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Super Typhoon Songda Projected To Pass Over Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant

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So far the only good news to accompany the Fukushima catastrophe has been that for all the fallout, the radiation has been mostly contained due to Northwesterly winds which have been blowing any radioactivity mostly out and into the Pacific (coupled with relatively little rainfall), as well as the dispersion of irradiated cooling water which promptly enters the Pacific after which it is never heard of or seen again (there is at least a several year period before 3 eyed tuna fish feature prominently in restaurants across the country). This may be changing soon now that Super Typhoon Songda, which according to Weather Underground will form shortly as a Category 5 storm with 156+ mph winds, will take a northeasterly direction and 2 days later will pass right above Fukushima. The good news: by the time it passes over Fukushima, Songda will be merely a Tropical storm. The bad news: by the time it passes over Fukushima, Songda will be a Tropical storm. As the latest dispersion projection from ZAMG shows, over the next two days the I-131 plume will be covering all of the mainland. Although judging by how prominent this whole topic is in the MSM lately, it seems that conventional wisdom now agrees with Ann Coulter that radioactivity is actually quite good for you.

From wunderground.com:

And the latest plume projection:

http://www.zamg.ac.at/pict/wetter/sonderwetter/fuku/20110526_I-131_FUKU.gif

h/t Dave Narby

 

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Thu, 05/26/2011 - 16:54 | 1314350 GetZeeGold
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Oh Fuk.

 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:05 | 1314415 Jim Cramer
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Well at least that will wash out the radiation.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:13 | 1314441 Popo
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...and bring it to California

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:20 | 1314467 Fiat2Zero
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It's been coming to Cali via the jetstream. This may reduce it for those of us on the west coast.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:53 | 1314776 Fukushima Sam
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I am vigorously attempting to summon Gamera, but so far no success!

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 20:09 | 1314967 ATM
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Mothra dropped a large foam boulder on his head. Gamera will never be heard from again.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 06:24 | 1315768 Harlequin001
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Well, that should stir things up a bit...

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 05:05 | 1315734 Michael
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Japan wrote the book on how to hide your nations bank debt obligations after their RE collapse, and the USA followed their program to the letter.

Japan deserves everything they get for coming up with that scam.

 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 15:21 | 1317888 SerfDude
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Unfortunately, neither typhoons nor radiation are selectively targetted at only bankers and other scammers.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 21:07 | 1315129 majia
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very, very high levels in phoenix posted today at radnet... 160 beta, which was near our posted high.

No I do not believe radnet (or the EPA) but if they are posting 160 it probably is or has been recently very much worse!

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 08:38 | 1315920 mayhem_korner
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very, very high levels in phoenix posted today

gamma rays or immigrants...?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:21 | 1314473 wang
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@Tyler17 (early evening shift Tyler), love the headlines but unless it's Cat 3 or above weather is boring, any chance you could cobble together another Sara Palin article please?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:47 | 1314565 Max Hunter
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++  LOL.. have to admit.. Thought that Palin article was better suited for the Huffington Post..

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:25 | 1314691 divide_by_zero
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+1 Palin sure does get progressive's panties to bunch tightly.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 08:25 | 1315817 GetZeeGold
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Give me two cat 5s....please hold the Sarah.

 

 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:48 | 1314570 JW n FL
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that is beyond a cat 5.. it is a super typhoon!

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:30 | 1314695 Conchy Joe
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Seriously - As long as it doesn't make it to a Radioactive Mutant Mega Super Typhoon it ought to be ok....

http://thenhbushmantyphoon.blogspot.com/2011/05/ts-songda-pre-chedeng-up...

 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 16:14 | 1318048 JamesBond
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LMAO

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:13 | 1314453 legal eagle
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Ann Coulter, what a cunt.

 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:27 | 1314498 tmosley
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M. Night Shamalan: Ann Coulter, what a twat!

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 07:50 | 1315820 GetZeeGold
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Talk slut.

 

Yours truly,

Ed Schlitz

 

 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:49 | 1314573 Hephasteus
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She ejactulates spider webbing when she orgasms. You just fear the x-men mutants. Timmy and Bernank can walk right through a vault wall and steal your dollars through inflation because they is mutants.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:18 | 1314474 drink or die
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Don't worry, as soon as they get that power line run to the reactors, they can put up the circus tent over it and protect it from the winds/rain.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:23 | 1314679 HK
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Wait, your story's incomplete, you forgot the damn garden hose to cool it down and the sawdust and newspapers to plug the leaks.  There, I fixed it for ya.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:39 | 1314537 jus_lite_reading
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YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN!!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THIS!!!

http://fiatsfire.blogspot.com/2011/05/theatrical-thursday-greenpeace-sla...

PLEASE BE SAFE!!! TS is HTF right NOW!

 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:53 | 1314586 1100-TACTICAL-12
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OT: Stormed the Capitol building with Alex Jone's, and a couple of hundred more freedom lover's yesterday. My first time out of my comfort zone. Revolution try it, you just might like it..

