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Summary Of Key Health Threats From Fukushima Radioactive Substances

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Now that both food and drinking water in Japan have been confirmed to be tainted with various stages of radioactive toxicity, Reuters provides a quick summary of the impact the three key fallout isotopes (Iodine 131, Caesium 134 and Caesium 137) have on human health, and what to look for to determine if one may have injested just a tad too much of those glow in the dark shoots...

From Reuters

Below are the three radioactive substances
health experts are most concerned about, their detected levels in Japan
and what they mean for human health:

Iodine-131

Leafy green vegetables in Japan were found this week to contain up to 22,000 becquerels of iodine-131 for every kilogram.

Such a level exceeds the limit set by the European Union by 11 times. Becquerel is a measure of radioactivity.

Eating
a kilogram of such vegetables would give half the amount of radiation
typically received by the average person from the natural environment in
a year.

Eating this amount every
day for 45 days will accumulate 50 millisieverts, the annual radiation
limit set for a nuclear plant worker. Millisievert quantifies the amount
of radiation absorbed by human tissues.

Exposure to 100 millisieverts a year increases the risk of cancer. That is equivalent to about three whole body CT scans.

If
inhaled or swallowed, iodine-131 concentrates in the thyroid gland and
increases the risk of thyroid cancer. Children, fetuses and young adults
are especially vulnerable.

The
risk of thyroid cancer can be lowered by taking potassium iodide pills,
which helps prevent the uptake of the radioactive iodine.

However,
iodine-131 disintegrates relatively quickly and its radioactivity is
halved every 8 days. This means it loses all its harmfulness in 80 days.

Caesium-134 and Caesium-137

Vegetables in Japan have also been found tainted with up to 14,000 becquerels of cesium for every kilogram.

That exceeds the EU limit by over 11 times.

Eating
a kilogram of such tainted vegetables every day for a month would
accumulate radiation equivalent to a full body CT scan - or 20
millisieverts.

External exposure to large amounts of
radioactive cesium can cause burns, acute radiation sickness and death.
It can also increase the risk of cancer. Ingesting or inhaling cesium
allows it to be distributed in soft tissues, especially muscle tissue,
increasing cancer risk. It can also cause spasms, involuntary muscular
contractions and infertility.

Unlike iodine, uptake of radioactive cesium cannot be prevented once the person is exposed.

This substance is of more concern than iodine-131 because it is very hardy and takes far longer to disintegrate.

Caesium-137
has a half life of 30 years, meaning it takes that long to reduce its
radioactivity by half. It will take at least 240 years for this
contaminant to exhaust all its radioactivity.

Caesium-134 has a half life of 2 years, which means it will take about 20 years for it to become harmless.

Below
are the effects of short-term, high-level exposure to radiation, as
published by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Unlike cancer,
these effects from acute radiation exposure usually appear quickly,
causing what is known as radiation sickness, which includes symptoms
like nausea, hair loss and skin burns. If the dose is fatal, death
usually occurs within two months.

* Exposure to 50-100 millisieverts: changes in blood chemistry.

* 500: nausea, within hours.

* 700: vomiting

* 750: hair loss, within 2-3 weeks

* 900: diarrhea

* 1,000: hemorrhage

* 4,000: possible death within 2 months, if no treatment

* 10,000: destruction of intestinal lining, internal bleeding and death within 1-2 weeks

*20,000: damage to the central nervous system and loss of consciousness within minutes, and death within hours or days.

 

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Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:47 | 1095443 Yield2Greatness
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Must suck to be in Japan now.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:13 | 1095557 Harlequin001
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Whatever the cost of nuclear energy, they would have been better off with coal.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:25 | 1095619 Flakmeister
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No they wouldn't... go back to the cave you crawled out from....

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:59 | 1095762 Highrev
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Going back to the "cave" just might be the only viable option we have.

The energy ratio (energy out/energy in) in agriculture has decreased from being close to 100 for traditional pre-industrial societies to less than 1 in most cases in the present food system, as energy inputs, mainly in the form of fossil fuels, have gradually increased.

 

However, transport energy consumption is also significant, and if included in these ratios would mean that the ratio would decrease further. For example, when iceberg lettuce is imported to the UK from the USA by plane, the energy ratio is only 0.00786.

 

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/5045

That's ludicrous, wouldn't you agree?

It's all pie in the sky until we begin to factor in real costs.

This of course is just an example that highlights ALL of our dysfunctional energy policies that ultimately lead to gross overpopulation of the planet.

We need to start thinking sustainable (and that most certainly means a major reduction in energy use). There is NO other answer (other than self annihilation).

Want to learn more about this? Google "energy ratio" and you'll be out to a good start.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:28 | 1095904 Flakmeister
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I can assure you that I am very familiar with EROEI... You might find the following to be of interest:

http://flakmeister.blogspot.com/2011/03/drilling-down-in-oil-patch.html

I am currently working on an article describing various ways to invest in securities backed by real energy, not paper..

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:12 | 1096141 Highrev
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That last paragraph wasn't meant to be a slight. It was meant for the vast majority who might not know much about the issue.

Sorry about that.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 16:13 | 1096606 Flakmeister
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No slight taken...any comments on the link I provided?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:30 | 1095924 Aquiloaster
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+1 Efficiency and sustainability are the names of the game. 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:59 | 1096272 Dr. Acula
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No, it is the term EROEI that is ludicrous.

The crude contrivance EROEI cannot bridge the yawning chasm separating the sciences of physics and of human action - one causal, the other teleological.

The science of physics does not recognize the economic value of any quantity of energy; or where nuclear reactions or relativistic speeds are involved, mass-energy. In the realm of physics EROEI is identically unity.

