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TEPCO Knew Radiation In Seawater Is 7.5 Million Above Normal Before It Started Dumping Radioactivity In Sea On Monday

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This time nobody will be blamed for not carrying the decimal comma. While a few weeks back TEPCO scrambled to lie to the public that a reading 10 million times higher than normal was really just 100,000 times above threshold, today TEPCO, whose stock hit an all time low in overnight trading, finally admitted the truth that radioactive Iodine 131 readings taken from seawater near the water intake of the Fukushima No. 1
nuclear plant's No. 2 reactor reached 7.5 million times the legal limit. This means Godzilla is most likely very close to hatching. But it gets worse: "The sample that yielded the high reading was taken Saturday, before
Tepco announced Monday it would start releasing radioactive water into
the sea,
and experts fear the contamination may spread well beyond
Japan's shores to affect seafood overseas
." In other words, as TEPCO was dumping 11,500 tons of radioactive water in the sea, it already knew, but kept away from the public, the radiation was nearly ten million times higher than legal limits. At this point we truly marvel at the stoic ability of Japanese people, and most certainly its east-coast fishermen, whose jobs are finished as nobody will want to buy any fish in the foreseeable future for fear of radioactive toxicity, to accept such lies, very often with an intent to hurt, day after day, without anger spilling over in some form of violence.

More from Japan Times on this disgusting precedent set by a country which once was believed to care about its people and the environment:

The unstoppable radioactive discharge into the Pacific has prompted experts to sound the alarm, as cesium, which has a much longer half-life than iodine, is expected to concentrate in the upper food chain.

According to Tepco, some 300,000 becquerels per sq. centimeter of radioactive iodine-131 was detected Saturday, while the amount of cesium-134 was 2 million times the maximum amount permitted and cesium-137 was 1.3 million times the amount allowable.

The amount of iodine-131 dropped to 79,000 becquerels per sq. centimeter Sunday but shot up again Monday to 200,000 becquerels, 5 million times the permissible amount.

The level of radioactive iodine in the polluted water inside reactor 2's cracked storage pit had an even higher concentration. A water sample Saturday had 5.2 million becquerels of iodine per sq. centimeter, or 130 million times the maximum amount allowable, and water leaking from the crack had a reading of 5.4 million becquerels, Tepco said.

"It is a considerably high amount," said Hidehiko Nishiyama, spokesman for the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.

Masayoshi Yamamoto, a professor of radiology at Kanazawa University, said the high level of cesium is the more worrisome find.

"By the time radioactive iodine is taken in by plankton, which is eaten by smaller fish and then by bigger fish, it will be diluted by the sea and the amount will decrease because of its eight-day half-life," Yamamoto said. "But cesium is a bigger problem."

The half-life of cesium-137 is 30 years, while that for cesium-134 is two years. The longer half-life means it will probably concentrate in the upper food chain.

Yamamoto said such radioactive materials are likely to be detected in fish and other marine products in Japan and other nations in the short and long run, posing a serious threat to the seafood industry in other nations as well.

"All of Japan's sea products will probably be labeled unsafe and other nations will blame Japan if radiation is detected in their marine products," Yamamoto said.

Tepco on Monday began the release into the sea of 11,500 tons of low-level radioactive water to make room to store high-level radiation-polluted water in the No. 2 turbine building. The discharge continued Tuesday.

Alas, initial fisherman jobless claims are about to join true radioactivity levels in surging above legal thresholds:

On Monday, 4,080 becquerels per kilogram of radioactive iodine was
detected in lance fish caught off Ibaraki Prefecture. Fishermen
voluntarily suspended its shipment. The health ministry plans to compile
radiation criteria for banning marine products.

And the bottom line is that after almost a month, Japan is nowhere near closer to fixing this whole goddamned mess:

Tepco initially believed the leak was somewhere in the cable trench that
connects the No. 2 turbine building and the pit. But after using milky
white bath salt to trace the flow, which appeared to prove that was not
the case, the utility began to think it may be seeping through a layer
of small stones below the cable trench.

When all is said and done, the lies are removed, and the truth is finally revealed, this will end up being far, far worse than Chernobyl.

The chart below from the NYT shows what is currently known about the intentional water release and unintentional leak from Fukushima:


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Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:41 | 1136015's picture

Not to worry...the solution to polution is dilution.....or some shit like that.... 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:44 | 1136029 oh_bama
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Stop buying anything made in Japan. Those people are really not responsible.. The environment is demaged for good. Sigh..

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:49 | 1136032 Cash_is_Trash
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Gojira, gojira for sure now!

This is not good.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:48 | 1136438 Popo
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I must be mssing something.  Help me out here:  According to the above article, TEPCO knew that it needed to vent the excess water from the reactors -- so they decided to empty that water into ....(wait for it)...  THE SEA???

Does it strike anyone as particularly odd that a country with an international reputation for logistical and engineering mastery could not find another, more secure receptacle for said radioactive water?   Even if the solution was to empty the water into 1000 individual tanks, and submerge those tanks to the bottom of the sea -- that would be preferable to an uncontrolled release into open water.




If this disaster had happened in China, the government would have executed management by now.   Fortunately, this being Japan -- we can rest assured that management will do the right thing, fall on their swords and commit harikari.




Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:59 | 1137188 oogs66
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C'mon, who hasnt take a piss in the ocean?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 20:10 | 1139205 euclidean
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Cute Popo-san, yet sobokuna. Hari kari gone way of samurai. Since money print, TEPCO-CEO-san get big promotion, one day work as Minister for Economics once get better.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:48 | 1136036 euclidean
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Tried calling WB7 today. His answering machine has been changed to "How's them radioactive apples now?!?!"

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:04 | 1136064 Herman Strandsc...
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Its not the ordinary japanese folk who are to blame so there's no point telling them to shove their japanese goods up where the rising sun don't shine. No, boycott politicians and the companies directly involved. Insist there is the death penalty and torture for company people responsible for such cock-ups and destruction to our world.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:13 | 1136084 youngman
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They might want to start thinking about dropping all their imports taxes and embargos on our food meat...they say its tainted with growth hormones....hows about a little radiation for ya......that Kobe beef ain´t no

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:50 | 1136435 TruthInSunshine
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Using my 'never has failed so far' multiplier of taking what TEPCO says, revisions included, the radiation in the seawater near Daiichi is now 750 million times above normal.