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:11 | 1314652 Clycntct
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Revolution is never off topic.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 16:52 | 1314358 the not so migh...
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Wind, rain and Neutrino particles.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 16:52 | 1314360 augie
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we have just lost cabin pressure.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:19 | 1314464 fuu
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<golf clap>

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:43 | 1314552 jus_lite_reading
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CHECK THIS OUT!!

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/05/tepco-areva-contract-to-treat.html

BIG SCANDAL!!! MAYBE THE BIGGEST EVER!!

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 22:40 | 1315358 tom a taxpayer
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AREVA, the French nuclear company now French water treatment company. Better use a geiger counter to check any French bottled water or Japanese bottled water...especially water bottled at Fukushima springs.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 16:53 | 1314363 SilverDoctors
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Holy crap! Add this to 204 SIEVERTS of radiation/ hr now at reactor No. 1...and maybe those doomsdayers were right!

http://silverdoctors.blogspot.com/2011/05/radiation-in-fukushima-no-1-re...

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:05 | 1314417 bankrun
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No worries... we're back down to 40...

http://atmc.jp/plant/rad/?n=1

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:19 | 1314479 Fiat2Zero
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I'm going to hazard a guess and say this means it is through the drywall. Either that or it magically burned iself out (doubtful).

Radioactive geyser from groundwater in 10...9...8..,

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:50 | 1314583 Hephasteus
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It can drop. Plutonium is weird. It changes it's crystal structure at various temperatures. If it went through a a lattice change due to heating up some or getting some extra coolng it could very well drop that dramatically.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:36 | 1314720 Fiat2Zero
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Do they all use the MOX fuel (I thought only unit 3 used Plutonium)?

Also, look at the graph.  I'm no expert, but I recall the yellow graph being high (inside containment), up to 200 sv.  This then swapped to the drywall (200sv, now flat inside).  My interpretation is it melted through and was sitting on the drywall for 3 days, at that high level.

So what's it doing for 3 days on the drywall at 200?  It's probably eating through it right?

I guess it's hard to know definitively, we're in ambiguous and uncharted territory.  I agree that it could cool down for a variety of reasons, but we could also just be seeing the reading for material that is now 15 feet down from the sensor, buried in the earth.  Or is there something that indicates this is not happening?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 19:21 | 1314818 Hephasteus
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Yep. That's the thing. This thing is a dozen simultaneous equations with a couple more dozen unknowns.

Some say 650 tons of fuel in total with 40 tons of it being something like 90 percent moxed. Some say 800 tons in total with 40 tons of it being some really high moxed number. Plutonium is paramagentic if it takes a different shape on the pool floor it can drop radiation dramatically. Pluto bombs use ring cores so that the majority of excess neutrons focus out instead of back in on itself. So there's all sorts of things that could be going on. Their's excess neutrons even in the fuel level stuff so it could be slowly and surely buliding up the fuel towards plutonium. Most fuel grade is 3 excess neutrons on an an average time scale of 2 to 4 per decay event.

Lots of things could be happening. Support beams could be melting into the mix moving it around. It could be dripping out into the cracks. Who knows. Even though zero hedge talks about using robots that's a problem. You send in a robot with modern electronics and if you don't pack it in boron or cover it in  lead it's going to fry it's ass off or just compute up a bunch of nothings. Most things aren't radiation hardened and the stuff that is, is likely just cook book recipes without much in the way of real testing.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 22:26 | 1315279 Element
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Exactly, you put it very well. 

And I noticed that several MSM outlets are still trying to fly the idea that only part of the fuel has melted and exited the PVs.

That is nonsense, and here's why.

The fuel has ABLATED - not merely melted through - it VAPORIZED through ~6-inches of toughened stainless steel in a matter of hours, and almost all of that time it was still bathed in boiling water and steam.

People still don’t get that the actual melting occurs extremely quickly, and that it can quickly become much hotter than any blast furnace. This actual molten phase in the PV probably lasted no more than a couple of minutes, or even a few tens of seconds, before the vessel wall/base was simply gone.

Not merely heated and deformed, but converted to VAPOR - a gas creating froth in a white hot roiling froth of high-pressure partially fissionable metal.

There were many tones of liquid metal-froth when it finally jetted out, and probably did so near supersonic speed, downward, with incredible mechanical shock and thermal energy and it WILL have without a doubt have blown much of the drywell floor to gravel, in under a second.

i.e. a molten jet instantly dug itself into a pit of shattered concrete, like a high mass and high kinetic energy malleable slug that instantly created out-gassing and consumed a large areas of the concrete foundation.

This is TONNES of heavy incandescent metal, a dense froth is accelerated out under both extreme pressure, and also gravity.

Are we expected to believe some fuel-rods survived and remain in the PV?

