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TEPCO Finally Seeks Outside Help, As Pot Calls Kettle Radioactive - Government Says Not To Trust Greenpeace Radiation Data

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It only took TEPCO about two weeks to realize what had been so glaringly obviously to many - namely that the company is largely unprepared to deal successfully with the Fukushima catastrophe on its own. Reuters reports that TEPCO, which has conceded it faces a protracted
and uncertain operation to contain the crisis, sought outside help,
asking help from French firms including Electricite de France SA and
Areva SA. The question now arises whether it is too late for any help to come, and how fast before the sudden inlfux of new cooks spoils the radioactive broth. The news comes
after TEPCO announced highly radioactive water has leaked from a reactor
at Japan's crippled nuclear complex, as environmental group Greenpeace said it had detected high
levels of radiation outside an exclusion zone.

From Reuters:

Reflecting growing unease about efforts to control the six-reactor Fukushima Daiichi complex, plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) had appealed to French companies for help, the Kyodo news agency said.

The plant, 240 km (150 miles) north of Tokyo, was damaged in a March 11 earthquake and tsunami that left more than 27,000 people dead or missing across northeast Japan.

Fires, explosions and radiation leaks have repeatedly forced engineers to suspend efforts to stabilise the plant, including on Sunday when radiation levels spiked to 100,000 times above normal in water inside reactor No. 2.

Apparently one can have a partial meltdown, which is comparable to being only partially pregnant:

 A partial meltdown of fuel rods inside the reactor vessel was responsible for the high levels of radiation at that reactor although Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said the radiation had mainly been contained in the reactor building.

TEPCO later said radiation above 1,000 millisieverts per hour was found in water in tunnels used for piping outside the reactor.

That is the same as the level discovered on Sunday. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says a single dose of 1,000 millisieverts is enough to cause haemorrhaging.

TEPCO officials said the underground tunnels did not flow into the sea but the possibility of radioactive water seeping into the ground could not be ruled out.

And now that Greenpeace is there, things are about to get much worse, as the environmental group is certain to announce radioactivity levels far worse than the government's "conservative" estimates. 

Greenpeace said its experts had confirmed radiation levels of up to 10 microsieverts per hour in a village 40 km (25 miles) northwest of the plant. It called for the extension of a 20-km (12-mile) evacuation zone.

"It is clearly not safe for people to remain in Iitate, especially children and pregnant women, when it could mean receiving the maximum allowed annual dose of radiation in only a few days," Greenpeace said in a statement, referring to the village where the radiation reading was taken.

The hilarious thing is that it took just a few hours for the first attempt at discredicitng Greenpeace to arrive: Reuters notes that the Japan Nuclear Agency says Greenpeace's radiation measurements outside evacuation zone can't be considered reliable. As for those uber-reliable measurements from the government:

Residents there have been repeatedly rattled by aftershocks from the strongest earthquake in Japanese history, including a magnitude 6.5 tremor on Monday that triggered a tsunami warning.

"I lived through World War Two, when there was nothing to eat and no clothes to wear. I'll live through this," said Mitsuharu Watanobe, sitting cross-legged on a blanket in an evacuation centre in Fukushima city.

"But the scary thing is the radiation. There is a gap between what the newspapers write and what the government is saying. I want the government to tell the truth more."

So as the pot calls the kettle radioactive it is now glaringly obvious that the strategy here is to stupefy and obfuscate for as long as possible, while it becomes even more obvious that there is absolutely no strategy on how to deal with the biggest nuclear catastrophe since Chernobyl. In the meantime BTFD.

 


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Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:20 | Link to Comment aVian
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seems bullish

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:37 | Link to Comment tallen
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S+P Futures up 0.2%. BTFD.

How I feel right now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:38 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Definitely.

I believe Greenpeace...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:35 | Link to Comment Republican Lackey
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Do you believe them when they say global warming is man made?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:45 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Not entirely, but 7.5 billion people all breathing out at the same time is a lot of CO2, and not something the planet is historically used to.

I believe global warming to be cyclical, and in many ways beyond our control, but I also believe it foolish to think we don't have any impact either.

Question is, why would Greenpeace lie about this?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:08 | Link to Comment Republican Lackey
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"I believe global warming to be cyclical, and in many ways beyond our control, "

So are you saying you believe in the science that supports your view point and don't believe in the science that does not? I'm just confused by your willingness to accept Greenpeace's findings on nuclear sciences but not on earth sciences.


 


 



 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:38 | Link to Comment writingsonthewall
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If I am faced with a choice about who to believe - EVERY SINGLE SCIENTIST in the world....or oil backed republican NEO con-liberals who are are stupid as they are sunburnt - I'll take the scientists thanks.

 

....or can any Neo-con produce a scientist who disagrees with the consensus that global warming is man made and we need to control it?

 

....just one - I'm not fussy now...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:48 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Dude, it's the neocons who are behind the global warming bullshit.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 11:09 | Link to Comment In Fed We Trust
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Yes in deed the global warming stuff is made up.

As I conspiracist, I believe the motive is a new system of control, as the elitist know that the fed can't go on forever, or maybe it's the oil giants waking up to the idea of fossil fuels are adead industry.

So one of these groups, either the fed or the oil cartel, have been plotting now for a number of years, this climate change bullshit.

Or maybe they are working together. The new system of control: Carbon Credits. The science is much to complicated for us. Well just have to trust the gov or the exchanges on how much individual pollution insurance we should all purchase to be responsible or law abiding citizens. Suckers.