And the science of economics does not ascribe any significance to the physical magnitude of energy. For economics, it is only people's subjective valuation of the energy and the objective exchange value of the energy that signify.

EROEI provides understanding of neither the physics nor economics of any situation. It is a phantom.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 15:08 | 1096314 avonaltendorf
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Doc, you gotta get off the government teat. EROEI is ROI measured in calories/BTU/bbls. It takes about 1/5 bbl of oil to lift, refine, and distribute 1 bbl that can do useful work. Emphasis on the useful.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 15:43 | 1096410 Dr. Acula
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>It takes about 1/5 bbl of oil to lift, refine, and distribute 1 bbl that can do useful work.

And yet this information is of absolutely no value in deciding whether it is worthwhile for me to consume, or to produce, a barrel of oil. Even if it requires consuming 10 bbl of oil to distribute 1 bbl of oil (EROEI 0.1), it may still be worthwhile if the oil is urgently needed by a buyer offering a high price. And a process with an EROEI of 10 is not superior if the capital expenditure required is too great.

Why do people deliver charitable goods to assist Japan? After all, it consumes energy to deliver the goods and it yields no energy. The process has zero EROEI. The reason people do this is that people seek psychic profits (the removal of felt uneasiness), which cannot be measured in bbl, ergs, joules or foot-pounds.

EROEI is a useless and absurd amalgamation of concepts from two very different sciences. Playing childish games with numbers is not a substitute for understanding.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 16:06 | 1096552 Flakmeister
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You obviously don't get it, or are deliberately trying not to.

Here is a simple example...

Say you have a coal mine and you need to burn 80% of the coal to power the pumps. You may make some money, but you are going nowhere fast.

Carry it to the limit where where the amount of coal you burn  to power the pumps is such that the income from the net coal is incapable to support the infrastructure/labor etc... Clearly you are doomed.

That is what EROEI is...

Very simple eh?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 16:41 | 1096642 Dr. Acula
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>Here is a simple example...

OK. Let's hear it.

>You may make some money, but you are going nowhere fast.

Wait, I thought we were talking about energy! Now you are saying that entrepeneurs are actually interested in money, and not in joules? i.e. you are using financial ROI and not EROEI?

>the income from the net coal is incapable to support the infrastructure/labor etc... Clearly you are doomed.

"Income"? Again, you are assessing the situation from the point of view of financial ROI. You act as if it's the laborer's paychecks that matter, not their physical labor in joules!

>That is what EROEI is...

But you were talking of financial ROI. If you were using EROEI then you wouldn't have to factor in negligible things like, say, the paychecks for the labor, or the capital expenditures for the infrastructure.

Why do you pretend to defend to EROEI and then immediately switch to using financial ROI to assess an economic situation?

Clearly, you've used financial ROI to appraise the situation because EROEI is a pointless absurdity.

If EROEI was useful than the runoff from your operation that poisions and kills a bunch of children would be irrelevant, because physics doesn't ascribe to it a representation in joules.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 16:43 | 1096789 Flakmeister
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So bloody predictable... You typed exactly what I expected.

You are correct, the economic activity stops before you hit the EROEI wall. Pretty obvious though, no points for that. 

So at what level of EROEI can human civilization function? It has been estimted for a non-technical agrarian society the value is 1.2. In this case, the E is food. We are currently around ~12, but falling fast. For example, the Athasbascan Tar Sands are currently around 3-5 depending on the details of the deposit being mined. What this implies is that of the 2 mmbpd, the real production is closer to ~1.5 mmbd (I have equated NG with oil for simplicity).

Corn to Ethanol is on the whole about 1. In otherwords you could not power a society on it.

There is another factor involved that you overlook. As EROEI goes down, an increasing fraction of activity is involved in the Energy business. There is less to spread around to support other activity.

The fact that you appear to understand ROI and not get EROEI is astounding.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 17:04 | 1096871 Dr. Acula
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>You are correct, the economic activity stops before you hit the EROEI wall. Pretty obvious though, no points for that. 

Your statement is nonsense. There is no "EROEI wall". A firm that consumes petroleum to produce children's plastic toys has zero EROEI and it is quite economically feasible.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 17:18 | 1096954 Flakmeister
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What the fuck does a toy maker have to do with anything? He is a consumer not a producer. He is living off the fat so to speak.

You don't understand the economic leverage and activity arises excess energy. Because we still have an EROEI of 12 or so means that some fuckwad can make toys out of plastic and still make money.

What happens when Exxon has to use 25% of its reserves to produce the rest?

Do you think that off-shore rigs are created out of nothing? That it does not cost energy to mine ores, make steel? Or to spin the drills?

A classic example somewhat related was the Herman Goering IronWorks proposed in 1934 or so. It was to be massive steel complex, it was shitcanned when someone figured that net steel production in Germany was not going to rise for 15 yrs or so.

So here we are with about 1.25 trillion barrels of goo or stuff that can be turned into goo, upon which essentially our entire transportation infrastructure relies. We had better come up a source of energy with adequate EROEI over the next 20 years .... 

You still have not addressed my point on Ethanol.  

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 18:49 | 1097021 Flakmeister
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  I'll lay a gedanken on you:

Imagine you are on some reasonably large island, you have all the technical manuals you need, a large enough workforce, ability to produce food at ~2 x subsistence levels and the a priori knowledge that resources exist in the ground but you dont know where. There are also a few common ores, Fe, Cu etc... that can be exploited by hand labor. You have some but limited wood; i.e. enough to provide implements, housing materials. The replenishment rate for the wood is such that you are in steady state at current consumption.

What do you do? You know how to drill for oil, mine for coal, build windmills, solar panels, whatever. But you must create the infrastructure with the available excess energy you have.

