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TEPCO Can Not Rule Out Meltdown At Fukushima Reactor

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Remember Japan? From Kyodo: TEPCO Can Not Rule Out Meltdown At Fukushima Reactor. Surely this is bullish for lead, over and above the massive surge in demand for the metal from central banks.


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Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:45 | 1188667 Dick Darlington
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Rush into the safety of Russell 2000!

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 14:07 | 1189084 jus_lite_reading
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Wed, 04/20/2011 - 15:30 | 1189520 knukles
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About time.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 15:00 | 1189388 jus_lite_reading
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Thu, 04/21/2011 - 01:39 | 1191362 Aulieude
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Nah.. I think it's because you insist on writing in all capitals.  It's kind of annoying.  I didn't junk you btw.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:45 | 1188670 101 years and c...
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and bullish for INTC.  it takes a lot of computing power to create trillions of yen (and subsequently dollars) on a laptop.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:46 | 1188680 Dreadker
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And I hear apple will make an app for that, boosting their share price further lol

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:45 | 1188672 Dreadker
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I've been bullish on lead for a while... as long as its hollow point or FMJ ;-)

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:59 | 1188754 Jack Mayoffer
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I wish CheaperThanDirt.Com was a publically traded company.  Imagine all the lead they are slinging now.....huge upward trending.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 14:19 | 1189159 MachoMan
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Their shipping is quick, but their prices aren't very good...

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:58 | 1188759 Vergeltung
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jacketed hollow point, in .40 S&W is good as well......  ;-)


Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:06 | 1188814 string
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FMJ is fine on the range.

However, when there's a job to do, 124 grain JHP is your boy.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:22 | 1188895 SheepDog-One
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Have a good diversified 'basket of bullets', depending on the job at hand you want all kinds while JHP is fine for zombies in the street, theyll splatter like a paintball on a radiator or car door, then switch to FMJ.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 19:37 | 1190454 trav7777
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bonded rounds will not and most jhp rounds at any rate will fly right through car doors

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:44 | 1188676 mt paul
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every nuclear melt down 

has a silver lining ...

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:58 | 1188741 Herne the Hunter
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Especially when there's Palladium around

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:56 | 1188746 Herne the Hunter
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I meant to say, "insert nuclear fission joke here"

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 14:45 | 1189308 goldfish1
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Tokyo Electric admits fuel could be melting at Fukushima nuke plant

TOKYO, April 21, Kyodo

An official at Tokyo Electric Power Co., the operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, admitted Wednesday that fuel of the plant's No. 1 reactor could be melting.


Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:44 | 1188679 redpill
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Which reactor?  Two I imagine?  They have no pressure in the reactor vessel and it's pretty hot.  That original explosion in the containment system is probably the main source for all this radioactive water.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:01 | 1188772 cossack55
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One of the best Fuku sites I have yet found (found at ZH, of course)

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:26 | 1188905 flattrader
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This guy is still on the job.

Some interesing posts and commentary here--

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:27 | 1188906 flattrader
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This guy is still on the job.

Some interesing posts and commentary here--

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:46 | 1188683 Shitters_Full
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Tyler, what is the source for this info?  Not doubting you...just looking for more info.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:48 | 1188698 SilverRhino
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Follow up on that thought.   Tyler would it be possible to put source links into your documentation?  

I see a lot of good articles and I want to share them out.   Thanks.


Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:50 | 1188705 redpill
Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:56 | 1188735 Tyler Durden
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In this case Bloomberg and Kyodo

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:04 | 1188780 cossack55
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see above also

Arnie the G is the nukes version of Matt Simmons

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 14:30 | 1189243 TheMerryPrankster
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try this:


as long as its up somebody better archive it locally in their hard drive.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:48 | 1188689 writingsonthewall
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Bullish for concrete?


Bullish for Russian Nuclear experts?


Bullish for radioactive suits and masks?


It's aaaaaalllllll good.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:56 | 1188731 Id fight Gandhi
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Bullish for funeral directors, coffin makers, crematoriums.

Dow will rally if it's BTE.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 15:38 | 1189558 Terminus C
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don't forget big pharma for all the cancer drugs.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:47 | 1188693 SDRII
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Dollar Crucifixion, the irony

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:50 | 1188711 romanko
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news flash: Tyler cannot rule out the fact that he/they:

(a) are short uranium stocks

(b) are trolling for website visits to increase the market value of ZH

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:53 | 1188715 SDRII
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no cash settle

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:54 | 1188728 redpill
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speaking of trolling...