Or that at least part of the concrete floor of the secondary containment was not pulverized to gravel and dust on impact of the molten jet's escape?

I'm sure some of you understand that modern Main Batle Tank's armor is penetrated via hitting it with a high-speed dense molten jet of metal froma shaped-charge.

That's basically what is getting shot out the base of the PV (many tonnes of it), only its more like a hose than a single explosive transient puncturing, so it can bore a deep hole into the foundation extremely quickly.

The extreme radiation flux will have 'activated' (made unstable and radioactive) the pressure vessel's remaining metal, plus pasted walls with fuel-goo that hardened after the core jetted out. The drywell wall was smashed by thermal and mechanical shock, and the interior of the secondary containment was splattered with incandescent goo. But most of it dug a deep cavity into the concrete, then 'stabilized' as a gassy metal pool that eats up concrete.

The time for the corium to deposit into the concrete probably took less than 1-second.

The whole idea that super-hot and super-pressurized corium dripped out over weeks is utter nonsense!

It's all a failure to appreciate the conditions necessary for rapid ablation of 6 inches of stainless steel.

This is NOT a relocating partial-melt like at TMI.

This is metal at much higher than 3,000K, and frothing white-hot.

Frothing lowers density and prevents or reduces near-critical explosion geometry, as the melt modifies its density, in this way, as the heat runs-up, to ablation/vaporization energy levels creating a boiling froth.

This froth and vapor is why we are seeing broken connective pipes and concrete debris around the plant with staggering levels of radioactivity on them.

Such conditions imply ZERO fuel rod remained solid in the now completely vaporized 'core'.

The 'cores' of the reactors are GONE.

The 'core' is just atomic vapor that was deposited all over Fukushima and the North Pacific, etc.

The residual radiation in the PV walls and remaining base is mostly the solidified goo, on the walls, and we are seeing secondary 'activation' radioactivity within the surrounding metals of the PV, and its connective apparatus.

So don’t be fooled by radiation readings from the PV - it is now irrelevant.

About 95% of that fuel is in the foundation base mat and the goo on outer containment walls.

And I guarantee, No.3 is going to be a big problem in coming months and years, as the fuel is much more reactive, and generates much more heat, and it will generate that heat for much longer than any of the other reactors.

And this is why I’m fairly sure we’re still not seeing the worst release Daiichi is going to serve up.

(and this ignores the SFP pools … which are also yet to do their worst)

 

The MSM are still being fed the hopey koolaide that none of the above has happened, that the drippy doggy-doo thesis is how the fuel pellets exited, ... and that they may not have even melted ... and that really is doggy-doo.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 22:52 | 1315387 tom a taxpayer
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Thank you for the insight into man-made hell.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 23:37 | 1315479 Cathartes Aura
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staggeringly visual, visceral description - thank you for taking the time to share it Element.

bookmarked to share with others. . .

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 00:54 | 1315585 Hephasteus
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Yes excellent analysis. I keep think of the reactor 1 that blew the top and it not being able to act in a pressurized manner. The others sure are free to do that and as you said #3 can bring the pain.

People don't understand how hot this stuff is. Or how fast it can work through any kind of material. Both with heat and by destroying it at a distance with neutron bombardment.

 

 

 

 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 02:45 | 1315680 majia
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I'm sorry to ask but what happens next? Will that goo in the foundation base mat stay there? What happens to it? I need to know whether I should take my kids to Chile  :(

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 03:27 | 1315696 Hephasteus
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Whatever happens it's going to make chernobyl look like a cake walk.

A bit before 25 minutes in to see the empty pressure vessel and chernobyl and the discovery of where the fuel went.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5384001427276447319#docid=-5968...

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 03:29 | 1315697 PhattyBuoy
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@element - excellent !!!

I still say 1 of these 4 goes KA-boom in an unexpectedly epic fashion ... this is FAR from over.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 08:22 | 1315872 goldfish1
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Now THAT I can understand. Kind of.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 13:38 | 1317436 sschu
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Thank you and Element for your terrific posts on the nature of the problem we are dealing with, that is the near incomprehensible energy and forces at work in a nuclear reactor.

Some have postulated that the Unit #3 explosion was more than the SFP and a hydrogen buildup.  The theory is the top of the PV is now off and the reaction from the PV is exposed to the environment.  Kind of like Chernobyl.

If this is true, then it is a game changer IMHO as any chance (if there was one) of containing this situation is now moot and massive radioactive contamination of Japan and beyond is now assured.  Perhaps you guys could comment on these "Internet rumors"

Txs, sschu

  

 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 15:10 | 1317851 dugorama
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yes, down to 40.  Now an emergency worker can survive for something like 7 minutes before puking to death.  and a robot will have time to wheel itself all the way through the doorway before the circuit boards catch fire.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:02 | 1314369 HamyWanger
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Will a full nuclear fallout allow LULU or CMG to finally lose a few points? 