You could say, we burn all the wood to smelt metals and dig for coal or drill for oil. You had better find it before the wood runs out. Because when the wood is gone, you are fucked.

That my friend is the parable of EROEI. 

Edit: Actually, you are fucked before the wood is gone. You are fucked earlier than that. Just like Easter Island

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 16:06 | 1096548 Dr. Acula
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>It's all pie in the sky until we begin to factor in real costs.

Highrev, which position are you in that enables you to factor in other people's costs?

>that ultimately lead to gross overpopulation of the planet.

Please educate us on what the optimum population of the planet is, and on which group(s) should be liquidated.

>We need to

Are you a socialist?

>Google "energy ratio" and you'll be out to a good start.

If you are referring to EROEI, it is, as explained above, a flawed concept wholly devoid of meaning.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 16:06 | 1096554 Flakmeister
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See my post above....

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 17:13 | 1096935 mkkby
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Conservation will only make a tiny difference.  What really needs to happen is world population needs to come in line with sustainable resources -- probably less than 20% of the current number.

Where do I come up with that number?  80% of the world population has an income of $10 a day or less.  That indicates that there aren't enough resources to go around for at least that many.  A sad but true fact. 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 03:46 | 1098640 jmc8888
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No, man must increase his energy flux density capability.

It's called fusion.  No, it's not pie in the sky, and anyone who thinks so is an idiot.

There isn't a thing called overpopulation in an infinite universe. 

But you see, as long as one runs a monetary system, there is no money for capital investments.  Especially in terms of a manhattan project for fusion.

All the overpopulation talk is fascist bullshit, by non-thinkers, who merely falsely believe they are 'thinking', when in reality they are doing the opposite and closing their minds off to any solution, by deeming the possible, impossible, based on sophistry. 

We've explored 0 percent of space.  Which means 99.99999999999999999999999, and then some, of the raw materials potentially available to us (that's why we use our heads), are yet to be procured for our needs.

There's also fusion arc, which when made, will provide us with ample supplies of elements 1-92. 

There's no lack of water, just a lack of desalination plants.

There's no lack of materials on the earth, just the energy to pull them from the crust.

All because we decided to shut down the progress of man in lieu of monetary games, and allowed the population of man, to soak up the gains we had made while on a different course.  (monetarism in this way was like a basketball team, putting in its subs, who then proceed to take a 30 point lead, and start chucking 100 foot shots on every possession, and then tried to say....see it's impossible to win)

All needless, all reversible, and no need for a bunch of bs to be spewed about how we need to kill ourselves off to be 'sustainable'.

That's all complete bullshit, by people who either have been taught to believe man can't do it, and/or never realized that man COULD do it.

Fire was a bigger leap to the 'caveman' than fusion would be to modern man.

We're SO close, yet many somehow believe, the answer lies backwards, instead of forwards.....after we've come this far?  People forget the history of humans, and how we always find a way, as long as we aren't self destructing ourselves.

Well, we're self destructing ourselves, and just because a bunch of idiots are doing so, doesn't mean that is inherently man's level of ability.

There is no overpopulation.  There is no dead end ahead that we must go down.  If we hit the ground, it's because the monetary idiots tied a rope to our ankles just before THEY jumped off a cliff.

The reason there is not enough resources to go around, is because of MONETARISM.  It's not a good allocation of resources, and does not strive to provide enough, because scarcity makes profits.  Scarcity keeps others down, so they won't be able to 'afford' resources.  People make 10 bucks a day, because the monetarism deems it so.  People live in squalor, because monetarism forces it.  Our technology is decades behind (just from the last 40 years of monetarism) because of monetarism. 

When gov't can utter credit, outside the realm of monetarism.  I.E. Hamiltonian Credit System, such projects can be undertaken EASILY, and continually, as the need is appropriate, and through that, the wealth of a nation drastically increases.  The sad fact is, because of monetarism, every person on this planet lives a poorer life because the diktats of monetarism will not allow nations to become self-sufficient through projects that would increase the wealth of each of a country/region/planet's citizens.

The reason why so many 'think' we are overpopulated, is because for decades, and in some countries centuries, 'the people' have been prevented from doing what's necessary to procure the resources they need and discovery the technology and practical applications of such technology, that they must have.

Instead we focus on the self-fulfilling prophecy of monetarist induced scarcity, and how we must bend over for it, instead of destroying it.

As an American, I KNOW we can destroy it, and once we do, there is absolutely nothing to stop resources to be in ample supply to every person on this planet (a much higher number than now) sometime between the middle to the end of this century.

Of course, if we believe the bullshit inherent in monetarism, we could rot in hell, needlessly, all the way to bankster profits.

I reject such a bullshit future, because it isn't real, it's manufactured, and it won't continue to fool the people for very long.

Glass-Steagall and shove monetarism up the monetarists asses.

Burn the bondholders instead of the people.  Burn the derivatives, the mbs/cmbs, the bailouts, the no nothing future of imperial monetarism.  What a bullshit way to live.

Quit believing the bullshit fascist imperial monetarist sophistry.  Instead, focus on true American ideals, which are a Credit Based system, achieved through a Glass-Steagall cleanse of the system and great capital investments which increase the productivity of the land per square kilometer.  Investments that last decades, or centuries, and increase supply....whether they be energy, water, space program science driver, transportation efficiency, etc.  

Or you could choose the fascist way, and die with the rest, needlessly.  Your choice. But it really is that clear and simple.  People that somehow beleive in the fascism, were flat out taught wrong, and truly aren't thinking.  That's the reptillian part of the brain, projecting fear into the real world and changing your direction until you are trapped into a corner, or into a pit of quicksand.  If we based our future plans on our genetic past, where does one believe we'll needlessly go?