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:00 | 1188779 Global Hunter
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Being short uranium stocks would be a good idea.  I'm pretty sure one can't short the physical unless you hang out in Putin's or Sarkozy's circle of friends.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:04 | 1188770 bingaling
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Who the fuck are you? Someone posted a link to another news source reporting the same thing . What I cant figure out is why your member since info isn't posted yet . Did you just get your ZH id minutes ago ?

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:18 | 1188851 Cognitive Dissonance
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Whoops. Looks like Romanko has been booted.

Click on his ID and you're told "Access Denied. You are not authorized to view this page". This is the classic ZH sign that someone sleeps with the fishes.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:21 | 1188887 hedgeless_horseman
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You must be [this] short to ride this website.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 14:20 | 1189177 Alienated Serf
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I can see his info:

Member for

38 weeks 5 days

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 14:38 | 1189273 jus_lite_reading
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Go troll yourself scumbag.

Youre junked to oblivion

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:53 | 1188713 glenlloyd
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Uh....I don't think the population ever ruled meltdown out so how is this even news?

This can't even be considered an 'airing of the dirty laundry' because everyone assumed that since there was nothing accomplished to contain the situation that a meltdown was pretty much in the works.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:51 | 1188716 djsmps
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This should be good for Netflix and OpenTable.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:58 | 1188749 Id fight Gandhi
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No cmg and lulu somehow they're better than gold.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:32 | 1188929 Logans_Run
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Shit! Where is Robo posting ramps on mo-mo equities when you need him most?

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:56 | 1188751 Sudden Debt
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If they bought silver, all would be oke....

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:00 | 1188763 TruthInSunshine
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"May you live in interesting times."


There's nothing really going on in the world, whether politically, financially, militarily, revolutionary, speculatively, on a sovereign basis, metereologically or radiologically.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:04 | 1188803 cossack55
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Oh yeah? What about geophysically?

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:16 | 1188860 TruthInSunshine
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Yes. That, too.

And metaphysically.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 12:58 | 1188765 Sudden Debt
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If Fukushima is karmas payback for pearl harbor...

I wonder what karma has in store for america's Hiroshima and Nagasaki....

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:06 | 1188810 cossack55
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Ironically, is that not what the original occupants of the N. American continent referred to gold as? (lousy sentance structure) 

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:25 | 1188874 franzpick
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I'm WAGing that one payback may be radioactive bluefin tuna after their annual 3 month migration from offshore eastern Honshu to the US west coast.

And if our regulatory cabals say they won't be testing it, many civilians will be, and a new law prohibiting that won't surprise me, nor will it stop restaurant testing as has already started in NYC and LA. 

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:32 | 1188933 Diogenes
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Hiroshima and Nagasaki were payback for Pearl Harbor. A thousand bomb tests in Nevada were payback for H and N.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 14:57 | 1189359 Confuchius
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Evidently it was B4 your time, but your indescribably stupid pathetic excuse for a government blockaded Japan to prevent it from getting oil from Indonesia.

So what, exactly, would you have done if not bomb Pearl Harbour?

What would you have done to (say) Cuba, if the Cubans cut off your IV drip from the Saudis?

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 19:51 | 1190487 Bringin It
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The Japanese authorities created their own bad press and karma with their treatment of the subjugated, ie. Nangking, making themselves easily demonized.

Then they decided to do Pearl Harbor, but were too afraid [or whatever] to land troops.  If it's a zero-sum game and you need to go all in, ... go all in.

No do-overs.

As it turned out, they did enough to make the isolationist-leaning Americans irate, but not enough to do strategic damage - no carriers hit, no landings. 

End result - FDR got his war.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:03 | 1188766 Gully Foyle
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Agency admits 'melting' of N-fuel

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has reported to a Cabinet Office safety panel that nuclear fuel pellets in the Nos. 1 to 3 reactors at the quake-hit Fukushima power station are believed to have partially melted.

The report was the first time the agency, an organ of the Economy, Trade and Industry Ministry, has acknowledged that nuclear fuel has melted at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant.