I hope this doesn't hurt the fish, make it's way into evaporized sea water (thus forming rain), get into the ground water and ultimately, tap water, soak crops, animals and people, or do anything unpleasant.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:10 | 1136284 Broder_Tuck
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Actually, the death penalty maybe would have a effect on corporate crime, in contrast to crime amongst the socioeconomic substrata that lives in misery and have nothing (including their hopeless lives) to loose. If so, I'm tempted to say "I'm all for it". But then again a modern Gulag would be much much better, a up-to-date version where former bankers, fundmanagers and TEPCO-managers could be put to work in labour-intensive infrastructureprojects. That way their bodies could still be of use to the society in labour-camps or optional medical experiments, the death penalty would just be a stupid waste of otherwise usefull biomass. That's all they are and can aspire to be by the way. Biomass - at best usefull to sociey. And further more it would just be rational economically speaking,  a fact they can enjoy and meditate about while the blisters in their hands hurt.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:40 | 1137054 Bananamerican
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oh, + this.


Last day we'll ever know

Babylon alseep

Father God the Hammer

Drive the nails in deep

Sliding from the edge of history these men are gray...


Drive them all away

Oh God

Drive them all away

On the last day we'll ever know...

Drive them all away


Wed, 04/06/2011 - 03:14 | 1137555 Broder_Tuck
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Oh they will be driven away alright. When the monetary system collapses the justice will be swift and ruthless. Under the transition phase a kind of natural law of power in numbers will take effect. Starving mobs will ransack the Hamptons and its residents will be beaten to death in the streets. Forget marshall law, like Ruppert is saying - it's to expensive. Think L.A.-riots squared. There are certain areas where the remaining police will not go. On the other hand there are also certain adresses that the lynchmobs will start to visit. With the intention of punishing someone, anybody that has perfect skin, soft hands and reeks of unethically aquired capital. Homes will be set on fire and the slow moving targets will be hanged in the nearest lamp-post. The only hope for the stigmatized former elites will be to head for the woods. Most will die in one weak from starvation and the brutal conditions of the wild. Some will be eaten by bears or go mad with fear and try to kill themselves. But dying by ones own hand will be hard without bullets, drugs or rope. They will roam the wilderness, robbed of their dignity and humanity. Karma is a bitch indeed. No one will give them shelter or offer forgiveness for ruining the entire world. The remaining of them will in good time be tracked down and destroyed like deceased animals. Like a hideous plague of the land as Dr Thompson once put it. All the while, the hydrogen in the reactors all over the north american continent starts popping like popcorn, and the mass-migrations will commence. See you guys on The Road.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:20 | 1136108 Hammer Time
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Stop buying anything made by General Electric. Those people are really not responsible.. The environment is demaged for good. Sigh..

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 13:32 | 1137732 RichardP
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The environment is demaged for good.

How is this G.E.'s fault?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:01 | 1136058 Sudden Debt
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Yes, nothing really serious. Like at it like banks diluting their stocks in 2010 by billions and billions and billions, and still there where plenty of morons buying them.


Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:28 | 1136142 Careless Whisper
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Well there's morons everywhere. Like the moron who wrote this op-ed piece in a Westchecter County, NY newspaper, about Indian POint Nuclear Plant (about 50 miles north of Manhattan). He is not a nuclear expert, rather the president of a local business group.  He says Indian Point's safety record "is without incident for 30 years". A outright lie! Also, it is "designed to withstand a 7.0-magnitude earthquake". Another total lie.

Indian Point is not Fukushima|newswell|text|Frontpage|s


Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:12 | 1136311 breezer1
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edgar cayce says that new york will be hit by a sunami and will never recover.

also , what will readings be in 6 months ?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:40 | 1136179 AnAnonymous
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Not to worry...the solution to polution is dilution.....or some shit like that.... 


But of course it is. Any lasting radioactive pollution they get out of this event is good to them. It will raise the norm of natural radioactivity that one can observe in a natural environment.

More and more radioactive incidents will rise the norm making each incident less threatening once compared to natural radioactivity. It takes time but with effort and dedication, things get done.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:18 | 1136326 IQ 145
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 Iodine=five days; expert vis a vis foreign fish=paid propagandist or fool.  value of post=laughable ignorance.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:19 | 1136374 Byte Me
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131I T= 8.1 days

133Xe T= 5.3 days

Clearly your IQ is too high to understand these half-life values, yet you keep posting this fallacious drivel.

(I didn't junk you.) You probably did that yourself..

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:30 | 1136386 tmosley
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Hey stupid.  Iodine isn't the issue here.  Cesium is.  Pay attention, douchebag.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:45 | 1136442 Arch Duke Ferdinand
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""Hey stupid.  Iodine isn't the issue here.  Cesium is.""

The Amount of Radioactive Fuel at Fukushima DWARFS Chernobyl ...

Zeolites, Iodine info....

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:14 | 1136783 Triggernometry
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Indeed Iodine seems the least of the troubles when considering Cesium and Strontium, but why has any mention of Plutonium suddenly vanished? Pu radioisotopes can have half-lives up to 24,500 years. If they are worried that 30 year half-life isotopes concentrate in the upper food chain, where is the concern for where longer lasting radioactive particles end up?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:10 | 1136851 BigJim
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I junked you. How many times do you need to be told that the half-life of Iodine-131 is 8 days?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:20 | 1136911 BigJim
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Tue, 04/05/2011 - 12:43 | 1137486 krispkritter
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Hey Captain IQ, why not put on your silver unitard and jet off to Fukushima for a nice swim in their lagoon? While you're at it, try the local fish, have some spinach salad, and wash it down with some nice local water. When your day-glo ass attempts to gain re-entry into the US and you get flagged as radioactive then try to explain that it will all go away in 5 days and 'no worries!'. I'm sure the couple of burly TSA types that give you a nice rubdown ala Silkwood with steel wool and grill sponges will take heed and be gentle. On your way back to confinement/quarantine please request a guard slam your head repeatedly between door and jamb in order to knock some sense into your pathetically dumb ass. Fishing for junks is apparently the only thing you're able to accomplish in this life but you might be able to create some hilarity on this end by filming your adventures...oh, and please hang your junk in a working microwave just to make sure you can't breed...Thanks in advance.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 16:19 | 1138428 naughtius maximus
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Best slam post ever!