Dont be surprised if these elitest, set about causing havoc on the Earth, to fasttrack the process and make us all believers.

Things like the oil spill really helps fasttrack the process. Not to mention making the insiders rich. The thing in Japan, I would no t be surprised if the banks are behind it.

Billions to be made crashing the Japanese markets. If it was a natural disaster, and not Goldman Sachs placing a bomb in some offshore oil wel off the coast of Japan, then there is a think tank somewhere, saying Damn, I wish I would of thought of that! One little bomb, in an oil well, causes Earthqauke, country collaspes. 

This is the new warfare. Crash the country. Collect in the stock market. 

All it took was 911, to make you all believers in terror.

A simillar incident will make you all believers in Carbon Creidits. 

Whatever dramatic weather 2012 brings with it, and along the way, along with the increasing occurance of man made disasters; I fully expect the media to spin in a way that makes us believers in Carbon Credits.

It is quite possible that Carbon Credits will become the backbone of the one world currency, once the dollar collappses.

1-2 years, tops. 

 

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 20:23 | Link to Comment Reptil
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Oh hell yes Global Climate Change is a man influenced phenomenon. Because of Global dimming.

Watch this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2058273530743771382#

Then reason; if you take out all the contrails (and other causes of global dimming) out of the equasion, what are you left with? That's right, a significant warming effect. Take it one step further and directed manipulation (silver iodine anyone) are not such remote conceptions.

Big question: WHY?

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:02 | Link to Comment Stormdancer
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Not one scientist, but over 31,000 of them...over 9000 with PhD's.

http://www.petitionproject.org/qualifications_of_signers.php

Your "scientific consensus" doesn't exist anywhere outside the minds of propagandists.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 11:14 | Link to Comment In Fed We Trust
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As we have learned from hi finance.

Statistics, along with mathamathical theories can all be concocted to for alterior motives.

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:36 | Link to Comment imaginalis
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Belief has become a useless commodity, a real door shutter to further understanding.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:45 | Link to Comment Arkadaba
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Harlequin 001 comes in early to obfuscate.

I'm open regarding global warming but haven't been convinced yet and don't find Harlequin's post particularly illuminating.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 11:02 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Arkadaba: My comment was that I would rather believe Greenpeace than TEPCO or the government of Japan when taking a Geiger counter reading. I don't intend to right the wrongs of this world or start a debate about global warming.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 18:55 | Link to Comment i-dog
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Greenpeace -- like TEPCO and the guv -- is just another data point with an agenda. Crowdsourced data can be similarly skewed from the truth.

Truth is a perception.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 11:09 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Republican: Common sense dictates that you can't have an ice age without a 'warm' age, and we have had many ice ages, ergo global warming just like global cooling is cyclical. Do I need a scientist to tell me that?

Whilst I stand to be corrected I have been told that when the Petronas Twin Towers were built in Malaysia the surface temperature on the concrete at ground level increased by 3 degrees C.

Global warming is always with us but not for a minute do I think that we don't make a difference. If the world was in a cooling cycle then pumping out all kinds of shit into the atmosphere to warm it up would be perceived as a good thing.

I accept neither one side or the other, I think I have worked it out for myself already.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:27 | Link to Comment jmc8888
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That's not global warming...it's heat island effect.

Two completely different things.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:55 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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so what is it if it's not getting hotter...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:52 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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"but 7.5 billion people all breathing out at the same time is a lot of CO2"

It's all the farting . .

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:30 | Link to Comment Thomas
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Passing radioactive gas

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:55 | Link to Comment boooyaaaah
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Why are there no trees above the tree line?

Because there is no co2 above the tree line.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:33 | Link to Comment i-dog
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"but 7.5 billion people all breathing out at the same time is a lot of CO2"

... and 75 billion (or 750 billion or whatever the number) trees and plants all breathing  out oxygen at the same time is a lot of O2. The more CO2 there is, the happier the plants (and crops) are. It has been like that for eons.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 11:12 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Yes but we are cutting down the trees aren't we...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 20:33 | Link to Comment i-dog
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Indeed, we are ... but ... we are also killing off all the other CO2 breathing animals to counteract that. Call it a 'carbon offset'. :p

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:51 | Link to Comment alexanderstollznow
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to the question "why would Greenpeace lie about this?"

answer: because Greenpeace is ideologically opposed to nuclear anything, and therefore a motive for exaggerating, it has no legal duty to be truthful, there are no potential sanctions of any sort being otherwise, it has no transparency, and has a history of exaggerating nuclear risks. 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 11:14 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Ok Alex but I believe TEPCO has a pretty big incentive to understate it as well.

No one can tell for certain yet. Still in this matter I prefer to believe Greenpeace...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 13:28 | Link to Comment jmc8888
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Yep this is classic dark arts. Greenpeace is a FASCIST organization. That's a fact. (not opinion).  All you have to do is look at their stated philosophy and know ANYTHING about fascism to make the appropriate connections.

Now, they don't need to obfuscate the truth, because they were handed a bad situation and are running with it.  Make use of any disaster. Dipshit TEPCO.

So can you dispute their (Fascistpieceofshit) numbers? Perhaps.  But they'd have to be dumb as dogshit to fuck with the data given how bad reality is regarding the situation.

So they'll jump onto this, get people to believe in their crap, and then find a more willing heart for their complete neanderthal fascist backwards, kill everyone off, bullshit non-thinking ideology created by banksters FOR banksters.

