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Summary Of The Military Assets In Play In Operation "Odyssey Dawn"

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Allied warplanes in a coalition led by France and backed by Arab nations have gone into action to stop Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's forces attacking the rebel-held city of Benghazi .

U.S. and British ships and submarines fired more than 110 Tomahawk cruise missiles at Libyan targets to take out their air defences, although no U.S. aircraft were flying over Libya.

Following are assets that are being used, or could be used, in action against Muammar Gaddafi's troops and those belonging to his military:

FRANCE

France has some 20 fighter jets deployed in an initial operation in Libya, including Rafale multirole war planes, Mirage fighter jets and at least one AWACS surveillance aircraft. The target area involved is a area 62 by 93 miles (100 km by 150 km) around the rebel-controlled city of Benghazi.

The French operation is being run out of the Solenzara air base in the Mediterranean island of Corsica, around an hour's flight from Libya in a fighter jet.

France's Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier is on the French Mediterranean coast and will head to Libya around midday on Sunday. It could reach the Libyan coast by late Monday carrying 15 fighter jets. Its battle group includes three frigates, a fuel-supply ship and an attack submarine.

France also has air forces bases near the Mediterranean towns of Marseille and Istres, about an hour and a half from Libya. Airborne refuelling tanker aircraft were ready on Friday to deploy from Istres.

France rejoined NATO's military command in 2009, reversing four decades of self-imposed exile

BRITAIN

Britain deployed its air forces later on Saturday, likely to be Typhoon patrol jets and all-weather Tornado attack aircraft normally based at Royal Air Force bases in Scotland and the eastern county of Norfolk, as well as air-to-air refuelling and surveillance aircraft.

Britain has two frigates off the Libyan coast: HMS Cumberland and HMS Westminster. The Ministry of Defence said it was not clear if they would be used in any operation and added that destroyers could also be deployed.

UNITED STATES

The United States started a "limited military action" in Libya several hours after France that included launching strikes along the Libyan coast that would target Libyan air defences.

The U.S. military deployed planes, cruise missiles and electronic attacks, the Pentagon said.

A defence official said the U.S. Navy has three submarines outfitted with Tomahawk missiles in the Mediterranean ready to participate, including attack submarines Newport News and the Providence. They were were joined by two Navy ships.

Tomahawk missiles can cripple aircraft of anti-aircraft defences in a no-fly operation.

In all, the U.S. Navy has five combat ships in the Mediterranean, including at least one guided missile destroyer, but there are no U.S. aircraft carriers close to Libya.

The USS Enterprise, which was recently stationed in the Red Sea, has been moved eastwards, away from Libya, to join the USS Carl Vinson,in the Arabian Sea to support Afghanistan operations.

Aviano, south of the Alps in Italy, is the region's only U.S. air base with aircraft assigned to it -- 42 F-16s. The Pentagon has not discussed the positioning of other planes in the region. The United States has a range of Mediterranean military bases and installations in Italy, Greece, Spain and Turkey.

CANADA

Canada's HMCS Charlottetown warship has joined naval actions, including a naval blockade, taking place off Libya, Prime Minister Stephen Harper told reporters.

Canadian fighter jets have reached the region but need another day or two of preparation before they can join the mission, a Canadian government spokesman said.

ITALY

Italy has deployed dozens of combat aircraft at its base at Trapani, in western Sicily in readiness for possible involvement in airstrikes on Libya.

Tornado fighters that can be used to destroying enemy air defences and radar as well as F-16s and Eurofighters used for air-to-air defence have been moved to Trapani from bases in Piacenza in northern Italy, Gioia del Colle in Apulia.

Italy has also offered the use of a NATO base near the city of Naples for joint command centre for the joint operation, and could participate later on in military activities, Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said.

Defence Minister Ignazio La Russa said in all seven bases in Italy -- at Amendola, Gioia del Colle, Sigonella, Aviano, Trapani, Decimomannu and Pantelleria -- were available and some allies had already asked to use them.

Five of them are on the southern mainland or Sicily, making them some of the closest available bases to Libya.

Source: Reuters

 

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Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:29 | 1076608 DoChenRollingBearing
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Let the Europeans handle this one.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:53 | 1076914 billhilly
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Nice thought but no chance in hell the grand-standing, egocentric US of A would allow a chance at battle pass by...gotta distract the peoples from the financial crisis.  Plus, they have to use some of the older stock of missles and such so they have more reason to spend on new stuff.  The corporate/military/ponzi system needs fresh money!

Oh yeah, then there is the OIL!

How'd you get a first post from Peru?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:02 | 1076931 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Of course, with the nuke disaster it became obvious more US nuke power is 1000yrs away,

so better bolster those oil reserves.