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 05:03 | 1140003 longorshort
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Ban this moron.  This beyond stupid.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:42 | 1136416 Don Birnam
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"...a country which once was believed to care about its people and the environment..."

Care about the environment indeed -- the environment for business in the specialty meat trade: World bans notwithstanding, Japan remains perhaps the most active whaling nation in the Pacific.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:13 | 1136573 InconvenientCou...
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"Not to worry...the solution to polution is dilution.....or some shit like that...."


Ironically, the reverse is true in food chains. Pollution accumulates at the top. The decision to eat tuna will be a tad more serious than in the "good old days".

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:42 | 1136018 bob_dabolina
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I've already given up on all seafood and the only aquatic organisms I will eat are bonafide farm raised.

With all the corexit, oil, radiation and everything else is it really worth it?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:48 | 1136033 AN0NYM0US
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have you considered giving up eating?

Dangers of Aquafarmed Fish Do you know where your salmon really came from?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:54 | 1136044 bob_dabolina
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I don't really care about sick fish...that's why we cook them.

I'd also prefer the antibotics over the radioactive nucliotides and corexit.

lol...justa' preference I suppose.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:32 | 1136392 tmosley
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Aquaculture is an easy, highly productive solution to that.  I'm planning on setting up such a system over the next couple of years, pending other priorities.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:42 | 1136020 mogul rider
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Jesus Christ - NATO bomb the TEPCO head office for christ sakes

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:14 | 1136322 breezer1
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bomb GE too. and Goldman Squid. and the Fed. and....

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:42 | 1136021 Drag Racer
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the fish are already glowing...

funny thing how I got junked for saying they were dumping water into the sea a few days ago...

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:17 | 1136091 Global Hunter
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the top story in the top stories link attached to the fish article on NHK says "leak at Fukushima appears to be lessening".

Are people in the press brain dead?  When did they become cheerleaders for this nonsense?  Complicate fools who should be held accountable. 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:43 | 1136023 GetZeeGold
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Geez......and that's about all I got to say about that.




Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:43 | 1136025 mogul rider
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We bought 120 cans of tuna a month ago for the impending inflationary spiral. Little did we realize what would happen a week after we did.


Prescient? Hell no damn lucky

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:48 | 1136034 MarkD
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MR.....My wife did the same. We call it our pre-tsunami tuna.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:51 | 1136040 AN0NYM0US
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some call it cat food

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:58 | 1136056 Golden monkey
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Sure, but cat food is better than no food...

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 16:34 | 1138466 gall batter
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I just bought 25 cans of wild salmon.  Feel like a survivalist.  

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:47 | 1136030 jkruffin
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Anyone seen or heard any news out of the Philippines regarding radiation? I've got family over there, and they seem to take the American style point of view when it comes to news, and that means lie to cover the lie, or just don't say anything.  They have to be feeling this in some fashion wouldn't you think?  I can't find dink anywhere on the net that has updated info.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:50 | 1136042 magpie
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German news had a short story about a supposed panic in Manila over an incoming radioactive cloud - seems to have been some textmessage induced scare.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:47 | 1136031 magpie
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Long imported surimi.

Maybe freshwater fish raised in lead tanks from now on.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:18 | 1136595 usefuloutput
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As long as the lead doesn't enter the fish raised in the tank.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:51 | 1136038 bob_dabolina
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This half-life talk of the isotopes is underplayed.

It will take 80-100 days for Iodine 131/133 to break down completely and 400 years for Caesium134.  


Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:44 | 1136193 TaxSlave
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Also: you don't start counting time until after the releases STOP.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:59 | 1136248 MSimon
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Actually you count from the time production stops. Which is fine fore the SFPs and reactors #2 & #3. But #1 may still be producing from time to time.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:49 | 1136041 ILikeBoats
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Am going to Costco today and buying lots of their high-quality tinned salmon.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:06 | 1136273 goldfish1
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Good idea.Thanks.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:54 | 1136043 MarkD
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Lets hope this contaminated water doesn't make it's way to the pristine gulf.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:15 | 1136085 Ricky Bobby
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Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:14 | 1136086 Ricky Bobby
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Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:52 | 1136045 Lord Welligton
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"Yamamoto said such radioactive materials are likely to be detected in fish and other marine products in Japan and other nations in the short and long run, posing a serious threat to the seafood industry in other nations as well."

Maybe some of the "optimists" can tell us how this is "not bad" news.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:09 | 1136285 goldfish1
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I always considered myself an optimist. I got nuttin'.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 12:45 | 1137506 krispkritter
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Coming from you that sounds fishy...

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:46 | 1136450 Homey Da Clown
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But Karl Denninger called me a moron because I said this would impact the US. He knows everything.

I am soooooooooo pissed off right now. These f'ers in Japan have ruined a vast majority of the planet for the forseeable future.


Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:24 | 1136934 BigJim
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Don't worry, a lot of the shareholders in GE and TEPCO are Americans too.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 13:31 | 1137723 downrodeo
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La puissance de la mort, or an invitation to a Shunning.....



Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:55 | 1136050 3ringmike
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Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:16 | 1136087 Ruffcut
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Does anyone have the details on currents from the plant?

I quit eating shrimp, and looking at the alaska king crop.

Just ask BP. Maybe they can spray oil on it, then sink it with corexit.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:13 | 1136570 Jim in MN
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Ocean right there is a 'mixing zone' where a couple of currents peter out.  No dominant flow.  Not good for sea life there. 

Offshore a ways the big Kuroshio Current picks up and moves toward Alaska.

See 'Observations' section of this paper:

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:58 | 1136052 sabra1
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wasn't Ultraman a by product of radiation?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:00 | 1136061 Confused
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So was Akira. 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:47 | 1136213 LibertyIn2010
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With that kind of positive spin you might just land a job on President Obama's campaign committee!

