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Stratfor On The Very Real Obstacles To Libyan Ceasfire Rumors (Which Gave Goldman A Crude Entry Point)

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Mon, 04/11/2011 - 17:30 | 1159172 Long-John-Silver
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Another war in a divided country like Vietnam before we lost that one. Just how stupid can these people be?

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:41 | 1159647 taxpayer102
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58,000 U.S. troops killed in Vietnam and the 1973 War Powers Act, conveniently forgotten by the Obama administration, Stratfor and the Pentagon.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 17:32 | 1159180 RobotTrader
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Crude longs were smoked today.

It is going to take a couple more days of selling to cull the herd before Goldman starts dipping their toes in the water.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:28 | 1159400 spiral_eyes
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read them like a book. as soon as the fuckheads on cnbc talk about commodities turning a bearish corner we know goldman will be buying the dip.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 17:36 | 1159184 ZackAttack
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$700m per week for US airstrikes.

Because, you know, *so many* dictators have been bombed out of office.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 21:54 | 1160030 dark pools of soros
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good for the economy..  rotating stock!!

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 22:45 | 1160226 Myzery
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$700mm a week in airstrikes


111mm taxpayers


$6.36 a week.

You probably save about that at the pump. 


Mon, 04/11/2011 - 17:37 | 1159190 Muir
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"who do you think was on the other side of the trade?"


Mon, 04/11/2011 - 17:50 | 1159234 dogismyth
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yes...link please?  Take a look at DTO.  I think GS staged the recent upswing in oil based on bullshit propaganda pieces printed last week on the web.  There has never been a inverse V-shape decline in oil and that's what this will be if it continues downward...which I believe it will.  I think most of the sell-off occurred in the past two to three weeks when the heated news of LIbya hit the wire.  Take a look at volume on USO and UCO (on the daily and 60-min).  That's some mega volume!  Now take a look at DTO.  How convenient huh?  It trades 600k shares (65-day avg).  This is just another blatant example of insider buying/selling that occurs without repercussions in our market.  Yeah, I know it happens every day....

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:13 | 1159340 Muir
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Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:31 | 1159408 gordengeko
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Agree 100%!

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:11 | 1161036 Bob Paulson
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sure oil might go down in the short term, but when the drama hits saudi arabia, you'll be wishing you held onto your longs.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 17:38 | 1159192 That Peak Oil Guy
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Follow the oil.  There will only be a cease-fire if there is outside access to the oil and the investments of western companies are secure.


Mon, 04/11/2011 - 17:41 | 1159198 SDRII
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The bigger game here is the US payback for UK/Italy supporting Afghan. Given all the bravado out of the UK/France and Italy  - none can afford to actually admit they are limp despite outward realities. The Germans are content do do business (BASF fields) however. France is trying to make up for lost time in Algeria. Italy's PM would rather headlines about Libya than Morrocco. And the UK in post lockerbie guilt is trying to secure its hard won fields.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 17:40 | 1159200 Eireann go Brach
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I am still surprised that no one from the public has ever taken a bat or any sharp object they have in their possession to Lloyd Blankfein and just smashed it over his head!

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 17:45 | 1159209 NOTW777
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so the goldman needs silver and oil

good thing they dont have chase or wait like normal market participants

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 17:59 | 1159275 dogismyth
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do we really believe that GS is late to the game on oil or PM?  Are you kidding me!  They are the game.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:20 | 1159363 NOTW777
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I would not say late on oil but I think the commodities have gotten away on the big banks. also the gov might want to tamp down $5 gas.  if not GS on silver, maybe a client or another bank.

also - because they can

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:22 | 1159376 NOTW777
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also you think GS and JP gamed obama charging into libya?

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 17:54 | 1159258 ZeroPower
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Didn't GS sell their long crude exposure last week, thus confirming they got out near the top? At least intermediate-term top anyway..

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:23 | 1159371 gordengeko
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"Spotlight on Speculators If Oil Price Still Moves Up" dated 4-4-10

"Well, with Cushing inventories at record highs, literally bursting at the seams (see charts below), and only going to get worse over the next two weeks, and given the fact that the WTI contract is deliverable at the Cushing hub, we will finally test whether that hypothesis is true."