This is why Japan should tell the truth, otherwise the charlatans can actually tell the truth for ONCE, about ONE ASPECT of the situation, and regain 'credibility' when really they shouldn't have any. (and wouldn't have the chance to have any, if Japan would do the right thing in the first place).  So they'll spout truer numbers, but then their explanation, or directions forward will be a load of crap.

Carbon Credits are wall street, monetary, fascist, bullshit.  Anti-nuclear power people are dumb shits, because they're new bankster army, or one of them.  There is no other way until fusion, NONE! 

We just have to take the $$$$ aspect out of the nuclear power plants.  Change the amitorization, fund it with federal dollars, as uttered CREDIT, not borrowed MONETARY dollars.  (if they find a problem or need to shut down the plant...THERE'S NO BANK LOAN you have to reconcile)

There's always enough money to do ANYTHING needed, as long as you are running a CREDIT system, not a monetary system.  (so in a sense, you COULD realistically say that the situations regarding these plants were monetary caused, and even fed caused).  Because in a credit system, any flaw, or location error, internal improvements, whatever can be done, and would be done, because money would NOT be THE issue.  Right NOW, they ARE.  There's the backside of monetarism biting at you. AGAIN!!!

We have to use 4th generation and beyond, and retire the 1st and 2nd generation.  Sad thing is, without the (basically the effect) shutting down of the industry DECADES ago, it's doubtful any of these would still be in service, as they'd have been replaced with newer, safer designs.

Nuclear power can't be controlled? Well gee, an old reactor with design flaws, right next to a subduction zone, got hit with a 9.0 earthquake, and a tsunami, with its pumps in the basement, with dipshits running the scene, and monetarism ruling the roost, in THE extreme case of cases, THE black swan nuclear event, happened. 

Appropriate measures have to be taken.  Monetarism MUST be ended.  Do the RIGHT thing, not the MONETARY thing, and nuclear power disasters will be much rarer.  Besides, we only need it for a few more decades.  But only dipshits would say this was a normal event.  That we should stop using nuclear power because of this weird ass event.  Whatever the cost, mankind is worth it to survive and get to fusion.  Without nuclear power, we'll never get there.  That's something Greenpeace, ignores in their fantasy utopia ideal that is really the recipe for a new dark age, which would be anything but utopia.

They are 'right' here (most likely) in the numbers, but what their commentary is about it afterwards, is complete dogshit.  Learn to separate it out.  If you don't, then you're still an easy mark for the banksters.

Yep the one thing TEPCO is surely doing, is making the fascists' job easier to innudate mankind with its fascist ideology into WANTING to destroy themselves.  How fucking sad it that? 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 20:16 | Link to Comment Reptil
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Carbon Credits a compromised system? Yes, no doubt.

Greenpeace a fascist organisation? I read a lot of words in your post, but no substance. Anyone with a highschool background can write a lot of words.

Carbon Credits is a EU/UN initiative. Now if those are fascists? That could very well be. I trust Van Rompuy as far as I can throw him. (couple meters tops)

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:43 | Link to Comment boooyaaaah
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THIS IS A SERIOUS PROPOSAL

 

I think we should drop a Nuclear Bomb of low magnitude on the site

That way all the radioactive juice that is seeping into the atmosphere will

be incinerated.

 

Sort of like cauterizing a wound.

 

Hiroshima a thriving city, now, can be used as an example

It may be a premature suggestion, but, hey, with that first shot of coffee on Monday morning--- anything seems possible.

 

The medical practice or technique of cauterization is the burning of part of a body to remove or close off a part of it in a process called cautery, which destroys some tissue,[1] in an attempt to mitigate damage, remove an undesired growth, or minimize other potential medical harmful possibilities such as infections, when antibiotics are not available. The practice was once widespread for treatment of wounds. Its utility before the advent of antibiotics was effective on several levels:

  • useful in stopping severe blood-loss,
  • to close amputations,
  • useful in preventing infections, including complications from septicaemia

 

 

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:48 | Link to Comment tallen
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You can't incinerate radioactive material. Burning something is simply when it reacts with oxygen, it's still in the same form, just with a few oxygens added. Radioactivity is where the atom splits into a more stable form by a certain decay, alpha, beta or gamma. Alpha=helium nuclei, beta=electron gamma= Electromagnetic radiation

THere is no way to get rid of them. Nuking it would add even more radioactivity.

They're in a dilemma, keep cooling it with the risk of heaps of radiation being emmited over a long time period or concrete it with the chance it explodes and releases a large amount over a short time period.

There is no easy solution.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:02 | Link to Comment FatFingered
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The Soviets threw lead on their reactor.  It slowed the process but, of course, who can say what unintended consequences were realized.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:30 | Link to Comment Bob Dobbs
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The soviets threw Pb onto a burning core, and produced Pb isotopes that were measured a few days later in Sweden.  This is a very different situation.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:26 | Link to Comment sushi
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But dropping 100 megatons would be very, very bullish.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:56 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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as long as we are at it, we could do that in the GOM too, because apparently its still leaking oil

 

 

sarc>off

 

i hope you arent serious booyah

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:04 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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can't we just raise sea level by about 40 feet?

or lower Japan...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:28 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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Boo --

The biggest problem with this sort of idea is that the weapon would cause large amounts of the nuclear fuel of the reactors to be blown into the stratosphere.  From there it would settle -- wherever the jet stream would take it.

The Hiroshima weapon contained something like 130 pounds of nuclear fuel.  The Fukushima reactors contain something like 2000 or 3000 tons.  If your weapon vaporized one third of that material and pumped it into the stratosphere, it would represent ... I think the term is "an extinction-level event."