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:13 | 1136351 HedgeCock
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i think ultraman ironically works on solar energy.  

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 21:55 | 1152451 Neutron Ray
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No, he was an alien from another planet that melded his being with a earthling you're thinking of Gojira.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 07:57 | 1136055 Silverhog
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This could produce some nasty rain on the US west coast in a few months.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:13 | 1136571 TruthInSunshine
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I never want to see you dancing in the purple rain.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:00 | 1136057 Fix It Again Timmy
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In the same light as "We're doing God's Work" by you know who - "Japan - doing Al Qaeda's Work..." by TEPCO.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:03 | 1136063 Duuude
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"... to make room to store HIGH LEVEL radiation-polluted water in the No. 2 turbine building..."

Until when?


Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:14 | 1136081 earnulf
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Why until the pool get's too full again and we have to release that water to make room for even more highly radioactive water.....rinse and repeat!


Seriously though, this has gone beyound the absurd.   TEPCO is going to flush all life from the sea around Japan and Japanese politicians are looking at each other and wondering who will be the first to tell TEPCO that they have no clothes.      Surprised the average citizen hasn't gone Samauri or Ninja on these hapless folks that are destroying their country right before their eyes.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:17 | 1136097 cossack55
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Too true. The world needs the Yakuza to step in and take over. Maybe they would be willing to send a contingent to DC if we the people offered enough money. I'll kick in $20 today.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:12 | 1136304 Commander Cody
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Let me get this straight: They are releasing low level liquid waste water in unshielded tanks sitting in plain view on the site so that they can put high level liquid waste water in unshielded tanks sitting in plain view on the site.  Well, that should make working conditions on the site that much better.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:04 | 1136066 Bicycle Repairman
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It's obvious that there was no plan for emergencies, because there is no way to deal with emergencies.  Shut down nuclear power.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:13 | 1136079 cossack55
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Agreed. I may be using your services soon.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:16 | 1136319 Commander Cody
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The fact is that there is emergency planning.  However, the planning basis stops much further back on the severity scale than is being experienced as Fukushima Daiichi.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:05 | 1136068 Fix It Again Timmy
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Apparently, they are not willing to explore creative and inventive means of containment, cmon, how difficult can it be to contain a liquid? - just expand on the jar concept which has been around for a few thousand years...

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:09 | 1136069 Hannibal
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Tue, 04/05/2011 - 13:57 | 1137830 downrodeo
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At this point, we ARE sushi...

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:08 | 1136072 Global Hunter
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The Koreans are expressing concern openly.  We are in an economic crisis and unless the people of Japan rise up and deal with these thugs at Tepco and their government I'm afraid that all the pieces are in place for full scale global conflict.  Niall Ferguson in War of the World says that we are already in WW3.  

I'm a bit late to the gold and silver party relative to ZH readers but not compared to most.  Yesterday I started the process of selling my paper assets and looking to get PMs and a 4 wheel drive so I can make a quick getaway out of the city if need be.

If I'm wrong and everything settles down and we go back to a booming economy (something I doubt) I assume I will take a small haircut on my PMs but I gladly accept that trade for some peace of mind.  This isn't about trading for short term profits and the thrill any longer its about survival.

I just can't believe they can keep this genie in the bottle for much longer.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:09 | 1136296 goldfish1
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Don't forget the bottled water.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:56 | 1136494 Founders Keeper
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[The Koreans are expressing concern openly.  We are in an economic crisis and...]---Global Hunter

Good post, Hunter.

You may be late to the party, but at least you brought the chips.


Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:08 | 1136542 Founders Keeper
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Dbl Post.



Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:48 | 1136716 flattrader
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Your 4 wheel drive will do you no good on a packed road.

A dual and some logging road maps might get you somewhere safe.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:15 | 1136075 moneymutt
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all for the lack of 35 foot reinforced gravel sea wall and some better battery backups.....were talking millions could have made this plant so much safer,  could have made the plant safe against a predicted and predicatable historic 1000 year natural disaster ( shoot the 124 ft max hgt of this tsunami in one Japanese town did not even beat the record 125 ft tsunami in 1896, this really wasn't that unusual or surprising of an event) were are talking potential trashing of a huge portion of our food sources. We are so short sighted. 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:11 | 1136076 serotonindumptruck
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If this incident continues much longer, then the creators of the Georgia Guidestones will no doubt realize their goal of reducing the global human population to 500 million.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:23 | 1136117 Ruffcut
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The gudestone says "maintain" the population at 500 million.

My moonbat side tells me that the aliens are coming and need a, toxic to earthlings, environment. Yum yum tasty toxic humans. LOL

Tastes like chicken.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:47 | 1136205 serotonindumptruck
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Yes, it would appear that 500 million is the optimal number for a host body. The parasites must feed themselves after all.

OTOH, perhaps Homo sapiens are a flawed species, and are doomed to an extinction level event of their own making. With the depletion of fossil fuels comes the awareness that we have reached the apex of technological advancement.

It's all downhill from here.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:35 | 1136397 cossack55
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What do ya bet the downhill grade leads straight to Atlantis.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:11 | 1136077 Urban Redneck
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Enough is enough.


Almost a month since the shit hit the fan- and still no coherent long-term plan from “management”.


Perhaps someone with experience in the operation of nuclear plants can point out the shortcomings in the following-


Primary Problems & Obstacles:

1) radioactive crap needs to be contained from escaping up into the atmosphere (primary steel containment for the reactors may have failed, secondary concrete containment has visibly failed, for the holding pools- concrete is the primary containment);

2) radioactive crap needs to be contained from escaping down into the water table and ocean.  Given that there are existing foundation failures, and the area is geologically unstable, there is a known need for future access to repair future damage (earthquake ≠ black swan & Chernobyl sarcophagus ≠ solution);

3) external wind, rain and seawater need to be prevented from coming into contact with the radioactive crap and redistributing it across the world;

4) water circulation and filtration needs to be maintained to dissipate heat buildup for a lengthy period in order to prevent the creation of additional radioactive crap

5) serviceability and remaining service life of existing instruments and equipment is, and will remain, unknown until the next unforeseeable earthquake, tsunami or explosion in adjacent facility;

6) radiation levels at the problem/job site preclude the efficient use human labor in constructing a solution  


Supply of FRNs is not a constraint.  Use of existing and available materials, equipment and technology is a constraint.  The fundamental balance of goals is the tradeoff between implementation time (current rate of release for radioactive crap) and the amount of containment achieved after implementation (future rate of release for radioactive crap, inclusive of future large releases due do shortcomings, failures or operational lifespan of implemented solution) 


A single containment structure of four conjoined reinforced concrete domes, prefabricated and assembled on the jobsite.  Once in place, a second, concentric structure can be more safely constructed for redundancy and improved containment performance. 