Hidehiko Nishiyama, a spokesman for the agency, told a press conference Monday about the agency's report to the Nuclear Safety Commission. The agency had previously only described the nuclear fuel as having been at least 3 percent "damaged."

According to Nishiyama, damage to reactors can be described in three phases of increasing severity. In the first phase of initial damage to a reactor's core, the metallic casing surrounding the fuel pellets are damaged but the pellets remain intact. The second phase involves some melting of nuclear fuel. In the third phase, what is known as a meltdown, all the fuel pellets melt and accumulate at the bottom of the containment vessel.

The agency said it now believes the fuel pallets have melted because of the high levels of radiation detected at the Nos. 2 and 3 reactors. Melting fuel pellets also likely led to a hydrogen explosion at the No. 1 reactor, Nishiyama said.

Tokyo Electric Power Co., the operator of the crippled plant, has said the cores of the Nos. 1 to 3 reactors have been damaged by 25 percent to 70 percent. But the agency emphasized that these figures are only estimates.

"We can't say for sure about how much has melted until the rods are actually taken out," Nishiyama said.

Robots face difficulties at Fukushima plant

Tokyo Electric Power Company says radioactive debris and high humidity are hampering the investigation by robots at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

The company began using remote-controlled robots to explore the first three reactor buildings on Sunday and Monday.

At the Number 2 reactor building, the robot's camera lens was instantly clouded by high humidity.

TEPCO officials think that the steam is coming from the damaged section of the reactor's suppression pool.
But they have not found a way to resolve the problem as the steam could be highly toxic.

(Update) No. 2 Reactor Spent Fuel Rods May Be Damaged

   Tokyo, April 18 (Jiji Press)--Tokyo Electric Power Co. <9501> said Monday that spent nuclear fuel rods at the No. 2 reactor at its crippled nuclear power plant may be damaged although damage levels have yet to be known.
   The company said its examination of water in a tank connected to the spent fuel pool of the reactor at the Fukushima No. 1 plant, ravaged by the March 11 quake and tsunami, found 4,100 becquerels of radioactive iodine per cubic centimeter and 4,000 to 160,000 becquerels of radioactive cesium.
   The radioactive cesium levels are extremely high, company official Junichi Matsumoto said. The company believes the levels, compared with data on leaks from the reactor vessel, indicate that spent fuel rods have been exposed and damaged. The spent fuel pool contains 615 fuel assemblies.
   However, the industry ministry's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency believes the detected radioactive materials are likely to have leaked from the reactor vessel.
   The agency explained that it is implausible to associate the high concentration of iodine-131, whose half-life is short, with spent nuclear fuel rods, which are stored for a long time.

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Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:04 | 1188789 Rogerwilco
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Japan? That is soo last month, c'mon just drop it. KD says we're all safe-n-sound here in the beneficent USofA, and it's even OK to travel to Japan as long as we don't stay too long in the same spot.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:03 | 1188792 sangell
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NHK has an interview with the head of NISA. He speaks English so there is no translation 'issue'. He said the spent fuel pool in reactor 2 needs to be 'reinforced' and that TEPCO has been ordered to conduct a stability assessment for the entire rotten complex.

Also Asahi Shimbun has a good article from TEPCO's doctor at the Fukushima plant. He says the workers health is not good. Its not radiation ( yet) but overwork and stress. He says some may die!

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:11 | 1188820 cossack55
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Now that IS some serious stress.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:12 | 1188830 Dejean Splicer
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Reactor Status and Major Events Update 106 - NPPs in Fukushima as of 20 April


From Dutch.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:17 | 1188852 dogismyth
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uhh...i thought a meltdown at this point was basically....impossible.  Shouldn't that happen in the first few days?  Why would TEPCO come out and say this?  Excrement meter is at 10+

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:21 | 1188889 sangell
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My guess, and it is just that,  is that based on the comments from the head of NISA ( alluded to in my comment above) that the very structural integrity of those reactor buildings is now in doubt. Remember they have just been able to send robots inside to have a look around. The NISA boss said the SPF next to and above reactor 2 is known to need to reinforcing.