There are enough resources in this universe, and man can figure out how to reach, create, or both --them.  But we'll never reach them if the idiots are in charge.  Good thing eventually humans realize their errors, kick out the idiots, and given all we as humans need is to reach back into our American Patriot bag to recreate the best laws we once had and enjoyed, including, but not limited to, Glass-Steagall (tried and true), and American (Hamiltonian) Credit System, doing so would both end the manufactured monetary crisis that currently plagues us and lend us the ability to engage in the real projects that will ensure mankind will never be 'overpopulated' in a universe teeming with supplies and space. Anyone arguing otherwise is a fool.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:30 | 1095926 TruthInSunshine
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Arnie Gundersen, Nuclear Engineer with Fairewinds Associates, Inc, with an excellent video explaining the travesty that is now unfolding at Fukushima, where dispersion stacks are not working, where 70% of the fuel has failed, 6 to 8 cores in 3 Reactors have failed/melted, breach has taken place at Reactor 2, radioactive gases are experiencing 'ground level release' (much higher concentrations than what TEPCO or Japanese Government has reported), and where 'building wake effect' is taking place, significant contamination was taking place as far away as 40km as of yesterday (1,600x background radiation [noble gas clouds emitting gamma rays] - with more to come and further out, and 0.9 surface contamination as measured in MegaBequerels per square meter - HOTTER THAN HOT SPOTS AT CHERNOBYL.

 

Video:

At 40km from Fukushima Daiichi, already higher surface contamination than hot spots at Chernobyl, and radius growing

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:31 | 1097817 Element
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That's one disturbing video TiS, what bothers me is the effects on the rural food-bowl, already seawater damaged, covered in debris, soil profiles disrupted by water erosion, now radioactive.

Can't go in there to farm, and probably couldn't eat it, even if you could grow there one day soon.

And wind patterns seem to be less than ideal today and tomorrow as well.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:14 | 1095560 oh_bama
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Once there is a 1 quadrillion yet QE you would like Japan again.

BOJ---YOU GUYS NEED TO DO IT NOW!!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:31 | 1095641 zice
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When dissembling is over , head to ground.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:45 | 1095445 hedgeless_horseman
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Japan's order to stay indoors for those close to the reactors, rather than evacuation, will leave a stain on many a soul.

A Zytron suit, Scott ProMask w/ CBRN filter, Iodine Tablets, and a kick-start 4-stroke parked on an upper level of the parking garage with Sta-Bil in the tank goes a long way to mental peace for the urban worker on the new frontier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHoPYLQvnQM

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:51 | 1095726 fuu
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They were told to stay inside so that when they die no one will see them for a while. Out of sight out of mind. Later the bodies can be cleaned up and lumped into the tsunami deaths.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 08:55 | 1098982 Kobe Beef
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fuu shows an extraordinary understanding of Japanese psychology here. And no, I'm not being sarcastic.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 13:31 | 1095731 fuu
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duplicate

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:50 | 1095447 Golden monkey
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That's all?

I understand better why they will let those smoking plants uncovered for months...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:46 | 1095448 Caviar Emptor
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My sinuses have been way more clear since the radioactive cloud hit the US. So there is an upside. 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:49 | 1095452 Golden monkey
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Don't worry, the smoke is moving up.

- Ben Bernanke

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:10 | 1095541 Ahmeexnal
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Sergei, do you know if the BioRobots have volunteered to help TEPCO?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:01 | 1095763 Golden monkey
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iRobots on premise, but not allowed to operate.

Don't forget : we are looking at "valuable power assets". Think twice, money first, nevermind smoked sheeple.

For the bio thing, well, the US have war(s) prisonners. Did you know all the one Canada got in Afghanistan escaped in one single shot? (no kidding).

Ship them all to Japan, that's the key.

They were hoping for a meeting with Allah anyway...

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:47 | 1095454 Careless Whisper
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as long as everyone avoids those contaminated veggies, everything will be a-okay.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:19 | 1095576 TomJoad
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That's a FauxNews Op-Ed that reads just like an advertising supplement. Just sayin'.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:15 | 1095844 redpill
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Maybe it would be better if they called it a "sponsored post" ?

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:40 | 1095689 Double.Eagle.Gold
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Article written by a major military lobbyist, the kind of thing you can bet your grandchildren's lives on...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:50 | 1095462 umop episdn
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Reuters has a few things wrong...of course. For example:

Eating a kilogram of such tainted vegetables every day for a month would accumulate radiation equivalent to a full body CT scan - or 20 millisieverts.

Eating Caesium-134 and Caesium-137 'hot' nucleotides is much worse than getting blasted from an external source. You don't have to eat green-sharts-producing amounts of veggies to get ill. I hate the MSM with a passion.


Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:17 | 1095538 flattrader
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There's no mention of the Strontium 90.

Do you have a handle on what an "acceptable" level might be?

Edit--

Oh damn...I guess no amount is good.

The results of a study of hundreds of thousands of teeth collected by Dr. Louise Reiss and her colleagues as part of the Baby Tooth Survey showed that children born after 1963 had levels of 90Sr in their deciduous teeth that was 50 times higher than that found in children born before the advent of large-scale atomic testing. The findings helped convince U.S. President John F. Kennedy to sign the Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty with the United Kingdom and Soviet Union, which ended the above-ground nuclear weapons testing that placed the greatest amounts of nuclear fallout into the atmosphere. A set of 85,000 teeth that had been uncovered in storage in 2001 were given to the Radiation and Public Health Project. By tracking the individuals who had participated in the tooth-collection project, the RHPR published results in a 2010 issue of the International Journal of Health Service that showed that those children who later died of cancer before the age of 50 had levels of strontium 90 in their stored baby teeth that was twice the level of those who were still alive at 50

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:12 | 1095830 hardcleareye
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Good post, thanks for the info.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:56 | 1096061 flattrader
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You're welcome.