 

Do you people actually dress yourselves?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:16 | 1077154 DoChenRollingBearing
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Blind luck!  The USA is not the only country with DSL...

I still would have liked to have seen how FRANCE handled this, but I just read elsewhere that the USA has chipped in with firing some 100 missiles.

Uhh.  None of this is going to end well.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 23:47 | 1077623 DeeDeeTwo
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France = Big Cheese. Qadaffi has not even started to play dirty yet. A ground invasion is baked in the cake, baby.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 04:02 | 1078115 e_goldstein
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Right, France... 

 

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 13:01 | 1082171 Zero Govt
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Operation "Odyssey Dawn" ....or Operation "Another Farcical Foreign Fuking Mess"

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:36 | 1076628 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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For f**k sake, can't we have a day go by on this planet when some knuckle head brainwashed U.S. military moron (and other western world morons) isn't killing some brown people, because a man in a suit owned by some scum of the earth banker told them too.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:12 | 1076750 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Damn straight they wanna be oppressed by despotic dictators that is their right!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:38 | 1076862 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Perhaps you'll be lucky enough to have all your troubles blasted away in a missle strike someday.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 21:56 | 1077402 Oh regional Indian
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Funny isn't it Crockett, how DemonCrazy needs to be harmoniously bombed into people's lives now-adays?

ORI

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:25 | 1077036 snowball777
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Oh, that's why we sell them all those weapons and prop them up the world over.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:07 | 1076751 cossack55
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No.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:09 | 1076764 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Yea sure it is. Western world intervention to bring the caveman into the 21st century is the root of all evil,haven't you been keeping up on your ZH lately?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:39 | 1076871 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Those Geico commercials getting to you or what?

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:58 | 1078321 ibjamming
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The sooner we realize we CAN'T bring those cavemen into western society...the better off we'll fucking be!  We've wasted so much god damn time and money trying to get brown people "equal" to whites/asians it isn't funny.  Talk about throwing good money after bad.  Wake up!  It ain't happening...brown people in general can't make the cut...JV at best...  So stop wasting everyone's time...

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 12:22 | 1078905 falak pema
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Need a melanin injection to make you feel comfortable?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:59 | 1076944 scatterbrains
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what's amazing is all that oil money these sand niggas been collecting all these years and can't a one send a single missle into the bowls of one of these ships. Not that I want to see that happen but man... why haven't we just conquered their oil decades ago ?

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 22:00 | 1077412 Spitzer
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ahaha

good point. This is looking too easy, a fairer fight is more entertaining.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:43 | 1077216 The Axe
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e seems to be a lot of European morons in the Med to...don't think?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:31 | 1076632 Ahmeexnal
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Once again, the plutocracies of europe initiate a world war.

And the U.S. has been dragged into it easier than in the previous ones.

The moslem street inside europe is about to go kablaam!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:02 | 1076740 Breaker
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"The moslem street inside europe is about to go kablaam!"

I'm not so sure it will. European Muslims are increasingly radicalized. Ghadaffi is a dinosaur in the world of purist Islam. I suspect the French gvt will get brownie points with it's Muslim population for it's participation.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:20 | 1076803 duncecap rack
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I think the Arab league requested this action.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:51 | 1076911 ZackAttack
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Oceania has *always* been at war with Eurafrica.

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:35 | 1076648 jesse livermoore
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Duh............ winning........

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:36 | 1076650 Mae Kadoodie
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examples of oxymorons: jumbo shrimp, open secret, led by France.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:00 | 1076730 sawyer
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good one!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:43 | 1076883 Creed
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double plus good one!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 14:25 | 1079202 Flakmeister
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you forgot "clean coal"

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:36 | 1076660 Ahmeexnal
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The Arab world will soon galvanize around Muammar.

MUAMMAR
MUAMMAR
MUAD'DIB
MUAD'DIB
MUAD'DIB!!!!!!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:51 | 1076702 JW n FL
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I am Paul and I see where you dare not look.. dont forget it.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:41 | 1076874 MsCreant
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Are you saying Ghadaffy can see into his girly place?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:30 | 1077044 snowball777
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Kwisatz Haderach, bitchez!

(note: definitely not Mo)

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 21:26 | 1077327 Reptil
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Neh, Ghadaffi isn't a people's hero.

Though he dreams of it, with his eyes open.

The people that support him now are the ones that took his side, because they thought he'd win.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:40 | 1076675 eddiebe
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Gimme that oil!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:46 | 1076684 CrashisOptimistic
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Look carefully at that.

It's a piddlin 1.5 million bpd.  The world uses 75 mbpd, and they're going to war over 1.5.

Now try to return to the delusion that there is sufficient oil flow and no problems at all going forward.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:03 | 1076739 Bay of Pigs
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That's correct. This is a much bigger operation than Libya. Who's next?