You can bet your ass they did!  Thank you Zero hedge for posting this article last week btw.  I closed out a double short and went double long and caught the quick spike up Friday for a quick 1 day 5%, thanks probably to GS.  Chart is screaming short-term top and with the analysis of the front month rollover on the contracts the fundamentals back it up.  Propaganda bullshit by MSM AGAIN on the oil news last thursday causing the spike.  How about an inquiry just to sooth us over and see if GS played this little top the last 2 days???


Mon, 04/11/2011 - 22:52 | 1160277 Myzery
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I thought all the buildup would have kept it more tame last week.


Tough to say what seasonal effects in the US are gonna have.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:59 | 1159691 Arkadaba
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Well if you got decent financial news you would know - who do you subscribe to?


Mon, 04/11/2011 - 21:01 | 1159895 gordengeko
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First reuters on 4-6 7:55pm "Libya says NATO air strike hits major oilfield" http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/06/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110406

Then reuters on 4-7 8:31am "Gaddafi forces to blame for oilfield fire" http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110407/wl_nm/us_libya_nato_1

Then today's ceasefire talks obviously having an affect on oil prices.

Just saying, with the fundamentals and technicals saying crude is overpriced then this news of someone bombing oilfields spikes up oil 108-113 back to 108 in a little over 1 trading day??? That's a pretty major move based on speculation just a few hours after the news broke. It wasn't until they adjusted their story and said Gaddafi did it, that was a full 15 hours after the news first broke did oil finally breakout.  Now whether there is a conspiracy who the fuck knows, it just seems fishy to me and it only raised questions because I was in the short at the time for a good reason.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:02 | 1159300 JR
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Yes, an analysis behind the headlines is needed. But does ZH owe Stratfor, aka George Friedman, money or is this neocon a brother-in-law to one of our Tylers?

This analysis, like most of Stratfor’s pro-war essays… is vintage neocon rhetoric.

Yes, it’s true that Israel is feeling mighty vulnerable with its former mentor in the Arab Club – Egypt – approaching free elections, and its former best Muslim friend – Turkey – getting cooler by the day.

But please, ZH, find us a Middle East source we can trust.  It’s not “rah-rah-Iraq War” Stratfor – whose operative Friedman has called for Obama to bomb Iran before the 2012 election.

As Justin Raimondo of Antiwar.com said April 8 in Unholy Alliance: Neocons and "progressives" -- united at last over Libya, war powers, and the Constitution :

"[W]artime, for a neocon, is the equivalent of a church service. You don’t make a ruckus in church, especially at the very moment when the sacrament is being offered up by the high priests of the war god. A holy silence must be maintained until the ritual is completed: and even then, you risk being labeled a heretic, or even a 'crackpot.'”

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:23 | 1159368 NOTW777
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isnt it time for a new soros color book with some new key cliches and phrases to repeat over and over; ur talking "neocon" and war and YOUR president is lighting up the skys and asking for the debt ceiling to be lifted

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 20:44 | 1159855 hardcleareye
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Good number of "Credit Card Conservatives" voted for the lifting of that debt ceiling!  (I get my tax cuts you get your benefits, quid pro quo)  Lets face it the budget vote and the script acted out by the Washington Circle (all parties involved) sould be nominated for a Emmy Award, they didn't accomplish anything expect dig the hole deeper.  

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:08 | 1159532 nmewn
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"But please, ZH, find us a Middle East source we can trust."

Well, therein lies the problem.

When the practice of the culture is taqiyya & kitman (lying to infidels to further an agenda) it's kinda hard to pin it all down ;-) 

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:24 | 1159377 RobotTrader
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If Muammar Quaddafi is captured, oil will crash by $20/bbl.

Retail and airline stocks will rocket up.

Be ready.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:30 | 1159410 falak pema
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He'll be caught the same day as Ben Laden. The way things are going he should be showing his nose in Benghazi soon. So oil won't go to 20$.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:35 | 1159628 NOTW777
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the day obama took office bin laden was deemed no longer important along with deficits and body counts

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 22:00 | 1160042 dark pools of soros
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He just got a new assignment..  helping the rebels in Libya


Osama probably never missed a CFR meeting



Mon, 04/11/2011 - 20:38 | 1159828 New_Meat
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Ben b doin' the FRB thingie--he's too busy to go to Benghazi.  don't cha' know. - Ned

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:51 | 1159477 dogismyth
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my read is that it doesn;t matter if they kill Gaddafi or capture him...there are plenty of loyalists that will carry on even in his absence.  Also, removing Gaddafi may create a prolonged intervention with NATO which is a negative on all fronts.  If I was part of this evil game, I would say find a cease-fire agreement and let everyone relax before setting up the next stage of dissent and/or assassination of Gaddafi.  Either way, I'm sure the scum Goldman Sachs knows exactly how it'll play out. 