Not so sure... 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:00 | 1314380 buzzsaw99
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The Jap oligarchs will get the underclass to clean up the radioactivity for ten cents a day.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:09 | 1314426 Jim Cramer
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There is no radioactivity. They have it under control didn't you hear?????

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:01 | 1314385 mayhem_korner
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This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:10 | 1314430 Jim Cramer
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Actually the rapture happened a few days ago.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:26 | 1314496 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Thats what they will tell the poor fools that are sent to clean this mess up.  Today is your rapture day.  Or, you are the BIGGEST LOSER, GOODBYE!!

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:01 | 1314396 DutchR
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Dilution is good, no?-

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:06 | 1314407 Sweet Chicken
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no

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 19:44 | 1314900 Dejean Splicer
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LoL. Dilution is good! Yea, it's excellent. Dilution is excellent. LoL.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:03 | 1314404 DutchR
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@SilverDoctors, 

Nah its all good now: http://atmc.jp/plant/rad/

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:07 | 1314427 NotApplicable
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Let me guess, it took 4 days for the core to melt through the secondary containment floor, and is no longer in the building to emit radiation within it.

Now, how long until it hits the water table? Or will the storm finish it off first?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:06 | 1314406 unky
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I would worry if it goes the other direction. But going east-wards is not a big problem i guess (rather than a storm going west-wards)

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:07 | 1314408 NotApplicable
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And I'll bet that spent fuel pool at Reactor 4 is well protected against tropical storms. Meanwhile, Reactor 1 will finally get cooled.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:25 | 1314492 NotApplicable
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Dear Junker,

Can you not see the sarcasm in the post? Or does it offend your delicate nature?

As usual though, you work in a cowardly nature, obviously lacking the ability to refute ideas, choosing instead to piss on them, like a random dog marking out territory in another's yard. Keep up the good work!

Sincerely,

Your Greatest Fan

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:39 | 1314550 Antarctico
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Why sweat getting junked?  The way I look at it, if you are posting and not getting junked from time to time, you are simply being too dull, lame, non-confrontational, or otherwise boring to bother with. Of course, trolls who try to get junked on purpose are whole other creatures, and they should be forcibly put down the deadliest mockery and snark available. :D

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:53 | 1314585 NotApplicable
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I don't mind junks that I understand. The random ones though, well, it would be nice to know why (as well as who), so I would know whether it's worth it or not to reply.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:09 | 1314643 buzzsaw99
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There is a loose cannon junker that haunts this place from time to time. Sometimes you just rub someone the wrong way. Some people collect junks on purpose. Don't sweat it.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:26 | 1314693 Antarctico
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...I would know whether it's worth it or not to reply.

That's an easy one to answer -- junks are never worth a reply. Hell, quite often replies aren't worth a reply.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:38 | 1314727 Fiat2Zero
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Answer => Don't feed the trolls.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:40 | 1314734 Conchy Joe
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Junked by a jerk = internet version of winning a daytime emmy award.

Just like an Emmy it's recognition of your "performance art" + in the big picture utterly a non-event.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 08:24 | 1315877 goldfish1
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Give a fuck about junkers who can't formulate a complete sentence to clarify their position?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:32 | 1314532 slewie the pi-rat
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see if #4 remains standing.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:41 | 1314544 NotApplicable
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Oh not to worry, I'm sure it's leaning against the wind.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:55 | 1314594 Bob Dobbs
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#4 does have pronounced lean.  I'm sure the spent fuel pool will be OK if it collapses.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 19:50 | 1314915 Dejean Splicer
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I was thinking the same thing Slewie. I can't wait till that fucker falls. Let's escalate this thing NOW, instead of a slow roast. Polluting the globe, land and sea, with radiation in the name of profiteering.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:15 | 1314447 williambanzai7
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Gee wiz, why didn't any of us think of this ;-)

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:14 | 1314457 Overflow-admin
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The positive is, most of the radioactive dust from unit 3 detonation has fallen in the ocean. But that is a sarcasm.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:18 | 1314462 nah
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Baron Phillipe Rothschild once exclaimed that the time to buy was "when there is blood in the streets." bitchez

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:53 | 1314775 Stax Edwards
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And he was correct.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 08:04 | 1315835 sells2soon
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What about radiation?  Did the Baron have any thoughts about what to do when it was in the streets?  The air?  The water?  Just about everywhere else...

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:18 | 1314463 Jasper M
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It's called "hormesis", genius. Look it up. 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:44 | 1314554 NotApplicable
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Funny, internal contamination isn't listed in that Wikipedia page anywhere. So... gotta point?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:21 | 1314472 Bagbalm
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It's northern Hemisphere so the storm turns counterclockwise looking down. If it goes right over the first half of the storm will blow it all inland.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:27 | 1314510 Fiat2Zero
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Yep, and since it's a low pressure area it will start by sucking the radioactive air into it's vortex. When it hits land (or comes near) it will be taking that radioactivity, as well as the radioactive water, and coating japan. Not to mention further plant damage.