On a brighter note, gold and silver should do well next week.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:43 | 1076886 CrockettAlmanac.com
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silver should do well next week.

 

I believe that I once read that a cruise missile incorporates 1100 oz of silver. I think we fired off 110 of those today. Will Blythe be scouring Tripolitan ruble in search of needed supplies?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:04 | 1076748 Richard Head
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Ever heard of the term "marginal supply", jacknuts?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:10 | 1076767 CrashisOptimistic
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Marginal supply can't be an issue if there is all that spare pumping capacity claimed.

Going to war proves about as clearly as it can be proven that there is none.  Take 1 mbpd out and things start to die.

It's not going to be much longer.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:32 | 1077051 snowball777
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Ever heard of the term exponential population growth, dimwit?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Population_curve.svg

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:44 | 1076885 billwilson
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High quality stuff, not Saudi carp, plus you have to look at exported product (not overall demand). As a percentage of exported crude it is much higher.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:07 | 1076981 CrashisOptimistic
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How is this relevant to the overall point?

There Is No Slack.  Oil Production Levels Are Insufficient.

Lose just 1 mbpd and upheaval asserts itself.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 14:26 | 1079205 Flakmeister
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Correct... Libyan exports are about 3% of supply.

Saudi Arabia is now infested with Asian Carp??

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 22:10 | 1077439 Oh regional Indian
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Crash, this is NOT about oil at all. This is juiced and laced with esoteric overtones and blood-lust undertones.

Note the 7 year time-lapse, to the day and the serving up of blood, gore adn bombs away on the 33rd parallel.

Trying to put logic to what is an in-herently illogical situation is a fool's errand.

Call me illogical, but I see this spreading left and right and up towards Europe as all the dispossed Tunisians, libyans and Algerians and assorted other Arabic immigrants in France (last time I was there, I saw more Burkha's than minis)....in Italy...start to rumble.

But of course, common man's suffering is in-consequential in the planner's diaries.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/axis-trembles/

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 22:34 | 1077488 gordengeko
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You're right about the esoteric overtones.  They DO NOT choose names, dates or locations by happenstance.  BTW the 33rd parallel goes thru Japan and is also the location of 33 liberty street and a significant level in freemasonry, 33 degree.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 23:23 | 1077575 Oh regional Indian
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Precisely my point GG.

Nothing is by "accident", just by deluded design.

ORI

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:53 | 1076704 Jendrzejczyk
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"The U.S. military deployed planes, cruise missiles and electronic attacks, the Pentagon said."

Are we using emps (or just spamming Daffy's in box for fun)?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:57 | 1076933 Drag Racer
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EMPs... lol, too much Hollywood man.

It is called jamming of communication and radar

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:53 | 1076707 High Plains Drifter
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My God, here we go again. When does it ever stop? When?  When are the soldiers in our American armies going to say enough, stop . NO!!!!   When???????

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:33 | 1077053 snowball777
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When they stop getting paid.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 23:35 | 1077594 Larry Darrell
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The brainwashing that occurs in boot camps is far superior to what the plebes get from watching TV.

My best friend came back from basic training and we had very little left in common for several months. 

It was like meeting him or the first time and having to rebuild our friendship from scratch.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 01:28 | 1077916 trav7777
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got a brother who is SGM, not the same kid I grew up with.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:52 | 1076708 JW n FL
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Can I super size this order and have a side order of a few battalions of Marines and some new test phase super weapons?

Thanks!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:56 | 1076718 IrrationalMan
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i love it when a plan comes together.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:03 | 1076742 HungrySeagull
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We open doorway and Euro Jets Go in. Fair enough.

About time Nato got into a proper fight for Italy's oil. Remember it's Italy that buys a lot of Libyan oil and that Crazy Daffy already has threatend both land civilian and maritime shipping, infrastructre etc in Europe and anywhere else his planes can reach.

I see that Mildenhall AFB is back in the fight. I would not be too surprised if Missouri USA launched a few Spirits to prowl the area as well.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:02 | 1076743 High Plains Drifter
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The Amerikan military , ladies and gentlemen , in case you have not noticed, is now gone. They are no longer ours but belong to the enemy. They are our enemy. You must understand this. It is totally obvious now. Someone asked the question. Will they fire on Americans. I say to you. A emphatic yes. Yes they will and believe me when the time is right and it will come, they will do to us, what they are doing to these Muslim people. This must be considered as a given in any civil unrest that occurs here. There simply is no longer any question in my mind , just what these people are all about now.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:07 | 1076754 dark pools of soros
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maybe they fire on the folk in north dakota... to run them outta their backyard oil...

