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Stunning Video Of Reactor 3 Explosion

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This is what a hydrogen explosion looks like. There a several other reactors that are seeing a build up of hydrogen.

And another view. Hopefully the thing dropping from the explosion was not the containment dome.

 


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Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:07 | Link to Comment Haywood Jablowme
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2012 baby.  2012...

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:30 | Link to Comment CPL
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US Military is being evacuated right now from Japan.  The Two Carriers on the east coast are booking out of dodge as fast as possible to deep sea.

Probably because the core of engineers know exactly what's going to happen next.  Chain reaction. 

 

I should also warn everyone that internet services everywhere are going to go into the shitter in the next couple of weeks, months.  Japan is a major internet traffic hub and the primary central site for akamai appliances that cache the internet to shot gun DNS requests and data around the planet.  So hopfully OSPF works as intended and the internet self heals but it's doubtful.  I expect market feeds to be pretty fucked up tommorrow morning at open.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:35 | Link to Comment HarryWanqer
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It's just a little steam.  I wouldn't worry about it.  I'm going to back the truck up tomorrow and BTFD.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:44 | Link to Comment HamyWanger
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Must agree with Harry on this one. 

This is just water steam caused by the cooling system.

I wouldn't worry about this "explosion" which isn't one. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:05 | Link to Comment avonaltendorf
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Tokyo Electric Power Co. says three workers have been injured and seven are missing after an explosion at the stricken Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:35 | Link to Comment barkster
Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:03 | Link to Comment Muir
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Tis but a scratch.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:35 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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West coast jet stream predictions here and here

Cooter

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 05:52 | Link to Comment malikai
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Jet stream predictions will not help really. What are needed is surface winds due to the low altitude of the event. What's more, I see what looks like a high pressure system off the east coast of Japan, that means the low level winds within it will be traveling in a clockwise circle around the system. That brings any fallout right back to Japan with some risk on the Korean peninsula/northeastern China. No wonder the US navy is leaving town.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:11 | Link to Comment PenGun
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 The first, #1, did looik like a hydrogen explosion. This one , #3, is quite different and instead of a big 'pop' which threw the pannels from the building all over it went straight up from the center and appeared to be stronger all over.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:26 | Link to Comment anonnn
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There is add-on missile directly shield over reactor on nuke pwr plants in US.

If unit 3 had one installed, that may have been the large ejected object that fell back down...abt 25 tons.

The overall ejected mass and multiple impulses suggests large contamination mass in plume. Not like unit #1.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:41 | Link to Comment Michael
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I don't know how you cool down a nuclear reactor in a couple days when it took them 8 weeks to cool down the 9/11 ground zero site.

WTC Ground Zero Molten Steel (Part One)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx33GuVsUtE

9/11 - Ground Zero Molten Metal Confirmed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-XA0Rv1Ng8&feature=related

9/11 Experiments: The Mysterious Eutectic Steel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvQDFV1HINw&feature=related

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:07 | Link to Comment hayesy316
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Possibly because burning office towers don't have their own specially-engineered coolant systems. Genius.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:14 | Link to Comment dieskyver
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Most building code do require sprinkler systems. Whether or not it would extinguish a jet fuel fire is a different argument. But the wtc7 collapse looks like the sprinklers may have been spraying jet fuel in stradegery located places. Im just saying.
If tptb will enslave multiple generations with debt money and send soldiers to die for WMD that "we" gave them, what's a few thou is civilian life in exchange for a healthy war or 2?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:11 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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WTC Ground Zero Molten Steel

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That old saw again? Isn't that about worn out?

 

Say, can you riddle me how the temperatures got so hot to 'melt steel' on office furniture and paper as the combustibles?

Oh, words please, no linking to obscure incomprehensible videos by high-schoolers on YouTube pls ..

 

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Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:28 | Link to Comment Michael
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Professional debunkers are so much fun to play with.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:04 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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No answer ... figures; you're just a pass-though. I need to be speaking to the head conspiracy theorist.

Take me to your leader.