1) In addition to seismic resistance, domes provide even load distribution along the foundation, which simplifies the engineering for constructing containment around existing cooling and electrical equipment.

2) A structure of conjoined domes can utilize the existing large building between the reactors and the sea as a sidewall.

3) Once the foundation is sealed, in the event of a catastrophic failure of the cooling system, the containment dome structure itself can be flooded then externally circulated and filtered for heat dissipation. In the event this were necessary a redundant concentric dome structure would be highly desirable.


1) The necessary structural design and fabrication software exists 

2) Prefabrication minimizes the risk of radiation exposure, and minimizes the time required for work onsite (onsite output per man hour is substantially reduced because of protective gear)

3) Japan has a large number of steel plants and fabrication facilities, as well as existing feedstock, which can be easily conscripted and placed on a 24 hour production schedule.

4) Both the US and Israel have known supplies of up-armored bulldozers, excavators, and trucks, which are the most amenable to a quick lead sheeting bondo® job.  The most desirable models are already equipped with NBC filtration units.  All of this equipment is air-liftable to the jobsite

5) The offshore oil services industry has a supply of ROVs already programmed to use undersea fasteners and trained operators.  The ROVs have really long extension cords built in.  This eliminates the need for liquidator riveters.

6) While onsite, the oil services people might be able to teach the TEPCO people how do an underwater cement job (30ft is a lot easier than 3000, even Halliburton could do it) 

7) Japan has a large number of tower cranes which can be conscripted.  A short-tower long-boom configuration would allow placement and manipulation of the structural members and the ROVs from a relatively safe distance.  The automation of the rigging/ground crews is more difficult but not impossible.

8) Long-boom cement pumps are already enroute, and could begin pouring the foundations upon arrival and reassembly, and sidewalls upon erection. 


Anyone have any better ideas?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:23 | 1136115 serotonindumptruck
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Those are excellent ideas. I fear the logistics involved with the implementation of your plan would be staggering. It also seems as if the rest of the world, for the most part, is asserting that this incident is Japan's problem. Hence, there won't be much international effort made to mitigate the disaster.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:22 | 1136116 moneymutt
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put you in charge. Someone has to gaming out all these scenarios and preparing to do a crisis construction project the likes of panama canal, great wall of china....the world shoudl be throwing in, put someone in charge have subs repsonsible for figuring how to do each of the major tasks, have nuke and environmental and strutcural and geologic and hydrology guys working on the design and go to it. Every country should be responsible for diverting and paying appropriate personnel to work on this, shoot doesn't US and Europe have high unemployment right now, aren't the fisherman and the evacuees in Japan sitting around...the can help with grunt labor, admin...this is being treated like a small problem to a small region of Japan when its a global disaster...what is the hald life of cesium being found in the fish? hundreds of years?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:47 | 1136203 steve from virginia
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Japan can cut radiation emissions but they need to go 'old school' at once and marshal hundreds of thousands of workers and all the lead, sand, concrete, boron, concrete, steel sheeting, cranes and concrete equipment they can get their hands on.

Time is running out. They get the cores covered or radiation becomes too intense in the immediate area for anyone to work on the reactors at all.

The goal is to access the cores and spent fuel pools so as to pump them full of sand and boron. Water works @ cross purposes as it causes criticality (it is a neutron moderator) which releases as much or more heat than it removes.

That the plants' cooling systems can be repaired is an absolute fantasy. There have been massive explosions at all four plants. Without the radiation, repairing cooling circuits would be a multi- year task. Now?

Pathways into the bowels of these reactors have to be made and lined with millions of lead bricks. This was the tactic used to bring the Three Mile Island reactor under control. Once the lead- lined working areas are relatively safe, concrete boring can be done to gain access to the cores so that sand and boron can be pumped onto to them.

In the meantime, more sand and boron can be pumped where access to the cores and spent fuel areas is available.

More water will fail, covering will not cool the cores. More jury rigs will not stand up to the radiological abuse that the molten cores deal out to equipment and materials.

Building the lead pathways and work areas will take tens of thousands working in 10 minute shifts as was the case in Chernobyl. Most if not all will receive large doses of radiation but the alternative is a continually deteriorating situation.

Once the cores and spent fuel areas are contained w/ sand and boron, volunteers can clear service areas by removing explosion debris. Loose fuel rods and other material can be taken away for cask storage. People need to be making lead suits for workers right now.

Make no mistake about it, this situation calls for an 'all hands on deck' approach similar to a war. It is do or die for Japan.


And for the rest of us.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:38 | 1136417 trav7777
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I pretty much agree with this.  They are going to have to let the cores melt in a controlled manner, even if it means containment breach (assuming that hasn't already happened).

Their goal of cooling things is simply causing massive radiation release because there are leaks and cracks now all over.  At this point it is going to have to be lead and sand and boron or maybe tin instead of lead.  I still think the problem is with the SFRs.  They are going to have to end up creating radioactive lava just to *immobilize* the waste.

There appears no hope to actually "fix" anything and I have no clue why they still seem to act as if that is a possibility.  Pumping water through leaky cores and SFPs makes it impossible to access the reactors to make ANY repairs.  And not cooling these things leads to melts and fires and breaches and even worse rates of contamination dispersion.   Clear catch .22.