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:13 | 1076769 cossack55
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I think amerikans will be able to surrender to US Forces if while approaching them whith your arms raised you have a JP morgan credit card in one hand and a BoA debit card in the other.  The only other safe option would be to have "I Love Goldman Sachs" tatooed on your forehead.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:21 | 1076814 High Plains Drifter
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Raining fucking tomahawk missles on these people and that idiot we have for  a president is over in Brasil walking around smiley smiley and acting like nothing is happening. God I have said many times I am not about hate, but I am starting to hate, I am sorry to say.......

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:34 | 1077064 snowball777
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Were "these people" sitting on top of the air defenses? Would GoDaffy cause less collateral damage to said people?

Priorities.

I agree the US should GTFO of Iraq and Af-Pak, but the UN is doing what needs to be done here, unless you think we're just clearing the way for the next hookah-toking muppet.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 01:35 | 1077932 trav7777
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why's this need to be done?

I'm stunned that our Nobel Laureate is using lines that may as well have been spoken by Busch...in fact, I think they were.  "We cannot stand idly by while a tyrant..." is just recycled bullshit.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 02:17 | 1078014 JW n FL
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Lil Bush Part Duex In TechniColor!!!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:15 | 1076798 George Huxley
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This is definitely something to look out for. When the troops start coming home en masse could be when things get serious. Ending the wars may be a lot worse than continuing them.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:24 | 1076808 Yen Cross
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Send em the Clint Eastwood boxed set! Hang em high. High plains drifter. The Good the Bad and the Ugly. wawawa,uhhh!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:06 | 1076747 Xkwisetly Paneful
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But these are supposed to be exogenous uprisings according to the neo marxists.

Sure have some cream and sugar with that grand delusion.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:09 | 1076756 bob_dabolina
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This is George Bushs fault

-Nancy Pelosi

*all deaths should be attributed to George Bush

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:01 | 1076953 gratefultraveller
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Yep, in that video Michel Chossudowski (sp.) from GlobalResearch.ca names the "Why":

"Libya has the cheapest oil around, with a cost of extraction as low as 1 $/barrel"

Beats deep-sea drilling, and at the same time the hardware  ehm... "consumed" during the "peace-keeping" war operation creates jobs back at home, as I'm sure most of the weapons components have *not* yet been outsourced to SE Asia sweatshops.

All in all a win-win situation (for the corporate fascists, at least)

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:12 | 1076772 bugs_
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Operation: O.D.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:36 | 1076854 gordengeko
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Odyssey Dawn, interesting choice of a name there.  Probably just a random choice of a name.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07REkvATHb8

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:51 | 1076913 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Operation: O.D.

 

In Homer's Odyssey, the dawn usually appears as "pink fingertips." In this case those fingertips represent the bloody hands of Empire.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:11 | 1076773 zaknick
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Let's get this show on the road for fucks sake.

GoDaffy, all you gotta do is suicide bomb your Arab arch-nemesis (the lackey Saudis) oil infrastructure. Easy. They're worried about 1.5 mb/d wait until it's 9 mb/d!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:12 | 1076776 Djirk
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How come there are no Arab or African countries listed above?

Same shit is happening in Cote d'Ivoire but no "humanitarian intervention" there?

Black gold, texas tea.


Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:16 | 1076791 cossack55
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Bad form to invite the new colonists to their own colonization.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 03:54 | 1078103 Djirk
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good point

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:14 | 1076779 High Plains Drifter
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So now along with about 97 percent of the American sheep, we can add to the list of useful idiots, our own military fools. I have lost all faith in them now and all hope in them. They are a disgrace to the human race and a disgrace to liberty and a disgrace to everything that this country is supposed to be about. So I want them to read this and understand this. Don't wag your fucking finger in my face and tell me that stupid bullshit that you are doing this for my rights and to protect my freedoms and to allow me the opportunity to have freedom of speech. No , don't piss down my back and tell me its raining. Houston, we have a problem and its the out of control military industrial complex and all of its useful idiot volunteer brain dead robots. When Bush said this war on terror would last a hundred years, I guess that little statement escaped the brain pans of these pinheads. Whatever, respect I had for them and believe me it was not much these days, is now gone. forever gone never to return. I lost them and now they have lost me. Flame away soldier lovers. Flame suit is on now.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:22 | 1076810 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Got it already, hate self, hate country,

hate everything except hugging the nearest tree.

 

Usful idiots=spolied brats who live like kings, cry like queens and don't give a shit about anyone else in the world but themselves.

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:24 | 1076821 Dr. Gonzo
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Fuck you! We're you singing the Star Spangled Banner with your hand on your heart and a tear in your eye as our squire France started off the bombing for us? 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:31 | 1076837 Xkwisetly Paneful
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I get it, you can live like royalty while the caveman gets repeatedly and perpetually shat upon.