 

Fed delenda est.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:34 | Link to Comment Stormdancer
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In the medical field cauterization doesn't usually involve a quarter stick of dynamite.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:36 | Link to Comment gilligan
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It amazes me that people this ignorant can operate a computer...or even breathe for that matter.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:15 | Link to Comment knukles
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or even operate nuclear reactors!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:37 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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If somebody comes and says "I'm ignorant, teach me!" the best thing to do is just -- to teach them.

Shame will only help to maintain ignorance.

 

Fed delenda est.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:35 | Link to Comment davepowers
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+ lots

well put mick

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:48 | Link to Comment writingsonthewall
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Serious...and stupid.

 

All that will achieve is blowing the spent fuel rods across the country and into the sea.

 

Now who's going to clear all that shit up? At least the Soviets had 'liquidators' - which were 'army volunteers' who were ordered to undertake some of the ridiculously dangerous tasks needed to be done in order to stem the tide.

 

Democratic countries have to rely on real volunteers - I don't think the rest of Japan will be as quick to die for Nuclear power as the Fukushima 50 have.

 

I'm feeling rather relieved that I live on the opposite side of the world - although the trade winds take away a lot of that comfort - I wouldn't want to be on the west coast of the US right now....

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:16 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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I wouldn't want to be on the west coast of the US

right now

I feel sick about that and the rest of the US. How bad is it? Can someone give me a definitive minimal projected level?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:49 | Link to Comment i-dog
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"That way all the radioactive juice that is seeping into the atmosphere will be incinerated."

You are a fucking moron!! With so few brain cells, how do you even manage to breathe?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:17 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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What it seems like, based upon the rising clamor on some blogs, is they already made up their minds about nuking the place. They are waiting for the "important" people like bankers and corporate head honchos to evacuate with their goods and allowing events like raised radiation levels to build consensus and others events (war in Iran etc) to escalate before publically  "deciding" to nuke it. They give a fukk about the people and radiation contamination except how it impacts their plans.

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:37 | Link to Comment sullymandias
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How about we just attach the whole nuclear plant, plus the surrounding 10km or so, to a space ship, and shoot it off towards the no-longer planet Pluto?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:45 | Link to Comment curbyourrisk
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EVERYTHING is bullish, so long as The Bernank is at the helm........

 

Full speed ahead......never mind that little jagged piece of ice sticking out of the water.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 13:35 | Link to Comment ilene
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:-) 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:23 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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Bill Cummings, Investivative Reporter: Connecticut Nuke Plant On Long Island Sound (19 nautical miles from East Hampton) Has No More Room For Spent Fuel Rods. Plant Operator, Saves Money, And "Stuffs Them". Engineers Say "Not Safe".

http://www.greenwichtime.com/local/article/The-spent-fuel-crisis-Region-...

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:25 | Link to Comment Bagbalm
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Tepco bragged they had 700 engineers working on it. That scared me. Given the Japanese love of consensus building the more people they put on it the less chance anything will get done.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:23 | Link to Comment deez nutz
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Never trust any data but the government's.  we already knew that though. 

BTFGM!!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:48 | Link to Comment The Limerick King
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This nuclear nightmare proceeds

Who knows where the fuck this will lead

While government lies

A great nation dies

The result of our hubris and greed.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:19 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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Let me fix a line for you:

The result of their hubris and greed

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:26 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Yes, trusting TEPCO is axiomatically atypical.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:50 | Link to Comment Arkadaba
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Yep, like trusting BP on the oil spill. 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:28 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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Boston Rainwater Contaminated.

“In Massachusetts, none of the cities and towns rely on rainwater as their primary source of water,’’ Auerbach (a government beauracrat) said. “That’s why we’re so comfortable in saying that the drinking-water supplies throughout the state are pretty safe.’’

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/03/28/state...

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:40 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Where does it come from then, outer space?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:46 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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Cold fusion. Outer space has lots of water.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:14 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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phew, lucky for Massachusetts then...

but then that would be all we need wouldn't it, to be hit by a fucking asteroid after all this...

At least we know in advance that it would be bullish...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:26 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Actually not lucky for anyone.  Massachusetts is on the other side of the globe.  This is now a global issue.  How long before this is a greater threat than terrorism?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:43 | Link to Comment FreeMoney Bernie
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Are you telling me that the Japanese are Muslims.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:28 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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Not even a Super Volcano, like Yellowstone, would derail equities with Ben at the wheel...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:34 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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It wouldn't matter would it, one big frozen asteroid and a bit of TEPCO spin...

Bullish...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:21 | Link to Comment knukles
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and the frozen asteroid could be thawed for new sparkling clear clean healthy water for the people of the Massachusetts Colony

sigh....
Oh, Ren....

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 11:14 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Alternatively we could just tow it to Japan so they don't glow in the dark...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:42 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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How can people say such rubbish. even if the state had bore water eventually the radoactivite would find its way down there - from the same rain that fills dams after it falls on Land and grass and roofs where the very same radioactivity has fallen. F@#k me, it doesn't require the brains of a smashed crab to understand that.

Do you pay these talking heads

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:49 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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What do you expect from an azz hat pol?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:26 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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"Radioiodine is a byproduct of nuclear energy production and has a half-life of eight days, Auerbach said. The half-life span means that only half of the level of radiation will be present in eight days, and so on until it dissipates. “That means it should be undetectable in a matter of weeks, assuming that there is no new source of radiation exposure,’’ he said"

Mr. Auerbach would like everyone to start counting down now.  Alas, until the plant is sealed, the countdown must be delayed, and radioiodine will continue to be 'consumed'.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:02 | Link to Comment espirit
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They don't want us to worry until it's plutonium found in our air, water, and food supply.