A season of radioactive hurricanes lasting from april to January.

One of the scariest clusterfuck collaborations between man and nature, virtually ignored by the MSM.

We are in pretty deep.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:03 | 1314631 slewie the pi-rat
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the storm will abate, somewhat,  before it get to tokyo, it looks like.  still, when are the high tides? 

look:  here is the monster from opening the top graphic in another window and getting the satellite imagery:  Tropical Storm: Storm-Centered Satellite Image : Weather Underground

wow!  this is a category 5, right now.  high tides will be devastating.  it should be a BIG tropical storm by the time it gets to tokyo & fuk_u, but no longer a typhoon/hurricane.  just below that level.  not so bad, but with a ton of rain, i'm sure, which will take much of the radioactivity down with it.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:40 | 1314737 Fiat2Zero
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Yeah, think they got rid of all that radioactive water? Guess again, it's all coming back in the form of rain from the typhoon.

Ground water is double plus toast.

Very bullish for individual servings of bottled water in Tokyo.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 23:23 | 1315451 That Peak Oil Guy
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The government has not even passed donated geiger counters out to the population!

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/05/geiger-counters-dosimeters-from-us.html

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:22 | 1314480 Bastiat
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Posted earlier today on another thread but worth repeating:

An open letter from dairy farmers on the Big Island of Hawaii shares some solutions for working with radiation problems in milk.

 

Dear Milk Share Members,
Our goal to offer high quality safe food to our community has recently been challenged in the reality of the radioactivity being released into our environment. In the past weeks radioactive levels have increased in Hawaii, with high spikes and a more current leveling off of radiation levels. Milk from the large dairies in Hamakua and Hawi has shown elevated levels of radiation, from 400 to 2400 times the recognized safe levels

http://hawaiihealthguide.com/healthtalk/display.htm?id=915&hhsid=9ea42c3...

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:30 | 1314521 Fiat2Zero
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They are feeding cows boron in an attempt to mop up the radiation.

Not to be too self-centered but my plans to retire to Hawaii may be irrevocably altered. Perhaps there's space under the mountains in Denver...

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:06 | 1314642 Bastiat
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Have been planning a trip to the big island for the fall -- holding off on the tickets.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:25 | 1314677 whoopsing
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Fiat2zero,they are also suggesting that human's can consume boron and bentonite,might come in handy if thing's get any more clusterfuckish than they already are

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:36 | 1314733 HK
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Yeah Whoopsing, I live in Hawaii and have been taking some bentonite, apple pectin and baking soda daily while increasing my antioxidants.  But I"ll tell ya, if it gets any worse, I'm going to give up milk and start pouring my stash of Jack Daniels over my Wheaties.... breakfast of champions.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:42 | 1314740 Fiat2Zero
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I live in CA and I've been taking something like bentonite clay called Zeolite, which is volcanic ash. That and the odd baking soda and epsom salt baths.

Sssh people think I'm C-R-A-Z-Y.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 20:34 | 1315042 Hephasteus
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I really hope you're in south caliornia. Because if not you are in big danger. Well we are all in big danger. It's just a matter of timing at this point.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 08:30 | 1315886 goldfish1
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expound plz.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:42 | 1314747 Conchy Joe
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I have a friend who works with radiation for cancer treatments - they say watermelon is the best thing you can eat + it tastes great with a light sprinkling of iodized salt

http://watermelons0123.blogspot.com/2010/06/watermelon-is-known-as-most-...

Buy the Delicious Melons Bitches!

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:37 | 1314534 NotApplicable
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In other news today, the Dept. of Homeland Security has classified 'Milk Share' as a terrorist organization.

Secretary Janet Napolitano went further stating "There will be no private testing of milk, mad cows, or anything else that could undermine the validity of government testing. Sharing information on how to make milk safe implies that it is not, undermining the confidence of the American public, and is no different than yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. Simply put, we will not allow our authority to be bypassed by such dangerous private schemes. To believe they are necessary is to take the side of tinfoil-hat conspirators."

"At this point in time, in order to restore calm to the populace, we are ordering the suspension of all further food testing."

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 19:59 | 1314937 Dejean Splicer
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Link please. Not that I question your post but reading the original will infuriate me to the proper degree.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 20:39 | 1315047 Mad Cow
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"There will be no private testing of milk, mad cows, or anything else that could undermine the validity of government testing."

That's good to know because I get enough tests from those alien abductions.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:44 | 1314566 Antarctico
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Worth repeating, indeed.  Even though this is not surprising, it is still all sorts of fucked up. 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:23 | 1314482 alien-IQ
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Get ready for the "Super Typhoon GDP Boost because death and destruction is good for the Economy" Rally.

Of course...it'll require a shorter title...

