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TEPCO Admits To Another Cover Up As Radioactivity In Seawater Near Fukushima Soars To 1,251 Above Legal Limit
The latest news out of Fukushima confirms fears that irradiated water containment at the radioactive plant has been complete breached, after Radioactive iodine-131 at a concentration 1,250.8 times the legal limit was detected Friday morning in a seawater sample taken around 330 meters south of the plant, near the drainage outlets of the four troubled reactors, the government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said Saturday. As Kyodo updates: "The level rose to its highest so far in the survey begun this week,
after remaining around levels about 100 times the legal limit. It is
highly likely that radioactive water in the plant has found its way into
the sea, TEPCO said." It's all good though: the government has a prepared strawman for this unprecedented surge in radioactivity as well."Radioactive materials ''will be significantly diluted'' by the time they are consumed by marine species, the agency said, adding it would not have a significant impact on fishery products as fishing is not being conducted in the area within 20 kilometers of the plant because the government has issued a directive for residents in the zone to evacuate." But none of this matter as we get the latest confirmation that no news coming out of the stricken plant can be trusted: "TEPCO's Fukushima office acknowledged Saturday that it had known earlier that the radiation in the underground level of the turbine building of one of the reactors was extremely high, but had not made the information available to pertinent parties."
From Reuters: " Officials said iodine 131 levels in seawater 30 km (19 miles) from the coastal nuclear complex were within acceptable limits established by regulations and the contamination posed little risk to aquatic life. "Ocean currents will disperse radiation particles and so it will be very diluted by the time it gets consumed by fish and seaweed," said Hidehiko Nishiyama, a senior official from Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency. Despite that reassurance, the disclosure may well heighten international concern over Japanese seafood exports. Several countries have already banned milk and produce from areas around the Fukushima Daiichi plant, while others have been monitoring Japanese seafood." So fear not - instead of having 10 fins, that yummy piece of toro you are injesting will sport only a substantially "diluted" 5. Also, expect to see Kan eating seaweed and sashimi, and washing it down with radioactive tap water on TV any minute to prove just how safe everything really is.
More from Kyodo:
The level rose to its highest so far in the survey begun this week, after remaining around levels about 100 times the legal limit. It is highly likely that radioactive water in the plant has found its way into the sea, TEPCO said.
Radioactive materials ''will be significantly diluted'' by the time they are consumed by marine species, the agency said, adding it would not have a significant impact on fishery products as fishing is not being conducted in the area within 20 kilometers of the plant because the government has issued a directive for residents in the zone to evacuate.
TEPCO is planning to inject fresh water into pools storing the spent nuclear fuel at the plant to prevent crystallized salt from seawater already injected from hampering the smooth circulation of water and thus diminishing the cooling effect. It has begun injecting fresh water into the reactor containers of the No. 1 and No. 3 as well as No. 2 reactors.
At the same time, the company is trying to remove the pools of water containing highly concentrated radioactive substances that may have seeped from either the reactor cores or the spent fuel pools.
On Thursday, three workers were exposed to water containing radioactive materials 10,000 times the normal level at the turbine building connected to the No. 3 reactor building.
On Friday, a pool of water with a similarly high concentration of radioactive materials was found in the No. 1 reactor's turbine building, causing some restoration work to be suspended.
Similar pools of water were also found in the turbine buildings of the No. 2 and No. 4 reactors, measuring up to 1 meter and 80 centimeters deep, respectively. Those near the No. 1 and No. 3 reactors were up to 40 cm and 1.5 meters deep, respectively.
And the most dramatic example of strategic idiocy: all the hoopla about dumping tons of water on the reactors will now have to be undone:
While analyzing the radioactivity levels of the pools from the water found in the No. 2 and No. 4 reactors, TEPCO will remove the water in all four reactor units to reduce the risk of more workers being exposed to radioactive substances, it said.
The risk would hinder efforts to restore the plant's crippled cooling functions, which are crucial to overcoming the crisis, the government's nuclear safety agency said.
But the most infuriating development is the latest disclosure from TEPCO that once again it covered up critical data.
TEPCO's Fukushima office acknowledged Saturday that it had known earlier that the radiation in the underground level of the turbine building of one of the reactors was extremely high, but had not made the information available to pertinent parties.
Edano criticized the utility's handling of the data, saying unless it reports necessary information to authorities in a timely manner, ''the government will not be able to give appropriate instructions and (TEPCO) will make workers, and eventually the public, distrustful'' of the firm.
So aside from the constant lies and misinformation, the public can be assued that all is well.
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All props to williambonzai7. While many of us were speculating on what the weeping meant, the weeping was a diversion. Bill's bullshit detector went off and he was right. They are a bunch of weasels (bet there is a Japaneese creature that works better, but you get what I mean).
Ya know, if I polluted the world like for decades or maybe a century, and the harm could not be undone, I would give up everything to try and make it right. I would not care if the comapany survived. I may not care if I did. Don't know about you Bill, but imagining being under the weight of something like that, it transcends guilt, apologies, and weeping, and punches one into another realm of consciousness. I actually think it would be forced spiritual growth. I just don't get this.
But let the record show you called that crap perfectly, in your pictures that are frequently worth many more than a thousand words.
Good work.
They traditionally are very "green" in their values. But they were traumatized by all the destruction and then saved by MacArthur. They were genunely torn by the environmental issues. But the establishment really smashed all the square nails into submission.
The power elite there are ruthless.
But the social contract was broken in the lost decade. That means the Japanese "street" is a wild card. This guy Kan, who is not rising to the occasion, is with the party that dislocated the LDP which ruled for 50 years.
What is very different about Japan is that the bureaucracy has a life of it's own. The politicians come and go, but the ministries (which happen to sit on an island of bedrock) always remain.
So you have three forces, business, political parties and bureaucrats, all of whom do some form of business with the gangsters.
and, of all those groups ~> Japan's mafia among the first to organise and deliver aid (http://www.asianewsnet.net/home/news.php?id=18012)
And I think the government is in a similar death struggle for the country as a whole.