Viola! Major world De-Pop event.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:55 | Link to Comment Arkadaba
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Buy = Brita!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:23 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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May I go on record to say Auerbach is a fukking moron.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:27 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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Take TEPCOS number, add it to Greenpeace's, devide by two.  Problem solved, we now have the real numbers.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:29 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Nice to see Greenpeace get off their ass after sitting out the GOM.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:07 | Link to Comment nonclaim
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Tepco could just crash a tanker (with a BP logo) there... Greenpeace would suddenly declare all is well and go home.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:27 | Link to Comment eigenvalue
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It serves the Japanese right. They have been killing whales and destroying the natural environment to satisfy their selfish desire for years. 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:41 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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You can't possibly be that thick...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:21 | Link to Comment Sabibaby
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Clearly you don't understand that killing whales is bearish and Karma is a b!tch. Nuclear Meltdown however is extreamly bullish! 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 15:40 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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fair comment, silly old me...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:46 | Link to Comment FreeMoney Bernie
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perhaps they are expanding their killing machine

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:05 | Link to Comment Arkadaba
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I had to scroll back and look at that comment again. You do have sarcasm on?

Unless, you are a vegetarian and don't buy leather products - STFU. 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:31 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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My question: how a fukkwitted statement like that is made by a poster with a name eigenvalue?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:29 | Link to Comment fredquimby
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Yeah, and until someone independantly tests the rainfall we are currently having, I ain't gettin' wet....

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:35 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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You might not want to breathe either.

The rainwater will help bring the radioactivity to the ground. Through a plethora of mediums to include cars, wind, walking, etc, the radioactive particulate will be stirred back into the air where it will find itself in your lungs.

Sorry.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:28 | Link to Comment props2009
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The bravehearts of JAPAN emails to their family. all of them will die probably. 

http://dawnwires.com/politics/email-from-tepco-worker-the-real-bravehearts/

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:46 | Link to Comment Bubbles...bubbl...
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Suicidal kamikazes is a more apt term.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:54 | Link to Comment CD
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Yes, but the comments are telling (if authentic). Also posted on WSJ blogs:

http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2011/03/28/letters-from-fukushima-tepco-worker-emails/

Or perhaps chilling is the right word:

"Crying is useless. If we’re in hell now all we can do is to crawl up towards heaven.

From,

Fukushima worker

 

[...]

Although I am not in a position to say such a thing, I beg you to hang in there.

What I can do for you is limited. But when the time comes, we will take our turn to protect you all. Without fail.

From,

Tokyo worker

[...]

 

The company may get rid of nuclear power to save the company, but we will fight until the end. I beg you to give us continuous support from the headquarters.

From,

 

 

Fukushima worker"

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:37 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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"Crying is useless. If we’re in hell now all we

can do is to crawl up towards heaven."

What a lovely soul.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:28 | Link to Comment drchris
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Did Charlie Sheen do anything crazy today?  This Japan stuff is getting old.  /sarc off

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:32 | Link to Comment Roger Knights
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Hire Homer--he'd've  hollered "Help!" on Day 1.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:54 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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"TEPCO officials said the underground tunnels did not flow into the sea but the possibility of radioactive water seeping into the ground could not be ruled out."

Bullshit - along every tunnel is a channel both sides - those channels normally collect seepage and rainwater that flows into the tunnels from conduits entering and stair wells. These channels run to drop- drains that eventually run via pipework which picks up the surface grate drains, as well, into the sea. It is standard design practice in all powerstations. They don't pump it up a hill, they gravity flow it to a storage/ settlement dam - in this case the Pacific ocean was very handy at the design stage. And even if this design has a sump pump well it is well and truly stuffed without a powersupply (and thats why is is flooded and dangerous to human health)

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:55 | Link to Comment writingsonthewall
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Never mind that - last week they were dropping water from a HELICOPTER - god knows where all that went - it's about as directed and bernanke's helicopter drop of dollars.

The fishing will be over in Japan for the foreseeable future, well for our lifetimes anwyay.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:33 | Link to Comment SlipStitchPass
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It seems almost a given that Tokyos water supply will be destroyed before this is all over. This is a rolling disaster that is gaining momentum.

Send in the French...they seem to be taking the lead on an lot of things these days. Go France.......we're all gonna die
Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:33 | Link to Comment Dan The Man
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god made weed, man made booze...whom do you trust?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:38 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Well if your moniker is trav7777 I would say neither as there is a high chance that god hates him.

(Can't trust entities that hate you, metaphysical or not)

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:45 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Booze, any day..

Weed fucks your lungs up...

or so I'm reliably informed...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:28 | Link to Comment Bob
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The jury has reconvened, it seems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F3mTf1z3Yo

There is a growing community of people who swear it has literally cured skin cancer in days.  Apparently the incidence of lung cancer for tokers is not elevated . . . and it may even mitigate the impact of concurrent cigarette smoking. 

Big Pharma is not pleased.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:46 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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'god' made booze as well... If not, explain why many species of birds eat fermented berries and become so intoxicated that they fall out of trees and cannot fly. One instance of many that shows man learned from watching other species... birds were around long before humans.

That said... Weed > Booze

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:07 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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are you saying that I have evolved to follow a pissed up sparrow?...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:23 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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I am simply an observer... look at the larger penguins like the King and Emporer... Did you notice that the suit of clothes we call a tuxedo looks very similar to the penguins attire?