Get a crane in there with some kind of means by which it can lift the roof off of the SFPs.  Dump in lead, boron, sand.  As they exhaust potential tools which can plug the cracks and stop the flow of contaminated water, they are going to end up having to solidfy and immobilize the fuel.  This is the point of no return.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 14:40 | 1138010 downrodeo
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Dear TEPCo,


No reason to get excited,
The thief, he kindly spoke
There are many here among us
Who feel that life is but a joke
But you and I, we've been through that
And this is not our fate
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late

+1 good post trav.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:43 | 1138917 mkkby
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Unfortunately Japan will not take this seriously until their very existence is threatened.  Therefore, as unkind as this seems, the best thing that can happen is the wind keeps the plume over Tokyo as much as possible.  Though I have no ill will for innocent people, this is the only thing that will spur them to action rather than cover up.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:24 | 1136609 Urban Redneck
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A TBM can dig a tunnel exponentially faster than a liquidator army.  The problem is they are spec built and not common machines, and each is designed to place a specific geometry of concrete structural member.  That said, if lead is your friend, then an existing mold for creating a concrete tunnel member can be used to create a lead member.  Does the work area at the end of the access tunnel need to be measurably larger than the access tunnel itself?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 21:28 | 1139400 avonaltendorf
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Red, you do realize I hope that tunnelling under the reactors is also tunnelling below sealevel. Your drill train would be in the ocean.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 05:24 | 1140010 Urban Redneck
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Know a guy who was brought in to fix the Channel Tunnel (below sea level) after the owners and bankers fucked up the first implementation attempt.  It worked, but didn't stop the owners and bankers from fucking the balance sheet once they finally got it built.  The natural obstacles can always be negotiated and solved, the human obstacles (esp. greed), however, require an enduring vigilance to defend against.  

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:08 | 1136843 davepowers
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I don't know the solutions, but you're spot on that this has to be treated as a war. And the enemy is one we've never seen before, with vast offensive and defensive weapons. That doesn't even need to move to do its damage. And where most of the usual small change tactics we're using kick as hard or harder than they shoot.

Like war, victory is going to require immense expenditure, drawing on international resources and, horribly, leading to big casualties. But, it seems there is no alternative.

But where is the effort? Instead, it looks like TEPCO is trying to punish everyone in passive aggressive fashion for not being allowed to just throw up its hands and walk away around day 3. Diaper shots? Newspaper plugs? Non water proof cement? What next?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 14:15 | 1137905 Lord Welligton
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"Building the lead pathways and work areas will take tens of thousands working in 10 minute shifts as was the case in Chernobyl."

Could they not be prefabricated and brought in by barge?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:46 | 1136208 Lord Welligton
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Well done.

I'm no engineer but sounds good.

Really at this stage some UN agency (whether you like the UN or not) needs to get the ball rolling.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:55 | 1136234 hardcleareye
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Ok, you need to take the next step and sit down and complete a construction critical pathway to see how long it will take to perform all these engineering/construction feats..... for that you need to do some rough designs ( I hope and pray that this is going on right now in Japan by the boots on the ground).

Even with a "blank check" and unlimited construction and engineering talent your looking at substantially more time than it took to fix deep water horizon... 

Best thing to do is get the guys (the ones still alive) from Chernobyl to lead/advise the effort, but then you have the conflict with the Japanese culture thing going on, they do things differently than the Russians. 

You also have the cost to contend with.  Watching an interview with Mikhail Gorbachyov, he contended that the reason the USSR failed was due to the cost of Chernobyl.  Would recommend this documentary available on you tube.


Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:36 | 1136657 Urban Redneck
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Gorbi didn't have his own Bernank.  The finance community has not actually seen a full blown carry unwind, only the BOK $7B softball the other day, and the 2 30min/4% USDJPY moves.  The Japanese FinMin has 2 options to create the blank check- 1) call the Bernank who can over-rule the O'fool or 2) push the big red carry trade unwind button for a short term bang creating basically unlimited ¥ bucks to quickly lock in financing for what would mostly likely have to be the the biggest no-bid result driven contract in history.   

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:57 | 1136238 Protonrick
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And, perhaps, use the radioactive water to mix the concrete ? 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:06 | 1136269 Jim in MN
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Yes.  Need to establish an air intercept and filter out the contaminants.

The HEPA filters used in nuclear plants are quite capable of it, but handling the incredible airflow would be if not unprecedented than close.

Consider a strong foundation/frame but lighter surface/paneling.  If a typhoon comes it might be better to let it go and replace it quickly. 

Every day such a structure is in place is critical.  If you lost a week from a typhoon it would be worth it for the weeks you filter the air.

Just jettison the used filters right on to the pile.  Cesium is nice and sticky and will stay stuck once it sticks.  Better a giant filter than the soils around Tokyo's water supply.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:09 | 1136855 valachus
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Oh man, now I'm really depressed. Typhoons are not an "if" statement in Japan. They're a "when" statement. From what I gather, typhoon season starts in July and peaks in September, usually. They've been lucky so far as to not have serious rains over Fukingshima, however should the reactor ruins still be open to the elements by the time of the first typhoon.... That's it, I'm badly depressed.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:37 | 1136859 valachus
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*multiple post*

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:36 | 1136860 valachus
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*multiple post*

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:38 | 1136861 valachus
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*multiple post - SORRY*

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:22 | 1136343 TaxSlave
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I'm not a nuclear expert.

Probably before much of this construction can start, a few other things have to be done:

1) Find and plug leaks into the groundwater that are seeping into the ocean.

2) Recirculate the water, load it with boron, remove heat with water-to-water heat exchangers to dump the heat into the ocean without the nasties.  This will result in increasingly deadly water, but at least it will be contained.  As it is, ALL the water they pour on the mess ends up in the ocean.  There is no place else for it to go!

3) Cover the mess, with any kind of cover (blue tarps, even), so the steam can be condensed and run back into the nasty water, to cut down a little on atmospheric discharge.

4) Start construction of pool walls around the whole mess so all the busted up crap can be flooded.  If it can be cooled enough to stop thermal runaway on exposed fuel rods, most of the cesium, zenon, and iodine gaseous emission can be stopped.

