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Stunning Video Of Reactor 3 Explosion
This is what a hydrogen explosion looks like. There a several other reactors that are seeing a build up of hydrogen.
And another view. Hopefully the thing dropping from the explosion was not the containment dome.
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Another reason for retail and REIT stocks to rally tomorrow, and PM's to get smashed.
Convincing arguement. I especially like the part where you back up your opinion with historical facts and data points.
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Convincing arguement. I especially like the part where you back up your opinion with historical facts and data points.
no one appreciates robot's humor anymore.
Well we obviously do.
They may not be traders.
Then again, they may have no sense of humor.
Speaking of having no sense of humor, your juvenile avatar offends me and prevents me from viewing ZH at work and my boss could look in and shut me down. So do us all a favor...
How many bong hits?
one
You must be in one of those states that still allows Salvia consumption.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_PrQoLhf6Q
When the end of the world is near, people will naturally spend all their cash and max out all their credit cards to enjoy themselves for as long as possible. Some might be more hopeful and buy useful supplies in the event they might survive in the coming Mad Max theater of a freakshow.
But retail stocks will soar, no doubt. The more frivolous, the higher!
anybody know worst case scenario definitively? Can this crap meltdown
and cause even more shit?
A superheated cloud of high level radiation, over a hole full of very bad toxic waste, would be a worst case.
An moderately extensive area would be rendered uninhabitable and a lot of folks would get cancer.
You know, the usual.
A complete melt down is "unlikely". To the best of my knowledge: The units (1&3) are shut down and poisioned with boron injections. Control rods are up and locked in place. So the reaction is shutdown.
Problems I see:
The RHR (Residual Heat Removal) and other systems apparently are not functioning -- not very well at least.
Problem is heat right now. Residual heat.
Sea water is dirty (salt particulate, etc.) - so garbage in -- and really nasty shit out - really nasty. Radwaste tanks are most definately full to the max. So they are probably bypassing (using condensate makeup in) and recirculating and dumping... to sea?
The hyrogen explosions are basically dirty bombs - that particulate is definately "hot". If any spent fuel is involved (carried in the explosion) it is hot enough to abandon that part of Japan for the next few thousand years. I don't beleive that is the case at this time.
If the integrity of the fuel pools or the containment vessle cover are compromised that will be fighting thes units for an extended period.
If the cooling is not maintained and the residual heat builds up and fuel bundles melt (either spent fuel or bundles in the reactor): I'm Taking my wife to Smith and Wolenskys for a lobster cocktail, a porterhouse, a bottle of Cask 23 Stags Leap Cab on credit. Then I'm flying to the Southern Hemisphere on credit. Then ordering Eagles from APMEX for my remaining credit to be shipped to me in Peru. There won't be any banks in the Norhern Hemisphere to collect on my credit bill in a month.
Just kidding, you'll be fine. Stay where you are - don't panic. Breath deep.
Futures up just go to the mall and spend...
G.W. BUSH
Not good.
Note: The fuel pools are NOT in the containment (they are outside and above). Hopefully the water remains in the pools. In these older units the pools are used to store spent fuel bundles in racks - they must remain covered with sheild water. (There is no cover over the pools.)
This is a serious mess.
If the spent fuel pool is indeed above the primary containment, I can't quite believe that the water in the pool won't be vaporised or blown off by such a big explosion. They have to be exposed partially to the elements, if not completely.
A Tragic MESS
Reuters is reporting that the Japanese authorities would not confirm or not whether the hydrogen explosion had led to an uncontrolled leak of radiation.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/14/us-japan-quake-explosion-idUSTRE72D0GZ20110314
It seems pretty fricken obvious to me that if they aren't confirming it, the reason is that the answer is YES.
+ 1,000
the age of " double speak " has well and truly arrived
I highly recommend this documentary:
Blue Gold
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1137439/
What's George Bush doing in Paraguay?
Ok, first off I'm NOT a nuclear engineer, just a chemical engineer. But if I remember correctly, water comes apart into hydrogen and oxygen at about 2800 degrees. What do you think the metal container is like at 2800 degrees? Melting, I would guess. I think that the core of that reactor is merrily melting down to the water table. Not too bad for us, but REALLY bad for local real estate values.
Oh boy, another crackpot idea...
/rolleyes
I suppose you also think jet fuel can't melt steel I-beams?
