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TEPCO Releases Video Of Spent Fuel Rod Pool At Reactor 4

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And while everyone has forgotten about the terabequerels of radiation released on a daily basis out of Fukushima, even as the Japanese Center for Economic Research just revised March GDP massively lower (more shortly), TEPCO, nearly two months after the explosion, has released the following very brief video of the spent fuel rod pool at Reactor 4. The good news: it is submerged in water; the bad news: it is submerged in water, meaning nobody is even one step closer to safely removing the constantly leaking radioactive material.

 

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Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:18 | 1219994 FOC 1183
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don't blink

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:40 | 1220101 Dejean Splicer
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This is 'Reactor 4' modeled over at Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios.

http://www.scei.co.jp/index_e.html

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:20 | 1220270 sunnydays
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Exactly!  Could they get any faster than that?  Why so little what did they not want us to see with the rest of it?  Gotta watch again, I did blink.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:39 | 1220370 Dejean Splicer
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Things that make you go hummmm.

Posted on youtube minutes before Team Tyler posts a story about it? LoLz.

Hendron, VA.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:55 | 1220437 bob_dabolina
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That's why ZH rocks.

The typical lag time for the msm to report is typically 2-3 days. So in 2-3 days you might see something on CNN.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:18 | 1219995 Logman
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No-one cares, they watching the royal wedding and wanking over descriptions of clothing.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:39 | 1220100 Cursive
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@Logman

We need an In-Trade contract on which we end quicker, the Fukushima nuclear fallout or this marriage. Also, another contract on whether William goes completely bald before Fukushima resolution. All circuses must serve bread.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:44 | 1220106 Rick64
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Lol

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:42 | 1220109 vast-dom
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the clothing is fucking ridiculous -- da prince in bozo clown military regalia -- is anyone really watching this charivari of unconscious idiocy?

 

in other breaking news the planet is leaking radioactive sludge and more than half the population is suffering from accelerated mortality rate. Yipeeeee!

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:51 | 1220702 Cui Bono
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WTF? Vast-D get a grip... William was drafted by the Raiders last night... Nothing is fucked Dude. the Clothes sealed the deal.. FOX is going to use him to replace that bullshit football robot guy that dances in the corner of the screen during commercials.

teehee... CB

Carpe Cesium Bythleezzz!

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 12:19 | 1220827 hbjork1
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You colonials just don't appreciate the magnificence of English royalty.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 13:03 | 1221034 patb
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he was a military officer.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:53 | 1220147 AnAnonymous
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People care. But when you have issues, unconstitutional issues like the Kenyan once again producing a fake birth certificate, the priorities are set clearly,  between a nuclear disaster worse in magnitude than Chernobyl and one guy who is deluded enough to see he can persuade people who chose to ignore all kinds of evidences possible, you have to focus on the non natural born citizen at the head of the US country case.

Get your priorities right.

Those two Royals, they were so cute, their marriage ceremony so Christian, it makes you wish every nation has royals.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:03 | 1220187 Terminus C
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You soon will.

As for the evidence bit Obama just learned from his predecessor that you can do or be whatever you want, the public will buy any explanation.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:57 | 1220168 Ckashan
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Lol Wankers!

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:59 | 1220454 Rick64
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 British Taxpayers footing the bill for 20M pounds while adjusting to austerity measures. Fucking hypocrisy at its height. Like Obama's trip to India costing us 100s of millions of dollars, his trip to the Oprah Winfrey show, Superbowl flyover by the air force which lasted 15 min. and was over a closed dome costing 450k.

 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:20 | 1219999 Bendromeda Strain
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Awaiting Gunderson's detailed analysis, but there are some ugly looking objects when frozen at 0:02 in focus.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:20 | 1220000 Drag Racer
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that video shot could be from any pool at any time. not saying it's not from #4 at Fukushima, but no proof is no proof.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:27 | 1220028 gabeh73
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This is true and why err on the side of trusting TEPCO or the government?

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:25 | 1220034 DavidC
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A bit like Barry's long form certificate!

DavidC

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:20 | 1220002 Gubbmint Cheese
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No time stamps?

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:22 | 1220010 zero intelligence
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Arnie Gunderson used to run a company that made spent fuel pools. See his commentary on the condition of the pool at #4 based on aerial photos. The thing is at least half-destroyed. It is not in pristine condition and full of water. This is either just a small corner of the pool or a total fake.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:20 | 1220011 Cognitive Dissonance
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Oh say can you see by the Cherenkov (blue) green light.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:20 | 1220013 firstdivision
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Cuttlefish and asparagus, or vanilla paste?

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:58 | 1220464 TomJoad
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I see what you did there. Burrito derishous!

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:39 | 1220022 Zero Govt
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fantastic progress by Tepco... in 2 months we've had a robot stare at the problem, a fire engine and Heli pissing on the problem and we've now got a polaroid pic of the problem

Zero solutions to the problem yet (trivial matter anyway given there was no Plan A, Plan B or Plan WTF either!) but you just have to stand back and admire the professionalism, safety regulations and organisational skill sets of the Nuclear Industry to come up with a ...photo!!!!