Crying isn't going to get it. Seppuku maybe.
Even better if the tepco execs would don plastic jumpsuits and get out there with trash bags. They can pick up the hot nuggets scattered all over by the explosions.
http://www.whirledbank.org/ourwords/summers.html
A bit off topic but an interesting look at the mindset of TPTB. "I've always though that under-populated countries in Africa are vastly UNDER-polluted" -Larry Summers
wtf
Sure, because the well-behaved and organized Japanese fishes won't swim to outside of this range.
I was watching a Japanese fisherman on TV yesterday, and that sure as shit is not how he interprets food chains.
It's time to contact the UN to set up a no-swim zone for the fish in the area. Shouldn't take more than 30-45 days.
Surely the bombing could begin immediately though.
+DU
Max Keiser's guest lady compares Tokyo and Kiev (Ukraine's capital 150km south of Chernobyl). Kiev was saved because Chernobyl was a fast developing situation. Wind did not bring the main cloud to Kiev. Tokyo will not be saved because the leak will not be contained for a very long time - the wind will have chance to bring contamination 360o around.
Max Keiser? pfffttt. He spends every week criticizing USA agression, but when France unloads tons of bombs on Libya, Mister Keiser is totally silent. Hypocrite. He also promotes the Ken Lay/Enron cap & trade scheme based on the fraudulent global warming nonsense. Then there's the whistleblower Andrew Maguire. Max had dinner with him but no one else has ever seen him. And lately we have this Anon hacker group that is using DeGraws website, and he was a guest on Keiser's show last week when that letter promoting Timothy Leary, "fair taxes", and a free bong hit, was announced.
So, how do you give recorded testimony at the LBMA on futures trading at the same time as Adrian Douglas of GATA if you don't exist? Just curious.
i'm not aware of any recorded testimony from andrew maguire. bill murphy has testified about things andrew maguire told him.
Marx Keiser aka Vladimir On-Lenin
New York, March 25 (Jiji Press)--Honda Motor Co. <7267> may suspend vehicle production in North America due to supply shortages of parts from Japan after the March 11 earthquake, company officials said Friday.
The major Japanese automaker told all workers at its assembly plants in the region the same day that chances cannot be ruled out that production there will be suspended, the officials said.
(2011/03/26-13:47)
http://jen.jiji.com/jc/eng?g=ind&k=2011032600192
Lots of aftershocks to go with that quake.
Lots of quakes to go with that aftershock.
Well, Detroit's available. Come on over.
No surprises from here on out. Lot's of fuel melted, reactor and containments breached and now it's just a frigging nightmare to control, contain and cleanup.
Possible limited uncontrolled fission could take place, more fires and if the wind turns southwest, more contamination towards Toyko.
That's the worst case. If Toyko freaks and empties out, what's left of their economy will fall off the cliff. Big implication around the world.
Japan, economy, mutually exclusive. A non sequitur. Moot.
Complete, fucking scumbags rule the planet. I have chosen the simple action of disengagement. Avoidance of taxation at every opportunity. Telling others to grow own crops, limit spending, buy PMs, buy locally and await the eventual attempts to make everyone "toe the line."
The folly of it all is that even if one is caught not paying the taxman piper, the judicial system is so incontrovertibly corrupt and ineffective that even simple legal tactic generally tie them in knots, allowing the "defendants" additional time to plan, avoid, escape.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_Schiff
Yes, Irwin Schiff is one guy who broke the rules with impunity, very public, and paid the price. Now imagine, if your tiny little brain will allow, a thousand quiet Irwin Schiffs, ten thousand, a million, ten million. First the IRS and the states have to locate the offenders, then arrest them, then try them, then jail them. First, the judicial process will take years if it even works at all. Then the stunning discovery that all those prison camps built by FEMA are simply not large enough to hold all the tax offenders.
Some people are negative by design. Others are just plain stupid.
Got deep freezers?
Remember. When the dirty bombs blow, get to Denver. Do whatever you have to. We will spray paint signs on the walls "Marla/Tyler". Follow the arrows, we will be waiting for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9EpqBf0oCY
thanks for the link. interesting.
The "news" states the USA is helping bring fresh water to the reactor site.
*For the record* I believe the water is for the people of japan, and If the "news" were to state that fact, there would be real trouble in the markets this next week.
Sea water was fine for cooling this last week but now they need Ozarka spring?
As the seawater evaporates it leaves behind the salt. Too much salt in the reactor will clog the cooling system.
Seawater is an acceptable short-term coolant, but they need to convert back to fresh water ASAP.
They're using a gasoline barge built in 1952 they had in Japan bringing 500,000 gals from one of our carriers that has desalinization I think, rods are encased in salt crystals and won't cool. I believe they are going to try and remove salt water (irradiated) and dump at sea my guess.
There was actually a post on TOD which stated that reactors work with distilled water, with a chlorine content of one billionth of a gram. The guy was saying that seawater has a chlorine concentration of 3.5% and that reactors are not made to withstand that, corrosion will appear in a mater of days was stated, and that this is no solution.
Also note that the water that "somehow" evaded the reactor has a 10.000X above legal limits radiation reading, however NOTE THAT WATER EVEN DURING NORMAL OPERATION does not have even close to that amount of radiation. This is all bullshit, nobody is telling the truth about this situation.
One billionth of a gram of plutonium will give you lung cancer, no. 3 was operating on MOX, and that plutonium doesn`t fucking go AWAY EVER, the dead will get cremated, the plutonium will be back in the atmosphere.
This is not about radiation but CONTAMINATION, this shit doesn`t go away, it will alter gens, will cripple many future generations, Chernobyl killed one million people.
So fizzy,did you put another quarter in the juke and change your tune? pussy
could they not just pull out our top secret "plasma" and make the entire area disappear?my understanding is that it joins matter to anti-matter and leaves nothing.