 

 

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Mon, 03/14/2011 - 06:07 | Link to Comment css1971
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Just off the top of my head.

450 tonnes of aluminium from the 747 combining with iron oxide on the girders and rebar to kick off a redox reaction. i,e,  Thermite.

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 06:15 | Link to Comment Bill DeBurgh
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What 747? There were 2 B767s involved. At least get this minor detail correct.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Maybe you're the head conspiracy theorist I should be directing my questions to ...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 04:18 | Link to Comment CH1
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Yes, I've seen H explosions, and the #1 had that 'clean' look. These were different. Maybe they are hydrogen mixed with something else, but it wasn't just H.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 06:41 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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"it wasn't just H"

How about MOX?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 04:06 | Link to Comment Commander Cody
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Whether caused by hydrogen or steam, the explosion at both units was significant and resulted in much damage to the plants' equipment as well as the spent fuel pools.  The official story is that these were explosions caused by hydrogen.  If so, then that means that there is core damage.  By design, any steam or hydrogen in the reactor vessel is vented to the suppression pool or drywell (together they comprise the primary containment), not the reactor building surrounding primary containment.

Without power there is no cooling and so pressure builds from steam releases to the primary containment.  The operators should be able to vent the containment to relieve the pressure, but the vent system may rely on AC power, which was lost.  If the vent valves could not be opened to relieve the pressure, then the containment will ultimately fail.  That is what I believe has occurred due to the violent nature of the explosions.

What is possible, but not most likely, is a catastrophic failure of the reactor vessel due to a molten core penetrating the vessel wall.  This would result in an instantaneous overpressure of the primary containment.

Without power there is no pumping ability in the plants.  They are not designed to cope with decay heat from the reactors for an extended period without the ability to remove heat and add coolant.  These reactors were in that very situation and the results have been dire.  With the amount of damage from the explosions it is unlikely that plant equipment can be restored, especially if radiation levels at the plants is high, which is likely.

Pray for the operators.  They need all the help they can get.  If the control rooms are destroyed or are uninhabitable due to radiation, then the only thing that can be done is pump water into the primary containments and spent fuel pools with external hoses.  This also would require personnel to work in close proximity to the open and damaged containments.  Not good.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 04:40 | Link to Comment sushi
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These are older units. Would a long service life result in embrittlement or other degradation of the cement in the primary and secondary containment structures?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:01 | Link to Comment Cleverbot
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You're changing the subject and that's insulting.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:27 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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Wanqer -- Wanker -- Wanger -- what's the difference?  Better yet, who cares?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:17 | Link to Comment glenlloyd
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precisely

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:40 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Lets go hunting rocky. I'm 5 hours off of west coast time. I'm well fed and in the mood for some left wingers!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:06 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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Wangers don't taste good in a soup. Got to feed em to the ravens to bait something worth eating.

Cooter

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:05 | Link to Comment johnnynaps
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but right wingers eat better than left. Me thinks right wingers make a better meal.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 03:50 | Link to Comment ironymonger
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On a long enough comment thread

the authenticty rate for

everyone drops to zero.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:37 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Banzai7, who is in Hong Kong, told me his broadband was been very slow since the tsunami. Another contact on the mainland told me the same thing. The assumption was just heavy traffic, but maybe it's more than that.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:39 | Link to Comment CPL
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It's a major hub.  Same thing would happen if Denver, Chicago, Liverpool, Paris, Amesterdam, etc.  Went up in smoke.

 

the guy that runs ricefarmer.blogspot.com is in Japan and managed to get a post up mentioning that there is only three hours of power a day...even then.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:50 | Link to Comment floydian slip
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http://www.internettrafficreport.com/

 

Region Current Index Avg. Response Time (ms) Avg. Packet Loss (%) Asia 58 407 26 % Australia 85 149 0 % Europe 74 251 11 % North America 78 215 16 % South America 85 144 0 %
Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:40 | Link to Comment NewThor
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WaKE.

From your sleep.