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:43 | 1220105 Hephasteus
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You don't solve plutonium.

Plutonium solves you.

This isn't chernobyl. There's tons of it and they can't even seal it up. It's got a whole in the floor and it's leaking to ocean. It's hot as all get out will be radioactive for 20k years. Their island is sinking. If they could seal it up it would just crack and leak anyway in another 40 years. They'd have to seal it from now till kingdom not come.

They are trying to peer pressure people into staying saying your not real japanese if you leave. Because if they leave no people no government. No body to provide the resources and believable money to fix it.

But don't feel bad about the japanese all or nearly all dying. It'll get most of us too.

 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:33 | 1220145 Zero Govt
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i'm sure you've no need to worry on all counts.... the Japanese Govt, Tepco and Nuclear Industry are rammed with over-achievers ...the apparent lathergy and clueless vacant response is just a 7 week 'time out' while they decide which of their dozens of fantastic back-up plans and highly effective pieces of nuclear safety equipment they will use!

...just think of brilliant guys like GE's Jeff Immelt who sold these radioactive submarine power packs for dry land (amphibious nuclear power stations, fuking genius GE idea eh?). Sure to come up with a plan to sort this dry land gets a splash of water toxic amphibious mess out.

Just as GE makes profits, pays no taxes and is never liable for anything, they're sure to have similar masterful plans to get Govt-Tepco off the hook and out of this toxic responsibility too right?  

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:48 | 1220681 Hephasteus
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No. They will water it and wet it down and try to cool it and stand there with thier dick in their hands until said dick falls off.

They'll freak the fuck out of everybody who will suddenly think it's some kind of brilliant idea to take this nasty shit and bury it someplace safe. Which will set of a massive transport of about 800 tons of the most vicous nasty element on the planet. Some of those transports will fuck up and spill shit all over. The earth lighting up like a christmas tree will freak everybody out as they wonder just what the hell everybody was planning to do with all this crap.

The elite will act more and more insane as they start figuring out that everybody hates thier own country and everybody elses country too and nobody wants to live here any more with a bunch of stupid fucking dicks in charge.

 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:57 | 1220166 Fish Gone Bad
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Arnie Gunderson was talking about the fine uranium dust and the fine plutonium dust that was released from the explosion.  I think I feel a lung tumor growing in me as I type this.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:00 | 1220180 AnAnonymous
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But don't feel bad about the japanese all or nearly all dying. It'll get most of us too.

 

Funny as a sea elephant. Japanese all dying from this event? Quite hyperbolic.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:34 | 1220240 Zero Govt
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yes Anonymous, the Japanese people will be just fine and dandy, afterall look how well the Japanese Govt has protected its people to date right?

...look how well the wheels of Justice and the safety regulators with 2,000 times breached safety regulations have kicked in ...we have dozens of politicians, Tepco Execs and regulators being arrested 'right now' in Japan don't we?

No surprise in a land where the authoritarian Jap Govt micro-manage every part of society right down to regulating taxi drivers on which white gloves to wear on health and safety grounds

Have the politicians and Tepco Execs been arrested yet for sighting the plant on a tsnuami coastline, not building a high enough tsnumai wall, regulators and Tepco staff in the slammer for ignoring back-up safety generators had no fuel, anyone in jail yet from the establishment for breeching all health and safety levels and turning villages and private property into toxic no-go hell holes???

I mean crash your car into a lampost and the Jap Govt will have you in court by Tuesday. 7 weeks in and in effect a nuclear bomb going off in a public-private partnership and there's fuk all arrests to date!!

Get caught pickpocketing in Tokyo and the State police will have you in the slammer in minutes. A public-private partnership turns peoples homes into toxic junk and 7 weeks after all the Japanese politcians and Tepco Execs are stil walking free shrugging their collectivism shoulders with the State Police, Safety Regulators and Judiciary sitting on their hands whistling Dixie 

How many arrests and prosecutions in Japan so far Anonymous?

Yes you can be sure to trust the Jap Govt to take the responsible course of action for its people!!!!

 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:23 | 1220023 Gully Foyle
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Isn't this convenient

http://www.spacenews.com/earth_observation/110422-japanese-sat-shuts-dow...

Japanese Satellite Shuts Down While Surveying Tsunami Damage

apan’s Advanced Land Observing Satellite (ALOS) is feared lost after abruptly powering down April 22 as it was carrying out a mapping mission of the nation’s earthquake- and tsunami-ravished coast line. Engineers at the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) were struggling to find what caused the 5-year-old satellite to suddenly lose power shortly after dawn.

