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Streaming Video From Syntagma Square - First Day Of Greek General Strike
It's time for your daily Syntagma (not to be confused with Stigmata...yet) square live video feed, where things already are starting to have a far more violent tone compared to the primarily peaceful protests so far this year, courtesy of a substantially larger police presence as over 5,000 cops are expected to join the festivities. The protest marks the first day of the previously reported 48 hour general strike which will culminate with tomorrow's decision on the 5 year mid-term austerity plan.
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More details on the strike from Athens News:
The strike is set to disrupt or halt most public services, with doctors, ambulance drivers, journalists and even actors at a state-funded theater joining the protest, which is to continue Wednesday.
Flights will be grounded both days during stoppages by air traffic controllers between 8:00 a.m. and midday and between 6:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. (0500-0900 GMT and 1500-1900 GMT).
The Greek union position on the proposed austerity is not precisely surprising:
Unions are angry at a new €28 billion austerity programme that would slap taxes on minimum wage earners and other struggling Greeks, following months of other cuts that have seen unemployment surge to more than 16 percent.
The package and implementation law must be passed in parliamentary votes this week so the European Union and the International Monetary Fund release the next installment of Greece's €110 bn bailout loan. Without it, Greece faces the prospect next month of becoming the first eurozone country to default on its debts - a potentially disastrous event that could drag down European banks and affect other financially troubled European countries.
"These measures are a massacre for workers' rights. It will truly be hell for the working man. The strike must bring everything to a standstill," said Thanassis Pafilis, a lawmaker with the Greek Communist Party that will lead one of Tuesday's main rallies.
What was surprising was the fact that Greece is now openly leaving the door open for another renegotiation, something the EU will certainly not enjoy:
"I call on Europe, for its part, to give Greece the time and the terms it needs to really pay off its debt, without strangling growth, and without strangling its citizens," he said.
Papandreou's new finance minister, Evangelos Venizelos, said the government acknowledged the new cuts were "unfair." He said Greece wants to conclude negotiations for a second bailout by the end of the summer "at the latest," and he urged opposition parties to abandon their opposition to the austerity programme.
"These measures will take us from running budget deficits to achieving primary surpluses. It's a difficult but necessary step," Venizelos said.
The Socialists, with traditionally strong ties to the striking unions, have struggled to contain a party revolt against austerity.
Papandreou has a majority of five seats in parliament, but at least one Socialist lawmaker has said he will vote against the government on Wednesday, with another dissenter undecided - prompting dire warnings from senior government officials.
We will bring more as the day develops.
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#It's time for your daily Syntagma (not to be confused with Stgimata
and not with StIgmata :)))))))
alx
Stigmata Martyr?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG-iTvxWivw
In a crucifixation ecstasy,
Lying cross chequed in agony.
Stigmata bleed continuously,
Holes in head, hands, feet, and weep for me.
The Cruxshadows - Citadel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn0f4u4klQs
I see storms on the horizon
I see the tempest at the gates
I see storms on the horizon,
and a citadel alone
Clinging brave, defying fate
And I will stand here at the gates to face the onslaught fighting
Without surrender or defeat
With Troy besieged by tyrants' greed - (tyranny)
In Hector's memory, God willing
We shall save this victory
Without surrender or defeat
I found a stigmata on my FRN.
Greek Protests - Streaming Live Video Feeds
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/06/greek-protests.html
+1 Takes me back, Thanks
Stigmata oh you sordid sight
Stigmata in your splintered plight
Look into your crimson orifice
In holy remembrance
In scarlet bliss
Time to turn survivalist. Even our college students, the obama generation are starting to wake up. Slowly... But then we elders haven't been able to control the boat for a while.
http://collegemessiah.blogspot.com/2011/06/live-and-let-die.html
^- a survivalist blog post that inspires me.
Looking for a way to play this austerity? How about Tear gas companies and High Pressure hose companies. I'm thinking with all this austerity this could be HUGE! Think of the contagion and the countries that will be hosing their people down, Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Italy, Spain and eventually the US.
Anyone have any tips in this sector? WOW!
Nice, a view of the USA a few years from now.
Oh Golden One, your time-line may be optimistically off. By a few 10's of weeks.
I think we are looking at months at most. And that is optimistic in my opinion. All the test runs seem to have been completed.
The usurpation of rights goes unpunished daily. Notice the increase in police brutality, the taser deaths.
And perhaps the biggest sign of all that the un-wind is near is the possible de-criminalization of pot (yay! eh?, not really, see what it really means. .gov will control and all those poor pot related jailbirds, who were put in there in the first place due to specious laws, coming out hardened criminals, ready to graduate on their own to "harder" stuff).
And th emid-west is on a hair-trigger. Can you imagine a new madrid quake in the midst of all that si currently going on there?
Why the Afghan pullout? Poppy control is probably almost complete now (not GWB, the other poppy).
And while I'm at it, there is a high probability of severe weather/earth events this week according to Piers Corbyn. He's been spot on so far. What can you do? Nothing of course. But not being Shocked by events leads to calm minds and rational decisions.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/thunder-perfect-mind/
Poppy control is not complete. Soldiers are instructed to not destroy the poppy and marijuana fields, as the Taliban will punish the farmers for their destruction.
Fascinating eh, Putty?
For the in-qureying mind, the world is an open secret.