I have a vague recollection of my mother putting my baby teeth in an envelope (post tooth fairy believing days) for the dentists to study. It was post JFK, so studies of some kind continued.

Upon further reading I discovered that during the early 1960s Japan was the recipient of drifting Cesium and Strontium from Russian testing.

So if they did any studies based on baby teeth like apparently the US did, they will have some baseline info going forward in what is likely a very sad future.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:59 | 1096292 Byte Me
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Don't worry about the 90Sr -- you can always get a nitric acid lungbath to get it out.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:12 | 1095810 Rula Lenska
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Thanks, umop.  Once again, msm is confusing/flating exposure and contamination.  Not the same at all.

Flattrader, you gotta link to that source you care to share?  Summaries are always appreciated, but I like to check out the source.  thx.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:40 | 1095982 Cthonic
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That's straight out of wikipedia;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strontium-90

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:51 | 1095464 Jason T
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This is like 1348 .. global bank collapse coupled with a mass depopulation.  (back then it was Venice and Black Death.) .

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:52 | 1095481 Caviar Emptor
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Party like its 1347

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:21 | 1095872 mick_richfield
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This is why I love ZH -- there are some extremely experienced people here!

 

Fed delenda est.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 17:40 | 1097046 davepowers
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there was a helluva party time in England then, after pillaging much of France and borrowing zillions from the Italian and Venetian banks. Other places not so much.

Spring Time for the Plantagenets

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:51 | 1095465 Seasmoke
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how do you say in Japaneese.....

 

GET OFF THAT ISLAND NOW !

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:00 | 1095758 Herman Strandsc...
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  How do you say GET OFF THAT ISLAND NOW!The clue is within the national flag of Japan:   ??????!  (Evacuate the red zone).

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:52 | 1095469 gorillaonyourback
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free food for ann coultor, anybody hear the shit she was spewin lololol on faux news. lolololol

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:54 | 1095740 barkster
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yes. daikon radishes http://daikonradish.com/ for every orifice...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:52 | 1095471 Caviar Emptor
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From The Berlusconi Academy of Radioactive Research: boobs get bigger and erections last longer between 250-400 millisieverts. Don't knock it till you tried it 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:50 | 1095472 russki standart
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It will suck even more when millions of Japanese are permanently displaced, scattered to other regions of Japan and throughout the world. I hope the top management does the honorable thing and commits seppuku.....

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:43 | 1095705 Double.Eagle.Gold
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Bring em all to the USA, housing excess inventory problem solved...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:57 | 1095750 ColonelCooper
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Give em Detroit.  They already know how to build cars.....

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 08:56 | 1098991 Kobe Beef
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not a bad idea either.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:52 | 1095473 Putty
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A kilo of veggies a day!  My kids won't get too sick then.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:53 | 1095483 Natasha
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People may be urged to move further from nuclear plant for convenience

TOKYO, March 24, Kyodo

The government is reviewing whether to continue its current directive for people living 20 to 30 kilometers away from a troubled nuclear plant in Fukushima Prefecture to remain indoors, with an eye on possibly recommending they relocate further away to make their everyday life easier over the long term, the top government spokesman indicated Thursday.

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80801.html

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:59 | 1095503 Jim in MN
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So...fucking...convenient.

Maybe giving them TEPCO senior management's houses and cars would be more 'convenient'.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:18 | 1096162 10kby2k
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Was reading a newswire story that casually said that the reactors will never be used again, because there were parts of the reactors that no human will ever get near for thousands of years. So, I am surmizing that the end game is to stabilize the cooling by the heroic 50/150 to make it temporarily safe enough to move in mass forces and entomb the facility. The big question is how large the permenant buffer zone (wasteland) will be and the blight and stigma it will cast on such a tiny country. (Its not like losing a rural section of Montana or some such). How close will people want to live near it or even be allowed? 12miles? more?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:57 | 1096284 Jim in MN
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I think Chernobyl still has some 10,000 square kilometers off limits to farming etc.  Really depends on the longer-lived isotope distribution.  If they can keep that stuff out of the Kanto area it's a little more, hmm, tolerable.  There is a pretty big upland area between the plant and the Kanto Plain, call it 50 miles of Big Sur-type area.  That's the buffer right now. 

The whole Kanto Plain is just 14,000 square kilometers though, so that's the biggest concern long term.  A nasty release that goes down there is really pretty devastating.  Like losing, say, most of New York and half of Pennsylvania.  Or something.  15+% of the rice, half or more of a lot of vegetables, not to mention a little something called Tokyo. 

Cesium, strontium, uranium and plutonium will tell that tale, not iodine.  Right now, with enough water and God's grace, they are skirting the edge....and 10 miles might be all it is.  Eventually. 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:05 | 1095525 Alea Iacta Est
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the "long term" being until 2173 or so....

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:57 | 1095485 TruthInSunshine
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SONAFABITCH!!!!!!!

You are all chicken littles, and this radiation is no big deal!! WTF!!!

There are people who were irradiated in DoD experiments and other research events with far higher levels of radiation and they lived to tell their tales (for 3 months to 3 years, but they lived)!!!!

I got my Ph.D in Nuclear & Quantum Physics from Phoenix University, and I also received my B.S. in Mechanical Engineering from ITT Technical Institute, and I can tell you that radiation levels are perfectly safe now, and will be for the subsequent years, and that yes, while there are fabrication defects in the containment vessels, those are not likely to be stressed that much because Fukushima has unique atmospheric values, and 800 to 1200 degrees fahrenheit there is like maybe 121 degree fahrenheit in Los Angeles.