The satellite, known as Daichi, shifted from normal operations into a low-load mode around 7:30 a.m. local time and turned off all of its on-board observation devices, according to JAXA. The satellite’s power generation continued to deteriorate rapidly following the anomaly, which was detected through data relayed by Japan’s Kodama Data Relay Test Satellite. Hours after the incident, the satellite showed no signs that it was generating power.

“Daichi lost power this morning and there has been no change since then. We are still investigating the cause,” JAXA spokesman Eijiro Namura said April 22. “With the loss of power, after this [much] time, we don’t see much chance of a recovery.”

The satellite, built by NEC-Toshiba Space Systems to last at least three years, was launched aboard a Japanese H-2A rocket in January 2006.

At the time the power failure occurred, Daichi was mapping the eastern coast of Japan’s Tohoku region, which suffered severe and widespread damage after being hit by an enormous tsunami following the 9.0 magnitude earthquake that struck offshore March 11, leaving more than 27,000 people dead or missing.

Daichi carries three sensors: a stereoscopic mapping sensor that measures precise land elevation; a radiometer; and a phased-array radar used for mapping, precise regional land coverage observation, resource surveying and disaster monitoring.

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1104/22alos/

 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:45 | 1220123 Dreadker
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Clearly the aliens shut it down.... This is perfectly explainable... And if you keep asking questions we'll distract you with another royal wedding!

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:11 | 1220222 Terminus C
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No no, it goes royal wedding, royal pregnancy, royal 'trouble', royal divorce.

Plenty of circus left in this one for sure.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:24 | 1220584 Cognitive Dissonance
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And always a royal pain in the ass.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:17 | 1222551 TerraHertz
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You forgot the royal pregnancy by foreigner, and royal assasination attempt by 'auto accident', and the royal seriously injured driving around in an ambulance for hours until actually dead.

I hope what's her name is aware she's marrying into a family of murderers.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:27 | 1220032 Drag Racer
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more vids from the same uploader on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/user/japannewstoday#p/u

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:29 | 1220043 Urban Roman
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The assemblies in that pool look suspiciously orderly for a building that had the top two stories blown off.

What about the other video, from the helicopter, that showed a green loading crane collapsed on top, and fuel assemblies strewn all over the building and surrounding buildings? How does this square with that, time-and-place-wise?

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:28 | 1220049 Note to self
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Meanwhile, the good old boys at the NRC are actually questioning today how long of a power failure our stations could handle.

http://www.wbay.com/story/14533951/nrc-chief-questions-blackout-plans-for-us-plants

Hows'bout a case study?  Cat 5 Hurricane hits MA Pilgrim or NH Seabrook.  No power, and swamped diesel generators and batteries.  How do we stack up boys?  WHat should the evacuation zone be?  Boston?

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:33 | 1220075 trav7777
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we've had since Fu1 two now where the shore power has been cut off by tornados and they've had to go to diesel.

I wonder if the NRC didn't force inspections and actual tests.  The difference between Fu1 and here is that our backup generators were able to work, otherwise we'd have been facing similar situations.  However, we are supposed to have adequate H2 venting capability.

No CAT5 is going that far north

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:42 | 1220104 Cognitive Dissonance
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Yup, just like no 14 meter tsunami was going to hit Fukushima 1.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:46 | 1220114 Hephasteus
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Just like you can't have 76 tornado's in the south of america in a couple days.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:05 | 1220188 hedgeless_horseman
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Just like nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:04 | 1220499 bob_dabolina
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Just like no white woman would be raped by 300 Libyans.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 12:23 | 1220836 FreeNewEnergy
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The Bernank says Fukushima is well contained.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 12:22 | 1220838 FreeNewEnergy
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...oh, and transitory.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:49 | 1220129 sangell
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How did Entergy's New Orleans nuclear power plant weather Katrina? Maybe it is our NPP that should be most concerned now with hurricanes. The Gulf might not be vulnerable to tsunami but 20 plus foot hurricane storm surges and or failing levee's could accomplish the same thing as happened at Fukushima.

We've gotten notice so I hope the plant operators are bullet proofing their on site generators.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:10 | 1220472 flattrader
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Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:11 | 1220478 flattrader
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Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:28 | 1220490 flattrader
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You are a moron who doesn't do his homework.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_England_hurricanes

Plenty of historical evidence of Cat 4 and 5 as far north as RI and severe (unmeasured) storms/hurricanes as far north as New Hampshire.

I hope you are not in charge of anything important...or anything at all for that matter.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:14 | 1220514 flattrader
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Fri, 04/29/2011 - 13:08 | 1221061 patb
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wait until the day a F2 tornado or F3 tornado clips a nuke station.

 

Kills Grid power, rips up the secondary gear including the cooling towers and service water system, knocks out comms

and gets the Diesel generator fuel supply, plus busts secondary containment and the control room.

 

So the surviving plant crew need to reorganize, turn on the RCIC and batteries, get in a working vehicle and drive

down and find diesel in 60 minutes before the rac starts boiling.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:32 | 1220064 miker
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Video indicates major damage to fuel racks.  These are grid-like assemblies that support the fuel and keep it separated to prevent recriticality.

