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Stunning Video Of Reactor 3 Explosion

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This is what a hydrogen explosion looks like. There a several other reactors that are seeing a build up of hydrogen.

And another view. Hopefully the thing dropping from the explosion was not the containment dome.

 

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Mon, 03/14/2011 - 06:07 | 1049469 ft65
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JW n FL /J.E.W.  Are the Iosat tablets interfering with your meds already?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:15 | 1048559 walcott
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US dropped thousands of bombs like that all of the mountains of Afghanistan.

Did nothing except make some more caves for the taliban to hide in.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:17 | 1048560 trav7777
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this is what happens when residual coolant gets boiled off and pressure must be vented.

Maybe they ought to think about ventilating #2 and #4 going forward

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:31 | 1049277 RmcAZ
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Reuters: Fukushima Daiichi plant No.2 reactor cooling functions have stopped, the Jiji news agency is reporting.

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Japan_earthquake2

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:17 | 1048566 Harry Hotspur
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Why don't they just go ahead and cover the entire screen with captioning?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:18 | 1048573 walcott
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if you were standing on the roof of that reactor when that explosion took place.

More than likely you would not have survived.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:38 | 1048708 infiniti
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More than likely?

 

You would evaporate.

 

Nothing left but aerosol mist.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:05 | 1049063 RockyRacoon
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I 'member when Uncle Ray threw his cigarette butt down the hole in the outhouse.

Now there was some containment that failed.  Don't know what caused it exactly, but I'm sure it involved some pinto beans.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:45 | 1049194 RockyRacoon
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Amazing.   They actually filmed it.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:19 | 1048581 Lord Welligton
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Repost.

"That explosion differs from the first.

There is a fireball at the very beginning of your clip.

Hydrogen? Doesn't look like the first one."

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:32 | 1048652 buzzsaw99
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I agree, that looked like steam and debris. Hydrogen would have flamed.

 

Boiler overheats, weakens, blows?

Super heated steam from reactor core?

 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:19 | 1048583 infiniti
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The explosions between #1 and #3 look very different. In #1, there is a visible shock wave that goes vertical, then the material (concrete) goes horizontal. In #3, there is no visible shock wave, and most of the material goes vertical... in big chunks.

 

Not good.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:21 | 1048587 Oh regional Indian
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Every nuclear plant, everywhere int he world, needs to shut down.

Draconian? Hardly.

Death is all ok, but warts and all? 

Human Hubris, such an atlantean moment.

ORI

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:35 | 1048684 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The world is going to get it's energy from one source or another. Nuclear still looks less risky to me than than petrochemicals. How many people died and how much environmental damage was done in pursuit of oil in the last ten years?

If you want the lights to stay on you've got to pick your poison. Not that improvements in energy technology and an end to resource wars wouldn't be a very welcome thing, you understand.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:38 | 1048965 Oh regional Indian
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Crocette, not sure I agree.

Why is so hard for trend-spotters (read investors here on ZH), to read the tea leaves here?

We are at a multi-generational shift, chock a bloc with 6 sigma and beyond events.

There is no return to normal. Candle-light, freak weather and a whole lot of shaking going on might be our immediate future. To not consider it as realistic in the face of Data, not speculation is an ostrich response, I'm afraid.

ORI 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:58 | 1048801 trav7777
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JFC, man, STFU with the hysteria.

Within this period of Chernobyl, radiation alarms were going off in countries 1000mi away.

That has not happened here.  And it most likely will not.  And you are ready to pull the plug on the entire nuclear power industry??

In fact, what has just happened?  One of the few largest earthquakes in recorded HISTORY PLUS a gigantic tsunami!

And STILL the shit hasn't melted down or gone critical or caused a massive catastrophe.  Meanwhile, oil refineries are ablaze...you are pissing into the wrong wind

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:28 | 1048929 Oh regional Indian
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Doode, I suggest you SHUT THE FUCK UP yourself.

What is happenign here is that Engineering designs that were menat to withstand X are being exposed to 6X. Is that simple enough math for you?

Now look at earthquake and Volcano trends for the past 500 fucking years.

See something a little off the charts in the last two?

You represent the hubris I'm speaking off. And your feet are wet in your own piss and you don't even know it.

It's O V E R. Get used it, rascist twaddle. And America is directly responsible. Who the FUCK would build Nukes on Geo-unstable lands? The same twats who would try to put spent fuel in a hole in a mountan that sits upon a massive fault.

ORI

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:02 | 1049493 ColonelCooper
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Easy there ORI.  A little over the top.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:42 | 1050666 Ident 7777 economy
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Jumping the shark is never easy ... or planned.