Human dances resemble bird courting rituals...

Perhaps we have evolved plucking bits of nature from here and there...using some, disregarding some.

BTW, I haven't noticed birds building nuke plants.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:37 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Yeah, that's because they're all too busy getting pissed...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:34 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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The horses have rushed out of the barn!

Let's gather a consensus opinion on closing the barn door.

If barn door open/close option is backed by a large enough consensus, in future we can spread the blame to a wide group, diluting or derailing blame to ourselves.

Warning to 'nuclear experts' offering advice to Japan at this late date... you could be stepping into an open elevator shaft.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:24 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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hi Snidely W!  tyler mentionz 2 french firms, Electricite de France SA and Areva SA. Areva is the source of the mox fuel in #3.  i posted and roasted about it long ago, but here is my source for the Areva Connection: MOX fuel rods used in Japanese Nuclear Reactor present multiple dangers 

it is but one page, but it takes a while b/c the info is new, dense, and, actually, makes no fuking sense, whatsoever, if one thinks about it.  this stuff is so hot that it seems the "homeland security" types think it is good, b/c no terrorist in his right mind would go near it after it is spent!  that's the kinda shit on this page.  and i sure didn't write it.

here is another page detailing the 13-year history of mox in japan, and the court cases of concerned citizens who realized that Tepco is such a lying pack of scumbags that they actually stopped the use of mox in fuku #3:Interesting information about the MOX plutonium fuel used in Fukushima 3, page 1

On 9 August 2000, over 850 plaintiffs from across the country, including 138 from Fukushima Prefecture, took Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) to the Fukushima District Court asking for a suspension of the use of MOX fuel at Fukushima I. The first hearing was held on the next day, when the plaintiffs explained their case to the court. Their main argument is that there is a strong possibility of falsification of the quality-control data for the 32 MOX fuel assemblies already on site at Fukushima I-3.  END PASTE

over a decade ago!  more recently:  Over 10 years had passed since this fuel was fabricated. It was fabricated between 1997 and 1998 and arrived at the nuclear power station in 1999, but it was never loaded. Falsification of fuel quality control data for MOX fuel for Kansai Electric Power Company's Takahama-3&4 nuclear power plants was discovered and troubles and cover-ups were discovered at TEPCO nuclear power plants. In response, the prefectural government revoked its agreement with TEPCO. On January 20 2010, TEPCO applied again for permission to use MOX fuel and on August 6 the governor gave his consent.  END PASTE, same souce as prev. paste.

2 weeks after this date, they started loading the mox fuel into #3, and 0n Sept. 17, 2010, less than 6 months before the "disaster" these fuking shitheads fired the puppy up! 

now, all spent uranium nuclear fuel contains plutonium. Plutonium Production - Nuclear Weapons

Reactor-grade plutonium is produced in the core of a reactor when uranium-238 is irradiated with neutrons. Unlike weapon grade plutonium (which is relatively pure plutonium-239), reactor grade plutonium is a mixture of plutonium-238, 239, 240, 241 and 242. It is this mixture of isotopes which renders reactor grade plutonium less unsuitable as a weapon-grade material. END PASTE

from: Plutonium in troubled reactors, spent fuel pools

U 238 and Pu 238 are kinda related. this site goes on to explain that there are 5 kinds pf Pu produced in a URANIUM reactor, 53% of which is Pu 239 with that fabulous 1/2 life of exactly 24,360 years.  all the nuclear waste at fukushima contains this "blessing" and there are 2400 TONS of waste fuel at the site.  in the cores, another 877 tons, not totally spent, and with the Areva product in #3.  i remember when tyler put up the "explosion of #3"  way back when, one of the posters wrote:  did you see that shock wave?  so, i would opine that the "plan" is for Areva to send over some "mox docs" and for the Electricite de France to send over spent fuel and nuclear coffeepot experts.  apparently GE is not gonna be involved.  japan most probably spent some significant time and energy trying to see of GE could or would do anything.  GE, with its world-class accountant and lawyers, prob took their legal dept's advice, after who knows how long, and just said no.  fuk NO!

now, i will say this last theme is 100% conjecture, but what would you say about the probabilities involved, here, SW?  so, now, is this more smokescreen bullshit, or are these french "experts" gonna tell japan what their REAL options appear to be.  the stuff that the Tepco & Hitachi (Japanese nuclear technology and know-how) employees tried didn't work, last week.  they may have also simply gone in to try to evaluate the situ for GE, too, and try a few things while there.  the timing, given lawyers, seems about right.  but Tepco & Hitachi prob "learned" a few things about the site while trying to hook up the "extension chord", as tyler put it, one day.  now, the fact that GE wouldn't touch it does not mean it is untouchable.  yet i do "think"  that they wanted GE, first, given the pattern here.

you may well be right about the consensus play, especially if the french say ohh, lala! no way! i can see where this whole site is "hopeless" no matter what.  but i can also see that give a finite, though huge amount of radioactive products, it is not, theoretically, impossible to get the site ready for "entombment" if a plan can be designed and implemented. it won't be pretty, but it can be done, perhaps. 

maybe the japanese have already decided they might try something along these lines, but i do not think they are "up to speed" on the mox, like Areva, and on handling spent fuel and getting it so they can bury the place.  the japanese have never really "handled" it much.  they took it from the core, and placed it in the cooling tower areas next to the cores, and there are also spent rods onsite which have been removed from the reactors, already.  where and how safe they are, now, i have no idea.