Before your father hears us.

Today.

We escape.

WWWWEEEEEEEE escape.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 05:28 | Link to Comment Confused
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Ah, love that song. 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:50 | Link to Comment Dr. Porkchop
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I'm in Canada, mine's shite to begin with!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:01 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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Connection is Korea is still as fast as a bullet.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:50 | Link to Comment TX-Mike
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@CPL

You might want a little more real world knowledge before you go offering predictions..

#1:  The "Internet" is based on BGP (both EBGP and IBGP)..  OSPF is only acting as the IGP within a individual provider, and yes, it works fine.  It's well tested.

#2: Akamai, by design, is distributed.  That's the entire point of it, put the content well out into the network and closer to the content consumer..

#3: DNS is local with the local servers checking in with DISTRIBUTED TLDs (Top Level Domain) servers.

You can "doubt it" all you want, just like a bunch of bunker digging "experts" predicted all of our microwaves were going to stop working on 1/1/2000....

Japan will have some issues related to power outages and fiber damage, but that will be localized.  The other possibilities are overloaded video servers with so many people trying to see what is going on, but that too will be localized to the websites hosting the videos..

In short, the Internet will be fine..

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:26 | Link to Comment flacon
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Perhaps "Anonymous" should delay the release of the BOA docs - who can compete with a nuclear meltdown?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:30 | Link to Comment CPL
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No that's still happening.  LOIC and IRC are online.  Anonymous is getting feeds from sailors on the boats that they are getting out of Japan for a little while.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:35 | Link to Comment frippy
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Do you have the IRC feed address?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:37 | Link to Comment CPL
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go to 4chan.org...go to /b/ and tell them you are a newfag and need LOIC.  Someone will help you out. lol

you'll need Tor setup to talk on the channel

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:05 | Link to Comment flacon
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Looks like Anonymous server can't handle the load - or it's a DOS attack:

 

"

Service Temporarily Unavailable

The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.

Apache Server at bankofamericasuck.com Port 80"

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:32 | Link to Comment CPL
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load...the irc channel is up though, LOIC bots are running just fine.   Same thing happened with Wikileaks.  Apache shits the bed and needs to be restarted.  Crapped out around the same time last time too, 100k of traffic contected to the IRC server and the web service dies.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:38 | Link to Comment Spalding_Smailes
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Wow ...

 


Military Crew Said to Be Exposed to Radiation, but Officials Call Risk in U.S. Slight

The Pentagon was expected to announce that the aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan, which is sailing in the Pacific, passed through a radioactive cloud from stricken nuclear reactors in Japan, causing crew members on deck to receive a month’s worth of radiation in about an hour, government officials said Sunday. 


www.nytimes.com

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:06 | Link to Comment Convolved Man
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Another sneak attack to get our aircraft carriers?

Those sly Japanese, luring us into a radioactive dirty bomb cloud.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 03:13 | Link to Comment booberryman
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rules 1 and 2 there big guy

 

 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:07 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Futures almost green.

Holy fuck

/es -4? Something is wrong.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:07 | Link to Comment raya123
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Dow futures are down 43 points.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:07 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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/es -3.50 @ the moment

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:49 | Link to Comment zebra
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someone is trying to prop up US equity. don't be surprise we will get a huge rally tomorrow.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:51 | Link to Comment zebra
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someone is trying to prop up US equity. don't be surprise we will get a huge rally tomorrow.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:58 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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Then sell, sell, SELL, OMFG SELL IT ALL into the bid?

Cooter

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:12 | Link to Comment snakebrain
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zh just used your line on twitter!

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:17 | Link to Comment John Law Lives
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The world's 3rd largest national economy just experienced devastation of Biblical proportions.  It figures that the S&P futures would get pumped.  That's because it is 100% BS.  It is the ONLY way the Fed knows how to create "wealth".

Ponzi market.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:39 | Link to Comment yipcarl
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Amen John Law, AMEN. 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:41 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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2nd largest....don't for a second believe those hyped up numbers from China.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:58 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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!win!

