks again Facebook and Google(Cia) for bringing the world together.

Just like the At&t commercial, "Reach out and touch somebody."

And Julian, dont forget we have rehersals next week, for your court appearence in the states. 

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 08:01 | 1112072 Just Observing
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Yep....started almost as soon as the ink dried on it, accelerated in 1860-65, and today, barely a hollow shell of the dusty document remains.

Joni Mitchell sang it best "Don't it always seem as though, you don't know what you've got til it's gone...."

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 11:21 | 1112849 SilverTech
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"Had Bush requested a declaration of war on al Qaeda on Sept. 12, 2001"

Wow, that would have been really Orwellian. Declare war on a mythical organization for a crime that they have never been convicted of committing.

Anyone who thinks al Qaeda exists should watch the following.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mztfFdpd1Rk

al Qaeda is an American invention, like tv and the atom bomb.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 12:19 | 1113110 ebworthen
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Exactly.

Constitution was flushed by Supine Court so municipalities can confiscate your home or other property to simply increase tax revenues.

Constitution flushed by Supine's again to sanction corporate and union campaign contributions (vote buying).

Congress?  Declaration of War? Hah!  The military-industrial complex needs no approval for blowing a munitions wad and increasing production demand.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 07:39 | 1112025 YouBetYourLife
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Yes, the title is Commander-in-Chief, not King or Emperor.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 07:43 | 1112034 Gully Foyle
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YouBetYourLife

I much prefer the Benevolent Monarch myself. At least you know where you stand unlike the pretend "freedom" we know and love.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 07:49 | 1112043 Harlequin001
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Yes at least a monarch had some incentive to leave something behind for his successor.

Politicians evidently don't... because it's always someone else's fault anyway.

Patriotism or should I say the long term benefit of a country has now been reduced to little more than a blame game...

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 07:56 | 1112055 Golden monkey
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I don't think we should blame anybody. Better remain silent, like most dumb sheeple.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:49 | 1112334 hedgeless_horseman
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Tyler should definitely stop posting this "political stuff" on his financial forum, otherwise Mr. Anonymous and Chet might get angry again thinking about the good old days when we had something that at least resembled a market. 

by Mr. Anonymous
on Mon, 03/28/2011 - 16:16
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What does this have to do with today's market action?  Take your fucktard political shite somewhere else.

 

by chet
on Mon, 03/28/2011 - 17:59
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For the record, I agree with you Mr. Anon.  There is a lot of hijacking the comment thread with politics around here. 

PS:  GM is down again!  GM really does suck.  Ultimate support is zero, AGAIN.  You are welcome, cdad.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:58 | 1112740 Clampit
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Yes, if only our financial system were separate from the state...

What I'd like to know is what name do I write in for the market anarchy approach?

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 11:17 | 1112839 animalspirit
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Just write: "bitcoin"

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 11:35 | 1112920 Golden monkey
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It's a very sad thing that overweight pigs like you performed computers intrusion/unauthorized access.

Maybe some sucks, but how come she doesn't anymore?

There's no need for us to tell you to go fuck yourself; cause the grand jury will.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 11:58 | 1113014 Clampit
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In parsing your Engrish I do see at least one correct assertation; "There's no need for [you]...", well said.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 12:05 | 1113055 Diogenes
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Or as Louis XIV put it "apres moi, le deluge" or "after me, the shit hits the fan". It is hard to find an example of a king who cared what happened after he died, and in most cases they did whatever the hell they felt like even if it screwed the country while they were alive.

Prime example is King Charles while at war with Holland, taking the Navy appropriations and blowing the money on clothes, jewelry, liquor and whores. Finally Parliament took away his authority to spend money.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 12:47 | 1113223 Natasha Fatale
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ObaMao is a modern-day Leviathan (à la Thomas Hobbes) saving us from ourselves. Without him, the life of man would be "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short".

<sarcasm>

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 11:27 | 1112890 TuffsNotEnuff
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King Obama. Just like "King Lincoln."

John Wilkes Boothe drank himself into a frenzy over that one.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 07:40 | 1112033 Gully Foyle
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Was there a Declaration of War for Iraq? I know IWR pissed people off because Congress essentially gave up the power to declare war.

Which is kind of silly, power to declare war, sounds like a card game statement.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 07:49 | 1112048 YouBetYourLife
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Congress was consulted, in advance, which passed a joint resolution (Public Law 107-243) which authorized President Bush to use the U.S. armed forces "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" in order to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."

The military action was authorized by Congress. That's the constitutional requirement.   

 

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 08:08 | 1112078 Harlequin001
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Does it not strike you as somewhat strange that all these terrorists seem to come from oil producing states thus requiring invasion and liberation?

I mean how many knife wielding, gun totting bomb chuckers come from North Korea for example?