 

Find no shortage of support amongst the self loathing neo marxist/anarchist wannabee intellectual crowd that dominates ZH,

 

left up to you people we would be crapping in holes in the ground and making an open fire to cook dinner.

 

now go look in the mirror and repeat I hate you 1000times.

afterwards go hug the nearest tree.

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:49 | 1077231 TriggerFinger
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you are fucking delusional

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:22 | 1076811 Dr. Gonzo
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+1. A lot of people feel this way. The captured news media tells us thoughts like these are abnormal. Fuck that. We're the normal ones. 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:00 | 1076952 MsCreant
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Ya'll are wrong. It is not the soldiers' fault. They are isolated (how many times are we being told their internet is not allowed to surf certain addresses, plus they are on bases, on boats) and propogandized to. They are "programed" and live inside a closed self propigating culture where they are taught loyalty to each other, their chain of command, and this country. I have been told, anymore, the service looks like the population of a junior college. I believe it.

I remember my own students shipping out when the stuff went down in Iraq. Mostly brown folk went (black, latin, even asian, men and women), hardly any whites. They were scared to death and head fucked to death too, kept being told they were shipping, then not, then shipping, then not. When it was finally real they did not take it seriously, none of us did. Gave out a lot of incompletes and systemic withdraws.

They come back from war damaged, and they are back in my classes trying to "make something" of their lives. Some of them are pretty fucked up attitude wise others are wise beyond their years and real news hawks like us around here, suspicious of everything. Blaming them is just wrong. So many of them are kids who are still trying to figure out who they are.

If you want to blame some soldiers, blame their leaders.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 21:12 | 1077278 Yen Cross
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It's your Fault. You're too tough!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 21:14 | 1077279 woolly mammoth
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+1 MsCreant

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 21:47 | 1077367 trav7777
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hardly any whites?  WTF...the military is majority white.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 12:31 | 1078928 falak pema
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Or blame their women for not being Ukranian nurses...

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:47 | 1076895 Creed
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If you feel that strongly HPD then join Kadafis forces. Or Iran, Syria etc- you'll get your chance to fight US forces and express your hatred.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:28 | 1077039 Dr. Gonzo
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Never personaly cared to be cannon fodder for a U.S. War and things would have to get very personal and close to home for me to become cannon fodder against...but don't be so confident. The North Koreans, Chinese, and Vietnamese all took pleasure in kicking our asses in the past 50 years. Vietnam even bankrupted us, North Korea still has us in a stale mate and China owns all our debt. So picking an easy war and getting all your buddies to pile on isn't all that impressive. We just love putting the fear of death into all our vassal states who can't defend themselves. They will all be begging to kiss our boots when they see some of their friends going through regime change.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 02:18 | 1078010 Xkwisetly Paneful
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GFY

Revise history some more in and amongst your self loathing/hatred.  It is what America truly specializes in these days.

The arms race following the Vietnam is what bankrupted the Soviet Union which directly led to the fall of communism and the freedom of millions.  Somehow according to the self loathing it bankrupted the US too even though as recently as 15yrs ago absent entitlements the US was rolling in cash.

 

But I get it, hate self, hate country and make sure to revise history to hate even more.  

Let me guess Vietnam, Korea and Kosovo really have huge oil reserves too.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 03:07 | 1078074 Ahmeexnal
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What bankrupted the Soviets was they slow printers.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:15 | 1076783 Theta_Burn
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110 Tomahawks @ what $500,000.00 ea.?

incredible

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:43 | 1077091 New_Meat
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drive-by shooting by 112 TLAMz, including sub launched.  We used to think of them as $1MM per each, maybe Uncle Sugar has been getting a volume discount?

Wonder what they got?  Targeting gotta be like really accurate, since no one know how to spoof overhead imaging, ELINT, SIGINT, etc.  I wonder also how the ROE are handling all of this.   Usually words like "preclude collateral damage with 95% assurance of blah-blah-blah.

Ain't no one gonna' get hung out to dry with these ROE--"No fly zone" and French a/c are attacking "Lybian ground vehicles"

Civilian deaths to protect civilians from death.  That's the ticket.

But not to worry, no U.S. ground troop involvement.  whew, that means that the "ten platoons" from Camp Le Swamp have been rehearsing TRAPs.  "Gray boat tours has an exercise program for your physical stamina improvement."

Nothing good comes from this, as currently being spun.

- Ned

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 23:19 | 1077566 Oh regional Indian
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"Civilian deaths to protect civilians from death.  That's the ticket."

Classic dubblespeek.

Well said.

ORI

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 21:16 | 1077291 MsCreant
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Kind of like me in my kitchen. I have storage food but I have to keep circulating it through my regular cooking or it will go bad. When I use some, I can buy more with dates further in the future. I got some 2016 salmon the other day.