The problem with all this is the 'inadvertent criticality' that is going on.  Water makes it worse, but boron might help quench it.  But every time you get a sputtering criticality, you get huge instantaneous emission of gamma and neutron radiation, which makes it very dangerous to be anywhere nearby.  These microsecond-duration radiation blasts can unpredictably fry you with no warning (read up on accidental criticality events).  You need two different kinds of shielding to protect you from gamma and neutron radiation.

If they can get things cooled and stop criticality excursions, then they can buy some time to invent and build hardened robotic equipment to start plucking radioactive bits out, dispersing and containing them. 

I have no idea whether any of them are thinking along these lines.  Perhaps there are technical reasons that make this approach impossible.  But in the silence, all we have is speculation.  To the half-educated layman like me, it looks like trying to cap the mess without dispersing the fuel might be a big mistake.

I have no doubt that a huge consensus-building argument is going on behind the scenes, that the drawbacks of every possible approach are being screamed about, and that part of the dissembling and obfuscation coming from the official announcements is because they are convinced that airing of the speculations by the experts would cause widespread panic.

Whenever officials are in charge, it is usually best to assume the worst and put the maximum possible distance between your own ass and anything they can reach.  They have different motivations than you do, most likely.

The whole thing from the earthquake to the tsunami to the Fukushima incident are a terrible tragedy.  My heart goes out to the survivors, particularly those who do not have the means to flee the area.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:44 | 1136437 trav7777
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I have a very strong suspicion that the reason the problem looks intractable is because it actually is.

They face the devil of fire and uncontrolled meltdown on one side and the deep blue sea of continued contaminated water leakage on the other.  There is no way out through conventional means.

It's pretty clear that the structures containing nuclear fuel have immense leaks now; they cannot contain water.  Every drop sprayed becomes a contaminant foreclosing the possibility of getting workers in to fix anything.  How can someone fix a leak when what's flowing out of that leak is highly radioactive?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:49 | 1136465 Homey Da Clown
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Trouble at Fukushima reactors No. 5 and 6 — Cracks are allowing in radioactive water that could destroy emergency generator and other vital equipment

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:53 | 1136474 Homey Da Clown
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Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:50 | 1138938 mkkby
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It's not hard to get workers.  Offer anyone fit and able a guaranteed $10 million and lifetime free health care.  Many thousands would jump at the chance to give their families a legacy like that.  Unlike past incidents they'd be doing it with full disclosure and informed consent.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:32 | 1136082 bob_dabolina
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According to my math 11,500 tons = 3,085,029 gallons

Where was TEPCO storing 5 olympic sized swimming pools of radioactive water?

Are we sure this isn't from spent fuel rods being blown into the ocean when the reactors blew?

Is there somewhere in the photos we can see where this area storing 5 olympic sized swimming pools is? I've looked and can't seem to find it (or at least figure it out)

Sorry, but I question everything coming out of TEPCO and I wouldn't put it passed them disseminating misinformation for the purpose of making it look like they are in control.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:36 | 1136163 TomJoad
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My guess is it's a lot more than that, probably no one knows the real numbers, in the early days they were just pumping and spraying seawater indiscriminately to try to cool the reactors and pools. Lets say conservatively they got six standard fire pumps and 2.5 inch fire hoses up and running at approx 350 gpm each. That would be 3,024,000 gal every DAY. It had to go somewhere, I'm sure much of it ran straight overboard.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:46 | 1136195 bob_dabolina
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That is a very astute observation Tom.

What I am questioning however is the notion that they have an area storing that much water. I'm looking at it from a logistical standpoint and it makes no sense, I don't see an area that is storing 5 olympic size swimming pools of water. Not saying they don't but if someone has the answer as to where that is, I would love to hear it.

That's a lot of water.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:02 | 1136522 Pablo Escobar
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The water is stored in those big, big cylinder type things called water tanks....  Every picture shown of the plant has them in plain sight.  They are even labeled as such.




Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:18 | 1136588 TomJoad
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If you look closely at the satellite photos all of the structures that were not made of reinforced concrete were significantly damaged by the tsunami. I am sure that no workers were out building berms and digging sumps to contain and recover contaminated water to pump it into storage tanks anyway, not with the F-50 being pulled off the property regularly due to recriticality events.


Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:44 | 1136198 Bicycle Repairman
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"I'm sure much of it ran straight overboard."

Of course it did.  This idea that TEPCO is "dumping" or "releasing" water is utter bullshit.  The entire situation is this: TEPCO has some fire hoses watering the reactors. The water is then running straight into the ocean.  Meanwhile at a safe distance TEPCO workers eat doughnuts, drink coffee, and scratch their asses.  That's the plan.  The long term plan.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:08 | 1136289 Jim in MN
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Fun fact: Much of the US and Soviet/Russian nuclear 'culture' comes straight from the Navy.  In fact much of the electric power industry culture does (with a shot of corporate financial bullshit since the 1980s).  Why?  Boilers.  They go from boilers on ships, to boilers on land.  Nuclear, coal, fuel oil, whatever.

So, think 'ship-shape''s goddamn clean, you can eat off of it.  But it all went straight down the drain/overboard.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:57 | 1136487 MSimon
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The Navy has standards. Very strict standard. Civilians not so much.


The Navy - what will the standards do?

Civilians - what will standards cost?


I lived 300 ft from an operating reactor for months at a time. I worked within 50 ft.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 10:25 | 1136615 Jim in MN
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No question the military in most countries and esp here has gotten its act together.  I was referring to a mentality from the 1960s-1970s, the 'old hands' as it were.  And safety per se was always a priority.  Waste, not so much.  Or is that entire point just wrong?  I have known people who were the pioneers of environmental management in the US power sector...a long and lonely slog.  So that's what I heard.  Other views much appreciated.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 12:31 | 1136508 MSimon
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Tue, 04/05/2011 - 11:03 | 1136806 Urban Redneck
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I can't find the dimensions anymore for the spent fuel pools, but they since they are listed as 45' deep and GE's crap breakaway diagrams make them look somewhat cube like- assume 681.66Kgal per reactor x6 reactors + recirculation/heat exchange pools + common spent fuel pool + piping capacity + feed stock water (towers).  I could see 3.0Mgal (esp. if 1/4 of the arial view of a single rector  .68Mgal). 