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:26 | 1314493 I Got Worms
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Go long earless rabbits.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 17:53 | 1314603 mogul rider
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Nothing to fear here, the hyperinflationaists say it doesn't matter what we do we are screwed anyway.

Now those of us who really do give a shit have a plan

RUN!!!

 

To where I have no idea but go anyway

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:16 | 1314655 buzzsaw99
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That freaking thing is going to carry the radiation right to the usa.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:45 | 1314751 Fiat2Zero
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I have my doubts buzz saw. The jet stream is far more effective at carrying the radioactivity here. It's been hitting (wait, didn't you get the memo?).

The low pressure should suck the radioactivity into the gyre. If you get hit by the arms, then you'd be getting the radiation.

I guess it could still get into the jet stream.

Any climate experts out there?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:20 | 1314671 Weaseldog
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Saw that coming. If not this storm another one will make the mess worse.

They've been really lucky that the weather has been great.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:33 | 1314707 QQQBall
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A radioactive Typhoon is almost beyond comprehension. A regular typhoon is awesome, but a radioactive one...

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:36 | 1314718 zebra
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make it so Star Trek.. plasma storm.. anti-matter cloud... glowing seas

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:32 | 1314711 zebra
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when can we expect to buy 3-eye sea bass at Costco?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:48 | 1314769 Eternal Student
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You already can. It's right next to the mad-cow beef that they sell.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 20:44 | 1315059 Mad Cow
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Hey wait a minute, what?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 22:17 | 1315307 Eternal Student
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Heh. You lucky bovine. Costco wants to give you a free membership card. All you have to do is to walk in. :)

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:35 | 1314728 Reese Bobby
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This should be popular:  I like an Coulter and usually agree with her.  While her radiation piece was controversial I haven't seen it effectively refuted, (although I could have missed it).  Fukushima may be a true nuclear disaster due to the magnitude.  But I also observe most big city born liberals are an hysterical bunch. 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:45 | 1314753 TomJoad
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Some things are so far beyond the pale, they aren't worth refuting.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:45 | 1314761 Reese Bobby
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However this type of comment is not in short supply.

As the NY Times says, "blah, blah, blah...and that is not debatable."

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:48 | 1314766 Fiat2Zero
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Are you troll bating?

Fukushima has been classified as level 7, which is the highest disaster level. They may have to invent a level 8, which effectively means, "RUN, DON'T TURN AROUND, RADIOACTIVE TYPHOON...".

No one is saying "well, it's not as bad as Chernobyl" anymore because it has surpassed it. Think about it, very populated island, 4 reactors out of control spewing radioactivity for months.

Seriously, take the red pill. It'll only feel weird for a minute...

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:57 | 1314792 Reese Bobby
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I don't troll, much.  My comment record is mostly serious and I conceded Fukishima may be the real deal.  I was just reacting to the author's Coulter reference.  And then my low opinion of big city liberals slipped out.  But I am serious about every word I wrote.  Feel free to send some tangible facts my way...

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:56 | 1314781 Fiat2Zero
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I'll bother Billy Bob.

A few micro grams (micro, 10 to the minus six) of plutonium if ingested will kill you over a period of a few months.

If you want to see what happens when you ingest something radioactive, you can google and watch the sad tale of former russian spy (he got polonium-210, but hey, that's not as bad
for you as plutonium and far easy to get your hands on).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko

Find his youtube excerpts - you get to watch him slowly erode over the course of a couple of months talking about who may have poisoned him.

Plutonium, it's not just for breakfast anymore!

Ann Coulter's opinions, they aren't even wrong.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:58 | 1314796 Reese Bobby
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Our comments crossed.  Thank you.  I will read and watch with interest...

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 19:25 | 1314855 Reese Bobby
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I remember Litvinenko.  It seems entirely unclear to me if you can compare the direct ingestion of PO210 to broader radiation events.

Wouldn't it be nice if there was a respected and trusted source of information on nuclear accidents?

I do not think it is fair to say, "Ann Coulter's opinions."  You would be more accurate to say, "the scientific opinions Ann Coulter cites."

Unfortunately you don't seem to be the refuting "expert" I was hoping for...

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 20:31 | 1315035 Mr. Denny Kneel
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What about the country side liberals? Feeling left out!

Please cascade the gyser of your stereotypical generalization over us too!

Oh, and by the way - illogical rhetoric is still rhetoric. Coulter knows exactly what she needs to say in order to drive book sales.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 22:13 | 1315235 Reese Bobby
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Country liberals are an extreme minority except in Vermont, where they are always twisted stoned.

Country liberals are best known for an irrational hatred for books; never associated with logic; about as useful as a moose in a cow field...

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 20:53 | 1315084 majia
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I spent nearly every day for 2 weeks researching the effects of low-levels of ionizing radiation using my library's data base, Science Direct. I'm an academic. This is our most technical database that covers science and medicine. I didn't have an agenda. I really just wanted to know what the literature had to say.