ORI
I am very worried about the situation in Nebraska with the two nuclear plants and the flooding. This situation could get out of control very easy. If this happens, not sure what this means for the United States. The whole thing with the intense rain in some places and the intense droubt in others and the flooding at the nuclear plants and the comedy of errors comitted by the people who run those plants etc.........it all seems contrived to me.........like watching a movie script unfold before our very eyes.....
Relax HPD. My wife heard last night that the "experts" and government officials said there's nothing to worry about with those nuke plants. So hey, it just has to be 100% safe if we've got those folks saying it's safe just like they did in Japan. Oh wait....
They've got a direct 911 line to TEPCO in case there is a tsunami-cyclone-earthquake-flooding-Obama visit type event. It's covered by the best!
The flooding on the Missouri river is not the result of increased or torrential rainfalls. There was larger than average snowfall, the Corps of Engineers knew about it and could have corrected it well before it became a problem but are being mandated by ecophiles to bring the river back to it's "pristine, natural" state to help endangered species.
Ann Barnhardt has some posts at her place about this in detail, as well as some disclosure on Feds offering to buy flooded farm grounds.
I agree with your script, just not the weather control part. It's much simpler than that, lay Occham on it.
You and ORI are both spot on, the whole breadbasket region is a powder keg right now, flash mobs in Peoria Il? LOL, that's what the movie critics used to gauage by. "Will it play in Peoria". Lose the breadbasket, and you all know the cliche about 3 meals away from ending civilization.
It is my understanding that those sons of bitches had ample time to deal with this flooding issue but chose to try and go the cheap route. I sure hope they did not muck this up. Frankly some very tall and very sturdy earthen berms should be around all of those plants that are in these flood plains like this. now God help us, if that water somehow gets inside of the generator room or whatever. This is why I want a end to this nuclear power madness.
Reports of racist Peoria mob are exaggerated:
http://www.pjstar.com/news/x2069925100/Account-of-racist-Peoria-mob-spur...
says who? The paid shills for the local wannabee mainstream media? The city government, desperate to hold the lid on a boiling kettle a little while longer?
This article stinks of damage control, and poorly executed at that.
Peoria has a large concentration of, shall we say, Flash Mob susceptible denizens
flash mobs have been all the rage in Chicago, a mere hour and half away drive, seconds by texting
gang contacts and affiliations are spread throughout the smaller metro areas throughout Illinois thanks to the johnny appleseed program enacted after the "Good Times" section 8's were demolished in Chicago a few years back. Peoria, Champaign, Bloomington, Joliet, Normal, Rockford, Decatur, Springfield now all seed plots growing nicely.
It's real and will get more real.
don't forget about Wayne and Garth's hood, Aurora!
Good points up thread and here LFMayor. The powderkeg is well stuffed and dry, it's just everythign else that is wet of burnign up! :-)
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/thoughts-and-a-heads-up/
Months at least?
Recently, our good chap Jim Willie did a wonderful job at elucidating the gaggle of swans that are coloring the sky black. Problem is, rather than being an argument for a blow out economic collapse, it rather seems like a distorted reflection of our assumptions.
http://www.kitco.com/ind/willie/jun232011.html
Take a look at this detailed list of breaking points, then ask yourself, how is it actually possible that an implosion hasn't occurred? The very list itself is an argument against an uncontrolled collapse! The answer is that we are not considering the crux and heart of the apex occult system that's in place. Of course there is historical precedent to the direction and destruction of fiat systems, however, there are deeper powers at work this time, and global variables that exist currently that were not existent in prior examples.
3 years since the first controlled detonation. Perhaps there is nothing stopping another 3, 6, 9 years from floating the same way if the PTB desired it to be so. I do doubt it though, as I speculate the original reason for this new and improved fiat system was not just plain usury and control for control and fear sake. It seems the installation of the Fed was timed appropriately to abscond with the worlds labor since 1913, and who's primary goal was to create a safety valve for their 'humanity' to survive the up coming exogenous event (which I'm positive you are aware of).
Yeh , Jim Willie, posting live from Costa Rica.
Et tu Jimmy?
Very interesting HLS. And yes, Exogenous event straightish ahead.
All things considered, I think we are coming to a rather harsh end to illusion.
ORI
have a few nuclear meltdowns like japan and never have to worry about about any kind of land invasion ever again. It's only toxic wasteland.
Sometimes the truth is something you have to look past the surface for.
Ollie North's Fox episode on the efforts to destroy the Taliban's money source of the opium trade, I'm betting accidently, on purpose, showed they did blow up the product, but failed to destroy the field.
Makes you say Hmmmm.
The truth is 'out there'...
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/06/prophetic-writing-is-on-wal...
Nice link Spirit Of Truth....
Don't worry the Israeli trolls always monologue directly underneath in order to break up the thread...
Keep up the good work :) ... they'll be getting theirs shortly.
Rodent Freikorps
How quickly people buy into the new lie.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afgha...
Soviet period (1979–1989)As the Afghan government began to lose control of provinces during the Soviet invasion of 1979-80, warlords flourished and with it opium production as regional commanders searched for ways to generate money to purchase weapons, according to the UN.[6] (At this time the US was pursuing an "arms-length" supporting strategy of the Afghan freedom-fighters or Mujahideen, the main purpose being to cripple the USSR slowly into withdrawal through attrition rather than effect a quick and decisive overthrow.)