Anyways, quit panicking so much and realize that everything is fine, radiation tends to settle down and degrade over a short period of time, and the air and drinking water and irrigation water, which are the most important things, are safe - and even if they weren't - Japan is surrounded by fresh water on all sides, and China has clean air that can be imported - so they have lots of choices.

Okay?

 

 

 

 

[/sarc]

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:03 | 1095520 Golden monkey
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How come so many sick elders in hospital are asking for the death to come and get them?

 

 

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:21 | 1095556 Ahmeexnal
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Sergei, it's the infamous "Tchernobyl deathwish".

Give my regards to comrade Putin.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:17 | 1095577 Harlequin001
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Maybe they can't afford the bill... I dunno...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:58 | 1095755 TruthInSunshine
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Because they know what's coming?

Older Japanese are wise and have accumulated a lot of knowledge and life experience.

I don't doubt that there is probably a high likelihood that they understand how badly the government is downplaying the seriousness of the current situation and how intractable the challenges that lay ahead are.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:59 | 1095766 Piranhanoia
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u of phoenix and ITT?   I studied monarchy at William Gaines institute and now have my own duchy of my own. I even have a moat.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:56 | 1095493 Jim in MN
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Complete with heart-wrenching pics of kids with their gov't-issued water bottles...oh and one new location registered 298 bq or BBQ or whatever the hell it is...the adult standard is 300.

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80811.html

Japan hit by radiation-tainted water, but Tokyo conditions improve

TOKYO, March 24, Kyodo

Water with radiation levels considered to be unsafe for infants to drink has been found at several purification plants outside of Tokyo, local officials said Thursday, while Japanese authorities have been trying hard to increase the supply of bottled water in light of the drawn-out crisis at a quake-hit nuclear power plant.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:25 | 1095618 Ahmeexnal
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Japanese authorities have raised the level of radioactivity in water considered harmful for infant consumption. That's the reason "conditions have improved".

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:26 | 1096179 davepowers
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i think they are holding bottled water labeled Tokyosui, which is produced by the todkyo Water Bureau from clean, fresh Tokyo water

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 15:36 | 1096426 Bicycle Repairman
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How many people are there in the greater Tokyo area?  Where is all the bottled water coming from and how are they delivering it? 

Seems counter-intuitive.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:00 | 1095506 bob_dabolina
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500: nausea, within hours.

700: vomiting

750: hair loss, within 2-3 weeks

 900: diarrhea

20,000: damage to the central nervous system and loss of consciousness within minutes, and death within hours or days.

This is sooooo strange. I had to stop watching the Presidents speeches because I started getting these saaaammee symptoms.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:01 | 1095511 ziggy59
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i love how the spinsters are trying to avoid a world panic only becasue they are not prepared for a world panic. They compare radiation exposure  to CT scans? who ever said that CT scans werent harmful by them selves? yes I-131 has a half life of 8 days..that assumes the dose stops too...having an Iodine depleted thyroid like most of the US population has, only allows the I-131 to be absorbed and cause damage even more readily. Ionizing radiation exposure is never good, despite the spin of how long it exists in the mediasphere. So all the fear induced BS over dirty bombs should be discounted with the same logic.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:00 | 1095770 ColonelCooper
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All I want for somebody in the MSM, Govt. etc.. to simply admit that radiation is bad.  Maybe fess up to the fact that our food is not supposed to be dusted by radiation.   You think the Ann Coulter column was bad?  Hell, it is now MSM boilerplate for writing news copy.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:08 | 1095522 plocequ1
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There is a cure for radiation sickness.. Dr. Killpatient  and Dr. Quackenbush says BTFD

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:06 | 1095523 skiptic
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Here's is a link to a map of the Chernobyl devastation area compared to map of Japan, to scale:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/skiptic/5555632763/

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:11 | 1095545 hedgeless_horseman
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flag as awesome (1)

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:48 | 1095718 Double.Eagle.Gold
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^10

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:25 | 1095604 i-dog
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Already, a lot of the vegetables that now cannot be sold are from farms 100-200km from the Fukushima plant and close to Tokyo. [Source: NHK]

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 16:16 | 1096622 Bicycle Repairman
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The map is informative, but I believe that the placement over Japan is too far to the west.  Also an adjustment for prevailing winds should be made.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:06 | 1095528 X. Kurt OSis
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Who's watching the pomo ramp job... f'in awesome.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:14 | 1095834 impending doom
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Skew you...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:07 | 1095531 gall batter
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Big Pharmaceutical to the rescue with a drug to BOTH protect and heal:

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/usa/US-Deveoping-Radiation-Sickness-...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:14 | 1095565 Stormdancer
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Nice little 6.8 just tagged Myanmar....

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:14 | 1095566 americanspirit
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When my father was a Captain in the US Army he was part of the human guinea pigs exposed to the atomic bomb tests in Nevada in the 1950s. He went through three tests - in one of them he was 1.5 miles from ground zero in an open trench. Breathed a lot of dust - no mask. Within six years he had leukemia, then various other forms of cancer throughout his life. And I don't think he ever ate any veggies except potatoes. Maybe those three packs of Camels a day didn't help though.

By the way, tobacco is a voracious uptaker of heavy metals both from the soil and from the atmosphere, so in addition to not eating Japanese spinach ( highly unlikely anyway) I wouldn't be toking on any Japanese cigarettes for a few hundred years either. Nor eating kelp. Nor rice. Nor Miso. Nor just about anything else edible from Japan. In addition to being an energy importer I have a feeling that Japan is going to become a very heavy food importer very, very soon. Short sushi, long rice.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 16:18 | 1096641 Bicycle Repairman
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The type of fertilizer used to grow tobacco may also be a source of radioactivity in cigarettes.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:27 | 1095624 TruthInSunshine
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Watch out for posts with links to WWN, a front for the nuclear power plant and uranium industry:

 

 

The WNN service is supported administratively and with technical advice by the World Nuclear Association and is based within its London Secretariat. It draws on WNA's global network of contacts in industry, academia, research institutes and intergovernmental agencies that includes key personnel in enterprises that account for virtually all of the world's uranium mining, nuclear fuel manufacture, equipment production and nuclear power generation.