Cooter

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:06 | Link to Comment jerry_theking_lawler
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how can that NOT damage the primary containment??

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:09 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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Well it wasn't a mushroom cloud at least.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:08 | Link to Comment Theos
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Id speculate it's kinda like setting a firecracker off in an open hand. All that energy makes the pretty cloud.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:33 | Link to Comment Odd Ball
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There is a thick concrete floor beneath it that reflects the energy upwards, which may be why the roof blows so convincingly.  That said, this explosion was a bit more dramatic than unit #1.  Perhaps attributable to improved building standards over time?

I wonder why they didn't tear some of the panels off the upper structures of the other reactor buildings in order to release the hydrogen after they saw what happened to #1.

If we start seeing columns of steam shooting skyward that may be an indication containment is breached.  At that point we should all pray for a "divine wind" to carry the radiation offshore.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:01 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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Care to identify the debris that shot up and then fell while you are at it?

Cooter

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:15 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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It's called a fuckin' lie

Don't expect any truth on this for the next 80-90 years (if ever)

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:18 | Link to Comment obelisks
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Agreed ! You only have to look at what they told the people about the Gulf BP disaster to know that fairies in the garden have more credibility than Governments.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:39 | Link to Comment yipcarl
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No Shyte...like the stock market scam?  Or better 911?  What a joke. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:09 | Link to Comment Heavy
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So the old souls may go to war.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:49 | Link to Comment ken4aub
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The primary containment dome walls are 8' thick reinforced with rebar to the hilt.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:07 | Link to Comment avonaltendorf
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New Zealand Herald reporting "AP journalists felt the blast 50 kilometres away." That can't possibly be right.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:32 | Link to Comment HarryWanqer
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It's just a little steam.  I wouldn't worry about it.  I'm going to back the truck up tomorrow and BTFD.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:48 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Gotta love Mushrooms. Just make sure they are edible!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:01 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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SHITake mushrooms right?

Cooter

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:08 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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A metric unit of length equal to 1,000 meters (0.62 mile).

50 X .62 = 31 MILES

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:39 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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AKA a kilometer.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:26 | Link to Comment RmcAZ
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Associated Press journalists felt the explosion in the tsunami-devastated port town of Soma, some 25 miles (40 kilometers) north of the reactor. They reported feeling the faint rumble of a blast and the ground shaking.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake_nuclear_crisis

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:10 | Link to Comment khmer scrooge
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Nothing to see here...

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:14 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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This time the damage looks to be further down than what was experienced by unit one. Unit three is not exactly the same as unit one, but it appears that not only did the area above the reinforced concrete portion of the building blow away, where the overhead crane is located, but some of the images shown on TV appear to show some sections below that line are missing.

I hope I'm wrong because that would mean the actual containment building was breached. I'm hoping it's just cladding hanging down and making the lower section darker and thus appear to be missing.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:14 | Link to Comment fuu
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You can see some pretty big chunks of conrete coming down in the video.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:17 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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CD-

I'm operating under the worst case scenario mentality until it is proven otherwise.

That explosion was massive, almost looked like a JDAM exploding. That wasn't any bullshit hydrogen/oxygen explosion.

So many lies will be disseminated...

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:25 | Link to Comment Hicham
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Umm. I suppose you think the earthquake was manmade? There is ZERO evidence that would ever be sufficient in your paranoid view.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:32 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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WTF are you talking about?

 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:54 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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'cause you said it looked like a JDAM, he infers..... needs to back to lit class

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:07 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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No, I don't think a JDAM was dropped...I was juxtaposing. That guy is an idiot.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 05:49 | Link to Comment UncleFurker
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How's that astroturf job going, Hicham?

 

Pays well?

 

 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:32 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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What also disturbs me more about the unit three explosion is that it was mostly vertical. Go back and look at unit one blowing. While there was a vertical blast wave, most of the debris went horizontally. Now look at unit three going. It was more vertical and the vertical color was brown, not the off white that was coming from unit one. That may be the sign that concrete was just pulverized.