As most thought, looks like fuel assemblies melted and took some of the rack material as well.

Not surprising as major hydrogen explosion from #4 could only have been caused by melt of fuel.  Remember #4 had fully off-loaded all its' fuel from reactor vessel prior to event so it had extra high heat load.  Water boiled off faster and fuel damage occurred.  Not clear whether spent fuel pool (pond) has cracks or leaks from earthquake.  If so, makes cooling more difficult. 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:08 | 1220518 Confuchius
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@miker

A UK Nuclear physicist on a video Wednesday said emphatically that the #4 explosion was not H2. It was a fission type explosion.

The "spent" fuel pool has been totally destroyed by the earthquake. The video showed the fuel rods split & broken scattered everywhere.

They are all MOX or a mix of Uranium & Plutonium. Uranium and Plutonium have not only been found everywhere in the reactor's vicinity, but as far away as Guam, Midway and Hawaii!

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:32 | 1220069 Cursive
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World's first hydro-sarcoghogus. Just a wee bit unstable.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:36 | 1220079 trav7777
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bbbut...Arnie Gunderson said that pool 4 was a molten fission pit

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:45 | 1220111 Cognitive Dissonance
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So it's OK for you to talk out of your ass, but not when anyone else does it.

http://fairewinds.com/content/gundersen-postulates-unit-3-explosion-may-have-been-prompt-criticality-fuel-pool

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:52 | 1220153 Bendromeda Strain
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Yup - the FP of #4 doesn't really hold a candle to the obliterated MOX pool of #3 right now.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:04 | 1220192 ApukalyptusNow
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hmmm, who to trust... Arnie Gunderson, or some unidentified wanker who comments on someone else's site with an avatar that's flipping me the bird?

tough call on that one.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:14 | 1220537 Confuchius
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Trav:

See the comment above confirming the molten fission "problem" in the debris of the reactor 4 "cooling pool" wreckage.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:27 | 1220590 bob_dabolina
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trav, I like your comments a lot but the ones on Fukushima stink to high heaven. They're just poo poo.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:34 | 1220619 That Peak Oil Guy
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If Trav is going through similar feelings as myself then he is really upset that nuclear power is such a big problem.  Until Fukushima caused me to research nuclear power more I thought it was one of the few ways we could smooth the slope down the other side of peak oil and cushion our landing.

Now I feel even more hopeless about it, because I think that there is no way we can keep our nuclear power plants operating safely in a fast collapse scenario, and the consequences to our species is very grim.  Trav may still be in denial about this.

TPOG

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:50 | 1220677 bob_dabolina
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Nuclear power and peak oil can't even be compared. #1 No cars run on nuclear power, #2 No power plants run on oil.

I've read that we have something like 500-600 years worth of NatGas domestically here in America. For some sick liberal minded based reason we are not allowed to do anything in America (we can't drill, we can't build refiners, we can't smoke, we can't build) so we are reliant on foreign oil. It is for this reason that the technology for NatGas powered cars has not been created.

Do you know how many jobs would be created if we switched to NatGas? The building of engines, the drilling of it, the shipping it, etc etc....It's cleaner too.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 12:20 | 1220806 That Peak Oil Guy
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I really wasn't comparing them, Bob.  Electric power can still provide some smoothing of the fall off of peak oil.  Cars can run on electricty.  (Though the EROI implications of doing so may not be so good.)  Absolutely nothing can replace oil due to its combination of energy density and portability due to its relatively safe liquid form.

I disagree about natural gas.  We have probably a 20 - 30 year supply at the most optimistic.  If we build the infrastructure to ramp up gas then by the time we are done most of the gas will be gone.  Frakking of shale to get gas requires huge amounts of water that are contaminated with toxins when/if recovered.  As with most forms of energy generation we are not taking the full costs of the waste pollution into account in our ROI analysis.

We can use gas to generate electricity and use electric cars.  But in my opinion if we want to deal with this energy crisis in a way that leaves our children a future then we need to start thinking about rationing oil to the places that need it most and saving gas for heating needs.  The market will most likely evolve in this direction, provided we don't have such a fast collapse that a gradual transition is impossible.

TPOG

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 13:10 | 1221052 bob_dabolina
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I think we can solve the problem by passing a law making it illegal to import oil. This would force us to drill domestically, and develop technology to incorporate NatGas and even hydrogen based forms of powering cars. 

I just took 3-4% off of the unemployment rate.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 13:41 | 1221201 That Peak Oil Guy
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It is a noble thought, but I think if we do that then places like China and Russia will gobble up all the oil we were importing and would be able to dominate us globally, which I don't think we want.  The end of industrial civilization is racing toward us like a tsunami and I think we want to be the last ones standing so we have at least a chance at determining our own destiny when it hits.