What I do not understand is that given their mastery of operation extension cord, why did they not implement operation sump pump (i.e. dig a swimming pool and put the radio active crap somewhere specific until you can better deal with it, as opposed to mixing it with the world's free range sushi supply).

3Mgal = 11,000m3.  That hole can be dug in a day.  With the luxury of 2-3 days and sloped sidewalls, then a soil stabalizer specifically engineered for toxic waste containment could be added before the radioactive crap was pumped in- leaving airborne transfer as the biggest gap, since a simple TARP seems so hard to come by in Japan now. 


Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:14 | 1136088 akatako13
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a country which once was believed to care about its people and the environment...HA!! ..lived there 10 yrs...they dont give a shit....does anyone remember minamata?,_Kumamoto


Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:21 | 1136105 Global Hunter
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did a project on that in high school, I forgot all about it.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:26 | 1136135 Herman Strandsc...
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I remember the Minamata incident from news when I was younger; big problem with mercury in fish which put many off eating fish. This radiation will spread throughout every ocean in the world but there is no point in keeping up the reminder of how cruel and barbaric the japanese people were in ww2 to humankind and how they are so cruel to mammels like whales and dolphins.

I'm sure some japanese folk are decent and they do send rescue teams out around the globe when disaster strikes as remittance for what happened before and still goes on. Probably.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:12 | 1136308 Jim in MN
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Dead Kennedys, 'Kepone Factory', lost session videos

Some people remember.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:16 | 1136092 Sizzurp
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The more these radioactive waste products spread around, the harder and more dangerous it will become to remedy the situation.  This problem demands a world wide full out effort, but there is no decisive leadership to be found.  This is what happens when we turn elections into popularity contests between empty suits.  It's sad and pathetic that our leaders are so behind the curve on this crisis.  

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:46 | 1136196 AnAnonymous
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The more these radioactive waste products spread around, the harder and more dangerous it will become to remedy the situation.


On the contrary. The better it is. It will make the next nuclear incident looks better if it happens shortly enough after this one. And so on...

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:18 | 1136093 vast-dom
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Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:34 | 1136161 Jim in MN
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That oil war shit is old--cocoa war, now that's awesome.  Just make sure it's a small country and let the French off their leash (don't worry, they sent a few experts to protect their commercial nuclear interests in Japan).

Gbagbo residence hit 50 times in Ivory Coast

ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast - A spokesman for Ivory Coast's entrenched leader Laurent Gbagbo says his home has been hit at least 50 times by a United Nations Mi-24 helicopter.

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Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:40 | 1136180 cossack55
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Smells a little like Viet Nam and the rubber plantations.  They have some great beaches for the Cav, but I don't know about surf conditions.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:44 | 1136189 Herman Strandsc...
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Do you realise how big the chocolate easter egg trade is worth in the west? As for Gbagbo's house being hit 50 times then I suggest they start using larger calibre ordnance so there's nothing left to hit.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 09:51 | 1136460 vast-dom
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hey jimmy boy: whatever the reasons for war for $$$ let's do a little COST/RISK analysis and factor in how much MORE $$$ it will cost for this nuclear disaster over time. 


Myopic is understatement. Unless Big Pharm got a cure for all sorts of cancer as funded by BP, EXXON et al.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:18 | 1136098 Yes We Can. But...
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It is too late for us.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:19 | 1136102 Rodent Freikorps
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If it tastes good, eat it.

Have you truly ever envied anyone old?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:20 | 1136112 cossack55
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George Soros    Emperor of the World

Hugh Hefner     Emperor of the Hot Babes

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:26 | 1136131 Rodent Freikorps
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Do those zombies look happy?

For most humans, that kind of self-serving life pales after a decade or two.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:22 | 1136121 Jim in MN
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++ so true.

However, feeding sushi to babies is kind of icky in the first place.  And they don't even like spinach and shiitake mushrooms!

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:30 | 1136145 Yes We Can. But...
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Yeah, but I've never envied anyone with radiation poisoning.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:19 | 1136104 Jim in MN
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Edited repost from last night at 2 in the morning...authorities have very quietly admitted this is, or will soon be, passing Chernobyl to become the worst nuclear disaster in history, at least from a radiation standpoint.  Might already be, may be any day now.


Holy Hidden Estimate, Batman!

It's a sort of joint international estimate of Fukushima Daiichi emissions from the French, Finnish, US and the almost well named 'European Technical Safety Organisation Network (ETSON),' which should have had Joint at the start for a classic acronym.  They estimate a cesium release at 10% of Chernobyl over ten days, that is, 1% per day or Chernobyl equivalent in 100 days. 

First of all, its noteworthy from a CYA standpoint that this estimate is out there, admitting that we're looking at a Chernobyl type event, but entirely unnoticed by the press as far as I can tell.  Actually picked up by Platt's, an energy industry news service, and possibly one reason why some seem so complacent even now.

Analytically, this estimate only counts the rods loaded in the unit 1, 2 and 3 cores.  It omits the spent fuel at units 1-3 and doesn't mention unit 4 at all.  Plus it estimates the cesium and other radioisotopes "using proportions usually encountered in irradiated fuel" which makes me wonder what that burnup assumption is. 

Just based on the fuel rods counted, though, this 'semi-official, public but hidden in plain sight' estimate includes just 1,335 of the 3,843 fuel rods in the heavily damaged buildings.  So, a simple correction is to multiply their emission estimate by three.  It's not 10% of Chernobyl in ten days, it's 30%.  A Chernobyl every 30 days using the 'official' rate of cesium production.  Not so far from the suspicions of the blogosphere after all.

As for burnup, the length of time fuel is left in the core, it's a strong influence on fission byproduct inventory.  Industry has been increasing burnup and the Japanese are leading this trend (more on that posted last night too).  Going from the Chernobyl burnup of 11,000 MW-days per ton to twice that implies cesium also roughly doubles.  Fukushima Daiichi seems to have been loading rods to pools in the 24,000-29,000 range.  So a very simple change in this burnup assumption would bring the 'official' estimate in line with mine...more or less.

And that's NOT good.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 08:25 | 1136126 cossack55
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I have got to stop reading your posts and drinking more instead.

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