Obama has some bombs he needs to use, the shelf life is getting old.  Added bonus, employment will step up when we have to make more!

Is that #winning# or what?

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 09:04 | 1078333 New_Meat
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and the decommissioning/demilitarization costs are like really high, what with the EPA and all. - Ned

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:16 | 1076790 Jendrzejczyk
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Did I miss the declaration of war on Libya by congress?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:17 | 1076799 cossack55
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They are off this week.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:54 | 1076918 Jendrzejczyk
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My bad.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:15 | 1076795 sudzee
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Need to keep the military complex busy doing something. If all servicemen and women were recalled to the US and realised that, while they were away putting their lives on the line, the bankers and paid pussies in both houses stole America for themselves. I beleive politicians are terrified at the thought of having the military idle.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:23 | 1076819 AhhhItBurns
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Don't forget the bloat that they skim off of the massive defense budget. The amount of waste spread through defense contracting compared to the salary given to ground troops is so bad it isn't even worth joking about.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:25 | 1076824 High Plains Drifter
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It has been said that the Israeli state cannot exist unless it is at war. The same must be said for us now. We can not exist unless we are at war. I yell it on the top of the mountaintop and nobody hears me and nobody cares. American people make me sick to my stomach.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 21:49 | 1077382 trav7777
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I was dating a nice young au pair from brazil a few years ago, educated girl and she talked about the American History that the rest of the world learns.  Apparently, they kinda all learn our history and she was like jeez you guys are like always in some war here or there.  I said yeah, US history is kind of a history of war.

When you have 10 of these CVNs, you have to park them somewhere and use them somehow.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:20 | 1076809 cossack55
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Tyler, you need to add a player to above list:

5.0 EQ south of Addis Ababa  depth 14k

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:28 | 1076833 Threeggg
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Go long on the "Global Military Complex" first thing Monday Morning !!!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:30 | 1076842 Encroaching Darkness
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No more blood for oil, no more blood for oil, no more.....

Why isn't anyone else chanting?

Oops, wrong party's President, my bad.

When it's over can we unionize the Benghazis?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:47 | 1077223 CitizenPete
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you won't be around any longer, "when it's over"

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:35 | 1076849 Yen Cross
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had those US Navy geniuses  not traversed the Suez Canal 10 days ago this would have been done! They moved a carrier to the gulf and should have kept it in the Med.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:37 | 1076856 High Plains Drifter
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC07ykFMXyM

Ron Paul tells me the obvious. His attitude gives this government legitimacy when it is illegitimate. He talks about the constitution when this government does not recognize it and he knows full well it doesn't and his words in the end mean nothing to me. He talks about law when there is no law and he knows this all too well. This man will lead the disenchanted to the end of a dark road with no way out.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:57 | 1076937 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Ron Paul never asked you to follow him.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:41 | 1077212 High Plains Drifter
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I never will either. But you do so if you think it is prudent.  Many do think he is their hope, their only hope. It is easy to do. It requires no thought or research etc. Just do it. Kind of like believing this lie called amerika or joining the army. They just do it because it easier than living at home without a job and it is easier to believe that they are being patriotic when they are not, even though these  wars were based upon lies from the start, it is so much easier for the sheep to believe lies than the truth , and it is easier to believe Ron Paul has all the answers when he does not. He speaks words and acts like this is enough when in these days ,it is not and he knows full well that this is the case. He speaks to me of the constitution, when we have no constitution. he speaks to me of rule of law when there is none and has been none for a long time. He is in belly of the beast and he says these things to me? Am I supposed to think that he does not know all of these things? I sincerely hope not. He knows . But then his sychophantic followers say , well he can't really say what he is thinking because it might jeopardize his political position. Oh please. How long must we swallow this swill? If you can't stand for something and do it forcefully then go home.  I know for a fact that JBS was long ago infiltrated but let us just not think about that shall we, while we follow the Ron Paul bus to another sterling pyrrhic  false victory in another false election cycle and in the end , we lose again.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 21:05 | 1077262 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Ron Paul says that "freedom is popular" and he means just that. The people who like Ron Paul are people who want to be free to follow their own path and they do not look for one man to plod along after. If you don't know something that basic how can you reasonably set yourself up as some kind of authority on Ron Paul his allies?