TPOG

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:26 | 1220596 That Peak Oil Guy
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I think people get building 4 confused with building 3.

They can't show a picture of SFP 3 because it is obliterated and the spent fuel was blown across the surrounding countryside.

IIRC, Arnie said that there seemed to be sporadic criticality events taking place in SFP 4, caused by the fact that the SFP has a leak and the water levels were fluctuating even though they have been dumping water on it.

TPOG

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:34 | 1220080 sangell
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Tepco's announcement that no, the pool does not appear to be leaking is, to this layman, a bit like your mechanic telling you that the good news is your car doesn't have an oil leak, the problem is your motor is burning oil!

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:21 | 1220093 Jovil
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Check updated 4/2/2011 radiation releases and movement across the world. The only safe place is in the southern hemisphere.

http://lonerangersilver.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/japan-nuclear-update-ap...

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:42 | 1220103 g speed
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I thought #4 still had a roof on it?? or did it explode like #2 and now has no roof so we can see the (pool) inside of the building??

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 15:59 | 1221929 avonaltendorf
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Exactly backwards. #2 has a roof, #4 roof blown off.

However, #2 is a vastly bigger problem than #4. 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:51 | 1220141 Ruffcut
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That's a short video. Did the robot have to take a break to puke?

Betcha that robot has lost some value.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:56 | 1220162 Youri Carma
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Big distraction cause were is the Spent Fuel Rod Pool At Reactor 3????? That's what I want to see.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 13:59 | 1221330 divide_by_zero
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Checkout Arnie Gundersons latest update says probably prompt criticality in #3 caused that massive explosion pieces of fuel rods found up to 2 miles away

http://www.fairewinds.com/home

 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:00 | 1220175 AnAnonymous
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Definitively still on.

Report proportional to the magnitude of the event.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 09:57 | 1220176 Jim in MN
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They appear to have stuck a camera on a hydraulic arm in through a gap in the rubble.  There is a lot of damage in there.  They have said that the only way to keep the water in is to pump it in by the hundreds of tons per day.  If they slow down the pool empties and heats up to 80-90 degrees C (boils at 100, not good).

So it's basically the same as the reactor cores: hole in the bucket.  But the cores are holed halfway up the containment vessels, so the fuel rods stick up out of the water.  Here if they top it up and the condition doesn't deteriorate further, they can keep the rods submerged.  But where is the leaking water going to?  They don't know.  Will a leak get bigger?  They always do.  So time is not on their side here; a cracked concrete pool full of water suspended four stories high is not a stable thing, even without aftershocks and cyclones. 

And if the water gets to 90 where they measure it, there could (but doesn't have to) be a heat source that can boil the water that's right up against it.  It depends on the dispersion of heat among the rods.  So bubbles of radioactive gas could still emerge from this pool. 

As usual we don't know a whole lot that would be good to know.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:08 | 1220202 Cognitive Dissonance
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As usual we don't know a whole lot that would be good to know.

Mission accomplished. Just sit back and trust that the masters of the universe have your best interest in mind when they filter information and spin happy thought memes.

I can't wait until TEPCO releases pictures of spring flowers blooming near the plant (maybe even springing up among some of unit three's radioactive debris) and declares that since the flowers look OK why are we cowardly humans so worried about a little radiation.

Man up and return home boys and girls. The crisis is over when the daffodils (or the Japanese equivalent) bloom.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:13 | 1220221 hedgeless_horseman
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There is a lot of damage in there.  They have said that the only way to keep the water in is to pump it in by the hundreds of tons per day.  If they slow down the pool empties and heats up to 80-90 degrees C (boils at 100, not good).

This will make a good format for a QE3 request.

There is a lot of damage in there.  They have said that the only way to keep the money flowing is to pump it in by the hundreds of millions per day.  If they slow down the growth stops and unemployment heats up to 10-20 percent (revolution at 30, not good).

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:16 | 1220259 Cognitive Dissonance
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+QE3, 4 and 5.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:58 | 1220463 TSA gropee
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Clever HH, my first good chuckle of the day.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:29 | 1220603 Confuchius
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Remember, the "spent" and fissioning fuel rods which are not under water are in "meltdown".

The rods in #4 are all Uranium + Plutonium.

They are not going to "cool down" in this century. They are undergoing fission. Now. Plutonium half-life = quarter million years.

Nothing can be "encased" as that will only lead to butning thru the "encasement" and a very large radioactive steam explosion when the mess reaches the water table.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:52 | 1222663 Bendromeda Strain
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The rods in #4 are all Uranium + Plutonium.

Please - Confuchius has confushion. Inaccuracies get repeated unnecessarily. The MOX fuel was in Reactor #3, and that is why the explosion there was/is so nasty.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:51 | 1223298 Jim in MN
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They all end up with some, but most have maybe 1-2% plutonium (it's a fission product that then is further split by an active reaction, but just sits if the critical reaction stops) while MOX starts out with a bit more.  Maybe 6%. 