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:12 | 1049095 Blankman
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T - 1000 miles away from japan is the middle of the ocean

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 03:23 | 1049353 BorisTheBlade
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Point being, should the blowout of the reactor really happen, there's no way to cover it. First, big chunks of Japan would register MUCH higher levels of radiation way outside of evacuation zone, regardless of where the wind is blowing. Second, after some time - possibly in Russia and China, Korea. SU tried to cover up Chernobyl, yet information did go out despite Iron Curtain once nuclear plant workers in Sweden, 1,100 km away from the disaster were tested positively for radiation, it was first attributed to the problems on the plant itself. Plus, there is a whole bunch of effects, which cannot be covered up, i.e. effects on the different layers of the atmosphere.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:34 | 1049281 RmcAZ
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You better get to work building some windmills... a LOT of windmills.

Oh wait, can't build those either... it will kill birds.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 03:04 | 1049327 Oh regional Indian
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Like I said before Rm, the hubris, as clearly exhibited in your sarcastic post, is quite something to behold.

Good luck swimming in a pool of nuclear sparkles and radioactive oily blobs.

Hubris or sheer mind-controlled slavery.

ORI

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 03:17 | 1049341 RmcAZ
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If you don't like nuclear power facilities, then provide a constructive post with a reasonable (see: affordable) alternative to the hundreds of nuclear facilities that are currently operating worldwide to keep yours, and everyone else's lights turned on.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 03:45 | 1049373 Oh regional Indian
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http://squareandc.net

Last 2+years. tremendous pushback. Obviously. 

Forget life-style (which is what most power is used for).

Try life-substance. Invert your perspective.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/axis-trembles/

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:06 | 1049638 BigJim
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The problem is, nuclear isn't affordable either, at least not without MASSIVE government subsidies.

Frankly, I think most people would rather use natural gas and coal and risk putting up with a world that's 1 degree C hotter in a hundred years.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:49 | 1049944 nuscorb
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Here is one:

http://www.kitegen.com/en/?page_id=7

Unlike wind turbines which are limited to the slow and irregular winds near the ground, kites can tap into the stronger and much more persistent winds at 1km altitude and higher. When there is no wind at ground level, there is typically more than enough where kites can reach.

Kites can extract more energy from the no-fly zone above a typical nuclear power plant than what the plant itself produces.

Zero pollution, fully renewable, almost free energy.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:46 | 1050685 Ident 7777 economy
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Unlike wind turbines which are limited to the slow and irregular winds near the ground, kites can tap into the stronger and much more persistent winds at 1km altitude 

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How do they handle Thunderstorms?

Mesoscale weather systems like 950 mb lows with tremendous circulation?

Hurricane remnants that have moved inland?

Any planning for those contingencies (which WILL happen with  far higher frequency than a magnitude 8.9 quake or 30' Tsunami)

 

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:12 | 1052944 nuscorb
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Gee, I don't know, maybe they'd ground the kites until after the storm?

'cause otherwise the obvious risk is that the kites might explode and scatter radioactive material all over that continent.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 05:47 | 1049460 Chumbadumba
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OH BORING INDIAN

I AM CHUMBADUMBA!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:12 | 1049820 falak pema
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Ori, 

You should go to France with your Gandalfian staff and say that to the Central planning nuclear brigade in France, n° 1 promoters of nuclear solution. True sons of Colbert! France has the highest concentration of nuclear generated electrical power in the world : 77%!!! All eggs in one basket. They are up to their necks in this shit and these plants are same time line as Fukushima #1 and #3. All they can sing is we don't want alternate clean energy it's NOT economic, so we can only fall back on oil/gas fossil fuels. Which means dependence on ME or Russia! 

I am praying that the Italians invent PRONTO fast their Kitegen project.  Potentially 1 G watt plants all thanks to kite surfing material and a little grey matter thrown in. Wow, if it works, prototype in construction, its goodbye nuclear!!! Much cheaper and energy efficient than conventional air turbines.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:21 | 1048594 walcott
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Jesus has just landed in Tokyo.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:26 | 1048618 Reese Bobby
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Weird our comments crossed.  But Christ is not God of vengenace.  Although I cannot know the Grace of God the Scipture tells me he is a God of Mercy.  Shame on you...

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:53 | 1048780 buzzsaw99
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Have you read the last few chapters yet?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:25 | 1048916 TomGa
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So I was at YouTube looking up James Earl Jones saying "Mother of God" from Red Storm Rising during the scene in which the October turns directly into the torpedo, but the only thing which popped up was this:

 

Revelation Ch.1-2 (James Earl Jones Narrarates - KJV Bible)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnyr6Y9RD2I

 

Ummm...yeah ok, that's eery.

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:51 | 1049306 Vlad Tepid
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You didn't find it because the movie was"Hunt For Red October."  If ONLY they had made a RSR movie.

 

 "You heard it hit the hull...and I...was never here."  J.E.J.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 06:58 | 1049491 TomGa
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Ooops. You're right! Well, I didn't type the movie name, just JEJ.  Great film, nonetheless.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 05:59 | 1049467 UncleFurker
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Someone's been selectively reading the bible again.