Now you don't have to be a civil engineer to realize having a few thousands tons of water, concrete and fuel rods falling onto a damaged nuclear reactor to understand that could be serious.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:15 | 1188855 Arkadaba
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And finally the Japanese gov is saying it is a no-go zone:

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:24 | 1188893 Dejean Splicer
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Just in time:

"Radioactive iodine found in breast milk near Tokyo — Mother of 8-month old baby has 980 pCi/kg"

Lots of work going on here:

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:49 | 1189009 flattrader
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Same article link from enenews.

Look at the other links on the page.  Radioactive milk from Hawaii to Vermont.

The links to radiation in rainwater are alarming.  18,000x above federal standard.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:17 | 1188866 Josh Randall
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Bullish for Hari Kari and cemetaries unfortunatley.. oh ya - and Airlines, Extended Stay America, Marriott, and Nyquil

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:29 | 1188904 no2foreclosures
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Someone below was commenting on the possibility of bad karma as the cause of what's happening with the Japanese nuclear holocaust (my wording).

I think if the Japanese have bad karma, it's not the bombing of Pearl Harbor (which they were goaded to do due to the economic sanctions and embargoes committed by the U.S., U.K., and the Netherlands), but rather these two things: (1) the atrocities committed by the Japs during WWII in China and elsewhere, most especially where they performed these horrific biological and chemical experiments on innocent civilians, and (2) the Dolphin Holocaust happening even right now at the Cove near Taijii, Japan.

They are literally slaughtering hundreds of thousands of dolphins at this Cove each year, as well as capturing the good looking ones for all the aquariums around the world.  Watch the movie, The Cove, if you dare.  It's actually extremely empowering yet very heart-breaking.

I was speaking with a friend who had lived in Japan for over 10 years.  He explaination of the Japanese psyche is that after WWII, they were extremely ashamed of their nationalism.  So, what they did was to suppress it and then later on channel that buried nationalism into two cardinal areas: (1) the killing whales and dolphins as part of their food chain, and (2) the growing of rice.  These two industries used the education system to brainwash the masses.  So today, they are totally brainwashed when it comes to this issue of the Dolphin Holocaust.  The kids in school are trained to eat dolphin and whale meat as part of their school provided diet.

Fukushima is it bad karma for Taijii and WWII???

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 18:57 | 1190359 Ident 7777 economy
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 the Dolphin Holocaust 

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Man, are you series?

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 13:37 | 1188958 Diogenes
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Forget the karma bullshit. The Fukushima disaster is payback for building a cheap reactor on top of a fault zone and storing the spent fuel rods in the attic. Some douchenozzles made millions of extra profit and walked away, leaving the people holding the bag as usual. What the hell there are millions more where they came from.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 14:46 | 1189323 TheMerryPrankster
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Yeah, but why let facts and logic get in the way of a chance to dispense karmic baggage on an arbitrary basis?  Who could of foreseen a problem with building a nuclear reactor on a fault line next to the ocean?

These giants of science, can't even properly construct a nuclear reactor, and yet they tell us they can safely store the nuclear waste for tens of centuries, longer than any political entity has survived. Why is credibility of public officials at an all time low? Could it be the constant deceit?

As my friend Bender likes to say "We're boned!".

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 19:58 | 1190507 Bringin It
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Nuclear plants can not get commercial insurance.  The premiums required to cover the risks would make the plants financially impossible.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 19:04 | 1190371 Ident 7777 economy
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 payback for building a cheap reactor on top of a fault zone and storing the spent fuel rods in the attic.

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If and only if - the Tsunami hadn't been so danged high ... I think it would still be a lost cause even if the diesel gens were still serviceable, because, AC switchgear and large, Ocean-water (for heat exchanger/condenser cooling) pump motors were inundated with seawater ...


Wed, 04/20/2011 - 14:04 | 1189082 andilinks
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Radiation detection and measurement products should be more bullish than lead shielding.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 18:54 | 1190345 Buck Johnson
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What they should say is that they can't rule out meltdown at Unit 2 and uncontrollable fission in spent fuel pond in unit 4.  They are done.

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 22:00 | 1190830 Burticus
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"Surely this is bullish for lead, over and above the massive surge in demand for the metal from central banks."  Fukdupshitman!

Yes, lead..."the other white metal."  Done bought it on the dips too.

Thanks, ZH!

Thu, 04/21/2011 - 06:33 | 1190875 Burticus
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