The MOX is, as you say in (and around) unit 3.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:06 | 1220190 Jim in MN
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And remember, you're not supposed to inform the public of any of this:

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/88604.html

The chief of the Meteorological Society of Japan has drawn flak from within the academic society over a request for member specialists to refrain from releasing forecasts on the spread of radioactive substances from the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/88617.html

An adviser to Prime Minister Naoto Kan on the nuclear crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant told the prime minister's office Friday he will resign in protest over what he called the government's impromptu handling of the crisis.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 14:07 | 1221374 davepowers
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I've really missed reading your reports/comments on this Jim in MN, given the absence of Fuk. from Zerohedge.

Do you post any place else? Or do we just have to catch the periodic (no pun intended) ZH updates on the mess?

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 15:13 | 1221716 Jim in MN
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Thanks, I appreciate your perspective as well.  No, I have generally steered clear of posting on some things, but made an exception for this disaster and this site.  It all synergized in a certain way.

Tyler will keep the info core steaming here for us.  We have a major economic power with a gutshot wound.  It's going to take time.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:31 | 1222607 The Heart
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This Heart also thanks you Mr. Jim from MN.

Your words actually offer hope in this nutty out of control Mad, Mad, Mad World and they are very well appreciated. Your light is bright!

Much honor and gratitude to all and every heart here who positively contributes to the vast amount of Light that gathers in the face of this real deal not so good issue that yes, affects every above ground human dweller.

Life moves forward as the Sun flares and winds blow this wonderful stuff all over the planet. The backbone of America endeavors one day at a time to make it through another day. The garden goes on under mini-greenhouses and hopefully the food will be OK...no rain please.

 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:08 | 1220200 john milton
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Radiation adviser to Kan to quit over gov't nuke crisis response TOKYO, April 29, Kyodo An adviser to Prime Minister Naoto Kan on the nuclear crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant told the prime minister's office Friday he will resign in protest over what he called the government's impromptu handling of the crisis.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:14 | 1220238 Note to self
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"Impromptu" . . . sounds like something got lost in translation.  This is interesting news.  I find it incredible that the leaking radiation has fallen off the headlines.  People really have their heads in the sand.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:48 | 1220669 Zero Govt
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people have their heads in the sand?  ...don't you mean the usual bent Western mass media are doing their usual 'hush hush' of not the disaster but what a disaster the Govt and nuclear industry is

...you can't have bad PR for the totally incompetent establishment, it just won't do! 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:39 | 1220616 Use of Weapons
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First time post, so hello - We lurk though, appreciating the coverage of the benthic layer here.

http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/EXPORT/projects/fukushima/povray/bluepr...

This was the clearest picture I could find of Reactor #4 - and looking at the other videos on the YouTube account, it doesn't quite mesh with what we're seeing. In particular; http://www.youtube.com/user/japannewstoday#p/u/18/EdcmQUEZ0zI . The 'green box' we're looking down on, appears to fall down to ground level on one side, and I can't marry the debris strewn edges with the clear-cut 'green box'.

But, hey. I'm no nuclear physicist! Luckily, these chaps kinda are:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=480200&page=336

They also make a valid point about GE's ownership of a lot of media sources - gotta protect the bottom share line, don't we?*

 

 

*GE is such a dinosaur, no-one memo'd them that these days you can post that your CEO has been insider trading, your profits went down the tube, your transport costs will exponentially rise with gas increases and your stock will still rise. Dinosaurs, get with the programme Immelt. Yes. Jeffery Immelt. Gotta give them +100 irony points for that little "fu, peons".

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:54 | 1221263 HedgeCock
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physics forum link changed to:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=3274426#post3274426

"Poster sends regards to "Use of Weapons" on ZH."

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:34 | 1220623 TSA gropee
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The discovery channel did a nice two part documentary of the quake/tsunami and the disaster at Fukushima that played last night. I was moved as the character of the Japanese people under extreme duress came into view, Although having lost family, friends and any semblance of their previous life thought it of no consequence to share a small meal with a small group of westerners who witnessed the devastation of their homes. It was as if the Japanese saw them as fellow survivors, nothing more, nothing  less, and no hyphenations whatsoever.

As for the nuclear disaster, there was no shortage of Japanese willing to sacrifice their very lives to help with the work at Fukushima. Selflessness, self sacrifice, and compassion, concepts that seem so foreign to so many here in the west...

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:56 | 1220720 tahoebumsmith
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 I see the Japanese government has learned some tricks from our very own leaders. It's called the 5 second hoodwink, I mean hoodblink....Show them a 5 second blink of nothing and the conspiracy will be dismantled. Now go back to the Royal Wedding, we paid 20 mil pounds to distract you sheep. This evidence reminds me of a clip I saw a few years back....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3iQuoyGIPo

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 12:08 | 1220760 btdt
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meanwhile, over in reactors 5 and 6... supposedly all bundled up for a long quiet sleep...