After the explosion at the first reactor, I read that the hydrogen is liberated when water reacts with the fuel pellets' zirconium cladding at 1200 degrees. But you are still right about at least a partial meltdown at the first reactor, because cesium-137 was detected after the explosion.
Looked more like a SCUD exploding.
"Hopefully the thing dropping from the explosion was not the containment dome."
Really. Funny how this stuff goes. The plants were built to withstand the quake itself and did but the back-up generators weren't protected against a water surge which would logically accompany a major offshore quake. Ooooops.
No kidding. Japanese have been dealing with Tsunami's from the beginning. They forgot to put the backup systems out of harms way?
Too worried about Rodan/Gamera/Mothra/Godzilla/and Giant Robot.
Where is that kid Johnny Sako and his watch. Giant Robot could go in there and pure cement on the reactors.
Really sucks. They may owe the World a bit of an apology. Good luck getting that however.
3 workers injured, 7 missing.
If no one mentioned that yet.
NHK just reported 6 injured but conscious.
I'll take the over. And as a side bet: they're dead and glowing.
hasn't been mentioned yet that I've seen.
if they are truly trying to add water via fire fighting equipment then the loss of personnel is another bad problem.
but the previous jackbag said the workers were safe in the 'control room'....unfortunately i understand control room design (i work in a chemical/steam plant). i do know that my control rooms are built with explosion reinforced blast walls and air filtration systems too. the control rooms have just as many safety factors built in as the operating equipment. if the workers injured in this explosion were in the control room, then the containment system is probably breached....just an assumption.
How much shielding is installed in your control rooms?
hasn't been mentioned yet that I've seen.
if they are truly trying to add water via fire fighting equipment then the loss of personnel is another bad problem.
Will the Japanese as a country, be picking up and moving to America, Europe, Canada, South America shortly?
They will not be moving to Korea or China,,,, that much I know.
Thoughts?
I have room for the right Woman (divorced).
Reminds me of the day I happened to catch the coverage of a shuttle launch and I saw something odd at lift-off and wondered what it could have been .... 73 seconds later ...
some timeline detail here:
Or the time I was on an Amtrak train right below Mt. Shasta, and everyone woke up for some reason at about 6 AM....then the cell phones started going off. Columbia disaster.
Tokyo Electric is now reporting a possible complete core melt on Reactor number three.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-14/hydrogen-explosion-occurs-at-nu...
No way, man. Do you have any idea of the kind of rebar they use?
I for one welcome the end of the world in 2012 !
I welcome as well the new beggining in 2013.
As for Japanese people, my condolences and best luck rebuilding their country.
I believe if anyone, they can do it.
Seriously now, remember to keep taking your Zyprexa
Do sock puppets like you get paid by the message or do you have to punch a clock?
Japanese Government spokesman reporting that the reactor core has not been breached on unit 3. Ok. One can have a complete core melt and still maintain reactor integrity....or are we just getting conflicting info again?
Well in theory it would take some time for the molten fuel to take out the bottom of the vessel. Like maybe 6 hours. Maybe it's just sitting there right now.....
OECD-NRC report on TMI vessel integrity makes for informative reading at a time like this....I like chapter 4.
http://www.gl.iit.edu/govdocs/resources/tmi2vessel.html
Melting point of steel=1,450 centigrade, so given what we've seen, we could be very close if they can't get a new cooling source on it pronto. I assume the entire makeshift seawater cooling apparatus has been destroyed in the explosion.
Yes, it takes time, and in theory, although the reactor vessel may melt, the boron-infused, thick concrete of the basemat should hold the fuel puddle inside the containment. It is commonly known in the industry that a melted fuel mass at the bottom of the steel reactor vessel will likely melt through, that is why below that is a concrete embedment zone, and below that a multi-feet thick basemat.
Look...there are a thousand journalists there now. There is NO WAY to hide a catastrophic core ejection. Radiation dosimeters will be going haywire everywhere and people will be capable of uploading videos of them to youtube.
If that is what has happened, the truth will out very quickly.
You are...pretty much correct. Add to that US military surveillance planes in the area with detectors for radionuclide's, radioactive noble gases and various radioactive emissions , and satellites that are designed to detect Krypton-85 - mainly to detect weapons facilities - but Krypton-85 would be in abundance in a uncovered fission event. Of course, most of these satellites are interested in the Middle East:)
well, the prevailing premise around here among the growing moonbat flock is that the Illuminateral Commissionbergers are keeping the whole thing a secret and lying nonstop.