As explained by Zbigniew Brzezinski:
It was alleged by the Soviets on multiple occasions that American CIA agents were helping smuggle opium out of Afghanistan, either into the West, in order to raise money for the Afghan resistance or into the Soviet Union in order to weaken it through drug addiction. According to Alfred McCoy, the CIA supported various Afghan drug lords, for instance Gulbuddin Hekmatyar[7][11] and others such as Haji Ayub Afridi.
[edit] Warlord period (1989–1994)When the Soviet Army was forced to withdraw in 1989, a power vacuum was created. Various Mujahideen factions started fighting against each other for power. With the discontinuation of Western support, they resorted ever more to poppy cultivation to finance their military existence.
Rise of the Taliban (1994–2001)During the Taliban rule, Afghanistan saw a bumper opium crop of 4,500 metric tons in 1999,.[12] However, in July 2000, Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, collaborating with the United Nations to eradicate heroin production in Afghanistan, declared that growing poppies was un-Islamic, resulting in one of the world's most successful anti-drug campaigns. As a result of this ban, opium poppy cultivation was reduced by 91% from the previous year's estimate of 82,172 hectares. The ban was so effective that Helmand Province, which had accounted for more than half of this area, recorded no poppy cultivation during the 2001 season.(note this claim has never been verified)[13]
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JKQDnzyo5q8J:opioi...
JALALABAD, Afghanistan (February 15, 2001 8:19 p.m. EST
U.N. drug control officers said the Taliban religious militia has nearly wiped out opium production in Afghanistan -- once the world's largest producer -- since banning poppy cultivation last summer.
A 12-member team from the U.N. Drug Control Program spent two weeks searching most of the nation's largest opium-producing areas and found so few poppies that they do not expect any opium to come out of Afghanistan this year.
"We are not just guessing. We have seen the proof in the fields," said Bernard Frahi, regional director for the U.N. program in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He laid out photographs of vast tracts of land cultivated with wheat alongside pictures of the same fields taken a year earlier -- a sea of blood-red poppies.
A State Department official said Thursday all the information the United States has received so far indicates the poppy crop had decreased, but he did not believe it was eliminated.
Last year, Afghanistan produced nearly 4,000 tons of opium, about 75 percent of the world's supply, U.N. officials said. Opium -- the milky substance drained from the poppy plant -- is converted into heroin and sold in Europe and North America. The 1999 output was a world record for opium production, the United Nations said -- more than all other countries combined, including the "Golden Triangle," where the borders of Thailand, Laos and Myanmar meet.
Mullah Mohammed Omar, the Taliban's supreme leader, banned poppy growing before the November planting season and augmented it with a religious edict making it contrary to the tenets of Islam.
The Taliban, which has imposed a strict brand of Islam in the 95 percent of Afghanistan it controls, has set fire to heroin laboratories and jailed farmers until they agreed to destroy their poppy crops.
The U.N. surveyors, who completed their search this week, crisscrossed Helmand, Kandahar, Urzgan and Nangarhar provinces and parts of two others -- areas responsible for 86 percent of the opium produced in Afghanistan last year, Frahi said in an interview Wednesday. They covered 80 percent of the land in those provinces that last year had been awash in poppies.
This year they found poppies growing on barely an acre here and there, Frahi said. The rest -- about 175,000 acres -- was clean.
"We have to look at the situation with careful optimism," said Sandro Tucci of the U.N. Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention in Vienna, Austria.
He said indications are that no poppies were planted this season and that, as a result, there hasn't been any production of opium -- but that officials would keep checking.
The State Department counternarcotics official said the department would make its own estimate of the poppy crop. Information received so far suggests there will be a decrease, but how much is not yet clear, he said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
"We do not think by any stretch of the imagination that poppy cultivation in Afghanistan has been eliminated. But we, like the rest of the world, welcome positive news."
The Drug Enforcement Administration declined to comment.
No U.S. government official can enter Afghanistan because of security concerns stemming from the presence of suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden.
Poppies are harvested in March and April, which is why the survey was done now. Tucci said it would have been impossible for the poppies to have been harvested already.
The areas searched by the U.N. surveyors are the most fertile lands under Taliban control. Other areas, though they are somewhat fertile, have not traditionally been poppy growing areas and farmers are struggling to raise any crops at all because of severe drought. The rest of the land held by the Taliban is mountainous or desert, where poppies could not grow.
Karim Rahimi, the U.N. drug control liaison in Jalalabad, capital of Nangarhar province, said farmers were growing wheat or onions in fields where they once grew poppies.
"It is amazing, really, when you see the fields that last year were filled with poppies and this year there is wheat," he said.
The Taliban enforced the ban by threatening to arrest village elders and mullahs who allowed poppies to be grown. Taliban soldiers patrolled in trucks armed with rocket-propelled grenade launchers. About 1,000 people in Nangarhar who tried to defy the ban were arrested and jailed until they agreed to destroy their crops.
Signs throughout Nangarhar warn against drug production and use, some calling it an "illicit phenomenon." Another reads: "Be drug free, be happy."
Last year, poppies grew on 12,600 acres of land in Nangarhar province. According to the U.N. survey, poppies were planted on only 17 acres there this season and all were destroyed by the Taliban.
"The Taliban have done their work very seriously," Frahi said.
But the ban has badly hurt farmers in one of the world's poorest countries, shattered by two decades of war and devastated by drought.
Ahmed Rehman, who shares less than three acres in Nangarhar with his three brothers, said the opium he produced last year on part of the land brought him $1,100.