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/04/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-why-are.html

"....

The radiation levels are actually higher than the more troubled Reactors 2 and 3. The Reactor 1's dry well radiation measurement stopped after the radiation registered 100 sieverts/hr on April 8.

As of April 29, Reactor 5's dry well radiation level is 40.3 sieverts/hr, and Reactor 6's dry well radiation level is 33.5 sieverts/hr.

In comparison, Reactor 2's dry well radiation level is 22.1 sieverts/hr, Reactor 3's 14.1 sieverts/hr.

....."

 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 14:45 | 1221256 divide_by_zero
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Check out #4 been over 6000 Sv/hr last couple of days, they provide no link to it on the page you have to change it in the url line. Read recently but can't find a link that the #5 and 6 readings are actually due to teh masiively contaminated groundwater reaching there already.

http://atmc.jp/plant/rad/?n=4

 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 16:03 | 1221946 avonaltendorf
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6000 Sv/hr is impossible.

Maybe 6000 mSv/hr or 6000 μSv/hr.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 16:21 | 1221979 divide_by_zero
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Agree that it's unlikely probably mSv/hr but at Chernobyl they had readings as high as 15,000 rem/hr(per documentary) so maybe not impossible. #4 has all of its spent fuel plus fresh fuel in the SFP.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:55 | 1222505 Lapri
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One of the readers at my blog seems to have found the answer. The site, atmc.jp, seems to have been linking the spent fuel pool temperature data as the dry well radiation data. I've informed the site.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 09:40 | 1223694 HedgeCock
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On that chart it seems like the sensors are off-line for reactor #4.  That's why you get that reading.  

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:16 | 1222739 TerraHertz
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I suspect there is a reporting error happening there. It's the same as with a previous report for (I think) unit 4 drywell/suppression pool readings, which were a 4-digit number. All use that same form layout, in which the top line has a couple of places where someone is supposed to write in the units multiplier - u/m/- for micro/milli or just plain Sieverts. See the underscore?

But someone is instead writing the latest numeric reading in that space. So we don't know if the numbers reported are units, milli or microSieverts.

For the earlier report, it HAD to be a reporting error; there's no way the true value was a 4-digit number of Sieverts. MilliSieverts more likely.

 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 13:07 | 1221038 bob_dabolina
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Fri, 04/29/2011 - 14:51 | 1221610 Diamond Jim
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"got thorium" ????, bitchez............

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 16:31 | 1222019 GoldbugVariation
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There appears to be no debris in the pool video.  My understanding was that the pool now contains plenty of debris from the destroyed roof, walls etc.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 16:59 | 1222079 Jim in MN
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Ohhhhhh K.....I just thought to watch the second video in the sequence.  It shows them lowering the camera into the water on a cable.  Couple of things:

1.  Lots and lots of steam all around.  That is seriously like a big hot tub.  So air emissions continue from that pool at least. 

2.  The crane assembly is in the way, but also appears to have kept a lot of the debris out of the pool itself.  That's the big green thing.

3.  I have to say it looks like the camera is in there longer than the clip released in video numero uno.  Is that a conspiratorial thing to say?

4.  It's mind-boggling contemplating how they're going to ever get that out of there.  It's going to be a very hellish project.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:45 | 1222807 TerraHertz
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Jim, which '2nd video' do you mean? This? http://youtu.be/EdcmQUEZ0zI

But that is of them lowering a water sampling container into the #4 SFP.

I can't find any other video actually looking into the SFP other than the very short clip of this thread.

You are far too reluctant to assume deception, given the performance of TEPCO etc so far.

Personally I flatly do not believe the tiny 'in the pool' video is actually of the #4 SFP as it is now. Why? Because there ought to be large amounts of rubble lying on top of the fuel assemblies, and there isn't. No, the crane doesn't 'cover the pool' - the size of the crane is small compared to the area of the pool. There should be similar amounts of debris in there, as is on the floor all around.

Also, the illumination is wrong. It's far too uniform for lighting that apparently consists of a couple of spotlights near the camera. Is it daylight? Then why the spotlights? Night? Then there's too  much diffuse light. The lighting doesn't shift with the movement of the camera. Also, the camera isn't 'swinging', it's as if mounted right on a rigid arm of some kind. How did they arrange that? You see the layout in the video of lowering the sample bottle into the pool. Even if on the end of an arm attached to the Putzmeister pump truck boom, it should be rocking slightly, like all the videos shot from the end of that. Unless the Putzmeister boom is resting on something near its end. But the way the camera 'lowers into the water' suggests either it's on the end of a cable, or the boom end is free-moving. Neither fits. Plus, why so short? If the camera mount is steerable, why not pan around some more? Worried about killing the camera? Yeah, right. Who gives a shit about the camera, get the pics till it dies then replace it.