"Defense Minister Yoshimi Kitazawa said late Friday that the U.S. government had made "an extremely urgent" request to switch to fresh water."
Something is definitely up. We (USG) know something about this but haven't said publicly what it is. But it's 'extremely urgent'....
It doesn`t matter, there were some calculations on TOD with the salt already accumulated in the reactors, numbers are huge. At this point in the reactors you have a salty radioactive sludge and melted cores in that salt, probably the spent fuel pools are in the same condition.
Who the fuck will clean that sludge, knowing he will be dead in one month, maybe sooner?
40 km from Fukushima they found radioactive content 5 cm in the soil, that is totally fucked.
BTW, the plume is on its way to the US, next Europe, radiation was already detected in Iceland. Finally this will blanket the entire northern hemisphere. And there is no "dose" of "safe" radiation, it`s contamination that matters, contamination that will be recirculated in the environment, get to your testicles and give people that 4 breasts daughter they`ve always dreamed about. It is however of out own making, I guess the batshit insane folks don`t need planet niburu after all, we have all the fireworks here on Earth.
some source (sorry, forgot which in the blur, but it wasn't from Japan) was quoted late this week giving actual numbers for the amount of salt accumulated in the reactors. Twas a big sounding number. It was surprising to get that kind of detail in the largely detail free zone of reportage.
Now this 'urgent request' issue.
Maybe the two are tied... the USG leaking (no pun intended) more and more detailed findings to put heat (again with the no pun) on the JPG to get with the program.
Assuming all this doesn't get substantially fixed in short order, it will be interesting to see how international pressure on Japan to do something plays out.
I seem to recall something like 57,000 pounds. Oh here it is, although it's a Time blog citing back to the NYT:
http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/03/24/fukushima-the-salt-problem/
"The New York Times, citing a former engineer with General Electric, which designed the reactors at Fukushima, estimates that 57,000 pounds of salt have accumulated in Reactor No. 1 and 99,000 pounds in Reactors No. 2 and 3. But those reactors are larger. And Shan Nair, a British nuclear safety expert who was part of a panel that advised the European Commission on its response to the Chernobyl disaster in 1986, told Ecocentric that it's very difficult to know the danger posed by salt accumulation without more information. 'Simply the amount of salt is not the only factor. The salt will melt, some of it will be burned off in vapor. Determining the safe level is like the sort of question you'd ask a PhD student applying for a job in the nuclear industry. Without more information, however, I can already tell you, roughly, it would take a hell of a lot of salt to cause a problem. I'm not concerned about it.'
Not all nuclear experts share Dr Nair's sang froid. Some even worry that the Fukushima crisis will get worse before it gets better."
So Jim, you close to the Monticello plant also?
Monti is more or less center of the state. I could be anywhere in MN and be 'close' :*).
I live in the northwest burbs, always wondered if I sould come up with a bugout plan. Thinking about a nice quiet place near the north shore.
yes, that was it.
I was struck by the sudden supposed preciseness of the data compared to most of the vague and confusing babble from pretty much all the media.
It was reassuring that somebody somewhere was putting the slide rule to this thing. I've gotten the impression that TEPCO execs were sending in people to tap on the side of the reactors with a broom to try to figure out what's happening. :)
Salt. Sodium and chlorine. The interesting question. Can ionizing radiation disassociate salts like heat disassociated hydrogen and oxygen from water?? Sodium and water go boom.
The amount of radiation required to do that would boil water and melt flesh in less than a second.
It can, but if it does, you have bigger things to worry about. Well, you have nothing to worry about, because you are dead.
Time to relieve all TEPCO management of their duties and bring in some leadership to actually clean up the situation. I am not sure why they are trying to save reactors that likely cannot be salvaged after earthquake damage, explosions and damage due to attempts at cooling the reactor with seawater.
To give up on the reactors, as this author argues, will be the end of the nuclear industry as it will be proven without doubt that the industry has no clue on how to react to problems.
http://www.counterpunch.org/takashi03222011.html
"But more importantly, accepting the sarcophagus solution means admitting that they were wrong, and that they couldn't fix the things. On the one hand that's too much guilt for a human being to bear. On the other, it means the defeat of the nuclear energy idea, an idea they hold to with almost religious devotion. And it means not just the loss of those six (or ten) reactors, it means shutting down all the others as well, a financial catastrophe. If they can only get them cooled down and running again they can say, See, nuclear power isn't so dangerous after all. Fukushima is a drama with the whole world watching, that can end in the defeat or (in their frail, I think groundless, hope) victory for the nuclear industry. Hirose's account can help us to understand what the drama is about."
Peak Nuclear Power. The drop off on the down side of the curve is a bitch.
If they can only get them cooled down and running again
At Fukushima Dai-ichi? No way. Reactors 5 and 6 might be salvageable, but it makes no sense to restart them adjacent to a disaster site that will take years to decontamiate.
salvageable :
does that mean I can loose the front wheel at 130 MPH with that bike, or someone already did?
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I know this might come as a shock to some people but reactors 1, 2 and 3 at Chernobyl were restarted and used several months after Chernobyl 4 exploded. The entire Chernobyl complex was not completely shut down until 2000. Three Mile Island still has a second reactor chugging along and its license was renewed in 2009 until 2034.
If Fukushima 5 and 6 are not seriously damaged and can be repaired, I fully expect them to restart them at some point in the future unless there is a popular revolt. The upgraded power output of units 5 and 6 (1884 MW) is nearly equal to 1, 2 and 3 (2028 MW). And don't forget they were planning on building 7 and 8.