 

Okay, got it, but who is the World Nuclear Association?

The World Nuclear Association (WNA), formerly the Uranium Institute, is an international organization that promotes nuclear power and supports the many companies that comprise the global nuclear industry. Its members come from all parts of the nuclear fuel cycle, including uranium mining, uranium conversion, uranium enrichment, nuclear fuel fabrication, plant manufacture, transport, and the disposition of used nuclear fuel as well as electricity generation itself [1].

Together, WNA members are responsible for 95% of the world's nuclear power outside of the U.S. [2] as well as the vast majority of world uranium, conversion and enrichment production.[3]

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:40 | 1095690 Jim in MN
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Damn.  Maybe it really does glow at these levels.  This is staggering (and outside the exclusion zone).  Praying for a mismeasurement or typo but here it is:

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80849.html

"The government said, meanwhile, it detected 2.54 million becquerels of iodine and 2.65 million becquerels of cesium, another radioactive substance, from weed leaves in the village of Iitate in Fukushima Prefecture about 40 km northwest from the nuclear plant, far above the provisional limits for food of 2,000 becquerels for iodine and 500 becquerels for cesium.

Abnormally high levels of these materials were also detected again in the sea near the plant, TEPCO said, warning the radiation levels in seawater may keep rising."

Also, on nuclear refugee front:

Tokyo's Landmark Hotel to Open to Nuclear Evacuees

   Tokyo, March 24 (Jiji Press)--Prince Hotels Inc. said Thursday that its Grand Prince Hotel Akasaka will temporarily accept evacuees from areas around a troubled nuclear plant in northeastern Japan.
   The hotel plans to offer about 700 rooms, which can hold up to 1,600 people, between early April and late June, officials at the hotel chain and the Tokyo metropolitan government said.
   The hotel chain proposed that the metropolitan government use the hotel to give shelter to those affected by the March 11 quake and tsunami that crippled the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant.
   The high-rise hotel, which opened in 1955, was set to be closed at the end of this month due to aging. It is often used for political and business meetings.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:56 | 1095754 Jim in MN
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Based on Tyler's helpful conversion post, this would equate to a 126 millisievert dose from the cesium and 128 from the iodine, 254 millisieverts in all or just over a fourth of a sievert from a kilogram of, well, they are weed leaves so maybe not in a salad.  Still, what the hell is going on in any given field or road appears to be essentially unknown.

What a nightmare. 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:34 | 1095850 TruthInSunshine
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Video: Already greater surface contamination at 40 kilometers from Fukushima than 'hot spots' at Chernobyl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kgwd_9HyME

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:35 | 1095954 Ben Probanke
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what happened to the bloody power lines? all gone silent on those now.. a week ago we were told power lines were up and everything will be solved...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:39 | 1095973 HedgeFundLIVE
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with all this ugliness going on, i think this is a great shorting oppty in the market here!: http://www.hedgefundlive.com/blog/recent-march-rally-a-shorting-opportunity

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:06 | 1096108 Jim in MN
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http://jen.jiji.com/jc/eng?g=eco&k=2011032500009

"I'm Relieved I Was Exposed to Radiation Most": Hyper Rescue Leader

   Tokyo, March 24 (Jiji Press)--"I'm relieved that I was the one who's had radiation exposure the most in my crew," says Yasuhiro Ishii of the Tokyo Fire Department's "hyper rescue" squad that sprayed water at a troubled nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture, northern Japan.
   Last Friday evening, the 47-year-old hopped into a vehicle specially designed to measure radiation levels and headed to the crippled plant, which has suffered a series of accidents and radiation leaks since it was badly damaged by the March 11 quake and tsunami.
   The Tokyo fire department's third district hyper rescue squad led by Ishii was preparing to spray water onto the damaged No. 3 reactor at Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s <9501> Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant.
   Ishii told Jiji Press that he was the first to enter the reactor side to find out which areas had the highest levels of radiation before deciding where to deploy his fire trucks.
   However, the team made little headway, according to Ishii. Quay walls, which were expected to help firefighters pump in seawater, had collapsed, while a storage tank littered the roads due to the tsunami, making it difficult to get hoses to the site.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:24 | 1096174 flattrader
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Jim,

I have a feeling that point of recognition comes this weekend.

Continued stories of food and water contamination may come to a head.

The authorities might use the weekend to dump bad news while markets are closed.

I wonder how many people in Tokoyo are thinking that it might be a good time to get outta Dodge under the guise of visiting family/friends in other parts of the country.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:38 | 1096222 Jim in MN
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I am sensing one more big attempt to paint it over--restoring cooling at one unit, SDF helicopter thermal readings, getting the plant microwave to pop popcorn again--that kind of thing.

But events are moving too fast, so yeah, this could be the fork in the road coming.  'Normal' over here, 'never the same again' over there.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 09:09 | 1099034 Kobe Beef
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Lots. Refugees are stacking up in Kansai hotels & among extended families. Kanto students enrolling in Kansai schools for the new school year have jumped in the last week. Many salarymen are staying behind in Tokyo while evacuating their wives & children to the south & west.

I don't have numbers, but a slow & steady evacuation is happening.