The point I am trying to make is you CANNOT hide radiation if the core is being ejected. The increase in gamma flux will be IMMEDIATELY and unmistakably apparent to anyone within many miles with a dosimeter. Even if the governments conspired to not release the news, there are simply too many people too close with radiation dosimeters who would almost immediately note a significant increase in rem or sv count. And they will TweeterBookTube this within minutes of noting it.
I think you are probably right, if I was a producer sending a reporter to cover a nuclear event, I woul make sure they had a dosimeter with them, and understood how to read it.
The Pentagon was expected to announce that the aircraft carrierRonald Reagan, which is sailing in the Pacific, passed through a radioactive cloud from stricken nuclear reactors in Japan, causing crew members on deck to receive a month’s worth of radiation in about an hour, government officials said Sunday.
The officials added that American helicopters flying missions about 60 miles north of the damaged reactors became coated with particulate radiation that had to be washed off.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/14plume.html?_r=1
The problem I have with that story is the "the Pentagon was expected to announce." that sounds like a story waiting for a reliable source.
I think you two guys are missing the point.
There's a 20 km exclusion zone. The only people who will be monitoring radiation levels will be 'officials' and company hirelings.
And how many civilians do you know have geiger counters? Despite the fact you can get ones to hook up to a PC via USB for $150?
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9848
Sorry, could get. They're out of stock, for some reason.
(the figer guy)
"well, the prevailing premise around here among the growing moonbat flock is that the Illuminateral Commissionbergers are keeping the whole thing a secret and lying nonstop."
just wanted to highlight it.
Damn glad I am not an IC.,....nice tits, BTW.
I have to dispute this. You think information flow is not totally controlled? Come on, Man. We live in a controlled information matrix. An event of this magnitude is certainly being info-managed with heavy resources. The geiger counters may very well be deployed. But who's to say this data would make it to the broadstream via twitter,facebook, a blog, youtube, etc?
I just think it is grossly naive to assume that we know what's going on because if something was going on we'd hear about it. Am I missing something here trav?
If this a meltdown and total failure, GE and its media assets will report this straight up with no spin whatsoever. They'll just let the chips fall where they may. Que sera, sera.
Excuse me, but I left my copy of the New York Times somewhere.
TEPCO's latest (according to parameter>!)
Press Release (Mar 14,2011)
White smoke around the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 3 At approximately 11:01am, an explosive sound followed by white smoke occurred at the reactor building of the Unit 3. It was believed to be a hydrogen explosion. According to the parameter, it is estimated that the reactor containment vessel remains intact. However, the status of the plant and the impact of radioactive materials to the outside environment are presently under investigation. Some workers have sustained injuries. Ambulances are on their way to care for them. TEPCO continues to take all measures to restore the safety and security of the site and are monitoring the site's immediate surroundings.
"impact of radioactive materials to the outside environment are presently under investigation"
Anyone there got a geiger counter?
If you look at that smoke column long enough you can make out the face of Pat Robertson.
Aw man...I had Oral Roberts' face on a sanitary napkin...there goes another round of Jesus Freak Bingo.
the blond on Fox News just cut off their talking head pundit who was getting ready to explain that #3 has 'different fuel.'
Getting too close to the "core" there, heh, heh.
Where are those anonymous documents?
if there has been a core breach, we will start seeing radiation alarms going off everywhere. There are manifold journalists with dosimeters within range of this plant. In the event of any catastrophic core ejection, the truth will become known very rapidly and there is no way to suppress it. Too many boots on the ground, too many twitters, too much youtube.
Who's marketing Facebook, who's frontrunning Twitter? Oh yeah, the same ones with algo experience the commoner can only dream of.
trav, would have to disagree with you. That's almost a "shill-like" assertion. Psychological warfare is a real and pervasive tactic and a great deal of it has to do with information and perception management. Just because something catastrophic is happeneing, it doesn't mean you will hear about it. Especially if very powerful interests don't want you to hear about it. That's no moonbat conspiracy theory...
"That's almost a "shill-like" assertion."
LOL.