This year, he says, he will be lucky to get $300 for the onions and cattle feed he planted on the entire parcel.
"Life is very bad for me this year," he said. "Last year I was able to buy meat and wheat and now this year there is nothing."
But Rehman said he never considered defying the ban.
"The Taliban were patrolling all the time. Of course I was afraid. I did not want to go to jail and lose my freedom and my dignity," he said, gesturing with dirt-caked hands.
Shams-ul-Haq Sayed, an officer of the Taliban drug control office in Jalalabad, said farmers need international aid.
"This year was the most important for us because growing poppies was part of their culture, and the first years are always the most difficult," he said.
Tucci said discussions are under way on how to help the farmers.
Western diplomats in Pakistan have suggested the Taliban is simply trying to drive up the price of opium they have stockpiled. The State Department official also said Afghanistan could do more by destroying drug stockpiles and heroin labs and arresting producers and traffickers.
Frahi dismissed that as "nonsense" and said it is drug traffickers and shopkeepers who have stockpiles. Two pounds of opium worth $35 last year are now worth as much as $360, he said.
Mullah Amir Mohammed Haqqani, the Taliban's top drug official in Nangarhar, said the ban would remain regardless of whether the Taliban received aid or international recognition.
"It is our decree that there will be no poppy cultivation. It is banned forever in this country," he said. "Whether we get assistance or not, poppy growing will never be allowed again in our country.
Ollie North, what a champion of truth. Self admitted traitor to his uniform and country. Its good when someone admits they are part of the problem. Charlie Sheen is an actor too.
Putty
That is fucking interesting since the OT ( Original Taliban) managed to reduce Poppy growth by something like 90%. That and the whole young boy butt slave of older man thingy.
I think you are confusing the Taliban with the drug lords whom we cater too. Those are the guys the Taliban put the big hurt on with the drug redcution. Those are the guys wh were our buds against the Russian.
Those are the guys we reached out to touch for the whole invasion bugaboo.
You know Karzai's brother and his cronies.
Fuck dude even Trudeau even managed to get that right in Doonesbury.
A few years from now? HIGHLY optimistic best case scenario in my opinion.
Max Keiser has a piece out saying US trips and falls right after Greece.
If they try to keep it going with counterfeiting it will pressure too many people. The margin compression is going horribly. My state is reporting increases in tax revenue when it's just not happening. Either margin squeezed corporations are getting counterfeit money to pay taxes with or they are not cheating local tax authorities as badly. It's hard to tell who is doing what. But one thing is certain. Calpers and every state is bleeding retirement funds dry.
No way, by then the US Constitution will be replaced with a corporate charter and bonuses for "Congressional/Judicial executives."
The police will help themselves to everything else.
FUCK THE POOR!
Yup, and, painfully, no one in the U.S. seems to understand this "canary in the coal mine" moment and why Greece is so important. Fuck me. Oh, they already have.
Coming soon to a theater near you...
A state funded theater?
With mandatory attendance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdu5Lt8X0N0&playnext=1&list=PL4D55C71BE1F...
Bolshoi ballet, bitchez.
Instead of bread and circuses, think vodka and high class pole dancing.
Bipolar HFT trading goes on. Will they won't they? Ah fuck it. Sooner they walk away from the euro and their debts the better.
Why sell off your country's assets just to get more debt?
Why do TBTF firms only increase risk? Fascist takeover is a sight to behold.
That crackling sound is youth/slaves of the future smoldering in ashes because of incompetence and corruption of the now.
"That crackling sound is youth/slaves of the future smoldering in ashes because of incompetence and corruption of the now."
Well said widowmaker. Very well said indeed.
ORI
Well said.
I keep seeing folks here and on other boards bleating about Communism and Socialism to define the current system because that's what they've been told to fear. Meanwhile debt-based Fascism has enslaved them while they were looking to the sky for the Communist and Socialist Boogeymen their Fascist owners have been scaring them with.
Hang on because the next great deception comes when they have the sheople/slaves phyiscally fighting each other in the street over skin color, religion, political beliefs, relative wealth, etc... while the fascist owners watch, laugh and scheme the next level of enslavement.
To be fair. Fascism, Socialism, and Communism are easily confused. They all celebrate central authority and deny the individual. They all value and enforce conformity. Fascism is just a more distilled and pure form of collectivism for the putative benefits of collectivism itself; whereas, socialism and communism are more specific forms of fascism that attempt to more evenly distribute wealth - which may or may not happen under pure fascism.
fucking art, man...
Little bit of rioting going on at the moment in feed 1 (off screen centre left) - though is down a side street so you can only see the odd bit of concrete or ter gas cannister thrown.
Its getting rowdy in the second feed, projectiles thrown and now, smoke from all around...
They've being doing that for 3 years now. Yawn...
Need to step it up if they want to accomplish anything.
while all the cops are there.... activities should spread elsewhere... use your imagination
Reminiscent of Die Hard 3 (I think) where Bruce busts the shoplifting kid and he says something like
"Look around. All the cops are off somewhere else. You could rob city hall right now."
Apparently lots of petrol bombs today
http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2011/06/28/athens-june-28-live-streaming-blogging-in-english/
"Without it, Greece faces the prospect next month of becoming the first eurozone country to default on its debts - a potentially disastrous event that could drag down European banks"
Sooooo..... The choice is Greece going down, or European Banks going down....I know where I would be going if I was Greek Finance minister.....
These strikes are childsplay compared to Egypt and other countries.