 

 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:22 | 1048596 Reese Bobby
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Death is not sad if you are of God.  Poor Japan...

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:22 | 1048599 jerry_theking_lawler
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wake me up when the BoA fraud comes out and their corporate HQ goes up like fuk#3.....

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:24 | 1048606 bob_dabolina
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This has never been more appropriate...Tyler used to post this vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSjK2Oqrgic

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:24 | 1048609 infiniti
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Here's a better look at it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_N-wNFSGyQ

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:27 | 1048631 Lord Welligton
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Yeah.

That is definitely fucked up.

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:11 | 1049096 Yen Cross
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I'm surprised well spoken one! Nasty language indeed. I think my spelling was proper. I don't need any Pandas crucifying me. I'm a bit short on bamboo right now.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:25 | 1048613 Scottj88
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Spread the word: Nuclear Core Explosion Avoided

http://thehardrightedge.com/ansjapan/

 

March 13, 2011, 7 p.m. EDT Update

Fukushima Daiichi

The hydrogen explosion on March 11 between the primary containment vessel and secondary containment building of the reactor did not damage the primary containment vessel or the reactor core. To control the pressure of the reactor core, TEPCO began to inject seawater and boric acid into the primary containment vessels of Unit 1 on March 12 and Unit 3 on March 13. There is likely some damage to the fuel rods contained in reactors 1 and 3.

At both reactors 1 and 3, seawater and boric acid is being injected into the reactor using fire pumps. On reactor 3, a pressure relief valve in the containment structure failed to open, but was restored by connecting an air pressure to the line driving valve operation.

The water level in the reactor vessel of reactor 2 reactor is steady.

Personnel from TEPCO are closely monitoring the status of all three reactors.

The highest recorded radiation level at the Fukushima Daiichi site was 155.7 millirem at 1:52 p.m. on March 13. Radiation levels were reduced to 4.4 millirem by the evening of March 13. The NRC’s radiation dose limit for the public is 100 millirem per year.

Japanese government officials acknowledged the potential for partial fuel meltdowns at Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1 and 3 reactors, but there is no danger for core explosion, as occurred at the nuclear power station at Chernobyl in 1986. Control rods have been successfully inserted at all of the reactors, thereby ending the chain reaction. The reactor cores at Fukushima Daiichi and Daini power stations are surrounded by steel and concrete containment vessels of 40 to 80 inches thick that are designed to contain radioactive materials.

Fukushima Daini

The Fukushima Daini plants remains in a state of emergency. There is electricity available at all four of the reactors at Fukushima Daini, although there is limited availability of the cooling water pumps at reactors 1, 2 and 4.

TEPCO is working to maintain constant cooling in the primary containment vessels of those reactors. No radioactivity has been recorded outside of the secondary containment buildings at Fukushima Daini, according to TEPCO.

Two other nuclear power plants in the Tohoku region, Onagawa Nuclear Power Station and Tokai Nuclear Power Station, were automatically shut down in response to the earthquake. The four reactors at these plants have functioning cooling systems and are being monitored by plant operators.

The Rokkasho Reprocessing Plant and accompanying facilities, located far north of the tsunami zone in Rokkasho Town, is operating safely on backup power generation systems.

Japanese nuclear facilities are designed to withstand powerful seismic events, such as earthquakes. In this earthquake—the strongest recorded over the past 100 years in Japan—the containment structures of Fukushima Daiichi maintained their structural integrity. These facilities were designed to withstand tsunamis within a range of assumed strength, however the force of the tsunami on March 10 exceeded the assumed range and flooded diesel generators at Fukushima Daiichi power station. This precipitating the loss of power for the reactor cooling systems.

The automatic shutdown of the 11 operating reactors at the Onagawa Nuclear Power Station, Tokai Nuclear Power Station, Fukushima Daiichi and Daini, represents a loss of 3.5% of electric generation capacity for Japan.

Attached to this email, we have the following information:

- This cite is doing a good job of aggregating news stories about the situation so you can track it as it evolves: http://ansnuclearcafe.org/

- Here is a pretty entry-level overview of what is happening: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/12/world/asia/the-explosion-a...

- Here is a more detailed and technical-jargon oriented summary: http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Venting_at_Fukushima_Daiichi_3_1303...

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:24 | 1048614 Cistercian
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 This is really looking like the end of nuclear power in japan.That explosion was so bad, I will embrace the doom of the reactor vessel exploding.The lower walls are hugely thick...and they look damaged.This film will play for eternity in engineering schools as The Worst Case.

 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:28 | 1048643 John McCloy
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Nuclear power plants stand in for about 1.5 million of barrels of oil usage annually so yup..oil is going up so shorting Shaw might not be the worst idea. Just think of the petrol that will be needed just for the earth movers simply to rebuild this part of Japan in coming years. 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:34 | 1048675 Cistercian
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 Yes.And Coal looks real good too.