I think it's a lie of some kind.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:57 | 1223306 Jim in MN
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You're right, it takes so much time to go over everything.  The other video is from a week or so earlier.  Still, freeze it at 0:30 to see the amount of rubble and damage around the pool, ugly shot. 

The lighting is the famous 'blue glow' of Cherenkov radiation.  It is nice and uniform in there.  Like a rave club.  Here is a nice pic of a pool full of it:

http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Images/Cherenkov.jpg

It is a very weird shot in the pool...really very eerie, like a horror movie, 'Alien in the Bathtub' or something.  It could easily be of a particularly intact section.  I do think it's the pool, though.  The crane sits right on it and blocked a lot of crap, keeping it from falling in.

I totally understand not believing it, though. 

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 03:41 | 1223444 TerraHertz
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It's the amount of rubble lying around in other videos that makes me think there isn't enough in this 'SFP swim shot'. A very few pieces like tiles lying on top of the rod racks, and a few specks floating in the water. No mangled girders, pipes, bits of concrete...

Cherenkov glow - yes, I am familiar with it (not in person!) But that's another odd thing I noticed but forgot to mention about this video - there isn't any Cherenkov glow. None. Look at the visible sides of rod arrays - nothing. Just that diffuse, from above, greenish light. Maybe all the rods we can see are all really really old ones? But SFP #4 is supposed to have some almost new rods, from the reactor. Obviously not in this shot.

First time I've ever disbelieved something for the reason of 'not enough crap'.

Hmm... Could this be a shot of the Fukashima central SFP, the one down by the waterfront? That building was breached by the tsunami, but had only minor structural damage. Hence (maybe) just a few bits of small crap in the pool, and no visible Cherenkov glow, since all the rods in there are fairly old.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 05:56 | 1223515 Felix-be
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Copy-paste from my comment on http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Nuclear-Power-plant-Onagawa-on-fire-Fukushima-malfunctions?pid=1044921#pid1044921 : alehopio Wrote:

<< delaying the end of the nuclear crisis is to expose more and more people to nuclear contamination>>

Japan prime minister's nuclear adviser resigns

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/234...er-resigns

In a tearful press conference, he said the government and its commissions had taken "flexible approaches" to existing laws and regulations, and ignored his advice after he was named an advisor on March 16.

"I cannot help but to think (the prime minister's office and other agencies) are only taking stopgap measures... and delaying the end" of the nuclear crisis, he told reporters.

Tokyo officials had drafted measures to deal with the accident that were not in strict accordance with the law, and the decision-making process had been unclear, he said.

Adviser instead of advisor, not mentioning the guy's name. Hmm.

WSJ (and some others) have copied this "typo" in their titles.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...nteractive (with 4 Comments)
"...Mr. Kosako was appointed on March 16. In announcing the appointment, chief government spokesman Yukio Edano described him as someone who "possesses outstanding insight and expertise in the field of radiation safety."
Mr. Kosako was one of six special advisers to the administration of Prime Minister Naoto Kan. According to Mr. Edano's announcement, Mr. Kosako was to provide "information and advice to the prime minister on the ongoing incidents as the nuclear power stations."
But he said that in the weeks since his appointment, it was difficult to know who was actually in charge of dealing with the situation.
Diet member Akihisa Nagashima, a senior politician within the ruling Democratic Party said in a statement that the administration had urged Mr. Kosako to stay on and that his departure represented a "heavy blow" to the government. A spokesman for the prime minister's office had no immediate comment...."

One of the main sources must be http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/2011...5000c.html
"...In particular, Kosako protested against the government's decision to revise the maximum permissible level of radiation exposure among children up to 20 millisieverts per year, saying, "Should I approve that decision, I would no longer be a researcher. I would not want my children to be exposed to that amount of radiation."
Kosako revealed the Cabinet did not accept his advice that outdoor school activities for elementary and junior high school students near the crippled power station be restricted to prevent them from being exposed to over 1 millisievert of radiation per year.
"It is quite rare for nuclear power plant workers dealing with radioactive materials to be exposed to 20 millisieverts of radiation per year. I cannot allow infants and children to be exposed to such high levels of radiation from an academic as well as humanitarian point of view."
He also pointed out that the government was slow in applying the System for Prediction of Environmental Emergency Dose Information (SPEEDI) and disclosing its data, even though nuclear safety guidelines stipulate the system be implemented immediately in an emergency. "The government has ignored the law and taken stopgap measures, failing to bring the crisis under control promptly," he said..."

There is also this article http://enenews.com/nuclear-adviser-to-ja...-the-laws.
In Europe this has hardly been on the news.
The English Wikipedia doesn't even seem to know the dear professor's name. Strange...
I have also checked the Dutch, German, French, Spanish, Italian and Portugese Wikipedia.
His name comes up only in the German version. Briefly...

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 23:19 | 1224889 intric8
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The only objective source for readings that i can find in the Philippines - geiger counter updates can be found at this site - http://www.falloutphilippines.blogspot.com/

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!