There is absolute consensus that low levels of ionizing radiation cause a variety of problems, especially DNA transcription errors.

The hormetic effect may, perhaps, be real in some limited circumstances of very low level exposures (single dose--not continuous), but the way it supposedly works is that the incident of a very low level of radiation exposure prompts cell repair activity.

There is very little scientific interest in this phenomenon (outside of researchers who are working in the nuclear power industry--no kidding on that) because the phenomenon isn't generalizable. That is, there are so many variables that mediate radiation's effects that the same dose in one person causing no discernable efffect could cause significant DNA damage in another person. Individual health differences, smoking, environmental exposures, age, diet--these factors are all at play and the hormetic effect may simply be a manifestation of a better functioning immune system.

In comparison to the limited research by industry scientists on the hormetic effect, there is a whole literature of case and laboratory studies on the detrimental effects of ionizing radiation. I've posted some of those studies at zerohedge and on my blog http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/

Sadly, the growing literature on Chernobyl documents the myriad effects of exposure, especially to internal emitters introduced through the food chain.

http://www.strahlentelex.de/Yablokov%20Chernobyl%20book.pdf

Today I spoke to a woman who developed lymphoma in her early 20s. She was born in Romania. She tells me many young women her age (late 20s-early 30s) from Romania are developing cancer and having miscarriages. Another friend from Poland has described the epidemic of miscarriages among women there.

I cannot imagine what is going to happen in Japan and I'm sickened by the Japanese government's pressure to get kids back in school in contaminated areas. Thank goodness Japanese parents are fighting back.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 21:19 | 1315150 Antarctico
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Good comment and links!

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 21:55 | 1315252 Reese Bobby
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I respect your effort and you might be right.

I would have thought there would be a wealth of laboratory work on the topic using rats... (monkeys in the old days).

The MSM is completely useless.

I wouldn't go to Tokyo for any reason now so despite my curiosity I obviously have a bias.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:52 | 1314773 disabledvet
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"A giant lizzard is sweeping up the east coast."  "Les, the "b" is out on the tele-type." "Quiet, Johnny, I'm trying to do my show!....This lizzard, measuring some 1600 miles long...

We really do need a direct link to Faerwinds here.  Fact is "Arnie's cool."

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:51 | 1314779 Buck Johnson
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This is bad news, bad news ideed.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 18:53 | 1314782 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Ten Thousand Holes in Fuku Dai-ichi:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7964

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 19:19 | 1314842 Hephasteus
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I sure hope this story doesn't leak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTeWGD4Q9T4

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 21:18 | 1315145 Gyro Gearloose
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Very apt analogy even a child could understand but to deep for the nuclear "experts" in charge.

Also makes me wonder what you drink and/or smoke when ya surf youtube;-)

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 19:03 | 1314804 oogs66
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Krugman already salivating over what stimulus required and how big the jump in future GDP would be!

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 19:27 | 1314860 jomama
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sad and horrible

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 19:42 | 1314890 mkkby
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A cyclone of that magnitude in that precise location could only have been produced by HARP and the CIA.  This is a practice drill for destroying Iran's nuclear capability.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 20:55 | 1315093 Mad Cow
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Seriously dude?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 19:43 | 1314898 Monetative Easing
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You know, "normalcy bias" is a bitch. 

While I have been amongst the many following this story closely and have been concerned with each revelation (conveniently doled out in bite-sized, easily digestible and ultimately scaleable bites), I have managed to live my life. 

I am not so worried that the fallout from this disaster will reach me on the West Coast of the U.S., although we have definitely seen some increases in the level of cesium and iodine in the milk/soil/etc. since the accident.  But I am deeply concerned about what will happen to the globe third largest economy as well as the knock on effects for the rest of the world.   Once the fullness of the truth or at least the scale of what is going on in Japan is released, the world won't just have a huge economic pillar knocked out - it will likely have a humanitarian disaster of epic proportions.  How do you evaucuate millions of people?  Where do you put them? 

And then you have to contemplate all of the business effects and counterparty exposures that will result from large swaths of Japan being rendered unihabitable.  Even if the Japanese were to put a brave face on it and stay in highly toxic areas to continue running their offices and plants, who is going to buy their goods?

Will Costco, Walmart and Target now have green-light sales?  Will people eat cesium-yellow-tail rolls and use the new glowing green iPhones because its now the cutting edge thing to do?  Actually, this isn't a disaster.  Its probably the marketing opportunity of a half-lifetime...

 

 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 21:33 | 1315181 Milestones
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--half lifetime. Well put.      Milestones

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 23:05 | 1315421 parangwarrior
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hmm you sound like a smart man,

interested in applying a highly positioned / sought after / prestige job..

you'll have the final say in all decision.. and its very, i mean very rewarding..

plus you sound like someone who like challenges..

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p/s: perk of the job: they let you keep your beard (if you have one), its pretty cool..