if this is bullshit, like you say, i'm sorry for wasting folks' time with irrelevant "analysis".  if it isn't, at least yet, i think some of these ideas and interpretations of truly bizzare behavior may apply.  if GE told them Fuk_u_! last Thursday or friday, they have now, possibly, already contracted w/ the french who are more "up to speed and experienced in these two areas.  what their motives are, i can't say, and i sure don't know what will happen if/when the french arrive, but nothing has seemed this rational and real in 2.5 weeks, for me.

maybe the french are there to affirm that it will take an enormous toll of japanese life, but it can be done. here's what japan will likely be like if you do it, and here's what japan will be like if you don't.  you tell us what you want to do, and we'll see if we can help figure out some "shortcuts" that are safe, for a change, if that would help, if you want to try to entomb the site.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 12:04 | Link to Comment DollarMenu
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Thanks slewie, excellent reporting.

I don't know where the 'junk' came from,

someone intimidated by text beyond 140 chars?

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:36 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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reporting the obvious.

japanese officials admit partial meltdown

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/28/japan-nuclear-plant-partial-...

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:48 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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from my limited understanding of nuclear technology I'd say it means that a partial meltdown occurs when the sticky bits that stick in the up bit are all that's left because the other bits have all melted off.

Ergo it's not total.

No need to worry, bullish...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:55 | Link to Comment onarga74
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The actual headline should have been "experts say partial meltdown of Japanese officials much higher than previous estimates."

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:54 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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Note to self: If evacuating due to nuclear accident, take everything of personal value based upon never returning.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:40 | Link to Comment Josephine29
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The idea that they feel that they can criticise someone else is simply breathtaking....

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:40 | Link to Comment Papaneuf
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Should be very bullish for the construction business and the mortuary industry.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:50 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Yes, I too will be buying Japanese home builders in about 40 million years...

Don't want to miss that bull run...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:00 | Link to Comment writingsonthewall
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I'm buying Tokyo real estate "with both hands" - for some reason it's cheap as chips right now.

It's a long, long, long, long, long term investment - for my 16th generation who will be 'owners' of new Tokyo.

 

Here's my promotional video.

http://vimeo.com/5651261

 

Come and stay in 4056 - there will be PLENTY of room, leave the hustle and bustle of work behind and stay at new Tokyo's best.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 11:19 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Yes, and watch the northern lights....which aren't in the north anymore...

because they'e just over your right shoulder. literally...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:59 | Link to Comment Milestones
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As long as f---ing is more popular than dying the mortuaries will always do well.   Milestones

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:43 | Link to Comment Highrev
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. . . it is now glaringly obvious that the strategy here is to stupefy and obfuscate for as long as possible, while it becomes even more obvious that there is absolutely no strategy on how to deal with the biggest nuclear catastrophe since Chernobyl.

And there really isn't much else to say.

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:51 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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Except the disclaimer right at the end is required. "It is unknown at this time if this accident will be of lesser or greater catastrophe when compared with other reported accidents - people should take care and concider all options before panicking" 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:50 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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What do you mean, since?

This is becoming more spectacular by the day...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:46 | Link to Comment nah
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green peace out there trying to scare everybody dying

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:46 | Link to Comment A Man without Q...
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As I understand it, these outside experts have been partially involved from the beginning, but this has been kept quiet to save face.  The reports are the foreign specialists have been increasingly frustrated with TEPCO management, who seem to do nothing but slow things down and spread confusion, which is the way they have done things for years.  Hopefully the government can cut through the cultural bullshit and get the TEPCO senior staff to step aside and stop filtering information.

There was a video clip linked on another thread and when you look at the damage and consider what is involved, it might well be easier to send a man to the moon.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:54 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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"Hopefully the government can cut through the cultural bullshit and get the TEPCO senior staff to step aside and stop filtering information."

Good luck with that one! The Japanese Gov has been propping up failed banks for over 20 years... didn't want to 'lose face' for the thieving azzhat bankers, ya know.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:54 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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I should think that if you stand him on a lead plate on the roof of number 3, when this thing blows that's precisely where he might end up...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:18 | Link to Comment A Man without Q...
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As far as I can tell, most of the roof of number 3 is somewhere in the Pacific Ocean.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:55 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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No 2 then?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:46 | Link to Comment Bubbles...bubbl...
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They asked the french for help, what else can be said? They will be lucky if they don't get their asses invaded. No army will probaby want to step foot in that radioactive wasteland.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:35 | Link to Comment sushi
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The French deal every day with cheeze that is way worse than anything coming out of Fukashima.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:34 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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Totally new concept in defense?

Bearish for Japanese defense contractors?

Finally, something to short with a slim degree of confidence?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:48 | Link to Comment onarga74
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Whatever happened to the Bloomberg chief engineer who admitted burying a mistake, telling the government and Hitachi, and subsequently received a gold watch and a kind thank you?  Obviously, that wasn't important.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-23/fukushima-engineer-says-he-cove...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:11 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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one would hope that somebody shot him...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:48 | Link to Comment Roger Knights
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Important article: LA Times via Seattle Times:

"Japan copes with 21st-century dark age"

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2014616863_quakenergy2...

"Trash is piling up in many northern cities because garbage trucks don't have gasoline. Public buildings go unheated. Factories are closed, in large part because of rolling blackouts and because employees can't drive to work with empty tanks.

"This is what happens when a 21st-century, technologically sophisticated country runs critically low on energy. The March 11 earthquake and tsunami have thrust much of Japan into an unaccustomed dark age that could drag on for up to a year.