Unit one explosion link.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/following-core-meltdown-reactor-one-fukushima-nuclear-power-plant-explodes-video

Who knows at this point. We are looking at grainy TV pictures and guessing. But it was not the same type of explosion at all. It may still have been a hydrogen explosion, but different material was pulverized and ejected vertically in the first 3 or 4 seconds......until the entire blast fanned out and up.

Much better look at unit three exploding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_N-wNFSGyQ

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:33 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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agreed

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:34 | Link to Comment Aristarchan
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My thinking is that the extra material was the concrete apron going up, which did not happen on unit 1.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:44 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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How close is the spent fuel pool (located at the top third of the concrete structure) to the outer apron? Would they share a common wall?

Either way we are talking about massive reinforced concrete walls here, easily 18 inches thick even at that height. And consider all the re-bar as well. This isn't like building a highway with some re-bar in the middle of the 12 inch pour. We are talking about massive amounts of steel in a wall designed to handle an very large earthquake.

I wonder if the earthquake weakened the building, making it more susceptible to this explosion?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:53 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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There's probably more re-bar than concrete, at least that's what it appears to be if you ever seen a containment vessel under construction.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:57 | Link to Comment Aristarchan
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You are right, they use dense-pack rebar of large sectional area in these structures, as well as high-strength concrete. When I worked at Comanche Peak (PWR), the rebar in the outer containment was so dense it was difficult to tie, and the rebar was connected end-to-end by mechanical connections.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:54 | Link to Comment Aristarchan
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The spent fuel pool is close to the shield plug, which covers the drywell head on top the reactor vessel. The concrete connections to the reactor building structure are theoretically not required for the spent fuel pool to maintain integrity...the main structure is connected to the secondary shield wall. Again, theoretically, the main concrete structures that comprise the inner core are designed for considerable ground acceleration, but since we do not know what degree of acceleration occurred under the structure, we do not know for sure if design limits were exceeded...although I suspect they were.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:05 | Link to Comment Michael
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I used to machine huge pieces of Inconel for for GE containment vessels reactors. Very difficult to machine.

Inconel is a registered trademark of Special Metals Corporation that refers to a family of austenitic nickel-chromium-based superalloys Inconel alloys are typically used in high temperature applications.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:45 | Link to Comment BigJim
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OK, now you've done it - they're going to blame you for all this.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:21 | Link to Comment Kaiser Zose
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The diagram somebody posted of a GE Mk. 1 Containment is like where i work...if the upper part of the RB blew away, the Spent Fuel Pool is right near the shield plug and is likely junked up with debris and exposed to outside air now.  They have to keep water in that thing or the spent fuel will be exposed and there will be a big airborne problem...have to be concerned about the physical integrity of the SFP at U1 and U3.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:33 | Link to Comment Aristarchan
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It depends on whether there is spent fuel in the pool, and its aging latency. My gut feel is that the structure of the pool is ok...but that is just my instinct. One good thing about the reactor building going down, if there is a spent fuel spill, they can drop shielding material from above to try and contain it. If, of course, one considers that a good thing.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:39 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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How can that not kill any technician within a quarter of a mile?

How can it not destroy cooling systems for spent fuel?

Parden me..., for a moment there I doubted the MSM and believed my lying eyes.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 05:53 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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Well I can guarantee one thing - not one plc (programmable logic control) on any valve, would be left intact and I very much doubt that any pipe work survived as it would shatter the flanges and welds. That leaves them with only direct hand operation to quell the heat with seawater. there simply would be nothing workable left in that building that could be used for control. Im hoping there are some supermen that have the balls to walk back in there but that would have killed any one within 50m. Ask yourself who was in there, if no one and it was triggered remotely then who would go back in even at the point of a gun, if workers were in there then someone is dead yet only reports of minor injuries. HELLO! I say HELLO???? - The thing is you can't fake that mammoth explosion and that was epic. You may use clear logic any time you want.

