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TEPCO Knew Radiation In Seawater Is 7.5 Million Above Normal Before It Started Dumping Radioactivity In Sea On Monday
This time nobody will be blamed for not carrying the decimal comma. While a few weeks back TEPCO scrambled to lie to the public that a reading 10 million times higher than normal was really just 100,000 times above threshold, today TEPCO, whose stock hit an all time low in overnight trading, finally admitted the truth that radioactive Iodine 131 readings taken from seawater near the water intake of the Fukushima No. 1
nuclear plant's No. 2 reactor reached 7.5 million times the legal limit. This means Godzilla is most likely very close to hatching. But it gets worse: "The sample that yielded the high reading was taken Saturday, before
Tepco announced Monday it would start releasing radioactive water into
the sea, and experts fear the contamination may spread well beyond
Japan's shores to affect seafood overseas." In other words, as TEPCO was dumping 11,500 tons of radioactive water in the sea, it already knew, but kept away from the public, the radiation was nearly ten million times higher than legal limits. At this point we truly marvel at the stoic ability of Japanese people, and most certainly its east-coast fishermen, whose jobs are finished as nobody will want to buy any fish in the foreseeable future for fear of radioactive toxicity, to accept such lies, very often with an intent to hurt, day after day, without anger spilling over in some form of violence.
More from Japan Times on this disgusting precedent set by a country which once was believed to care about its people and the environment:
The unstoppable radioactive discharge into the Pacific has prompted experts to sound the alarm, as cesium, which has a much longer half-life than iodine, is expected to concentrate in the upper food chain.
According to Tepco, some 300,000 becquerels per sq. centimeter of radioactive iodine-131 was detected Saturday, while the amount of cesium-134 was 2 million times the maximum amount permitted and cesium-137 was 1.3 million times the amount allowable.
The amount of iodine-131 dropped to 79,000 becquerels per sq. centimeter Sunday but shot up again Monday to 200,000 becquerels, 5 million times the permissible amount.
The level of radioactive iodine in the polluted water inside reactor 2's cracked storage pit had an even higher concentration. A water sample Saturday had 5.2 million becquerels of iodine per sq. centimeter, or 130 million times the maximum amount allowable, and water leaking from the crack had a reading of 5.4 million becquerels, Tepco said.
"It is a considerably high amount," said Hidehiko Nishiyama, spokesman for the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.
Masayoshi Yamamoto, a professor of radiology at Kanazawa University, said the high level of cesium is the more worrisome find.
"By the time radioactive iodine is taken in by plankton, which is eaten by smaller fish and then by bigger fish, it will be diluted by the sea and the amount will decrease because of its eight-day half-life," Yamamoto said. "But cesium is a bigger problem."
The half-life of cesium-137 is 30 years, while that for cesium-134 is two years. The longer half-life means it will probably concentrate in the upper food chain.
Yamamoto said such radioactive materials are likely to be detected in fish and other marine products in Japan and other nations in the short and long run, posing a serious threat to the seafood industry in other nations as well.
"All of Japan's sea products will probably be labeled unsafe and other nations will blame Japan if radiation is detected in their marine products," Yamamoto said.
Tepco on Monday began the release into the sea of 11,500 tons of low-level radioactive water to make room to store high-level radiation-polluted water in the No. 2 turbine building. The discharge continued Tuesday.
Alas, initial fisherman jobless claims are about to join true radioactivity levels in surging above legal thresholds:
On Monday, 4,080 becquerels per kilogram of radioactive iodine was
detected in lance fish caught off Ibaraki Prefecture. Fishermen
voluntarily suspended its shipment. The health ministry plans to compile
radiation criteria for banning marine products.
And the bottom line is that after almost a month, Japan is nowhere near closer to fixing this whole goddamned mess:
Tepco initially believed the leak was somewhere in the cable trench that
connects the No. 2 turbine building and the pit. But after using milky
white bath salt to trace the flow, which appeared to prove that was not
the case, the utility began to think it may be seeping through a layer
of small stones below the cable trench.