European minions of the Zionist World Order are not prepared (yet) to use live ammunition
send in the camel brigade
+1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26093461@N00/4924353452/
these strikes are not sponsored by the elite
I'll be more excited when the sheeple wake up and that is happening here.
Frack! OK when I said this 30 months ago no one believed me.. Now they are like did you just see what they just did?
Surely, it is obvious to most everyone from the PM to the anarchists on the streets merely taking advantage of the situation to make a statement (even if they have no understanding of finance and economics) that it is impossible for Greece to pay its debts and impossible for Greece to "grow" out of its debts.
It is obvious and don't call me Shirley.
Even Soros has said it is inevitable that a country will leave the Euro. And, when Soros says something like that, he usually plays a part in making it happen and pocketing some cash for himself.
I find myself somewhat divided. The Greeks had ridiculous social programs, benefits, and did spend well-beyond their means. However, allowing them into the Euro to begin with was stupid. And, the Euro is fundamentally flawed, anyway. If interest rates on Greek bonds hadn't been kept artificially low because of the Euro, they would have been forced to reform over time. So, it is true that they did this to themselves, in a sense. Everyone knows heroin can kill them. But, I can understand someone borrowing simply because they are approved - you could argue that people could assume that the bank wouldn't lend to them unless they could repay the money.
Some people even think politicians wouldn't make promises that couldn't possibly be kept.
Addicts, whether their poison be debt or heroin, shouldn't be surprised when they face a day of reckoning. However, the lenders and dealers enable the behavior and are not completely innocent, especially if the person or government they're dealing to isn't really all that financially or economically savvy.
Now, I'm all for heroin. Legalize all drugs. But, people who use heroin know that it can kill them. Did the Greek people really understand the implications of artificially low interest rates, what their government, Goldman, the ECB, and other financial institutions were doing? I expect not. They were just enjoying the high of the false boom and borrowed time, without realizing it was fueled by deadly, unsustainable debt heroin.
So, while they are, in a sense, getting what they deserve for being a bunch of socialists. The "smart" people in their government, at Goldman, the ECB, and all the other players certainly were capable of understanding the implications of the debt binge they enabled. So, Greece defaulting would give them what they deserve too.
And, a default is what has to happen, anyway. The sooner, the better. It needs to be done quick - like ripping off a band-aid.
Although, Europe traditionally goes to war over things like this. The last world war was preceded by economic conditions similar to today. Germany's numbers paint a decent economic picture, but numbers are just numbers.
Trying to unite the world with things like the UN, the IMF, World Bank, and all these other international organizations actually just seems to build a bigger collapse and will probably lead to an even bigger war. We don't allow systems to purge themselves over time, so they end up purging themselves all at once with economic collapse or world wars or both.
A world war is only a matter of time. That's kind of nature's way of resetting humanity, I suppose, though.
Thanks for regurgitating CNBC's position, which allowed me to bypass the next 10 paragraphs.
CNBC usually just says things like:
It's stupid for them to protest. Don't they realize they have to have the austerity? That's the only way to pay off the debt.
Or, CNBC goes and tries to figure out how Greece can grow out of its debt. Or, how to stimulate economic growth.
I haven't heard many on CNBC say that Greece should leave the Euro.
Normally I would just be celebrating a bunch of socialists getting what they deserve. But, the entire Keynesian premise and the foundation of the Euro are to blame too. You can't completely blame the people when the ECB, financiers, Goldman, and all the other "intellectuals" were quite capable of understanding the flaws in the Euro. These problems were predictable, as are the problems in the United States. Ron Paul has been predicting our problems for years. He's been trying to end the Fed and the Keynesian nonsense for years.
Lets see how enthusiastic CNBC anchors are about austerity when it applies to them!
Yes, that's interesting. We find ourselves in a situation with no solution. If we made the spending cuts and actually reset our system to what it should it have been, it would cause a depression far worse than the Great Depression because we have allowed the Keynesian bubble to build for so long. And, the Fed pretty much has set on a course to just create new bubbles.
But, if we don't make those spending cuts and reset the system voluntarily, it will collapse and force a reset.
There is no answer anymore. At least not one without pain.
Now, if Ron Paul had won the Presidency in 1988 or maybe even Ross Perot in 1992, we could have made the changes over time. But, we didn't.
There will be no voluntary aspect of this. That is fairly clear now. The entire system is headed for oblivion, full-throttle. There are far too many people who are beholden to the system than not. Of course we all know there is no real solution inside the current scheme. That is why all these "bailouts" are so comical. Bailouts are just chess pieces being moved around the board towards an inevitable check and checkmate moment as various NWO a-holes armwrestle for global dominance.
The big question is when the defication hits the rotary oscillator, and a reset is initiated - what will it look like? Kind of like hitting the "hyperspace button" in the old video games... you haven't a clue where you wind up! LOL. Of course there is also the timeframe between the "oh sit" moment and new system stabalizing wherein lots of folks are going to pushing up daisies as a new career.
Yeah - doom and gloom. Blah, blah. I could care less at this point. The mission (hope) is to get this mess right-sided for my kids.