(repost)
There's a 20 km exclusion zone. The only people who will be monitoring radiation levels will be 'officials' and company hirelings.
And how many civilians do you know have geiger counters? Despite the fact you can get ones to hook up to a PC via USB for $150?
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9848
Sorry, could get. They're out of stock, for some reason.
I read somewhere that geiger counter usage was not permitted in NYC.
Can anyone corroborate that?
Some here have commented that a meltdown cannot be hidden. The control of geiger counter data is just one way the authorities will try to control information flow.
The first video is the same video everybody (on YouTube) has! Blow being soaked up at :12 in is the dead giveaway!
Core breach synchronized to Anon doc release....priceless
The personell all went home to be with there familys. Nobody is monitering this, nobody is at the plant. Look at the stupid parking lot. We will read the history books and realize how bad the situation really was.
and because "nobody is at the plant," the history books are supposed to tell us WHAT, exactly?
Will people who have no facts, and only biased conjecture, ALL please SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY?
nobody is there. Just like Cops during Katrina. They went home. You think these guys stayed on job? The only one who should shut the fuck up already is you.
stupid faggot
It's not a bloody Mc'Donalds to take off in a middle of the day after kitchen blew up.
New York Times:
Military Crew Said to Be Exposed to Radiationhttp://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/14plume.html
Anbex inc.
Sendai weather report shows snow tomorrow with rain and flurries through Wednesday. Temperature will be 0 to low single digits F.
Those hydrogen explosions would have sent some pretty strong shock waves into the containment structure. Would that have caused any damage inside the vessel? We will know soon enough I guess.
Yeah and the fuel pool above the containment.
They would, if the outer reactor building walls were not designed to act as a safety release for overpressure. Mainly the upper metal panelled walls above the refueling deck are the safety valve, and the lower apron is of concrete. In a perfect accident world at a nuclear facility, you do not fret over the loss of the upper vent walls, but you do not desire the lower apron to go, since it connects (weakly) to the central core system. But, nuclear plant design takes into account these wall blowing out. But, that creates the opportunity for falling debris to do damage to critical systems. A nuclear plant is built on a chain-of-defense concept....assuming at all times that no matter what happens, the central core (not necessarily the steel reactor vessel) will remain intact no matter what happens. Which also brings up the understanding in the industry that all accidents are a chain-reaction (a bad term, but inside joke) of events.
the nytimes article about the radiation on the Reagan said it was on helicopters. It's possible the Reagan copters went close in to the reactors to get a better looksee, getting the 'particulate' exposure there vs. way downwind. Maybe.
Actually it's both the carrier and unspecified number of heli crews:
"The Pentagon was expected to announce that the aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan, which is sailing in the Pacific, passed through a radioactive cloud from stricken nuclear reactors in Japan, causing crew members on deck to receive a month’s worth of radiation in about an hour, government officials said Sunday.
The officials added that American helicopters flying missions about 60 miles north of the damaged reactors became coated with particulate radiation that had to be washed off."
God bless the Navy--always multitasking.
Can you provide a reliable reference on that?
No, but here is the NY Times story.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/world/asia/14plume.html?_r=1
lol
on a serious note, could 'particulate' radiation come just from the supposedly controlled pressure venting from the reactors?
Yes, if the HEPA/carbon filters are not functioning or if they are being bypassed or are not operational. Even if they are 100%, they do not catch everything...probably 95% efficient. Your question is, BTW, a very good one. Gas emissions usually dissipate quickly, particulate emission are a very problematic issue.
That story makes me concerned that radiation would spread so fast. It is worth reading the entire article. Let us hope that if significant radiation is on its way to the US our fraudulent leaders can for once tell the truth...
How can Japan ever recover from this....
Let us hope...the US...fraudulent leaders can for once tell the truth...
Please tell me you took the red pill. If not, how did you get here?
I think reactor 3 went into a meltdown and what you saw was the water building up pressure and once it got to strong it blew the whole reactor housing. Believe me, a steam pressure explosion of just little pressure can do damage one that lifts tons of material had to have cracked the main containmet of the core. In an explosion people always see individuals dying from the shrapnel and the heat/flame from the explosion. But what you never see is the people who get killed from the overpressure and/or blast wave. Watch an explosion in slow motion and you see a ripple in the atmosphere from the explosion, of any type. This tend to obliterate everything in it's way because of the high atmosphere pressure that is in the wave. The closer you are the atm could be hundreds of thousands in difference to sea level atm and it reduces exponentially the farther the wave go. Imagine this being pressed on every cm of space on a structure, thats why structures break apart.