Not agreeing with this, just telling you how their minds work. When the Japanese people understand that they still want to watch TV and are tired of the rolling blackouts, they will close their eyes and go along.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Nuclear_Power_Plant
http://www.nrc.gov/info-finder/reactor/tmi1.html
Here's what they are facing... good reactor diagram here...
http://dailyinfographic.com/fukushima-reactor-infographic
Recap:
Apparently all the control rods were activated shortly after the earthquake thus stopping around 97 to 99 percent of the fission reactions and thus most reactor heat output. (That's the good news!)
It's the residual heat (low fission) emitting from the fuel rods and the inability to cool them that is causing the current problems.
The water levels inside the pressure vessels are falling which causes the exposed fuel rods to heat further creating higher pressures, temps and thus corrosive steam
As the temps increase the zircaloy casing on the fuel rods starts to deteriorate both through oxidation (at temps above 600 celcius) and complete zirconium hydrogenation to the brittle hydride at around 800 degrees celcius.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/maco.19850360302/abstract
http://www.scientific.net/MSF.561-565.1765
The deterioration and embrittlement of the zircaloy clading at elevated temperature will eventually release the sintered ceramic uranium pellets held within which will then collect at the bottom of the reactor vessel.
And since the fallen uranium/MOx pellets will have not have the benefit of the boron impregnated control rods to stop the fission reactions...
Yup.
Fission reactions will start again creating enormous amounts of heat that will eventually melt the bottom out of the pressure vessel and deposit the contents onto the floor beneath the reactor as full or partial meltdown ensues.
What happens after that depends largely on how the 150 tons per reactor (hopefully less) of fissile fuel rod contents ends up on the floor with the molten steel.
If dispersed the reaction may slow or cease. If not? Down down she goes!
And let's not even talk about the spent fuel ponds since the immediate area around the complex will have to be evacuated almost certainly resulting in two more meltdowns.
And then there is the wind.
They had better get water on this one quickly.
An excellent overview of the crisis.
No wonder those in the know haven't spelled it out!
The fact that knowledgeable insiders have not been transparent suggests that an alarming scenario like this is a possible outcome.
Look at you, crazy cat! See you in Denver OK? You won't have long once they go so don't delay.
Survival of the fittest not survival of the most dependent. Fight, slash, burn, get to DIA.
If they can get enough borated water into the "fuel pits" (melt down area) a restart ought to be preventable. Most likely.
Check out: "An Enemy of the People" by Henrik Ibsen.
...license was renewed...
That's a 110% guarantee of safety.
What about the poor firemen, soldiers they are sending to their death? Is it worth it? One life? 1000 lives? 1.000.000 lives? What is the price that must be paid for the "dream" to live on? This is all bullshit, there is not EVEN ONE nuclear plant, in the whole world that was decommissioned, EVER! The costs are HUGE, in some places in the US they are building "permanent" storing facilities for the spent fuel rods, this is fucking insane.
The implications of this event are huge, they will be felt for years to come, as people will succumb to disease, cancer, leukemia, caused by the contamination, as I stated before that dangerous shit (uranium, plutonium) doesn`t go away, it will remain in the soil, in the body, in livestock, it will just get recirculated in the environment.
Knowing that one billionth of a gram of plutonium will cause lung cancer who the fuck will buy a Toyota produced in Japan, ever? Or anything for that matter?
Taking in consideration the BP spill in the Gulf, one of the worlds most important fisheries, and contamination of the ocean near Japan, who the fuck will eat fish anymore? That`s 30 percent of all world food consumption and protein intake, this is mind-blowing bad, it will create huge strains in the food industry, prices will skyrocket, whole industries will be decimated, 2008 will look like a cakewalk.
Some have to be sacrificed so others can enjoy high standards of life.
you are a hysterical idiot
And you are crazy if you think that people won't be thinking about that over the next few years at least when buying things from Japan. If there is anything to buy.
The question of whether or not those reactors would ever generate power again was definitively answered the minute they dumped sea water into them.
It was probably a pipe dream even before that....but after the sea water there's simply no doubt.
And TEPCO readily admitted that at the time.
This brings new meaning to the Peter Principle. The human race simply isn't capable of dealing with nuclear power.
I was one of those people who was vocally opposed to nuclear power back in the 70's and 80's. But, people just didn't want to hear about it, the topic was just too depressing and people were more than willing to let "experts" handle the issue. I've always felt that the risk / reward ratio was just way too out of whack to make nuclear power a viable option. Never forget: Safety is EXPENSIVE. Redundancy is EXPENSIVE. Safely storing spent waste is EXPENSIVE. And what do companies like to do with expenses? CUT THEM. Res ipsa loquitor.
It really sucks when events turn out to prove you right, and you really really wish you hadn't been right.
Ah well, nice of TEPCO to help fortify the local ground water. Funny thing, some of us were talking about this kind of stuff a long time ago. Like Devo, for example.
http://videolimbo.blogspot.com/2008/11/devo-worried-man-1982.html
It takes a worried man to sing a worried song...
Just look at all the things that have been left to "experts"...every bit of it is FUBAR.
Reactors 5 & 6 were shut down and cold when the tsunami hit. The daily data parameters given out since show that they haven't done anything concerning at all - just sat there - reactor pressures and temps are low and stable, plant cooling was being maintained by the only diesel generator [of 14] that survived.
Seawater was only used in reactors 1 to 3 - all had already suffered fuel rod exposure/damage/meltdown, so they were write-offs anyway. Reactor 2 even has a breached reactor vessel.
It's the active and spent fuel in reactor building 4's pool that's tellingly not being mentioned by TEPCO. Someone needs to ask them why there's a chunky crane and a line of mixer-trucks pouring concrete right next to it - and into what exactly...? A smoking hole in the ground?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2011/mar/24/fukushima-nuclear-plant-in-pictures#/?picture=372933980&index=30
Good catch, Screw, on the ready-mix trucks. Thanks.
That crane is in proximity to #3 & #4 ... it seems.
..."it will be proven without doubt that the industry has no clue on how to react to problems..."