Previous reset as caught in lyrical form:
League of Notions
Al Stewart
I'm here sitting in the wreck of Europe
With a map of Europe
Spread out in a hall of Versailles
And every single nationality and principality
have come for a piece of the pie
I'm sitting in the wreck of Europe
With a map of Europe
And the lines and the borders are gone
We've got to do this jigsaw puzzle
It's an awful muddle
But somehow we've got to go on
Lawrence of Arabia is waiting in the wings
He's got some Arab sheikhs and kings
And we're in debt to them somehow
Lawrence of Arabia has got this perfect vision
Gonna sell him down the river
There's no time for him now
I think I'm gonna take a piece of Russia
And a Piece of Germany
And give them to Poland again
I'll put together Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia
And hope that is how they'll remain
Then I'll take a bit of Turkey
Then a lot of Turkey
This is all quite a heady affair
There's Persia and Iraq to pick up
And there's Churchill's hiccup
And we can't leave it up in the air
Woodrow Wilson waves his fourteen points around
And says "The time to act is now
Won't get this opportunity again"
Woodrow Wilson has his fourteen points
But Clemenceau turns to Lloyd George
And says "You know that
God himself had only ten"
Today I'm carried by a league of notions
(It's a league of notions)
By a league of notions
I don't think I quite understand
(I don't think I understand)
I only know from this commotion
(From this commotion)
There's a chance that we could turn
The world in the palm of our hands
(We can turn the world in the palm of our hands)
Voices in the corridors of power
Candles burning hour by hour
Still you know that to the victors go the spoils
Such a great responsibility to make it fair
And there must be some reparations now
And don't forget the oil
Today I'm carried by a league of notions
(It's a league of notions)
By a league of notions
I don't think I quite understand
(I don't think I understand)
I only know from this commotion
(From this commotion)
There's a chance that we could turn
The world in the palm of our hands
(We can turn the world in the palm of our hands)
Pax vobiscum
Wo-Oh, Pax vobiscum
you actually listen to CNBC
I don't listen to them, as in take their advice.
Propaganda is entertaining though.
on Tue, 06/28/2011 - 09:58
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I know what this is all about - it is about oil and pipelines and trade routes and the Middle East - precisely why Greece was let into the Euro in the first place as it failed on every economic test at the time of entry...
As posted elsewhere, every nation has their own bargaining chip to bring to the table so to speak. Sovereignty is a gift from God and should not be squandered for money. War is avoidable if monied interests were stripped of their self appointed international soveriegnty. Who do these people think they are, anyway?
I love it when people flag comments as junk - like that means anything.
It really makes sense to flag a paragraph as junk; I mean if I linked to spam or something then definitely don't flag it as junk - only flag things as junk when you disagree with people.
It would be one thing if I pointed out your tiny penis and mocked it (and that's why you flag things as junk, of course), but to flag my brilliance as junk is just insane.
I pity those who take the time to flag things as junk.
Its more fun when there is clearly a serial junker in the room. Certain topics seem to send some folks here over the deep end into some sort of "junking" rampage. Kind of like internet road rage.
I hope people don't think I actually want there to be a world war. It's not like I'm saying I want the world to fall apart and the EuroZone to collapse. Greece has to default. The EuroZone has to collapse. The United States has to collapse. These things just have to happen. We could have a controlled collapse or an unstoppable uncontrolled one (that's what the world has chosen). The planet doesn't have the resources for the world to grow out of its problems.
Socialism would be wonderful if it could work. The only equality socialism can bring is equality in poverty, though.
The US should have let the banks fail in 2008. Yeah, it would have been terrible. Probably would have driven us into a much deeper recession/depression. But, that is what has to happen. All that bad debt has to be liquidated, whether it be in the US or the EuroZone. The sooner it is done, the sooner things can be reset.
We can argue about how we got here or how Greece got to where it is and point fingers and place blame, but we should really just let the system collapse and apply what we've learned to a new system.
Isn't the premise of this website (or the whole Tyler Durden theme, anyway) that we need a refreshing purge and collapse, so that actual, genuine, authentic free-market Capitalism can be reinstituted?
But, we didn't choose that path of voluntarily going into a depression to clean off the books. (I understand that most Americans wouldn't have voted for the bailouts, while our "representatives" did. That's a whole different issue. The Constitution has been destroyed.) Europe hasn't chosen that path. I mean, conspiracy theories aside (and the NWO does actually seem to gain more and more credibilty every day - however, they will not succeed, even if it's true), history tells us that nations who try to print money to fix their problems will inevitably face terrible economic collapse. And, terrible economic collapse usually leads to war.
Yes. I'm hung up on that though part.
Except that "we" don't understand the system now. Go outside and ask the first human being you find what CPI is and where it comes from. Until we know that inflation is theft the sheeple will fall for it again. Until we understand that fractional reserve banking is used to suppress natural freedoms we still have to consider violent resistance.
Shirley's painties are in a twist
I AM THIRTY-FIVE YEARS OLD.
I AM DIVORCED.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nhgfjrKi0o
Your panties would be in a twist too.
MA, you write really well and cogently. Not sure why the poster after your initial, incisively worded post went after you with a CNBC tag.
Perhaps this " but to flag my brilliance as junk is just insane." is a bit much for most to handle.
Regardless, well said all around.
ORI
"...he usually plays a part in making it happen and pocketing some cash for himself..."
Yea... I can't agree less, as he is the spokesman for the speculative world.
George Soros is a piece of shit that is going to die soon anyway.
When will this old fart finally keep his fucking mouth shut ?
Elements of core rationality:
You are correct Sir, there WILL be war. My prediction: The world will be at war before 2024. It is the only purge powerful enough to overcome the ignorance of the masses and the imbalance created by the authority of the boundless greed of oligarchs.