They are saying on CNN that the 6 guys (pumping water on the reactor #3) in this explosion are conscious and recovering.
Hu ?
"nyuk-nyuk-nyuk!" "Ruff-ruff"!
At this point, there is no evidence to support that position.
The personell all went home to be with there familys. They have been gone since saturday. Nobody is monitering this, nobody is at the plant. Look at the stupid parking lot. We will read the history books and realize how bad the situation really was and the Japanese certainly will never stop apologizing for leading us to believe otherwise.
Where "on-line" are you guys seeing the most up-to-date info being broadcast?
I don't want to turn on my State Run TV!!! Please help...
ZH is the best so far.
This is a pretty good link to a number of different feeds:
http://www.livestation.com/channels/123-nhk-world-english
Al Jeezera
Also, if US helicopters 60 miles north of the reactors got coated with hot dust, isn't Anderson Cooper possibly also covered in hot dust right now? He was only 30 miles north for his report tonight....
News update!
"Our own Anderson Cooper's eyebrows, nose, lips just blistered off his face. Here he is to tell us about it... "
"mmuph mooff muph"
Guess they didn't tell him that every time one evac zone is cleared, they declare another one. Bummer, eh?
he didn't seem to know where the plants were or how far away when he got news of the latest explosion. 'Do I need to get outta here?!?'
Not to worry, I saw this before on "Safety Third". (Mike Rowe-Dirtiest jobs)
This is why he gets paid the big bucks. Besides, on a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero. Deal with it. If history is to be believed, we'll all be dead for a much longer time than we will have been alive.
It's the practical definition of the "fear of God".
Looks like one of the leading experts on the former Soviet state, Sarah Palin, who can see Russia while shooting at moose from her front porch tire swing, may soon be able to add nuclear ("newclar") fallout experience to her extensive CV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2jEcBqKdbQ
Pete, I weep that you were junked for that post.
LOL
It was just the Earth Farting.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
So you believe engineers get things right?
Following "Reactor head hole" section copied from this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis-Besse_Nuclear_Power_Station
Reactor head hole
In March 2002, plant staff discovered that the boric acid that serves as the reactor coolant had leaked from cracked control rod drive mechanisms directly above the reactor and eaten through more than six inches[10] of the carbon steel reactor pressure vessel head over an area roughly the size of a football (see photo). This significant reactor head wastage left only 3/8 inch of stainless steel cladding holding back the high-pressure (~2500 psi) reactor coolant. A breach would have resulted in a loss of coolant accident, in which superheated, superpressurized reactor coolant could have jetted into the reactor's containment building and resulted in emergency safety procedures to protect from core damage or meltdown. Because of the location of the reactor head damage, such a jet of reactor coolant may have damaged adjacent control rod drive mechanisms, hampering or preventing reactor shut-down. As part of the system reviews following the accident, significant safety issues were identified with other critical plant components, including the following: (1) the containment sump that allows the reactor coolant to be reclaimed and reinjected into the reactor; (2) the high pressure injection pumps that would reinject such reclaimed reactor coolant; (3) the emergency diesel generator system; (4) the containment air coolers that would remove heat from the containment building; (5) reactor coolant isolation valves; and (6) the plant's electrical distribution system.[11] Under certain scenarios, a reactor rupture would have resulted in core meltdown and/or breach of containment and release of radioactive material. The resulting corrective operational and system reviews and engineering changes took two years. Repairs and upgrades cost $600 million, and the Davis-Besse reactor was restarted in March 2004.[12] The U.S. Justice Department investigated and penalized the owner of the plant over safety and reporting violations related to the incident. The NRC determined that this incident was the fifth most dangerous nuclear incident in the United States since 1979.[3]
A friend from college, enrolled in a nuclear engineering program, was a co-op student working at this facility in 1976 and since the reactor had not yet been activated, he was able to give me a personal eight hour tour of the complete facility -- cooling tower, pump house, turbine room, control room, reactor containment from top to bottom. The containment building was designed to withstand the impact of a fully loaded 707 traveling at max air speed. Do not recall whether or not it was designed to contain a hydrogen gas explosion.