Wait- where did I hear that before? Ummm...oh yeah. Some l'il oil spill the public was whining 'bout that happened somewhere in the Gulf. Rinse and Repeat. Lessons not learned, or not cared to be learned.
But Obama's media reported that now that power has been restored the crisis is over? Of course the cooling pumps had been destroyed but whatever, who cares about the truth. The important thing is to be a cheerleader for the pendejos like Bernanke. Chupame mi verga, Bernanke! Marica!
All they got was a light bulb on w/ power, they ordered new turbines, pumps, etc. No way.
And of course, CNN continues to reiterate that there is no danger from any radiation, anywhere in the USA. These dimwits fail to take into account the cumulative effect of continued exposure over long periods of time, which poses no serious health effects since death occurs slowly and then quickly.
It's not enough to rage on the internet. Concerted action must begin for a rebellion against Wall Street asswipes like Bernanke and Obama.
I'm afraid they will use the gas against your crew.
It's a trend, just look at FuckINyoushima.
Radioactive materials ''will be significantly diluted'' by the time they are consumed by marine species, the agency said.
This might make sense if the radiation leaks had been stopped.
...it would not have a significant impact on fishery products as fishing is not being conducted in the area within 20 kilometers of the plant.
This might make sense if the tuna and other fish were known to also be obeying the 20 klic limit.
Wonder how the Japanese authorities pronounce 'inarticulate major premise', which undermines almost every declaration they make.
Of course the GOM is also off limits to sealife as well. Before this is all over, we may have Tuna that is corexited, irradiated, and oiled. Mmmmm....
Suicide tuna, flops on your fishing boat and says "eat me bitch, you deserve it."
Either that, or, "Kill me, now! Please!"
VisualCSharp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Wy_BRFElc
That Hip bastard Charlie offered himself up as a tasty delight. Him and his entire tribe of Tuna. He pioneered the way for German voluntary Cannibalism.
Oh god my sides are hurting from laughing at this...I for one am raising my own tilapia and probably won't touch GOM seafood for the rest of my life...I need to go find some IcyHot for my ribcage...!
The old environmental meme of "the solution to pollution is dilution". Although as the Cuyahoga River fire in Ohio indicated, that solution can go only so far.
To me this whole corporate/govt sleep-together is simply to keep the masses from panicking. As with the financial collapse of 2008, the Middle East revolutions, BPs Gulf disaster, the Iraq War being paid for with Iraqi oil, etc, the corporate media talking heads, the plutocracy/kleptocracy feeds bad news little by little so that a few months later the sheeple ignore the increasingly bad news and simply go back to watching 2.5 Men reruns and standing in line for the next iPad while texting royal wedding updates.
I think people repeat that just because it sounds snappy, not because it's true or because they know wtf they are talking about.
The solution to nuclear waste is definitely not dilution, because as everyone reading this board is probably already aware, these particles really get around, accumulate, and linger....and there is no safe exposure limit.
You are aware of nuclear medicine, right? Yes there is a safe exposure limit.
Yes, but you aren't hit with that dose on a continual basis. If it is in the environment, it is continual.
The US is not likely to see radiation doses high enough to do damage from Fukushima. THe likelihood of terrorists or "terrorists" targeting nuclear plants is a lot higher now, though. Owning a few dozen courses of KI is not a bad idea, to protect you, your family, and your neighbors. If you can manage to get access to one of the big suppliers, the stuff is dirt cheap too. You just need to weigh it out, dissolve it and dilute it to an appropriate dose. I made up 20 courses for my family and neighbors, and am prepared to make several hundred more if necessary, though I doubt they will be needed.
Yup, fish will be just "slightly" contaminated, great meal for the kids. That`s like saying hey John, I didn`t fuck your wife, she masturbated and performed a blow job on me, however I never came in her moth, all is OK.
Nah, you go on ahead there, bag-head. Go out in the street and protest and get shot. I have your back. Waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy baaaaaaaaaaack.
I prefer to lie low for now and plan for a future without laws, leaders, money, food and football.
++++.
No football? (captcha easy on hungover folks today)
I will agree to that, and the junk was uncalled for. Until the "water" settles it`s extremely risky to start protesting, give it ten years, stay low, stay safe, when TSHTF it will be every man for himself. Do you think you`ll call 911? Help will arrive? Bullshit, it will be of to the FEMA permanent relocation facility in a tent with 5 hungry Mexicans. Look at those poor fucks in Pakistan, still in tents 2 years after the quake.
I hate to brake it to you but help will not be coming. When government lies, deceives, it loses all legitimacy, nobody will follow orders, they will just take their families and go some place safe. Look at Tunisia for that matter, crony corrupt government, fell like a house of cards. It`s all make believe folks, authority is a symbol, it only remains as such as long as people perceive it, after wards chaos ensues. When/If TSHTF nobody is coming to the rescue. There was cannibalism in Berlin after WW2!
Only half a liter?
"At their highest concentration, near the wastewater outside the plant, the iodine levels in the sea could be dangerous: Half a liter of the water contains the equivalent of the annual approved dosage limit for an adult.
But officials stressed that contaminants would become diluted as currents carry them farther offshore. Fishing has already been banned in the area around the plant.
“I don’t believe the levels we detected today would . . . cause a direct problem,” Nishiyama said."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2011/03/26/AFdiG7bB_story.html
The Polaris Water Co. has been contracted to ship 1.4 million 1.5-litre bottles of glacier-sourced water within one month.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/03/24/bc-bottl...
But Karl Denniger dipshit said we would be ok
NEWS FLASH!
In a rambling tirade laced with anal-sex references, finacial commentator Karl Denninger today banned the Pacific Ocean, its tributaries, and all associated bays from membership in the blog "Ticker Forum". Denninger said the body of water violated his TOS and did not respond when he demanded it supply proof of radioactive contamination.
... during the statement showing 10 screens with charts
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..........and arousing comments from the forumettes
Denninger is back only for you asso, wishing you the cesium intoxication of you life.