   Poor Japan....such a horrible disaster.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:47 | 1048732 John McCloy
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One thing I am amazed at is their composure in their face of so many catastrophes. Look at Katrina and the rape, murder and looting as society broke down there over flooding. Haiti is still a mess of destruction and the rubble has not been removed. By this time next year the Japanese will have removed all the debris and returned to as business as usual as is possible and they will pull together and become a stronger nation. 

  My hat goes off to these people because I do not believe Americans could cope with the trifecta of a 9.0 earthquake, tsunami and likely 3 nuclear meltdowns on such as small isle and remain stoic. At the end of the day all humans have the ability to remain as civilized and honorable as they desire for the greater good and I am learning a lesson watching this wonderful culture. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:02 | 1048823 trav7777
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Japan is asians...katrina and haiti are blacks.

Note that there wasn't any looting in indonesia either.

VASTLY more people have died from this than Katrina.  Listen, fucking Katrina was a PICNIC compared to this.  NO was flooded, sure...but the devastation in Sendai is literally apocalyptic.  Things there have been obliterated, annihilated, wiped from the face of the earth.  Yet there will be no looting despite the orders of magnitude worseness of this catastrophe versus Katrina.

But let me just say, George Busch DOES NOT LIKE ASIAN PEOPLE.  Where the fuck is Coonye when we need him???

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:32 | 1049166 ItsEvolutionBaby
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It's true. They are not black and they are not looting, raping, killing etc.

 

Can't argue with that.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 04:19 | 1049392 Mark McGoldrick
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Japan is asians...katrina and haiti are blacks

Very observant.  I heard Germany is full of Europeans and India is mostly Indians - weird how that works.

Your post is such fucking garbage, Trav.  How can a guy as smart as you be plagued with such redneck social values? 

What about the earthquake in Chile last year?  There was non-black looting everywhere; looting is not a race thing.  

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/weekinreview/07mcneil.html

And what about the looting/fleecing of America by the (mostly) white den of thieves on Wall Street, who are incomprehensibly rich and educated by the best universities? There is no looting in history that compares in magnitude to the massive transfer of wealth from 99% of the population to the top 1%. It's pure robbery, and it's nothing but a bunch of greedy fucking cracker asses.   

I enjoy your posts about energy and debtmoney.  Leave your racism in your doublewide. 


Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:15 | 1049668 BigJim
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The Japanese have extremely low crime rates, it's true.

Having said that... there's not much left in Sendai to loot, unless you have a particluar need for firewood and scrap metal.

Also, I seem to recall quite a lot of Japanese looting went on in Nanking - I guess that would be all the Haitian mercenaries the Japanese Imperial Army deployed there, right?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:16 | 1049840 falak pema
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7777=6666????

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 03:29 | 1049359 acrabbe
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There was no "raping" during katrina. That was exposed as sensasionalist hate-mongering news well after the chaos had died down and investigative reporters went in to interview police and stranded residents. Your color is showing, bigot.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 06:53 | 1049489 John McCloy
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  Your what is wrong with people in this nation and your attempts to devolve everything into race. I wish someone would have informed me I was a bigot before I married outside of my race. I speak in facts and absolutes only and there are enough reasons to not like a person if you give them enough time regardless of their skin color. I have experienced more racism by the way since you are on the topic as white male attending NYC public school as a child and teen and seen more racism directed at whites than I have ever seen directed at another race.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1497685/Brito...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 03:29 | 1049361 Glasater55
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Beautifully said. Thanks!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 03:34 | 1049364 acrabbe
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Alot of the murder that occurred during katrina was committed by armed whites picking off defenseless/unarmed black people who were fleeing the flooding and happened to be passing through white neighborhoods. Are we devolving into a pseudo kkk/Denninger forum here? Supposedly as intelligence increases, ignorance decreases.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:44 | 1048735 Iam_Silverman
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"shorting Shaw might not be the worst idea"

As in The Shaw Group?  Dude, they are also involved in remediation and decomissioning!  Sounds like they are ripe for picking up some government sponsored contracts.  Even austerity programs recognize the need to keep those contracts funded.  Short away, at your own peril!

Oh - TSG also is waist deep in combined-cycle plant construction and operation.  What else will the Carbon-Footprint nazis allow them to build as replacement power?

http://www.shawgrp.com/markets/powersvcs/nuclearpower

Services

  • New plant design and construction
  • Operating plant services
    • Engineering
    • Maintenance and modification
  • Decontamination and decommissioning
  • Licensing support and safety analysis
  • Environmental/geotechnical services
  • N-stamp ASME-certified
  • Pipe fabrication
  • Modularization
Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:47 | 1048753 John McCloy
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I only short banks and actually am a fan of Nuclear energy but thanks for the heads up this and a very valid point I overlooked.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:24 | 1048615 ShankyS
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News Flash: Reality does not exist anymore to our governments ot the media.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:25 | 1048616 Lapri
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They are saying in the vid that the fire is raging.