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 10:16 | 1078481 High Plains Drifter
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Alex Jones supports Ron Paul and that is good enough for me. I know Alex Jones and if he likes him, then this must mean something. Alex Jones is some kind of agent of the opposition, in case you might wonder about that.  Can't you see what is happening here?  I woke up this morning and the first thought in my mind was what Ron Paul is doing and how he is doing it. I remember back in the 90's when the Republicans took the house of Representatives. I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh all the time during those years. He was going on and on about what a great thing this was. I am a conservative, or at the time at least I thought I was. Now I consider myself a American patriot, if that matters. But I digress. Anyway things appeared to start looking up and I as hoping that the situation in Washington DC would get better for me and the American people. Well nothing of importance happened. It was after some obvious disappointments that Limbaugh started making excuses for the Republican party. I remember it very clearly. He said well since they have never lead before, they must learn to lead. We must get control of both houses so we can control things. I said to myself. Well maybe he is right. Maybe if we get control of the Senate things will happen for the team. It finally happened. Then no law helping the American people happened. Then Limbaugh as if on cue, in order to quell the unrest in his listeners said, well , now we need to get the Presidency. By this time, question marks were going off in my head and I was very puzzled and confused about it all and above all else I was angry. So it happened. Bush was elected and achieved his position with the unconstitutional help of the US Supreme Court. Now I know, of course, as I look back now, that it would not have mattered. All of these men are the same. They just act like they are different to please us. They are all controlled by the same people. But I digress again. Anyway Limbaugh was very happy about it all and tried to tell his listeners that now things would really start happening for conservatives. But then 911 happened and you know the rest of it on that count. Nothing good ever happened for conservatives, nothing. They controlled both houses, they controlled the Presidency and many states were blue states and nothing happened still. By this time, they were slowly losing me and I was starting to examine this system we had and I started noticing (finally I might add) how nothing never seemed to get any better for us and it always seemed to get worse and worse , no matter who was in. Then Limbaugh got caught doctor shopping for powerful narcotics, and it was about this time, I was starting to question the whole damn mess.  This is the short of it for me.

I tell you the above story to tell you this.  Can you not see that Ron Paul is doing the same thing as mentioned above? Can't you see this. Limbaugh kept making excuses for the Republicans as they continued to get more and more power, yet nothing ever happened for the American people. Ron Paul does the same damn thing. He makes excuses. In the last election cycle he just quit. Well we can't win anyway until we get stronger etc etc......Well we need more people involved and more money and more people waking up etc etc....He won't go near 911 and refuses to talk about it. He now sits as the head of the powerful house banking committee, yet nothing is happening now. I am seeing this crap and I am saying to myself. Gee where have we seen this before? This obvious bifurcation and stonewalling and constant delays, etc..Where and when I have seen this before?  Hmmmm.....So the game with Paul is a waiting game and a game of deliberate confusion and deliberate stalling. I will say this now. I see it as it is. I saw it in the 90's with Limbaugh and now I am seeing it with Ron Paul.  You follow this man blindly if you so desire. It will only lead to disappointment. 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 12:25 | 1078917 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Ron Paul said that Alex Jones puts words in his mouth. Just because Jones tries to glom onto Ron Paul doesn't make Ron Paul a bad guy.

Like Alex Jones you seem to have had expectations that Ron Paul would save the world for you. He can't and he never said he could. He's just one man speaking the truth as he sees it. I respect that.

And what do you mean when you suggest that I "blindly follow" Ron Paul? What specific actions do you believe I have undertaken or have failed to undertake at the behest of Ron Paul? What were the negative consequences of these actions?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:40 | 1076870 Drag Racer
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Denmark, Netherlands and Turkey want in on the fun as well...

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 03:16 | 1078080 Ahmeexnal
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Denmark? Didn't those asshats sink their own navy in WWII....and then their king fled to the U.K. carrying all their gold????

Hmm...no, those were the norwegians. Same thing.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:05 | 1076964 waterdog
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Our highly advanced seamen need to remember only one thing to get out of this without anyone getting injured; stay behind the submarines.

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:06 | 1076970 knukles
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Next round domestic fiscal stimulus;
Vomitorium in every God Fearing American town center....

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:18 | 1077012 rlouis
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A question that hasn't been asked:  Can Iran be provoked into making some sort of fatal mistake?

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:33 | 1077055 knukles
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Like taking my wife?  Please.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 02:22 | 1078026 JW n FL
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

ROTFLMFAO!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:17 | 1077014 kaiserhoff
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And the boots on the ground are coming from?..., oh, yeah, those guys Kadaffi has been stomping the shit out of.  Oops.