Just stick that one in your virgin but
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFLsCYOQSqA
Cause sometimes, God is mad too.
The Japanese banks will finally get to mark all that Tokyo property to market from their bubble 20 years ago. And that market price is going to be zero.
You only have to look at the lies for money they are telling over this whole reactor issue to know that they would definately send us to war for money too.
Don't worry, Just exactly like Corexit, Radionuclides do not become concentrated at any point in the food chain, certainly not in any important commercial food fish. [sarc]
Jump! You Bankster Fuckers!
Eat some fish and drink some nice tap water, then JUMP! You Bankster Fuckers! ;-)
I take it you are not too okay with what is currently happening in GOM.
While not as dire as Dr. Joye and her group are saying, the ecological situation in the Gulf is certainly not as trouble-free as BP and their shills are making it out to be. I was in Brazil for a while so have not been directly involved in any Gulf research since November.
Would you consider moving to Brazil?
No. The Populists control a huge and marginally educated population with giveaways from the enormous incomes generated by selling off Brazil's epic natural resources. A large decrease in exports or incomes from overseas (say during a global economic collapse) Brazil will be on the brink of revolution in a heartbeat. If I am going to try to survive a collapse/revolution, I'd prefer to do it in a country where I am fluent in the language at least.
The grapes in Napa Valley are still safe? I dunno I won't get any in the next few years.
URGENT - USA / EU Radiation and Jetstream Forecast - UPDATE - March 26, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JDNJEW8MJs
if you live in California and across the midwest, perhaps it might be a good idea to stay indoors this weekend...........
Great link. Thanks.
Ever get the feeling you're being compared to Chicken Little? sarc./off Actuaries get out your life expectancy tables and adjust your models (and entitlement spending) on a go forward basis Sarc./full on
Chernobyl cleanup survivor to Japan: 'Run away as quickly as possible'
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/22/chernobyl-cleanup-survivors-message-fo...
"Manzurova and her colleagues were among the roughly 800,000 "cleaners" or "liquidators" in charge of the removal and burial of all the contamination in what's still called the dead zone."
800,000? That's some clean-up crew.
"Manzurova, now 59 and an advocate for radiation victims worldwide, has the "Chernobyl necklace" -- a scar on her throat from the removal of her thyroid -- and myriad health problems"
Hadn't heard that one before.
<<<<FLASH>>>><<<<FLASH>>>><<<<FLASH>>>>
Godzilla Has been spotted of the coast of Tokyo....
USA diverts USS Nimitz from Libya to aid in battle....
Japanese Prime Minster Naoto Kan says " Not to worry, We know just how to handle this kind of pests"....
Naoto Kan also thinks this may be "son of Godzilla"....
No response for President Obama....
Bloomberg...Markets should rally on better than expected news that its only son of Gzilla....
Go go Godzilla:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6rDWqjnW7w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7gFlSGXt_k&feature=related
"History shows again and again,
how Nature points out the folly of men!" -- Blue Oyster Cult
Everyone always forgets Gamera: Giant, Wicked, Flying Fire-breathing Turtle who attacked Tokyo !
http://godzilla.wikia.com/wiki/Gamera
Upadte from MSNBC:
Interviewing a local resident fleeing for his life; "Evely broody florgret oo rake pichers ruf grozilra rif gameras which no wolrk flom ladiashun."
Back to you, Rachel
This is the lead story on the BBC. NOT
This is the lead story on CNN. NOT
This is the lead story on the Telegraph. NOT
This is the lead story on the Guardian. NOT
This is the lead story on WSJ. NOT
This is the lead story on NYTIMES. NOT
This is the lead story on CNBC. ROFL
It is the lead story on Reuters. Congrats.
Near total news blackout. Mission accomplished
Aw c'mon, be fair.
Maddow had a physicist from Yale on for 2 minutes last night to tell us if this would be like Chernobyl:
"I really don't think so.", he said.
Lean forward...
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"fishing is not being conducted in the area within 20 kilometers of the plant"
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full quote:"Radioactive materials ''will be significantly diluted'' by the time they are consumed by marine species, the agency said, adding it would not have a significant impact on fishery products."
Those are some smart fish.
And I am in full admiration of the Japanese fish discipline to abide by government decree.
Things wouldn't have gotten that worse at Fukushima if the French firm Areva hadn't sold to the Japs their MOX fuel that proves to be extremely dangerous...
If the Fukushima disaster turns into a Level 7 (or 8 9?) catastrophy it'll be because of the MOX fuel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOX_fuel
Bravo Areva...
Should concrete containment be necessary, and I'm not suggesting that it will be, who has the ability to do it? TEPCO? Would it be an international effort?
An Open Mike Accidentally Left On Somewhere Near Fukushima:
<<Hummmmmm Hummmmmm Hummmmmmm Hummmmmm Hummmmmm>>
The comments section below the articles on Japan Today is always a good place to start if you want to judge the mood of the foreign expats in Nippon.
http://www.japantoday.com/
well, some really intelligent discussions going on there then...
/NOT
nice link tho'
"Duke Nukem" officially banned from Japan
Everyone should see the "The True Battle of Chernobyl Uncensored" Japan TEPCO, are you listening?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5384001427276447319#
Still no word about burying it. That means reality is still out of reach. Are they still saying they will fix something at this site? It's over Japan, bury it so you can save Hokkaido at least
Here is interesting quote I found before 2008 50% correction happened in silver:
http://www.marketwatch.com/Community/groups/small-silver-investor/topics...
"I think the data in the COT and the Bank Participation Reports indicate that the U.S. Government may have bailed out the biggest COMEX silver short by arranging for a U.S. bank to take over their position. This coincides with JP Morgan’s takeover of Bear Stearns. In fact, it would not surprise me if the bailout was JP Morgan taking over Bear Stearns‘ short silver position, at the government‘s request. While this silver bailout (if it happened) was no doubt undertaken with financial system stability in mind, it has disturbing implications of legality and equity"
So now ( from 2008) , its 2,5 years JPM owns this short silver position which has from that time increased in potential losses by approximately 2 times ( and it did bring down Bear Sterns then).