They knew about the hole! The DB reactor head had visible damage during the previous refuel - they knew it.
Another plant was so crapped up that some workers on the refueling teams received more recorded radiation exposure during a few days then they did during their entire career previous working at other plants.
Civilization is coming unglued!
That's why we have DUCT TAPE, Dude.
That was just a water pump.
/sarc
Lots of venting while missing the point entirely. Does the cleanup and rebuild bring closer the day when the JGBs blow up!
That is the actionable question!
I suspect it does.
? Unit 1 and 3 are done. evidently going out with a bang though.
Not withstanding the saltwater...certainly politically done:)
Saltwater aside - both had failsafe boron injection to prevent further reaction and to assist in cooling. Back up the concrete trucks.
Which is a shame.Until the forensics are complete, and new designs come out...I think nukes are done in Japan.I also expect these films of the explosions will be used to scare others out of considering nuclear power as well.
I think nuke plants are great...if they are excellently engineered and maintained on a safe site.I expect costs will cube as a result of this for new construction.
But this sucks...big time.What the heck will they use in the interim?They are losing capacity at warp speed!
Nukes? In an earthquake zone? By the shore? In tsunami country?
Well nobody saw this coming.
Yes, indeed. We can't blame anyone for this - it was totally unpredictable.
I was going to plant a garden this year. Not sure its safe now... BH from Upstate NY...
This sucks for everyone, everywhere.
You will be fine.....forget the doom-sayers on what is going to happen, Even if those plants suffer total melt, it is likely the containments will do their job. If they don't, if you watch prevailing wind charts, the US is not likely to get any fallout, even if the reactor vessels rupture. Plant your veggies....you are 7000 miles away.
Just buy the all the soil, seeds, fertilizer and water NOW.
And I'm sure you can retrofit a standard greenhouse with leaded glass.
Said at 6 EST to short the YEN.
Guess that was too simplistically silly for most here.
So what about this then just in......
" Tokyo Electric Power Company says unexpectedly powerful tsunami caused cooling system failures at its nuclear power plants in quake-stricken Fukushima prefecture.
The reactors have not been cooling properly at the Fukushima N0. 1 and No. 2 nuclear power stations ever since the cooling systems failed after they were hit by tsunami. It is unknown whether they can be restored.
TEPCO says the water-drenched equipment and machinery short-circuited after the power plants were submerged in sea water on Friday."
I don't believe a fucking thing they are saying about the threat of nuclear contamination. It's all bullshit, they would rather expose millions of people to radiation then cause alarm that might tank their precious markets. Watching the video makes it pretty obvious that there is a major OUT OF CONTROL problem. The government of Japan can't be trusted as they have more debt then us and need to keep the Yen propped up. Where the hell is Obama? Not one word from our government? Silence is deadly and there must be concern otherwise he would have addressed this. I live in Northern California and would appreciate some real information as to the risk of contamination hitting the West Coast. But we all know that won't happen because as I stated before they would rather keep the markets going and not freak out the 8th largest economy in the world. It's pretty obvious watching the MSM that nobody knows what the fuck they are talking about. I'll no it's time to leave California by tommorow afternoon, if the markets close green on this total disaster I'm fucking out of here because it will be clear my familys health doesn't matter one bit.
Radiation will lose a lot of oomph traveling across the Pacific, don't panic.
Very bad reporting from the media, agreed.
And you are right, they are blowing smoke.
You don't lose power to the plant, say everything is fine, have an explosion in #1 and say everything is under control, then have a much bigger explosion in #3 and say that everything is fine.
Meanwhile, military annonces a phony tsunami alert.
Not hard to see that they do not know exactly what is going on, or do not want to tell people so they don't panic.
Better to die a slow death of cancer with morphine than trampled in a stampede perhaps is the thinking.
Dude
Take a deep breath and calm down !
Just make sure you take your iodine tabs first.
Tell that to the thousands of people in the Gulf region bleeding from their fricken ears! Everything is ok sheeple, didn't you see the president taking a dip with his kids and eating the shrimp? Maybe the Japanese can come up with some cool names for their contaiment efforts like top kill or junk shot to keep us all entertained? I just followed the money trail for TEPCO and I don't like where it led me. Looks like another good reason to keep everybody in the dark...literally!