Don't underestimate a cut-throat thug operating on his own turf.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:33 | 1077052 slewie the pi-rat
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when i first read this, i just started laughing!  talk about an assymetric response! 

moQ must be quite flattered, even as his u-trou is being airlifted to japan for incineration.

elmer fudd will probably get:  oil...coalition of forces...africa...moslems...support for rebel forces, and come to some understanding he can live with as he gets the groceries, the car serviced, and the radioactive dust hosed off the roof. 

the People of America, howver, may not be too fuking pleased at having the UN authorize this particular use of OUR military, even tho we know the FED can just print the money and WE will then owe it someone after the elites spend it.

the best part of this, from the perspective of the ongoing awakening of the People of America, is the New World Order showing its hand so brazenly in its use of the American Puppet Goobermint to fuk the American People in the ass while furthering its own fascist hegemony.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:51 | 1077110 chinaguy
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For fuck sake 110 cruise missiles? those damn things cost 1/2 million each....so $55 million in one afternoon...just on missiles...How much did McDonnell Douglas contribute to Obummer's campaign?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:09 | 1077135 malek
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Wow!
So cheap? That's chump change nowadays. And Paul Krugman surely will declare soon that this falls short of restarting the economy.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:44 | 1077219 CitizenPete
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Yeah exactly!  And just think of all the BROKEN WINDOWS!

 

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 21:14 | 1077288 Yen Cross
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Yes, but they orbit BITCH. Round 2.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 23:01 | 1077524 knukles
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CNN's banner a short while ago said that the US cruise missiles hit one (1) military truck.
Accuracy, understatement, ignorance, waste of time or hyperbole?

Let's hear it for that reporting....
Shades of CNN's Charles Jacko live from Kuwait shot in front of a blue screen whilst stoned waiting for the pizza delivery man. 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 04:12 | 1078124 savagegoose
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maybe they where close to their expirey date

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:03 | 1077115 Hannibal
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WAR IS PEACE

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:42 | 1077217 CitizenPete
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Freedom is Slavery

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 11:09 | 1078669 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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Michelle Obama is elegant.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:57 | 1077117 Reese Bobby
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Sometimes I get sick of the moral certitude of ZH commentators.

Many seems to bemoan the loss of American values but don't want to think about what that means.

It doesn't mean placidly turning over the world's oil resources to fund the Islamic Army of Satan.

It means facing up to the fact that America was never meant to be a Secular Democratic State.

I won't elaborate because anyone who bothers to read this will tend to rage indignantly to this simple fact.  And some will understand but bemoan the fact there is no likely way back to our Country's true roots...

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 21:19 | 1077269 ebworthen
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I'll agree with you just to piss you off.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 23:06 | 1077543 knukles
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Me too.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 02:30 | 1078037 Xkwisetly Paneful
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WOW a breath of fresh air in the usually polluted self loathing neo marxist cesspool. Please post more frequently.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 11:18 | 1078702 Reese Bobby
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"...polluted self loathing neo marxist cesspool."

Well said..and funny.  God Bless.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 12:42 | 1078959 falak pema
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You refer to the Mohicans and Chingachgook...So brave and generous of you to go back 250 years. Of course, the world has been functioning for much longer...but that is of irrelevance to a true blooded american indian like you...

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 23:29 | 1080528 Xkwisetly Paneful
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yes crapping in holes, using leaves as TP, using fire to cook dinner counts as functional around here,

in fact still preferred by many here over the evils of nuke or fossil fuel power, just ask around.

 

we got that already.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:28 | 1077179 Peak Everything
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My son asked me for my opinion and I told him:

- we are broke and can't afford another conflict

- we don't know if the new leader will be better or worse

- we ignore many other more evil dictators because they lack oil

- Gaddafi exists because we buy his stuff and have supported him in the past

- Arab neighbors with lots of money and military gear should be taking the lead but do not even help

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:32 | 1077194 redpill
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Italy is a stone's throw away, and they are the ones with oil at stake, why do we need to be involved?

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 11:21 | 1078712 Reese Bobby
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Because in Gulf War I we had to send the Italian airforce home as they usually came back with their bombs undropped...seriously.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 12:49 | 1078975 falak pema
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In Gulf War I the US on past performance had acquired the reputation of being crack shots at taking down their own front line allies. That is why Mitterrand of France insisted that the french contingent stay as far as possible of line of fire of US troops. Even if that meant being isolated and alone when facing the enemy. With friends like that who needs enemies...It worked...They lost few soldiers. But that was also because Saddam had a traffic jam on his highway back to Baghdad that ground all his assets to a halt. He was no Xenophon.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 23:28 | 1080522 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Sure and in Gulf War II the French insisted the economic sanctions were working while lining Saddam's pockets in the corrupt food for oil program.

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:51 | 1077237 jbc77
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Can anyone enlighten me as to what type of military capabilities Gadhfi has. Thanks.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 21:20 | 1077312 BigJim
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Had.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 21:04 | 1077261 ebworthen
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110 Tomahawk missles?

Gawd, I know the factories at home could use some work but that's alot of my tax money down the tubes (pun intended).

Can't the French and Italians pay for this one?  I mean really, this is about the PIIGS and oil really...

Let's not waste the life of one U.S. service member please...

 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 21:52 | 1077388 redpill
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And trust me they are happier than PIIGS in shit that we're taking over their primary oil source.

 

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