From 2008 8 october:
This is the relevant quote from the CFTC’s Oct 8 letter.
"In effect the increase [in the short position] reflected a one time acquisition of positions that were acquired through a merger in the industry, and not new trading by a bank. Thus, the assertion that there was new activity undertaken by the banks that led to a fall in silver prices is not correct since the "new" activity reflected in the CFTC’s report was in essence positions that had already existed in the market prior to July 1st."
But silver price went 50% down after this exercise, in one month.
Can something similar happen to JPM and why? What events could prompt someone try to bailout JPMs shorts in silver in next weeks? How would they be bailed out ? By nationalizing the bank 100%? Is there any other bank (FED) willing to take these shorts over?
"Edano criticized the utility's handling of the data, saying unless it reports necessary information to authorities in a timely manner, ''the government will not be able to give appropriate instructions and (TEPCO) will make workers, and eventually the public, distrustful'' of the firm."
Somehow I don't think that 'eventually' even applies here. We don't hear much about it but from what I have read people have lost confidence in the govt. and tepco.
This has been nothing but information supression and non-reporting from the beginning.
TEPCO had to cool the reactors in spite of the adverse affects of polluting everything with seawater. They had no power and without power they did not have fresh water. Now they have restored power, so the reactors can be cooled somewhat normally. They will be fighting the effects of oxidation from that seawater for they rest of the life of the plant as well as with all equipment used in the operation. This is an indication of the dire situation that they were in.
I watched some videos last night about Chernobyl. The propaganda that spewed out of Moscow, not caught by the filmmakers, was astounding. Chernobyl is not even close to being in equilibrium. The sarcophagus needs replaced immediately. Also, they showed a schematic of the design of the reactor facility. It was designed right on top of the entire Countries aquifer with little acknowledgement of the fact. Chernobly could blow its lid at anytime, it would render at least Europe uninhabitable. The films never said what exactly was done to protect the aquifer. I would love to know the real story behind this ongoing tradgedy.
Time to go to the bunker....Two words to live by: Food & Ammo... "got Rad pills" question is where is the mainstream media??????????? Whats up with that?
i find that the info on this site regarding fukushima reactors is way over the top, bordering on hysteria. most info coming from MSM is not worth reading, let alone taking at face value. maybe is good to remind that the victims count approaches 30,000, ZERO of which due to radiations. as comparison, chiba refinery has been burning for 10 days, with zero coverage from the media, and everybody knows that thousands tons hydrocarbons burned and spread in the water and ground are not a problem..
radiation levels in fukushima daichi area are way above "normal" or "legal" limits because these are very, very conservative, but they are way below danger level once outside the nuclear plant perimeter. even the "drinking water radiation poisoning" was OTT, same water wouild have been legal in europe, and the ban on its use has been already lifted. so please focus more on the real disaster (30,000 dead, 300,000 without water, food, shelter, electricity, many of which will probably die) and not on the "nuclear disaster" that never happened.
That is history you write about, bar another huge aftershock.
The results or nuclear plant ongoing degradations with lies and possible huge aftershock has unknown damaging potential.
Events are only unraveling with Fukushima, and so far nothing good has happened. It gets from bad to worse, slowly, but surely. One would like to see an opposite direction to be able to worry about 30 000 already dead in due sincerity. Otherwise, they may form only a small fraction of the dead from this disaster.
This is some sort of bot posting right? This can't have been typed by a human being.
My god we are all doomed.
Have mercy, brother.
We can only beat the hell out of each other over 1,2, perhaps 3 issues at a time.
/sarc
Hysteria is a normal response for this type of event. It will effectively fall either above or below Chernobyl in terms of seriousness. What has also become clear is that there is an enormous amount of lobbying going on by all affected parties. Government trust is at an all time low globally to begin with and with the drips and drabs of truth we begin to see a clear cover up of at the very least the severity of the events. No one with any clear knowledge of how the industry stores the spent fuel rods can envision the nuclear industry without massive changes going forward in my opinion.
We agree that 30,000 dead and 300,000 homeless is a terrible human tragedy caused by tsunami. We agree also that infrastructure damage (including Chiba refinery) and near total destruction of Sendai is an enormous loss. The G7 and US Navy have provided immediate financial and practical aid to Japan, and no one doubts that recovery and reclamation will be a long, painful process.
Fire, flood, hunger and homelessness can be cured with conventional remedies of disaster relief. But that is not true of the Fukushima Dai-inchi nuclear plant, which is an evolving disaster slipping farther out of control and has the potential to permanently despoil and poison a large portion of northeast Honshu and its fisheries. Depending on wind direction and further mismanagement of the Fukushima nuclear disaster, it could contaminate Kanto plain and force evacuation of Tokyo.
If you argue it is impossible, I will listen attentively.
In the meantime, foreign diplomatic staff have been evacuated or relocated. US base personnel and their dependents have been evacuated. US carriers abruptly put out to sea, moved away from the coast, and have undertaken extraordinary measures to decontaminate the aircraft used in onshore rescue/evac missions. Experts from US and European civilian and military atomic energy agencies are demanding greater transparency and urgent action at Fukushima Dai-ichi. It has been argued rightly that what happens in Japan will determine the future of nuclear energy worldwide.
Zero Hedge is one of the few portals to aggregate all the available information. It is not as benign as you imagine.
Well said.
It is not as benign as you imagine.
You have done here what others are doing elsewhere. Redirecting the conversation away from what has actually been said.
No one has claimed that the situation is benign. The question is not whether the situation is benign. The question is whether the situation is as bad as the worst scenarios that are being proposed. That is where the focus is. Instead of answering that question, you neatly divert attention by focusing on words that have never been uttered.