Just asking, perhaps it's just me...

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 08:29 | 1112128 Dapper Dan
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** WARNING**   Please prepare your self for the worlds longest sentence.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:46 | 1112390 Arthor Bearing
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Yemen wants democracy so they started drilling for oil. "Obama! We have oil! Now tell them to stop slaughtering us!"

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:51 | 1112708 Yardfarmer
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these links might provide an answer to those troubling questions.http://kushmonster.blogspot.com/2011/03/interview-with-libyan-rebel-commander.html

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 08:09 | 1112084 Gully Foyle
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YouBetYourLife

http://www.albionmonitor.com/0402a/iraqwarunconstitutional.html

It is time to set the record straight. The United States Congress never voted for the Iraq war. Rather, Congress voted for a resolution in October 2002 which unlawfully transferred to the president the decision-making power of whether to launch a first-strike invasion of Iraq. The United States Constitution vests the awesome power of deciding whether to send the nation into war solely in the United States Congress. Those members of Congress -- including certain Democratic presidential candidates -- who voted for that October resolution cannot now claim that they were deceived, as some of them do. By unlawfully ceding the war-declaring power to the president, they allowed the president to start a war against Iraq based on whatever evidence or whatever lies he chose. The members of Congress who voted for that October resolution are as complicit in this illegal war as is the president himself. Imagine this: The United States Congress passes a resolution which states: "The President is authorized to levy an income tax on the people of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to pay for subsidies to U.S. oil companies." No amount of legal wrangling could make such a resolution constitutional. Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution grants the power to levy taxes exclusively to the United States Congress. Now let us turn to reality. In October 2002, Congress passed a resolution which stated: "The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to 1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and 2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq." As he determines to be necessary and appropriate. Congress cannot transfer to the president its exclusive power to declare war any more than it can transfer its exclusive power to levy taxes. Such a transfer is illegal. These are non-delegable powers held only by the United States Congress. In drafting the War Powers Clause of Article I, Section 8, the framers of the Constitution set out to create a nation that would be nothing like the model established by European monarchies. They knew the dangers of empowering a single individual to decide whether to send the nation into war. They had sought to make a clean break from the kings and queens of Europe, those rulers who could, of their own accord, send their subjects into battle. That is why the framers wisely decided that only the people, through their elected representatives in Congress, should be entrusted with the power to start a war. The wars of kings and queens of Europe had brought not only havoc and destruction to the lives of those forced into battle and those left to suffer their loss. They had also brought poverty. They were stark symbols that the subjects living under such monarchies lacked any voice or any control over their destiny. The War Powers Clause of the Constitution emerged from that collective memory: "Congress shall have power...To declare war... " No other language in the Constitution is as simple and clear. Thomas Jefferson called it "an effectual check to the Dog of war." George Mason said that he was "for clogging rather than facilitating war." James Wilson stated: "This system will not hurry us into war; it is calculated to guard against it. It will not be in the power of a single man, or a single body of men, to involve us in such distress; for the important power of declaring war is vested in the legislature at large." Several years after the adoption of the Constitution, James Madison would write: "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war and peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." Some might ask how George W. Bush's war against Iraq is different from other U.S wars. Congress has not declared war since World War II. While some of the U.S. military actions since that time have received the equivalent of a congressional declaration, others have not. There have been other violations of the War Powers Clause of the Constitution. But today we face an extraordinary moment in United States history. The president of the United States launched a premeditated, first-strike invasion of another country, the likes of which this nation has never before seen. This massive military operation sought to conquer and occupy Iraq for an indefinite period of time. This was not a random act of raw power. It was the first salvo of a new and dangerous U.S. doctrine, a doctrine which advocates the unprovoked invasion and occupation of sovereign nations. This new doctrine threatens to destabilize the world, creating a new world order of chaos and lawlessness. Now more than ever, the Constitution and the rule of law must apply. And, now more than ever, the truth must be told. The first lie about the Iraq war was not that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or ties to Al Qaeda. The first lie told to the American people is that Congress voted for this war. In the midst of the rushed congressional debate in October 2002, U.S. Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-W. Virginia) warned that the resolution under consideration was unconstitutional. "We are handing this over to the President of the United States," Byrd said. "When we do that, we can put up a sign on the top of this Capitol, and we can say: 'Gone home. Gone fishing. Out of business.'" Byrd added: "I never thought I would see the day in these forty-four years I have been in this body... when we would cede this kind of power to any president." The Iraq war is in direct violation of the United States Constitution. The president and the members of Congress who voted for that October resolution should be held accountable for sending this nation into an illegal war.
Tue, 03/29/2011 - 08:13 | 1112092 Harlequin001
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fuck me that's a big one, as the actress said to the bishop...