The first casuality of this was truth. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:50 | Link to Comment BigJim
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Yes, I've been wondering who on earth would go anywhere near these things in their current, rapidly degrading state.

The Japanese were famously self-sacrificing... I suppose there would be some who would be willing to go in there and die for the community, particularly if they know their families will be given a LOT of money in return. I should think the companies operating these things (and the Japanese government) will be willing to offer ANYTHING to get this situation under control.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:06 | Link to Comment bankonzhongguo
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If you watch the video on the left of the plume you see a large saucer shape object tumbling - roof of containment vessel?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:56 | Link to Comment JoeSexPack
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Vertical explosion = strong walls & weak roof, like a cannon.

Standard design for building's containing explosives.

Saves the neighbors.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:28 | Link to Comment Iam_Silverman
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Well, if you can kill an uncontrolled oil spill in the GOM with a nuke, what else can you fix with one?

I know - bad joke.  I truly can appreciate the dragon that the operations staff there are fighting.  Once you get to the end of the EOP flow chart - there is no guidance.  You have to pull out "The Book Of Woe" - or otherwise known as the SAMG's (Severe Accident Mitigation Guides). 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:49 | Link to Comment prophet
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A:  Dunno, but you can fix uncontrolled nukes with enough cheap oil.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:28 | Link to Comment Aristarchan
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CD....you can lose the lower apron on the reactor building and still maintain the integrity of the core. But....things are starting to stack up over there.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:29 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I agree. I'm not so much worried about the core as I am the spent fuel pool at the top. Anyone know if it's loaded? That could have been more easily breached than the core.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:39 | Link to Comment Aristarchan
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Typically they are loaded, they keep the spent fuel rods there for several months until they can be transferred to truck tanks and moved to a reprocessing facility No way of knowing for sure, but I suspect they were loaded. Now, if one knew when the last refuel was done, then they could estimate the danger of the rods in storage (if any). The spent rod tank does have a concrete shield over it, so if the connections to the secondary containment stem survived, they should be okay. Luckily, the weak outer reactor building shell acts like an explosive vent (as designed) so reduces the force on the inner sections.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:35 | Link to Comment TomGa
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Also notice in this video there is an initial fireball (at time 0.00) which explodes up and out to the right which is then followed several tenths of a second later by a second explosion which is vectored straight up carrying a bunch of the building with it. This suggest two separate events took place - the first being an initial explosion (hydrogen?? But that should be colorless) followed by a more powerful (steam??) explosion, perhaps of the pressure vessel itself.  With the wind blowing to the right in the video, a large mass (presumably concrete) falls back down against the wind to the left suggesting that a bit of mass was taken out, that it's not simply light metal siding from the crane gallery / penthouse. I don't know, but from an initial cursory review of the video it certainly looks like two seperate events took place here, with the second one being much more forceful and directed than just hydrogen.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:42 | Link to Comment Mad Max
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Best analysis I've read so far.  It does appear to be a two-part.  I concur with the possibility of the major blast being a steam explosion.  Most people have no idea just how powerful an explosion of highly pressurized steam can be, especially if it's sitting on top of a lot of water at a temperature far exceeding the atmospheric pressure boiling point.  This looks almost like a rocket taking off, which would be consistent with a lot of superheated liquid water flashing into steam.

That would have unpleasant implications for cooling of the core.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 06:01 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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The temperature was 800 degrees celsius 3 hrs prior (officially reported). So you have answered your question.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:48 | Link to Comment fuu
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In one of the videos floating around there is sound. You can hear 3 distinct explosions.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:19 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Concur; the 2nd one that Tyler had up with the good video (I'm surprised no one else noticed the three explosion sounds).

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:32 | Link to Comment w a l k - a w a y
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at 1.27 the roof begins to colapse

at 1.33 is the first fireball

hows that happen?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:34 | Link to Comment w a l k - a w a y
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#1 dp

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 05:55 | Link to Comment UncleFurker
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I think a lot of the "smoke" is actually pulverised concrete - the top of the reactor punched it's way through the roof, pulverising the concrete. You can see the dust rolling around in the wake of the inverted bowl as it rises into the air.