Japanese newspaper says the smoke is darker, and that there may be something else involved than simply a hydrogen explosion.

(Uhhhhgggghhh I still hve to do this math question??? brain's not working, damn it..)

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:27 | 1048622 Hang The Fed
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As much as I hate to use such a horrendous catastrophe as a visual aid, I think it's pretty motherfucking important, given the state of things these days, to remember that our entire way of life is tenuous at best. In this country, it may not even take an enormous natural disaster to render us broke, starving and shivering. Our fucking government is doing it to us in incremental doses, over SEVERAL administrations (so don't give me that Obama vs. Bush bullshit...they're all scum). Further, the reality could not be more clear...we are a subset of the planet upon which we live, and are therefore subject to the ebb and flow of nature around us. The idea that we can somehow supersede such a condition is ridiculous, and the consequences are painful beyond your wildest nightmares.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:30 | 1048648 wretch
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Well said.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:25 | 1048623 UncleFurker
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That was certainly more than just hydrogen going up. That looked like the top of the reactor being blown through the roof.

 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:27 | 1048625 Huck T
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listening to the crack of doom on the Hydrogen Jukebox

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:28 | 1048924 snowball777
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Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone! Moloch

   whose soul is electricity and banks! Moloch

   whose poverty is the specter of genius! Moloch

   whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen!

   Moloch whose name is the Mind!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:26 | 1049148 Oh regional Indian
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Where is that from Snow?

Eerie indeed.

ORI

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:26 | 1048632 robertocarlos
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That ain't no hydrogen explosion.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:33 | 1048680 Hicham
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Please enlighten us about your wealth of knowledge around hydrogen explosions that would convince us about why we should believe you rather than engineers and experts on the ground in Japan? Other than the fact that they are authorities and therefore are wrong/lying/or covering up. They are closest to what happened, you are basing your judgement on a low quality video over the internet, perhaps give them the benefit of the call...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:08 | 1048852 Rusty Shorts
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well, he may have a point.From what I understand, the coolant water is cracking from the extremely high heat ... then what? are you saying that the oxygen is re-oxidizing with the hydrogen in this enviroment?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:15 | 1049514 ColonelCooper
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Until they explain to me how the amount of radiation equivalent to a dental x ray (their highest claimed figure) can be sending people to the hospital, and forcing an aircraft carrier to move from its position 100 miles away, I'll accept the word of anybody on this site as equivalent to theirs.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:36 | 1049900 -Michelle-
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Actions certainly do speak louder than words.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:28 | 1048634 walcott
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so what can anybody do?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:30 | 1048651 Cistercian
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 Stay away from the cloud...far away.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 03:26 | 1049357 Oh regional Indian
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Fukushima risks
 
Potential health consequences of the explosion at the Fukushima reactor in Japan
 
Below we offer basic advice for people living downwind of the releases of radioactivity.
 
On BBC Radio 4's The World This Weekend, 13th March, Dr. Chris Busby spoke about the potential health effects of the Fukushima explosion. Listen here (the site may prompt you to download software to enable you to listen. Dr. Busby's interview is 9 minutes into the broadcast).
 
Dr. Busby said the reassurances being issued now by official sources and by apologists for the nuclear industry are exactly the same as those issued 25 years ago, at the time of Chernobyl. Risks were understated, as show by subsequent epidemiological studies.
 
Statements about allegedly low health risks are based on rates of gamma radiation measured at the site perimeter. These take no account of radiation from alpha-emitting radionuclides such as Uranium and Plutonium. It is of particular concern that the number 3 reactor at Fukushima which is now in a problematic condition is fuelled with Mixed-Oxide fuel containing Plutonium.
 
The health consequences of exposure to radioactive releases from nuclear plant cannot be accurately assessed by making radiation measurements based on absorbed dose. The authorities already downplay risks on the basis of the false radiation risk model advised by the International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP). This is an exact replication of the responses to the similar Chernobyl explosion. The effects of the Chernobyl accident have been devastating and continue to affect the health of the exposed populations as far away from Chernobyl as Europe and the USA. 1A major volume published in 2010 by the New York Academy of Sciences reveals a death toll of approaching 1 million persons by 2005.
 
Absorbed dose readings (milliSieverts) cannot be employed as measures of risk because some radioactive substances act from within the body, with especially high risk imparted by those that bind to DNA (e.g Strontium-90 and Uranium). Dose to the local tissue or DNA can be enormous while the average dose recorded by a Geiger counter may be barely detectable. (More information)
 
If significant amounts of radioactivity from the Fukushima plume approach populated centres in any country (e.g. the western USA) the European Committee on Radiation Risk advises:
 
Do not believe assurances from radiation protection advisors working for any government. They are based on an obsolete model. This is a potential Chernobyl level event and must be seen as extremely serious.
 