Operation "global population management" starts out slow, but has a big finale.
I'm with ya buddy.
I'm up in the same area as you I don't want to be anywhere near a freeway if things get any weirder.
Just secured an abandoned mine off the beaten path in gold country to bug-out to. Short travel time and a far better shelter. Pretty grim existence, but better to have plan ahead of time than rounding up the family to driving to Truckee only to run out of gas with 100,000 desperate nut-jobs.
Between the half lives, atomic weight and distance of any fallout, I don't think the West Coast is in any peril a la 'On the Beach.'
You have to look at the fallout maps from Chernobyl to understand that nowhere is really safe. How could folks in Finland know they would get Ukrainian fallout?
But then again, only the paranoid survive.
Good God! The stories about surviors are poping up now. One old man found alive 10 miles out a sea on debris, and this one:
JAPAN EARTHQUAKE TSUNAMI SURVIVORS FOUND DAYS LATER IN CAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBfLwRmutZsRather than clearing CVS out of potassium iodide, these are the stories people should be focusing on. Much more productive....
Thank, Jesus! We're all gonna live!
OK, everybody back to work.
latest from TEPCO
Press Release (Mar 14,2011)
White smoke around the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 3 (2nd release) At approximately 11:01am, an explosive sound followed by white smoke occurred at the reactor building of the Unit 3. It was believed to be a hydrogen explosion. According to the parameter, it is estimated that the reactor containment vessel remains intact. However, the status of the plant and the impact of radioactive materials to the outside environment are presently under investigation. (previously announced) As of 12:00 am, 4 TEPCO employees and 2 workers of related companies have sustained injuries (all of them are conscious) and ambulances are on their way to care for them. As of 11:44 am, the measured value of radiation dose near MP6 is 20?Sv/h and the radiation level remains stable. TEPCO continues to take all measures to restore the safety and security of the site and are monitoring the site's immediate surroundings
"it is estimated that the reactor containment
vessel remains intact."
LOL.
start searching the locals
for radioactive box cutters.....
OK folks, let us ponder the US contamination potential. There are a couple of bad bad things that can come out of this kind of accident: cesium and plutonium the worst. If a steam explosion or persistent fire puts these elements into the jet stream, yes, that is not good here. BUT unlikely to be very bad, either. One would have to figure the dilution etc. to be more specific, but the Chernobyl plume was something I remember going into the university physics building to see twitch the needle on the dosimeter...really nothing.
There are some low probability scenarios with plutonium that could result in a general toxic exposure here. Like those scary space shuttle stories. But it's not easy to create an airborne suspension with the right dispersal.
There are monitors on Midway Island that so far haven't seen anything (they say). The USS Ronald Reagan apparently did hit the plume at sea level, but sea level is not a problem for CONUS (continental United States). You can find all the radionuclide monitoring stations using the filters at this site:
http://www.ctbto.org/map/
But I don't think there are real time data from those stations posted on public web sites.
Bottom line: contamination potential in the US is remote, and if there is any it'll be more or less global, so why worry? Nowhere to go in any event. I am not losing sleep over that aspect of this incident.
Countless numbers of above ground and atmospheric nuclear explosions (tests) occurred in the last century - we've all been exposed to low level isotopes since infancy.
Not countless, finite.
And there is a reason they were discontinued.
They were too poisonous.
Assclown.Or should we recommence atmospheric testing?According to you, everything would be fine,right?
How about Castle Bravo once a month.It looked really cool....yeah, that's the ticket.
15 Megatons of maximum performance piercing the night....this is Black Sunshine.
There is a serious correlation between post-WW2 atmospheric nuclear testing and worldwide cancer rates. This information has been suppressed of course, due to the implications for healthcare and OTHER liablities to governments, defense contractors, etc...
Exactly. This is where the cancer epidemic came from.
Yes. The open air nuclear tests were all mother's milk. What a bunch of gripers!
I guess that might explain increased cancer rates, hmmm?
Dammit. Since the explosion of #1, I found a diagram of the BWR structure used in the Fukushima reactors.
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/energy/26506/?p1=A5
Makes it clear what happened with reactor #1. H-O explosion in the upper, non-reinforced section.