 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:13 | Link to Comment jerry_theking_lawler
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Another question to the ZH crew...this incident is being compared to less than 3MI....i don't remember any H2 explosions of the secondary containment at 3MI.....what the heck, this has to be worse than 3 mile island, isn't it??

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:16 | Link to Comment ml8ml8
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if it isn't yet it's going to be.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:18 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Unknown at this point because we aren't being told everything. Plus all the "events" are not over. Let's ask that question again when it's all over and blame is being assigned.

But I tend to agree with you if for no other reason than it now encompasses two reactors (and counting) one of which contains plutonium.....that being reactor 3 which just blew it's top.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:37 | Link to Comment Howard_Beale
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One thing to keep in mind is the Japanese cultural bent of saving face (the banks took 8 years to admit to the shit on their books) and opaqueness. We are not going to really know the truth for a few days but it will be better than the banking situation in that the international nuclear gang (Bill Siedman's equivalent for the MOF) is on their way. We just can't trust what they are saying and have to rely on observations of grainy videos, etc. I personally think it is much worse that they are stating at this point.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:46 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Casualties far exceed TMI already.  It's worse.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:55 | Link to Comment Mentalic
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Exactly. And they have already rated this as a level 3 on a scale of 1-7, when the shitty situation is still ongoing...(TMI was 4)....What is the hurry in rating this disaster so soon?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 06:53 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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They upgraded to 4.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:10 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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Didn't TMI have a very small meltdown in the end? I seem to recall there was fear that hydrogen gases would blow the reactor up, but that never happened in that case. Japanese authorties yesterday said their's was a very bad nuclear incident, worse than TMI. But not nearly as bad as Chernobyl.

The Chernobyl disaster was made extremely serious by the ignition of the graphite reactor core, and there is no graphite in the Japanese reactors. So not the same risk of fire in that regard.

However a physical breach of the main containment vessel would almost certainly lead to (or be caused by) a meltdown, and a meltdown of the nuclear fuel is very dangerous.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:31 | Link to Comment saulysw
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I will go out on a limb here and say I believe this will turn out to be the biggest nuclear disaster in human history, even if none of the other reactors blow. And I think we have more to go.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:40 | Link to Comment barkster
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for anyone interested in taking medical precautions: http://blog.imva.info/medicine/treatments-nuclear-contamination

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:07 | Link to Comment geminiRX
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America needs higher education standards. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:37 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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Looks like some great info. Thanks for passing this on.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:02 | Link to Comment geminiRX
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I'll take a more optimistic approach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOkAyUmyQko

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:31 | Link to Comment saulysw
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Finest hour? I don't think so - the problems are big in Japan....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c98qdFQF7sw

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:40 | Link to Comment geminiRX
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Guessing makes things worse.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQnNrnt8eMc

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:08 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Hiding the truth makes things even worse.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:15 | Link to Comment tewkatz
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Uhm, I'm pretty sure I see a huge piece of something hurtling down out of the top of the cloud on the left side. 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:16 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Holy Smoke.

And to call it, definitively, a hydrogen explosion.... not sure yet.

Pop goes the weasel though, at any rate.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/axis-trembles/

 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:20 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Unit 3 might just have been pop goes the vessel. I hope not.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:32 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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pop goes the vessel indeed.

ORI

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:16 | Link to Comment ml8ml8
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Is the BOJ PPT buying /es? Or perhaps hedge fund or mutual fund money fleeing the Nikkei is looking for a place to land because they have to have certain equity exposure? 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:16 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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This is under control?

Fucking media whore scientists have been hitting the shows saying it's not that bad.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:19 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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Nuclear power plants keep blowing up... sure its not that bad.. happens all the time.. no biggie.. no blood no foul..