If possible obtain a Geiger Counter or a similar radiation detector or readings from someone who owns one. If the readings increase to more that twice the normal background in your area or to a level of more than 300nSv/h (300nGy/h) then:
 
Get away as soon as possible to a clean area. If it is not possible to evacuate, stay indoors and keep all the doors and windows closed for as long as the radiation levels are higher than normal. Try to keep the house sealed as far as possible.
 
Drink bottled water, use only tinned milk. Avoid fresh garden produce. (We acknowledge that this is difficult advice for the people of Japan, where local produce is economically important.) Await further bulletins on this site and ECRR
 

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:24 | 1049699 BigJim
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Thanks. This is a lot more believable (and historically consistent with how governments behave in crises) than the panglossian smoothery I've been getting from the MSM.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:37 | 1049910 -Michelle-
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And my husband thought it was funny when I bought a Geiger counter; he's not laughing now.

Geiger counter, NukAlert detectors, KIO3, solar shower...  all things we have packed up neatly in our storeroom.  It just sucks to even think we might have to use them.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:10 | 1050184 JW n FL
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Be a Girl Scout...

Be prepared...

Either you are ready or your not and the pass fail curve is harsh when playing for keeps.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:29 | 1048644 robertocarlos
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How long until the fallout hits America? Should I tell my relatives to stay inside?  

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:35 | 1048693 bob_dabolina
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I'm not a meteorologist but from my loose knowledge it could be as soon as days.

 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:45 | 1048739 robertocarlos
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Mine was a trick question. The fallout has already hit America.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:00 | 1049216 Misstrial
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For nuclear fallout exposure its potassium iodide, not iodine as stated in the article you linked.

Amazon sells potassium iodide tablets:

http://www.amazon.com/iOSAT-Potassium-Iodide-Tablets-130/dp/B00006NT3A/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top/181-3490602-2237059

~Misstrial

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 03:02 | 1049324 serotonindumptruck
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You may want to consider the purchase of calcium (not oyster shell) and magnesium supplements to offset any strontium uptake.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:14 | 1049105 geminiRX
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You Americans are so reactionary. Stop watching CNN and Fox and calm down. I didn't see anyone on the west coast freaking out when you dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan and did mid air blasting over bikini atoll, nor did you worry when they did above ground bomb testing in Nevada while you were playing craps.  Your relatives are statistically more likely die in a traffic accident on the way to work. And what makes you think you have that much control over life itself?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:15 | 1049253 Stranded Observer
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We didn't have CNN and FOX and the internet back then.  Not that I was around then. . .

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 08:29 | 1049708 BigJim
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Wow, you are just a fount of stupidity today, aren't you?

No one on the west coast was 'freaking out' about the 2 nukes back in 1945 because the risks weren't known.

As for the idea that taking reasonable precautions is equivalent to thinking we 'have that much control over life itself' - I suppose you cross the road without looking first? No? You do? What a control freak.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:32 | 1048646 Stuck on Zero
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Flipping unbelievable that that was allowed to happen.  In the 1800s they learned how to avoid explosions like that with catalystic converters and blow-out disks.

The only explanation can be that it was the pressure vessel, uranium fire, or a main coolant line let loose.

 

You realize that if they had bothered to dig the reactors in below sea level they could have been flooded and there would be no issue whatsoever.  What frikkin idiots the nuclear designers are.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:40 | 1049289 RmcAZ
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You should have spoke up sooner... they could have installed a massive catalytic converter and avoided this whole mess.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:29 | 1048647 PulauHantu29
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Can you please place a quarter next to it so I can get some perspective?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:42 | 1049292 RmcAZ
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http://english.kyodonews.jp/photos/assets/201103/0314033.jpg

These are not tiny buildings... see people in picture for size comparison.

<Insert short Asian people joke here, you assholes.>

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:31 | 1048649 Money Squid
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While some would look at the images and describe what they say as an "explosion" we need to put things in a more technical perspective, since we are dealing with a complex technical system this event can be more accurately described as an "energetic disassemblement."

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:21 | 1048899 Odd Ball
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Dematerialization...

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:31 | 1048657 Mae Kadoodie
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At this point are there really personel on site monitoring all this?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:39 | 1048720 Lord Welligton
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Good point.

And. Is there any monitoring equipment left functional.

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 04:01 | 1049385 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Graveyard shift will be in any minute now.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:32 | 1048666 bankonzhongguo
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That explosion is normal.

Hey look! 

Charlie Sheen is with a baby wolf!

FYI - I went out to the FEMA website earlier today to see what their perspective was on all things Japan.  Sure the quake and wave were there, but not a single use of the word "nuclear."  I tried to post something about it on their public blog, but they said it had to get approval. The blog comment dates (absent) were also interesting.  I am waiting for the FBI to show up at my IP address.