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:26 | 1159391 KickIce
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A clear example of what I call abusive owner / puppy syndrome.

First, the owner calls and the puppy runs immediately to him and gets smacked on the nose.  I little latter, the owner calls again.  This time the puppy is a little more reluctant but again comes to the owner and is soon rewarded with another smack on the nose.  The process continues, with each time the puppy a little more timid but each time with the same result.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 20:37 | 1159832 New_Meat
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so you are in a committed relationship? ;-) - Ned

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:33 | 1159413 mogul rider
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Think like an oily squid and you'll be just fine.

Or maybe more like a vampire cuttlefish

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:31 | 1159419 Downtoolong
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Following the closing of Goldman's Top trade of 2011 which told GS clients to sell Crude, Copper, Cotton and Platinum who do you think was on the other side of the trade?

Hilarious. Beware acting on someone’s investment advice only to find out that your trading counterparty is them. Bastards.



Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:39 | 1159444 falak pema
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That's why we call them the TENTACULAR squid.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:32 | 1159420 apberusdisvet
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Oil will drop to $70 the summer before Obama's re-election; the most compliant puppet ever will be supported.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:59 | 1159504 CrashisOptimistic
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That would require demand destruction.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:39 | 1159440 falak pema
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Soon when the EU cohesion tears apart, as political will to handle the war effort weakens and ancillary  illegal immigrants spin-off fuels the current bickering going on...Turkey will in charge more and more of the Libyan scene. As USA will have other issues to address : namely Saudi and Iran.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:40 | 1159441 bugs_
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ba ba ba boooots on THE GROUND!!! BooYAH!!!

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 18:58 | 1159508 Rodent Freikorps
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Pork bellies did well.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:12 | 1159547 Janeroo
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From Wiki...

BP Production Sharing Agreement

On May 29, 2007, during a visit to Muammar al-Gaddafi by British Prime Minister Tony Blair, British Petroleum (BP) signed a $900 million exploration and production agreement with the Libyan National Oil Company. The agreement, which will likely involve an estimated USD $2 billion in investment, covers three massive, largely unexplored tracts. The NOC signed the agreement with the LIA as BP’s 15% partner in a production sharing agreement (PSA).

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 22:56 | 1160290 Myzery
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any sources on various Oil Companies production or assets by country?


Clearly TOT and ENI are interested....

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:26 | 1159596 fellatio is not...
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I read the article and listened to the link, I am at a loss to see where you can say GS is on the other side and going long crude?  Is there a paragraph or something I missed that shows they are?  Thanks

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:34 | 1159619 PulauHantu29
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More then ever, it's time to BTFD!


Mon, 04/11/2011 - 19:46 | 1159661 JR
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Perhaps George Friedman can give us the neocon view on this one:

The LRC Blog

Orthodox Jewish Women Banned From Wearing Wigs in France

Posted by David Kramer on April 11, 2011 02:24 PM

Because the French government, in its infinite ignorance, has decided that it is a form of slavery for Orthodox Jewish women to be forced to wear wigs (called sheitels), the government has banned this practice.

Oh…wait a minute…the French government hasn’t banned Orthodox Jewish women from wearing sheitels because they are considered a form of slavery. The French government has banned Muslim women from wearing full-face veils in public because the French government—aka slave masters—who obviously own these women’s bodies and, therefore, can tell them what they can put on them, has deemed the wearing of such veils a form of slavery. Two women who were participating in a protest of this Hitlerian law have already been arrested. (Perhaps the government should suggest that, rather than wearing the veils, the Muslim women should wear badges on their arm sleeves depicting the Muslim symbol of a yellow crescent with an embedded yellow star in order to show their religion?)

By the way, I’m sure the fact that the man who first suggested the ban, President Sarkozy, is part-Jewish will sit very well with the global Muslim community.

[Thanks to Don Cooper]


Mon, 04/11/2011 - 20:56 | 1159894 nmewn
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I wonder how many buildings will be ransacked and Nordic chicks & Nepalese men will have to die over this one;

"Two anonymous young men in Iran, one Iranian and one Afghan, have burned a Koran in protest."


Oh, wait, they were an Iranian & an Afghan...never mind...won't happen ;-)

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