You know what NASA means to the chineese? - Need Another Seven Aircraft carriers!
we already are at war. try and serve in one sometime and find out what it means to be a part of the policy making apparatus. it's actually one of the most awesome things you will ever do--and can still be had today--in some ways now more than ever.
"we already are at war."
Not yet we're not. Not like the World War I'm predicting.
Dude, good prediction! I'm predicting the sun will set and then rise again. Do you think I'll be right eventually?
When the order from the terrorists comes to gun down the masses, what direction will the bullets fly?
I don't know but better stay away from my neightbourhood muchacho!
Walk into a Texas bar and pull out a weapon.
Let me know how powerful you feel looking down the barrels of 30 high caliber handguns.
I bet you piss your pants.
Not all of us are victims in training. That is a coastal thing.
As a Greek- American, I could not be more proud. F the greedy bankers.
And I love the music! Opa!
Why are DOW futures at -2 at 11,998? Didnt the DOW close at 12,060?
Futures /= cash index
perhaps a better question...why aren't US stock futures falling off more?
Why gold is falling if the Euroland desperados are buying it like crazy?
http://startswithabang.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/skynet2.jpg
JMB, Dollar is dropping off.......
http://dollarcollapse.com/
this link is a vires, fucking pinktip. trying to fuck my computer!
it's a bug from the Plunge Protection Team, they prefer clear rounding
Why not just hire everyone on as riot officers?
CNBC Becky Quick: Don't mind the black hooded anarchists, they have other issues that don't pertain to these austerity measures.
Wow CNBC anchors sure do love austerity! I wonder how they would accept reality that no one watches then, theyre funded thru the govt by GE ties so lets see CNBC austerity in the form of paying their own way.
They certainly arent paying the bills from their Gerber life insurance, bathrobe MBA college, and Magick Jack ads.
No they make the big $ from "Bill Schaefer made a financial gain with his invention" commercial
why sheeple actually pay attention to B. Quick (and others) that WhiskeyTango jersey girl always looks like a deer in the headlights...b/c she interviews Buffet...come on
Whitney and Peebles agree that austerity is the only answer for USA. The rich are abandoning the ship. Next, the gas chambers.
First Day Of Greek General Strike
Aren't we up to at least the 32nd Greek general strike?
far cry from the 300
Crap isn't it?! Me and couple buddies can do better than that with some baseball bats... disgusting
5,000 cops? That sounds expensive...can they afford that?
They receive payment with/in olive branches! Yen.
Where do you think the bailout money is going? The proles? Hahaha...
"Truly hell for the working man" Complete, pure, 100%, and unadulterated horseshit!
PLEASE DON'T GET TRAPPED INTO DISSINFORMATION.
NO MORE THAN 500 TO 100 PEOPLE ARE THEY WITH THE MOLOTOVS AND THE BURNING OF THE BUILDINGS.
THEIR PURPOSE IS ONLY TO PROVOKE THE SECURITY FORCES (ALL PLANNED) TO THROW TEAR GASSES AND DISSOLVE THE MASSIVE DEMONSTRATION.
THE CAMERAS FOCUS DELIBERATELY SOME SPOTS ONLY .
YOU NEED TO SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE WITH THE HOODED PROVOCATEURS!
Yesterday a group of the self called "Anarchists" distributed leaflets in Upper Syntagma in front of the Parliament.
These leaflets urged the people to wear HOODS.
They shouted: "GREECE - TURKEY - ALBANIA" !!! "DOWN WITH THE GREEK FLAG, TEAR THE HATED NATIONAL SYMBOL!" "NO COUNTRIES, BORDERS" ETC.
"
THIS IS A HOSTILE ACTION DIRECTED AGAINST THE INTEGRITY OF THE GREEK STATE, WHICH IS THE HOME OF THE GREEK PEOPLE.
MINGLED WITH THESE PEOPLE ARE PROVOCATEURS ALSO (they MAY ignore the fact that their revolutionary feelings ARE USED by the system, OR... they MAY NOT IGNORE IT...)
As you all know and saw in your pc-screens, the majority of people in Athens DO NOT WANT to demonstrate WITH HOODS.
HOODS WEAR THE PROVOCATEURS, WHICH THE SYSTEM IMPLANTS INTO THE PEOPLE, TO PROVOKE THE SECURITY FORCES (that is a well planned scenery), TO BURN ATHENS BUILDINGS AND DISSOLVE THE DEMONSTRATION AND CAUSE DEATHS AND WOUNDED FROM THE INNOCENT PEOPLE.
OH so the people arent really pissed about getting screwed over by corrupt broke govt so the politicians can remain rich and the peasants get all taken from them. Its just 'provocateurs' yes I see.
The people ARE pissed off, but they DO NOT want that UNKNOWN HOODED MASKED INDIVIDUALS use their voices!!!
Can you tell WHO IS UNDER A HOOD AND A MASK? IS IT A REAL LEFTIST? AN ANARCHIST? OR IS IT AN UNDERCOVER POLICEMAN, OR A FOREIGN AGENT?
YOU SAW THAT THE MOST CITIZENS IN ATHENS DEMONSTRATE WITH OPEN FACE!!!
ALL CAPS GIVE ME A HEADACHE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOUT TO MAKE YOUR POINT.
problem with keypa
+1 :D
ALL THE GUNFIRE HAS MADE ME HARD OF HEARING. I APOLOGIZE!