I am looking for "canaries in the coal mine" on this deal.

Any ideas for first signs of bugout - bugin?

Its clear you can't trust the face saving Japanese.  Somehow after POMO, TARP and QE Team Obama will not be anymore forthcoming.

I am reading the USAF base memos in Japan to gauge if there is any bugout movement or base lockdowns.  Also, it would be interesting to know the exact whereabouts of one Albert Arnold Gore.  Is he sunning in Newport Beach or Menlo Park, or are people moving to Aspen bunkers?  I just want to be ahead of the hysterical traffic jams.

Anywho.  You can substitute potassium iodide with kelp pills to protect your thyroid with a 2 week regimen.  I think.

Good luck to everyone.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:34 | 1048673 Convolved Man
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Better call up BP and order another Top Hat.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:34 | 1048677 Vampyroteuthis ...
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If this was the big one it would look like my avatar. I picked this avatar out 2 weeks ago, it is a Nevada testing.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:35 | 1048687 cpnscarlet
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Don't you remember the Challenger explosion in '86 - H2 and O2!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:41 | 1048980 UncleFurker
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Yeah and the WHITE clouds it produced.

That was nothing like a white cloud in the reactor explosion.

 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:35 | 1048692 walcott
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Japan hires Tony Hayward as spokesperson for ongoing disaster.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:37 | 1048695 Mad Max
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TO INFINITY - AND BEYOND!!!

 

On a darker note, this whole thing is assuming a nasty feeling reminiscent of 9/11/01.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:25 | 1049146 geminiRX
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Time to invade another country?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:37 | 1048701 echomikealpha
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get yer potassium iodate ready!!!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:37 | 1048954 UncleFurker
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Potasssium IODINE.

Do NOT take potassium IODATE.

Never, ever.

Oh, unless you're a banker or part of the two party political system.

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:33 | 1049278 Fernley Girl
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Iodide.  Not iodine or iodate.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 09:46 | 1049929 -Michelle-
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KIO3 is potassium iodate and is recommended over potassium iodide.

http://www.kio3.com/faq.htm

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:04 | 1049229 Misstrial
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Potassium iodide tablets. I live 12 miles from Diablo Canyon reactor on California's Central Coast.

http://www.amazon.com/iOSAT-Potassium-Iodide-Tablets-130/dp/B00006NT3A/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top/181-3490602-2237059

~Misstrial

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:38 | 1048707 cocoablini
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Uh, make that 7 trillion more Yen now.
God, can this get any worse. Is the US doing anything commensurate for a total wipeout of the Japanese coastline as far as aid. Shouldn't we have like an entire division landing there. It looks like they are running out of time. I've seen all this stuff in Godzilla movies and now its real.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:40 | 1048709 QQQBall
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Did the Messiah play 18 or 36 today?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:51 | 1048781 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Did he nap before or after SportsCenter?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:18 | 1049261 CrazyCooter
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For those in the US (Alaska/California/Oregon/Washington) you can follow jet stream predictions on two sites:

http://www.stormsurfing.com/cgi/display_alt.cgi?a=npac_250

... and ...

http://squall.sfsu.edu/scripts/nhemjetstream_model.html

Cooter

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:09 | 1049239 Misstrial
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Not sure, however he did party with reporters today:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/2011/03/obama_gets_laughs_at_first_gri.html

~Misstrial

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:39 | 1048713 walcott
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CNN reports " It's actually quite normal for a nuclear plant to explode like this.

and melting down may actually be beneficial and help the healing process"

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:41 | 1048731 Lord Welligton
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What?

That is patently insane.

Who are these people?

Are they people?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:55 | 1048795 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Haven't you ever met someone that is brainwashed by media propaganda?  They repeat everything they're told!

Baa baa blacksheep, have you any wool?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:32 | 1049163 Oh regional Indian
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No sir, no sir,

For i am just a tool.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 02:12 | 1049243 CrazyCooter
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Per wiki, this is 4 of 6 on the meltdown scale. That is, hydrogen explosions.

Cooter

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:08 | 1049501 walcott
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CNN is insane.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:06 | 1050176 bankonzhongguo
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Watching CNN last night and their "video" of the exploding #3 reactor was nothing like the NHK.  They only show a grainy slow steam plume.

That is done on purpose.

Why would CNN NOT run the dramatic video of a nuke reactor exploding.

Watch the CNN video and then watch what foreign press is pumping out.

That is the final nail in the MSM coffin.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:34 | 1048766 ebworthen
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"It is quite normal to bailout banks using the assets of individual citizens and their children's future, it will be beneficial and help the healing process of the markets."

Up is down, zero is infinity, and there is a great deal of money to be made on reconstruction.