Unfortunately, it also makes it pretty clear what must have happened with #3, to produce that very strong vertical jet of brown ejecta. There's no way the flimsy upper building structure could have focussed an explosion like that. The only explanation is that the main pressure vessel blew upwards, throwing off the heavy concrete cap.
If it's true the US military forces in Japan are doing a runner, I'd bet on that.
OK TH look at the diagram. (first off know this is like a cartoon cut-away of an empty house without all the furniture and crap shown in it)
See the concrete floor at the top? This is the Operating Floor. Now see the Concrete Plug and side walls above the containment and reactor vessel?
To the right and left of that plug are the fuel pools. These plants are 35+ years old. Those fuel pools (or at least one side - spent fuel pool) are probably filled with used fuel bundles. If the water in those pools drains out (through cracks caused by the explosion or simply blown out of the pool) and those spent fuel bundles are exposed to the air -- that is not very good.
If the spent fuel is exposed it could heat up separate and an uncontrolled reaction potentially could start. WITH NO WAY TO CONTROL IT.
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Can spent fuel pools be drained with explosives?
http://pogoarchives.org/m/ep/ep-spentfuelpools-NAS-5102004.pdf
Why isn't anyone talking about this in the media or online! THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED! I assume that the government is discussing this, as it is the biggest potential threat to wide-spread human saftey.
Consequential damages from an uncontrolled spent fuel reaction could be devestating.
I am not making this stuff up.
http://us.magnetrol.com/applications.aspx?application=99
quote:
Come back you cowards! Saving the world my ass.
ROUND-UP: U.S. NUCLEAR EXPERTS COMMENT ON JAPAN REACTOR CRISIS
WASHINGTON, D.C.///March 12, 2011///The following comments were made today
by U.S. nuclear experts on the rapidly evolving Japanese reactor crisis:
Peter Bradford, former member of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission:
"An early tipoff that Japanese authorities felt that events at Fukushima were very serious was the ordering of an evacuation within a couple of hours of the earthquake. Though the area was small and the evacuation was called 'precautionary,' the fact is that ordering several thousand more people into motion during the immediate aftermath of a major earthquake and tsunami is something that no government would do if it could possibly help it. Neither Three Mile Island nor Chernobyl were accompanied by natural disasters. Even then, authorities were loathe to evacuate, in part because evacuations are themselves dangerous and in part because they are admissions of a major failure. But with natural disasters you have many people moving about in panic anyway. They have no place to go. Traffic lights aren't working. Roads are closed. Transport is disrupted. Police have other responsibilities. Many are seeing to their own families. Only gravest danger would justify an evacuation at such a moment. The viability of US emergency plans at densely populated reactor sites may have to be reexamined to determine whether they can be implemented in the context of a nuclear accident precipitated by a natural disaster. This was always a theoretical possibility. Now it's real."
Arjun Makhijani, Ph.D., President of the Institute for Energy and Environmental Research:
“The Japanese authorities seem to be working from a standard nuclear industry playbook whose byline seems to be ‘What me worry?' A frank appraisal of what is known and not known and the potential range of damage and consequences would be much more reassuring in that the public could at least have some confidence in the pronouncements of the authorities. That range could run from moderate to serious to catastrophic – at present it is just too difficult to tell, not least because official verbal reassurances about low radiation levels stand in stark contrast to repeated increases in the radius of evacuations.”
Ira Helfand, MD, Physicians for Social Responsibility:
"It is not known how much radiation has been or will ultimately be released from the damaged Daiichi nuclear reactor in Japan, but as found by the National Academy Sciences, any exposure to radiation increases a person’s risk of cancer. No one, including the plants operators, can say what is going to happen, and potentially millions of people are in harm’s way. The Japanese government should be preparing for the worst-case scenario. After one year of operation, a commercial nuclear reactor contains 1000 times as much radioactivity as was released by the Hiroshima bomb. From a public health perspective, the most important isotopes are short-lived isotopes of iodine (like Iodine-131), Cesium-137, Strontium-90, and possibly Plutonium-239. Radioactive iodine caused thousands of cases of thyroid cancer in children after the Chernobyl accident. Cesium and strontium cause a number of different kinds of cancer and remain dangerous for hundreds of years; plutonium causes lung cancer as well as other types of cancer and remains deadly for hundreds of thousands of years."
For additional background information, please refer to
http://www.psr.org/nuclear-bailout/japan-earthquakenuclear.pdf