"Tokyo's Asahi Shimbun newspaper on Tuesday quoted an unnamed senior official of Tokyo Electric, which serves 28 million customers, as saying rolling blackouts could last a year.

"Electricity is the talk of the town. Newspaper readers pore over detailed schedules of rolling blackouts. Many movie theaters are closed, companies have switched off unnecessary lights and advertising, restricted use of elevators and shortened working hours.

"For now, gasoline shortages are disrupting both daily life and relief efforts.

"Besides the damage to the nuclear reactors, two thermal power plants were knocked out by the earthquake. And the energy grid in Japan is split in two, a peculiarity that means the energy-starved north cannot borrow from the south."

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:19 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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I would like to hear an informed opinion from Cramer before deciding to Laugh or Cry when someone else says "thankfully the Economic toll is not as bad as the human toll".

Something they have not reported is that every Nuc plant in Japan has to be shut down for full Damage inspections after the earthquake as part of the safety plan/Operating manual. Not all at once, but they must be inspected. Blackouts will last years

Schrödinger's cat  just cannot have it three ways

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:40 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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"And the energy grid in Japan is split in two, a peculiarity that means the energy-starved north cannot borrow from the south.""

There's some good risk management.

/sarc

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 07:55 | Link to Comment ivars
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6.5 ( later 6.1) earthquake could be the third of foreshocks to a larger Aftershock ( >M7) somewhere nearby, soon (few weeks) :

 

http://www.saposjoint.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=2657&start=180#p31416

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:09 | Link to Comment Wakanda
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Go long radioactive pots and kettles!

They heat food automatically!

Saves time and energy!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:13 | Link to Comment chinaman
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I dont know whether this is karma. I am from Malaysia and mom use to tell me stories about the japs torturing the people and chopping off heads of suspected communist and members of the anti japanese movement. What they do is basically ask you to drink as much as your tummy can fill then they will just jump on top of you. After that they will ask you to drink more and they will repeat it again. 

Mom also use to tell me how they chop off the head of those who are caught spying and collude with the communist. She told me she had witness quite a few of these executions where they do it in some school compounds. 

Another incident is where a Japanese officer is killed in one of the many chinese villages. After searching through the whole village and could not find those that are responsible they finally razed the fucking village down.

So you see other than the 'rape of Nanking' everybody forget about the 'rape of South east asia'

So i dont know this is karma or not and its a pity because the revenge falls on the innocent japanese whereas those that are responsible for the carnage have long gone.

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:25 | Link to Comment moneymutt
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I know there are degrees, but many countries have done very bad things...some that have been victims of horrible torture and genocide have turned around and done it to others. I'd rather focus on the many decent people in every country who do not deserve a disaster and need help from others than the sins of a countries regime/past.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:46 | Link to Comment Mr. Mandelbrot
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"Rape of Nanking" was as about as evil as anything I've ever heard.  You reap what you sow . . .

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:13 | Link to Comment DoctoRx
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 "inlfux of new cooks"

Promiscuous chefs?

Time for spellcheck, Tylers . . .

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:14 | Link to Comment Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Japan's debt-to-GDP is hovering around 220%.

Japan is finished. Hit the fucking reset button already.

Fact is many Tokyo area residents are heavily invested in the aforementioned GDP figure.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:19 | Link to Comment 1inchRacker
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TEPCO boss: "Release statement saying levels are 10 million times the norm"

Japanese President: "Why? You crazy?"

TEPCO boss: "Next day, say big mistake by technician. Levels only 100 thousand higher."

Japanese President: "Good plan. I like."

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:28 | Link to Comment downrodeo
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They need to evacuate, now. This is going to be [or already is] another BP event. We seem to be headed into a situation where we will suffer death by a thousand cuts.

 

 

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:32 | Link to Comment chinaman
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yeap send in the frenchies, they will screw fukushima like they are going to screw Gadaffi. God help the Japanese.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:40 | Link to Comment chinaman
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fuck ! i thought the French are the ones that proposed to put in the MOX fuel into No.3 . Oh shit ! God knows what the french are up to next

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 08:47 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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The difficulties could all be a simple matter of culture and semantics.  Do the Japanese have a word for "triage"?

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:10 | Link to Comment Stormdancer
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It's very difficult to admit that dumping all that very radioactive water directly into the sea just may be the best answer available right now.

Triage takes a steely emotional neutrality and a cold-eyed assessment of reality. I've seen no evidence of either from any visible decision makers so far...

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:32 | Link to Comment TaxSlave
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They can't bottle it.  It will end up in the sea.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:01 | Link to Comment CosmoJoe
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It should be clearly obvious by now, even to the hopelessly corrupt MSM, that this situation at Daiichi has been deteriorating from the onset, not getting any better.  Consider the timeline of news; while it has been peppered with reports of "hopeful" updates such as restoring of power, etc - the actual facts have been an increasing level of radiation at the plant and surrounding areas.  The fact that 2 workers received radiation *burns* from stepping in highly radioactive water, alone, brings a new dimension to this crisis which is how they intend on disposing of or containing all of this extremely dangerous material.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 10:22 | Link to Comment downrodeo
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It is almost laughable

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 09:19 | Link to Comment gall batter
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Japan is a wasteland.  Mass exodus of the people.  To where?  The suffering is beyond imaginable.  The tsunami was nature.  Fukushima realtors, the folly of man/greed and incompetence.  Barry O supports nuclear power because nuclear power supported him.  We should look to Germany: http://www.grist.org/article/2011-03-22-germanys-solar-panels-produce-mo...

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