Let's get WWIII started so the reconstruction comes sooner, eh?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:43 | 1048714 walcott
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Obama flying to Tokyo to meet Jesus. Yeahhh!

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:40 | 1048715 QQQBall
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Did the Messiah play 18 or 36 today?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:41 | 1048724 robertocarlos
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The workers inside reactor number 3 are reporting that the containment vessel has not been breached.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:43 | 1048734 jerry_theking_lawler
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have you seen this video...how are the workers in "reactor number 3" able to report anything?? that was a massive explosion that i am afraid no one in the area could survive...even in a reactor below ground....

this information is getting very fishy

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:48 | 1048755 robertocarlos
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I know. I was just reporting what the heads of the Japanese govt agency are reporting to NHK. Maybe the worker was inside the containment vessel when the building exploded so he wasn't injured. He was checking out the blue violet glow.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:16 | 1048885 avonaltendorf
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Tokyo Electric Power Co. says three workers have been injured and seven are missing after an explosion at the stricken Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 04:10 | 1049390 MayIMommaDogFac...
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They're talking about the guy that actually works inside the core.

He's sort of like the guy that turns the light off and on inside the refrigerator, except he wears a different suit.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:52 | 1048778 Iam_Silverman
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"how are the workers in "reactor number 3" able to report anything??"

Well, they aren't exactly in the reactor.  The operators monitoring the system are in the control room - and although it is close to the reactor building (secondary containment), it is quite removed and has several missile shield walls between, along with its own ventilation system equipped to remove gaseous radionuclides with carbon beds (adsorption).

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:58 | 1048807 robertocarlos
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Thanks. See what happens in a crisis. We can't figure out simple possibilities because we have preconcieved notions about the truth. 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 04:13 | 1049395 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Let's go with IN THE REACTOR.  At this point this seems perfectly reasonable and consistent, given everything else.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:43 | 1048740 Lord Welligton
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What workers?

They're dead for fuck sake.

Or maybe you forgot "/sarc"

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:48 | 1048760 robertocarlos
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No I posted word for word what was told to NHK. Maybe something was lost in translation.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:10 | 1049093 Harlequin001
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Looks like the workers in reactor number 3 are now outside reactor number 3...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 06:34 | 1049479 Mentaliusanything
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The workers inside reactor number 3 are reporting that the containment vessel has not been breached.

But they reported later that they couldn't feel a thing-------- not one fucking thing. The seven that are missing failed to report back to their Supervisor. Thats a real pissoff in Japan. Let's face it this is becoming comically inane. Its unfolding as they tell you it is. Can't panic house poor/unemployed and possibly armed West coast Americans.

The Markets, for goodness sake think of the Stockmarket and all the money they spent to get it back from the edged.

Kar poooooom 

 

 

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 07:29 | 1049537 Bicycle Repairman
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"The workers inside reactor number 3"

LOL.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:41 | 1048725 ebworthen
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Military giving "Tsunami" warning but Meteorological Agency said there was no risk of another deadly wave.

Nikkei down -4.5%

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:41 | 1048727 jerry_theking_lawler
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CVS pharmacy online: iosat potassium iodide sold out....it was there this a.m.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:36 | 1049180 snowball777
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Same at redflarekits.com where my order went through yesterday.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:41 | 1048728 davepowers
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the NYTimes suggests that they're having trouble getting sea water into reactors

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/japan-fukushima-nuclear-rea...

 

"To pump in the water, the Japanese have apparently tried used firefighting equipment — hardly the usual procedure. But forcing the seawater inside the containment vessel has been difficult because the pressure in the vessel has become so great.

One American official likened the process to “trying to pour water into an inflated balloon,” and said that on Sunday it was “not clear how much water they are getting in, or whether they are covering the cores.”

The problem was compounded because gauges in the reactor seemed to have been damaged in the earthquake or tsunami, making it impossible to know just how much water is in the core."

 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:31 | 1048938 Quixote2
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An incident I observed 45 years ago with a fire engine required wiring down the govenor on the diesel engine to get more rpm and increase the pressure to overcome the difficulties.   Note:  this resulted in bursting the fire hose and backflow of undesirable material from a 1/2 mile long pipeline that actually expands some from high pressures.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:44 | 1048741 Nate Taggart
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That explosion appeared to be much more directional.  Focused almost as if the energy release occured deeper in the shielding structure.  Much slower energy release as well, not like a hydrogen explosion.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 00:35 | 1048949 Quixote2
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Could have been rupture of secondary containment pressure vessle boundary surrounding the core vessle proper.  Would still launch the concrete shield covers over the whole shebang.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 23:49 | 1048748 mt paul
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very bad ..danger

lotz of grey concrete dust

in this explosion..

that was a blown out containment vessel 

very bad ..danger ..

 

don't need a weatherman

to know which way

the wind blows... 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 01:30 | 1049159 geminiRX
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You should worry more about bed bugs 

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