 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 21:36 | 1315193 Element
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No matter what occurs now the damage is already done, it can only spread out further now (please forgive the cut and paste)

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Soil contamination from Fukushima crisis comparable to Chernobyl: study

Mainichi Daily News Japan

May 25, 2011

TOKYO (Kyodo) -- Radiation released by the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has caused soil contamination matching the levels seen in the Chernobyl disaster in some areas, a researcher told the government's nuclear policy-setting body Tuesday.

"A massive soil decontamination project will be indispensable before residents in those areas can return," said Tomio Kawata, a research fellow of the Nuclear Waste Management Organization of Japan, at the meeting of the Japan Atomic Energy Commission, which sets policies and strategies for the government's nuclear power development.

According to Kawata, soil in a 600 square kilometer area mostly to the northwest of the Fukushima plant is likely to have absorbed radioactive cesium of over 1.48 million becquerels per square meter, the yardstick for compulsory migration orders in the 1986 Chernobyl catastrophe.

Kawata also said soil in a 700 square km area is likely to have absorbed 555,000-1.48 million becquerels per square meter, which was a criteria for temporary migration during the Chernobyl disaster.

Kawata estimated the soil contamination using data on radiation levels in the air monitored by the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology.

The size of the contaminated areas in the Fukushima crisis is one-tenth to one-fifth of those polluted in the Chernobyl disaster, Kawata said.

While the expected radiation exposure from 1.48 million becquerels of cesium is around five millisieverts a year, below the government's benchmark of 20 millisieverts for evacuation orders, decontamination will still be necessary before evacuees can return as radioactive cesium binds strongly to soil, making it hard to reduce radiation levels, Kawata said.

(Mainichi Japan) May 25, 2011 http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110525p2g00m0dm108000c.html
 
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And this is ignoring that the real problem is the cummulative ingestion.

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 21:51 | 1315240 Madhouse
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I have never seen the level of idiocy demonstrated by the Japanese government.

Response: You the idiot, muthafucka. We send massive amount of radioation your way and that is way we planned it, knowing your media has patience of fly, and your government no give a shit, we ducked, covered and let the real radiation fly. Here is a little payback for August of 1940-fy...

 

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 22:19 | 1315315 Madhouse
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... there are no government tests on anything coming into this country tp speak of  - what we are likely to keep getting is continued doses - along with heavy metals, mercury, etc - from the huge amount of crap we import from China everyday. Their government encourages the "disposal" of toxins in their environment knowing the perfect transport is food exports. If the anuses in the Beltway stop it, the Chinese just sell their Tsys. Healthcare will bury us.

Here it is: a massive environmental disaster that your average idiot thinks, or wants to think, is all over.......lifespans just got shortened 2-3 years and we are bound to have a huge spike in birth defects.

Again, shame on us. Now, which music try out show is your favorite ?

Thu, 05/26/2011 - 23:52 | 1315506 Rhodin
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Hmm... So what happens here, when USA has the inevitable megaquake.  We have many of the same type of reactors, with much more (5-10x)spent fuel stored per reactor.  Some of them are in seismic zones.  And i doubt our maintenance is better than Japan's. 

 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 01:25 | 1315622 The Heart
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Tyler, can you share that link to the ZAMG map?

 

 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 01:41 | 1315633 Ted K
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Ann Coulter likes radiation??? Interesting..... Does she also have a feces fetish??? I have this idea for her and Sarah Palin and a cup.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 02:03 | 1315656 DeltaDawn
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Japan is not selling treasuries to pay for this in exchange for the U.S. Turning a blind eye?

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 03:41 | 1315706 BlackholeDivestment
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...this is horrible ...and to think, the next great quake is coming sooner than before, based on (prophetic and occult revelation) the current trend pattern, as with the extreme weather etc... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtvL9t74v80&feature=related

 

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 08:08 | 1315842 Corduroy
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The storm will be around Tokyo area in 3 days.

Fukishima currently has 40% chance of tropical storm winds over the same time frame. This % chance is likely to increase if the storm holds its current forecast path

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 08:39 | 1315924 John McCloy
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God or whatever exists help these people. I abhore governmental spending but of am of the belief that governments need to save and run a surplus of ever to assist their nation counterparts in a time of tragedy. Granted charity from fellow state citizens should come pouring in and negate the need for wasteful as always government but if there is ever a time to come out of pocket as a government now only should be the example.
Not for wars
Not for TSA beauracracy
Not for 199 week unemployment
But savings "capital" should be for natural disaster scenarios.
Sadly charities are a scam, the siphon all of the wealth to pay salaries and advertise and detract from dollar 1 arrviving at the necessary pocket.
Look up Bonos one foundation which spent 98% of the funds on anything but the cause.

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:15 | 1316094 SoNH80
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TEPCO will spin this as "gravity-feed cooling."

Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:50 | 1316293 Doyle Hargraves
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