The truth is, the longer they keep things from catching on fire, the less likely what might have been becomes. No one has ever said this is benign. But folks are stating the truth when they say this is not likely to become as bad as it could have been. Notice that this is not a statement of fact. It is a statement of probabilities.
"The truth is, the longer they keep things from catching on fire, the less likely what might have been becomes."
That's the way most everyone is thinking. But Zer0Head, in a comment about 25 screens upthread, makes the opposite argument: that the cladding is deteriorating because of the lack of water, causing the uranium pellets to fall to the bottom and start fissioning, creating heat and a melt-down, followed by .... Here's the link to his comment:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/tepco-admits-another-cover-radioactivit...
From the link you provided Roger:
If dispersed the reaction may slow or cease. If not? Down down she goes!
The longer this goes on, the less likely it becomes that this process will continue down to the water table. Burning down to the water table is generally considered the worst possible outcome. That seems to be getting less and less likely as time passes.
The heat from decay drops precipitously in the seconds following shutdown, but then it tails off to nearly flat. After a full month these cores still hold roughly 2 MW of energy, each. That's enough to run a decent factory, and enough to boil off a vessel's worth of water and go back to 1000 degrees in an hour or two.
Sad as it is, it isn't any farther from disaster. It's just pouring in water and crossing fingers for a long, long time yet.
Jim - I'm not trying to argue. Just trying to make a little more obvious some of the finer detail. So, is this a reasonable conclusion: if what they have been doing has kept things from melting through to the water table, and if they keep on doing it, is it safe to say that it is not likely that things will melt through to the water table?
STATUS OF REACTORS AND SPENT FUEL POOLS
http://www.theoildrum.com/files/jaif_status_24march.png
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If one of 13 hot potatoes gets really hot, will the workers be pulled for a 12 hour period? Then anything can happen.
I do not like the odds...but as an unafraid guesser will guess that a big 'ooops' is about 50-50...meaning big time increase in release...fleeing the scene about 10% (1 in 5 given an oopsie)...flagrant, shameless full-on core meltdown 5% (50-50 if they do leave for an extended period)...getting through the bottom of the structures 1%...China Syndrome 0.1%.
Is that OK? Largest uncertainty is human: what will they do if it's a pure radioactive hell for whatever reason?
(FWIW I think having the cores partially melted/damaged actually decreases the likelihood of the worse meltdown scenarios, because it makes the cores less organized)
"The situation inside the reactor cores is not very stable and we can't say specifically how long that's going to last," Sakae Muto, executive vice president of Tokyo Electric, said late Saturday.
Koyama Kota, deputy chief of TEPCO Fukushima office, told Xinhua the nuclear accident at Fukushima Daiichi plant was very complicated. It was difficult to determine when the clean-up would be completed, he said, since the major task at present for the company was to control radiation leakage.
Largest uncertainty is human ...
Agreed. That is why I stipulated if they keep on doing what they've been doing.
the last part, like the rest of your analysis, strikes me as very realistic, with no ideological gloss.
I've suggested before that you find a way to put your posts up someplace on the net where they won't get lost in the thicket of ZHville. I've had quite a few ask me where they could go on the net for good info, solid but not oversold. I've had to hem and haw.
This is much more benign than you could ever imagine -
but you are clearly in denial,
most probably because you took a punt on yellow cake Uranium.
Nuclear energy was and never will be fail-safe or economically viable :
the costs and risks of long-term storage nuclear waste are just too high.
The cost and time taken to build or modify Nuclear power stations are way too high
and after more disasters now, the political incentive of politicians will have died completely.
This is clearly much more benign than you could ever imagine -
Q&A on FukushimaQ: Is nuclear energy an important part of fighting climate change? No. Nuclear power can do little or nothing in the fight against global warming. Nuclear power is used only to generate electricity and represents a mere 16% of the world's electricity, less than 6% of total energy consumption. Electricity itself only accounts for around one third of greenhouse gases created by mankind.
The Energy Scenario produced by the International Energy Agency shows that even if existing world nuclear power capacity could be quadrupled by 2050 its share of world energy consumption would still be below 10%. This would reduce carbon dioxide emissions by less than 4% (source: Energy Technology Perspectives 2010, IEA/OECD, June 2010).
This would require that one new reactor to be built every 10 days from now until 2050. Investment costs for 1,400 new reactors needed would exceed USD 10 trillion at current prices (source: Figures based on Moody's estimate of nuclear power 7,500 USD per kilowatt of installed capacity).
Also, nuclear power plants cannot be built fast enough to make even the smallest difference in the few years left within which greenhouse gas emissions need to peak and start to decline, so that we can avoid catastrophic climate change. Analysis undertaken by the World Energy Council has shown that worldwide construction times for nuclear reactors have increased. The average construction time for nuclear plants has increased from 66 months n the mid 1970s, to 116 months, nearly 10 years.
Such a rapid growth is also unrealistic, as in the past ten years, less then 3 large reactors have been turned on annually. At most, the industry has the capacity to build six per year globally
Q: Isn't nuclear energy cheaper than wind/solar/coal/oil/gas?
On the other hand, "fuel-free" sources like solar and wind do not cause conflicts, they do not cause disasters. Their prices will only come down, because there are no such things as "peak-wind" or "peak-sun" and technological advances and market competition will drive the costs down. This cost reduction doesn't depend on time, but on the scale of deployment [ energy [r]evoultion pg 58]. The more we use them the cheaper, and better, they get. You just need to compare the costs and functions of a cell phone in the 90's to what they are now to see how this works. To make that happen we need political will, we need to stop wasting time and resources on dangerous options like nuclear, coal or unconventional oil.
Renewables will also result in a more stable climate, more jobs, more access to energy for the one in three people in the world who do not have reliable energy services and new markets, which make them more and more attractive.
Q&A on Fukushima: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/campaigns/nuclear/safety/acci...