 

http://www.fema.gov/hazard/nuclear/index.shtm

 

Nuclear Power Plant Emergency

Nuclear power plants use the heat generated from nuclear fission in a contained environment to convert water to steam, which powers generators to produce electricity. Nuclear power plants operate in most states in the country and produce about 20 percent of the nation’s power. Nearly 3 million Americans live within 10 miles of an operating nuclear power plant.

Although the construction and operation of these facilities are closely monitored and regulated by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), accidents are possible. An accident could result in dangerous levels of radiation that could affect the health and safety of the public living near the nuclear power plant.

Local and state governments, federal agencies, and the electric utilities have emergency response plans in the event of a nuclear power plant incident. The plans define two “emergency planning zones.” One zone covers an area within a 10-mile radius of the plant, where it is possible that people could be harmed by direct radiation exposure. The second zone covers a broader area, usually up to a 50-mile radius from the plant, where radioactive materials could contaminate water supplies, food crops, and livestock.

The potential danger from an accident at a nuclear power plant is exposure to radiation. This exposure could come from the release of radioactive material from the plant into the environment, usually characterized by a plume (cloud-like formation) of radioactive gases and particles. The major hazards to people in the vicinity of the plume are radiation exposure to the body from the cloud and particles deposited on the ground, inhalation of radioactive materials, and ingestion of radioactive materials.

Radioactive materials are composed of atoms that are unstable. An unstable atom gives off its excess energy until it becomes stable. The energy emitted is radiation. Each of us is exposed to radiation daily from natural sources, including the Sun and the Earth. Small traces of radiation are present in food and water. Radiation also is released from man-made sources such as X-ray machines, television sets, and microwave ovens. Radiation has a cumulative effect. The longer a person is exposed to radiation, the greater the effect. A high exposure to radiation can cause serious illness or death.

How can I protect myself from a nuclear power plant emergency?

Caveat.. FEMA Newspeak...

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:47 | Link to Comment Blankman
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JW

 

Caveat:

 

Iosat Tablets

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 05:57 | Link to Comment ft65
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Quoting Blankman

>> JW n FL Caveat: Iosat Tablets

JW n FL needs another caveat... Make sure Iosat tablets do not interfere with the Lithium and your other "meds."

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:20 | Link to Comment obelisks
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Yes Fox and Friends - fucking wankers speaking with such so called authority

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:34 | Link to Comment robertocarlos
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Maybe it was under control if they did nothing but control was lost when people tried to improvise on the fly. So much for it can't explode.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:41 | Link to Comment duo
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Put it in terms I can understand.  How many airport scanners' worth of radiation will I be exposed to? 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:01 | Link to Comment Mad Max
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At least three, possibly four, rape-scans.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:15 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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now.. if we wanted to roast a really big hawg... the hole is already dug / blasted and the radiation has to work like a really big micro-wave.. fuck people! its a bar-b-que!! pit for all and its good for like 200 years... BYO "enviro suits"! 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:25 | Link to Comment Rogerwilco
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After the Chernobyl explosion, one section of the reactor core was fully exposed. A hotel sold tickets to guests allowing them to go up on the roof a view the beautiful blue-violet glow at night. It also exposed them to a lifetime's worth of radiation via hard gamma and x-rays, but wow, what memories!

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:33 | Link to Comment Iam_Silverman
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"a view the beautiful blue-violet glow at night."

I wonder if that "beautiful blue glow" wasn't the Cherenkov effect caused by the interaction of beta radiation with the fluid (water) in the eye?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:43 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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The glow was from the ionized air.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:10 | Link to Comment BorisTheBlade
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It is indeed, but interaction is with the steam blowing from the core and surroudning moist air, not the fluid in the eye.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:45 | Link to Comment Howard_Beale
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My cousin was in Kiev when Chernobyl blew. She was watching the May Day parade from her hotel room. Of course she knew nothing about the meltdown as it was not broadcast in the USSR.

When she returned to the states, nearly everything she took with her was confiscated due to the radioactive levels.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:42 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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Ahhh...to bask in the warm glow of uranium decay.

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