 

Cheers,

Beef

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:16 | 1096152 Jim in MN
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Losing it pretty fast now--hard to keep up with the Japanese news flow.  Radiation has been found in vegetables in Hong Kong; Russia has adopted a ban; mention of salt encrustation of the reactor vessels and need to stop using seawater; and this, pretty much admission that the Kanto Plain and much of northern Honshu is becoming contaminated:

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/25_02.html

Radioactive water detected in 6 prefectures

Radioactive water has been detected at water purification facilities in Tokyo and 5 other prefectures. The level of radioactive iodine-131 at 18 purification plants exceeds Japan's safety limit for infants.

Radioactive iodine-131 does not exist in nature. Experts believe it was carried by the wind from the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant to surrounding areas, and then washed down into rivers by rain.

The governments of Tokyo, Fukushima, Ibaraki, Chiba, Saitama and Tochigi prefectures have detected more than 100 becquerels of iodine per liter of water, above the safety level for infants under 12 months. But the water is safe for adults because it's not above the 300 becquerel safety limit for them.

Hosei University professor and air-borne contamination expert Kentaro Murano says it's hard to predict where the radioactive substances will spread, because the wind blows in various directions at this time of year.

Murano says people should not overreact when they see small changes in levels. He points out that if it rains several times, all the radioactive substances in the air and on the ground will be washed out to sea.

Professor Murano says the radioactivity in the water will decrease to safer levels within 2 weeks. But he warns that if more radioactive substances are emitted from the nuclear plant, the impact of the radioactivity will continue for some time to come.

Friday, March 25, 2011 01:25 +0900 (JST)

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:23 | 1096170 10kby2k
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This is what I feared. I pray for a temporary stabilization so they can entomb this facility.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 16:22 | 1096683 Bicycle Repairman
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"he warns that if more radioactive substances are emitted from the nuclear plant, the impact of the radioactivity will continue for some time to come."

OK, isn't this the crux?  Indications are currently that they cannot stop it.  So weeks?, months?  years?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 17:30 | 1096999 flattrader
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...crux?  Yeah, exactly

...So weeks?, months? year?  Yeah, exactly.

I was trying to explain the problem to a longtime friend last night.  He just didn't get that they wouldn't have it in hand during the next week or two...and that millions of people might have to relocate for hundreds and perhaps thousands of years (plutonium).

There is the enormity of the problem that makes it incomprehensible.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:26 | 1096180 jplotinus
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Read carefully, I think the exposure limits and the half-life, especially of iodine-131, should serve to confirm a nuclear plant catastrophe is not the same as detonation of a nuclear bomb, as many probably now fear.

In other words, Japan is a disaster, a catastrophe, a huge problem.  It is not, however, instantaneous death for millions of people.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:34 | 1096211 Natasha
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It will probably be a slow and painful death for thousands.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 15:03 | 1096297 flattrader
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Yes...and an early death.

For a country already confronted with the problems related to negative population growth, the demographics have gotten yet more complicated.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:34 | 1096204 Ahmeexnal
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Will the japanese sheeple ever open up their eyes (no pun intended) to the lies their government is hurling out? They are being sacrificed to their Yen god.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 18:54 | 1097283 Golden monkey
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They would sacrifice their life for the Yen God anyway. Sheeple destiny.

I think in a next life both you and I should be slaves for the Saudis...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 15:26 | 1096354 topcallingtroll
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Some people talk about safety limits as if these are facts. Safety limits are based on theory and educated guess. There is no hard science establishing these limits just statistics based on limited samples and theory. Just as the lucky bullet or golden BB can knock down a plane, a single gamma ray can initiate a cancer. We are dealing in probabilities and estimated risk. The risk is not zero below the exposure limits. The real risk is.unknown below the threshold although likely to be low and depends on all sorts of factors including individual susceptibility.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 15:32 | 1096404 Youri Carma
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The Case For Nuclear Fukushima Daiichi Unit-3 Top Blown Completely Off Clearly Explained trough High Res Photographs http://tinyurl.com/4wxngp8

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 15:56 | 1096509 flattrader
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Thanks much for the link.

Do you know anything regarding the conditions at the Dainni (sp?) Plant to the south and the Onagawa (sp?) Plant to the north?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 15:46 | 1096467 franzpick
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Terravivos.com offers 1 year of catastrophe-proof underground community living for the higher of $50K/person or 36 ozs. gold, half-price sale for some reason in the Nebraska sites.

They should open a Tokyo sales office. 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 16:02 | 1096529 franzpick
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...all the radioactive substances in the air and on the ground will be washed out to sea.

Tuna spawning east and south of Honshu starts next month, but the fish markets are already half empty, and New Fin tuna won't be popular.

Partisan politics aside, I keep wondering how a statesman-like POTUS might have responded differently to the current crises ensemble ?

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 16:38 | 1096764 Lapri
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Everything is going back to normal. MOX fuel is arriving from France in April. Nothing to worry about.

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/03/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-greenpeace-say...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 16:38 | 1096773 Lapri
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Everything is going back to normal. MOX fuel is arriving from France in April. Nothing to worry about.

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/03/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-greenpeace-say...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 18:32 | 1097199 Youri Carma
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Upper limit of radiation dose permitted for radiation workers, police , and firefighters who engage in disaster prevention: 100,000μSv (=100 mSv) over 5 years with a maximum of  50,000μSv/year (=50mSv) From: http://www.nirs.org/reactorwatch/mox/puupdat4.txt
 
Upper limit of radiation dose permitted for people who engage in emergency work: 250,000μSv/year (=250mSv) From: http://eq.wide.ad.jp/files_en/110315houshasen_mext_en.pdf

The Case For Nuclear Fukushima Daiichi Unit-3 Top Blown Completely Off Clearly Explained trough High Res Photographs http://tinyurl.com/4wxngp8

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