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 08:12 | 1112093 jimijon
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Paragraphs exist for a reason.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 08:19 | 1112107 Harlequin001
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Yes Gully, good effort but I get about a third of the way down and keep reading the same line again and again and again and well.. I'm off for a cup of tea...

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 07:45 | 1112035 Oh regional Indian
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Perhaps it will be good to see and decide for yourself the truth of otherwise of Trafficant's speech on the floor?

The US is the ultimate Chimera in it's current state. A blood (for Oil)-sucking vampire of a nation-state, lawless to the outside and a law unto itself within.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/truth-about-america-truth-about-us/

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 07:51 | 1112049 ReeferMac
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We got the UN. Don't need no stinkin Congress...

Phhhtttbbbttt!!!

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 08:00 | 1112064 Careless Whisper
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i didnt vote for anyone at the UN. why are we taking orders from them?

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 08:09 | 1112086 Harlequin001
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I didn't vote for anyone in the US but they still fucked up our banks...

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 08:14 | 1112098 cossack55
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If you voted for a piece of shit dem or piece of shit repub, you voted for the UN, baby. Get used to it.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 08:50 | 1112176 X. Kurt OSis
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Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

A bunch of Americans (myself included) sitting around complaining about American bloodlust is an absurdity. We are all complicit in this. The language of the constitution is irrelevant. Whether or not millitary actions of the post WWII variety are properly authorized by a document written hundreds of years ago is not the question we should be asking. We should be asking whether that document should be abandoned all together if any mechanism exists to authorize imperial wars waged on the lesser humans our government designates.

We sit here and debate while the greatest killing machine in human history is unleashed at will. Our wealth is stolen and handed to TBTF's and our votes our thrown in the garbage.

Keep voting for change, everyone. I'm sure we'll get it someday.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 09:41 | 1112370 Harlequin001
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cynic...

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 11:42 | 1112951 X. Kurt OSis
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Not a cynic, just a realist.  I don't vote anymore.  There is too much blood on my hands to operate the lever.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:53 | 1112716 In Fed We Trust
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Birth Certificate.

Constitution.

It's just a piece of paper. Soon all will be electronic, and there, data could be "changed" of the fly to fit the new situation. 

Paper records just make it more difficult to change things. 

As soon as it all goes electronic, they will probably even change our name from USA, tothe  United Corporations of the America.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 10:49 | 1112697 In Fed We Trust
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Forget about Congress! Is there anyone in the military, with at least half a brain, and with the will power to overcome, their progandist education at West point, that has the balls to come forward and handle situation on their own?

Where are you Bruce Willis or Tom Cruise when we need you the most?

Is the Air Force even allowed to view Zerohedge?  I knew they blocked their network from the Wikileaks, ironic, seeing how Wikileaks is a CIA funded, propaganda shop. Guess you dont want the master plan to back fire because you had one airforce pilot gone renegade suicide style on the WH. 

Really, does anyone know some one in the Airforce we could chat with, bring some clarity too?

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 12:56 | 1113256 Ace Ventura
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Fifty years ago, perhaps. Today's military leadership consists of a gaggle of Washington Cocktail Circuit military careerist insiders, fluent in Powerpoint and skilled at attending multitudes of 'defense symposiums/conferences' at major resorts around the world.

Many have political amibitions beyond their military careers, which is why they are the ones usually promoted to the highest levels in the chain of command. If someone becomes an outspoken critic, or worse, refuses to tote the line regarding our various 'recreational military operations' around the world...they are summarily reassigned to a position where they will have no real influence whatsoever, until they are forced into quiet retirement.

So no, to answer your question, there are no members of current military leadership with the stones to do what is right. Those that know better will remain silent and just do their time until retirement.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 07:52 | 1112052 Cloud9.5
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Congress is rife with moral turpitude. It is motivated by the base instincts of a common street walker.  It has abdicated responsibility at every turn.  It will not make the hard decisions.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 07:55 | 1112057 Gene Parmesan
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And?

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 08:54 | 1112184 Manthong
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Thank God we’ve got the France and the UN to fill the void.

We need an effective no-fly zone. It worked so well for throughout the 1990’s in Iraq and solved the Saddam Hussein problem for us.

Wait! I’ve got it! We can establish a program to make sure that hungry Libyans and impoverished UN officials get what they need. We can call it “Oil For Food”.

It’s a slam dunk to get oil back to $80 a barrel and restore manageable corruption to the region.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 08:54 | 1112187 Manthong
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Thank God we’ve got the France and the UN to fill the void.

We need an effective no-fly zone. It worked so well for throughout the 1990’s in Iraq and solved the Saddam Hussein problem for us.

Wait! I’ve got it! We can establish a program to make sure that hungry Libyans and impoverished UN officials get what they need. We can call it “Oil For Food”.

It’s a slam dunk to get oil back to $80 a barrel and restore manageable corruption to the region.

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