I get your point about the hooded provocateurs, but this is a protest by a nation of grossly overweight pigs who demand the hog trough remain full.
Wait a minute. This protest is in America? I thought it was in Greece.
ha ha. won't be as peacful when it comes to america.
Proud of what? How just 12 million lazies by not paying
taxes screw their own .GOV on 600 Billion EUR???
Now time to tight your bells, lazies and go back to work
under creditor terms. Whole freaking country doesn't work
for 1 year already. Go back to work, punks..
They had no work to begin with, 6 months paid holidays and 3 hour 'work days', and they wonder why theyre broke? Look at the Greek govt, communists!
Nope, communism doesn't work. Neither does capitalism, and apparently, the worst system of all is when communism is sponsored by debt capitalism.
it is not capitalism when the money borrowed is electronic fiat. its debtism or debt socialism or somthing else but its not capitalism.
Don't confuse means and ends; its stays capitalism as an end, electronic monetisation is just a means to spreading it fast and painlessly, through totally oligarchic and centrally controlled channels. The aim is to feed the capitalist beast in its latest clothing : the FIRE economy controlled by the 0.1%. Socialisng debt and privatising profit is now the game; as the middle/working class class, bulwark of 'we the people', is now just an empty meaningless shell, whose acquiescence to the systme is pre-obtained by a bought Congress and an owned MSM.
I understand.
debt is slavery. If you have some meaningful capital enough to buy some means of production like a milk cow or a flock of laying hens capitalism is freedom of a degree. The banksters and unionistas are monopolists and what they want you can't have.
before everybody talks about Europe, not understanding the Continent, please read some history below.
Greece-Achilles heel of Europe. On the Divided states of Europe
correction: they are no more than 500 to 1000 (at most 1500) but because they make so much mess, the cameras focuses always on them, IN ORDER TO FRIGHTEN THE OTHER CITIZENS NOT TO COME TO THE DEMONSTRATION!
good thing that they don't know about flash mobs over there
over there where the juice is good, eh?
Riot Dog / Stewart 2012
the protests arent in syntagma square (opposite the parliament) they are in 'pedion areos'...a large park, about a 15 minute walk away from syntagma.
I must say, you have good taste in avatar selection.
Thanks, but I'm...over here.
my brother from another mother????? :)
harem step sons
The music is of Nikos Xilouris we used to sing back in 1973 fighting the military dictatorship.
Anarchy... well, it's better than no government at all...
PLEASE DO NOT FORGET, OR MAYBE YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW, THAT, LAST YEAR, 5th of MAY, IN THE VERY FIRST MASSIV DEMONSTRATION AGAINST IMF, 3 OR 4 GUYS COMING OUT FROM A LEFTIST BLOCK (NOBODY KNOWS IF THEY WERE STUPID OR IMPLANTED PROVOCATEURS OR EVEN FOREIGN AGENTS) THREW 3 MOLOTOVS INTO THE BANK AND BURNED 4 PEOPLE (ONE UNBORN BABY IN HIS MOTHER'S BELLY)
THIS PARALYSED THE REACTIONS FOR A WHILE.
THE LEFTISTS SAY "THESE HOODED WERE NOT FROM OUR ORGANISATION"
BUT THEY CAME OUT FROM THEIR BLOCK (VIDEOS)
DOES IT SEEM LIKE I'M YELLING WHEN I TYPE LIKE THIS?
The people have finally said enough to the courrpt bankers of the world. Now is time for the US to do the same and end this pathetic group in DC before GovtSacks and JP Morgan find another way to destroy the American dream.
Beating drums and holding up banners. Same shit another day.
At least they'll do that. When will the rest of europe wake up and say
Hey I'm French I hate the fucking Germans. Or hey I'm German I ain't paying
for some Greeks gyro today. Or hey I'm Italian fuck the Spanish.
And then altogether they say fuck the european union.
Fuck the euro and fuck England and fuck the NWO.
and fuck the fucking diaz brothers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaCMvISo7RE
Looks like the Greek people want a bigger pile of debt. Where is the angered people of Greece? I can see only a bunch of losers dancing and kicking stuff around... Disgusting men
Theyll probably pass it, and we'll see the biggest 'sell the news' market drop in history.
THE INDIGNADOS IN SYNTAGMA HAVE REALIZED THE ROLE OF THE HOODED MOLOTOF CARRIERS AND THEY CHASE THEM AWAY.!!!
BUT THE HOODED ARE VERY ORGANIZED WITH GAS MASKS LIKE AN UNDERCOVER ARMY AND THEY TERRORIZE THE SIMPLE CITIZENS SO THAT THEY EVACUATE SYNTAGMA!
THE HOODED ARE PLAYING THE GAME OF THE SECURITY FORCES._!!!
The Spanish have come to Greece?
PIIG-Fest!
Exactly!! Nothing could have done more damage to the genuine democratic movement than this game between the hooligans and the police. So thousands of police can't just arrest the criminals throwing explosive at them? They just have to throw tear gas to clear out the site of the protest. This is shameful behavior. I'm sure the media will have pictures of these idiots who have destroyed a democratic movement, and portray them as the protesters.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. "
— Margaret Thatcher
"The problem with crony capitalism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
the problem with corporate socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money.
The problem with the fed is that you never run out of money.
sort of but the ability of the taxpayers to pay them back will fail at some point.
hasn't happened on Wall Street yet.