When all is said and done, the lies are removed, and the truth is finally revealed, this will end up being far, far worse than Chernobyl.
The chart below from the NYT shows what is currently known about the intentional water release and unintentional leak from Fukushima:
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great info Jim, yeah it seems by revealing some of the raw data of the calcs, they are admitting that theirs is a conservative estimate.
This is so far from what most experts were saying in first week of this. I remember people that did not seem like outright schills sayin it was impossible rad water was escaping plant, that this in no way could be anything close to Chrenobyl etc....really after a 9.0 eq and tsnami washed over whole site, they were confident that now of the major protections were compromised?
dbl
great info Jim, yeah it seems by revealing some of the raw data of the calcs, they are admitting that theirs is a conservative estimate.
This is so far from what most experts were saying in first week of this. I remember people that did not seem like outright schills sayin it was impossible rad water was escaping plant, that this in no way could be anything close to Chernobyl etc....really after a 9.0 eq and tsunami washed over whole site, they were confident that none of the major protections were compromised?
Excellent commentary.
But I hope for the Japanese you are wrong.
no decisive leadership to be found
There's decisive leadership; you're watching it in action. It's just not about the people.
Some decisions are so nuts, only a bureaucrat following a rule book written by bureaucrats who've never done the job, could make them.
Doesn't Bureaucracy mean Cancer in the original Atlantian?
"When all is said and done, the lies are removed, and the truth is finally revealed, this will end up being far, far worse than Chernobyl."
Contrary to the claims made by the 'experts' paraded around the worlds media in the early days.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9427000/9427431.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/12734910
Some people still continue the lies:
George Monbiot
(He should move to Fukushima)
The Guardian had this idiot on their website this morning:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/05/anti-nuclear-lobby-m...
What about TEPCO misleading the world?
Deadliest Catch....Here's one map on ocean currents in the Pacific...
http://www.seos-project.eu/modules/oceancurrents/images/gyres1.png
Too much bullshit in the Japanese media to get the masses outraged.
I wonder how long it will be until the majority of people on this screwed up planet realise this is going to affect every single one of them. Plutonium is forever.
The Fukushima situation is completely out of control. This scenario doubles the horrors of a) a biosphere plagued by radiation with b) a collapse of society's infrastructure - after all, who is going to want to go to work if it involves stepping outside their door into a toxic cloud?
I could have sworn I heard on Jap TV this morning that they are widening the evac zone around DaiNI plant. Too much to digest if true.
FUBAR.
thats what I was thinking when people realize what is going on, heading into the office doesn't seem important anymore. When that happens all bets are off.
now I finally can see a realistic scenario why some psychic types said in the future world will be populated by villages/cities under huge domes. Never really made sense why that would be a good idea...now I'm thinking all that is needed to make that the way to go is a few more big natural disasters near a few more nuke plants.
'I finally can see a realistic scenario why some psychic types said in the future world will be populated by villages/cities under huge domes'
Yes. To get an idea on what this may look like then please feel free to visit the Eden Project in Cornwall, England where domes exist already to contain an environment of choice in any climate: I finally can see a realistic scenario why some psychic types said in the future world will be populated by villages/cities under huge domes:
http://www.edenproject.com/
Guess who is sponsoring the The Big Lunch?
(Part of the Eden Project)
http://www.thebiglunch.com/
EDF
Électricité de France
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lectricit%C3%A9_de_France
TV Japan had a whistleblower on this morning that is a manager at the plant. Says no one has any idea what is going on there. Fecked.....
You're not fishermen any more, fellas. Now, your title is Radiation Containment Associate
Who knew it was a phucking prophesy? Doesn't seem like anybody I know cares except one of our dealerships is Toyota and they are a little depressed about the production halt.
So if Godzilla was prophetic, what was The Matrix?
I'm here in Canada and maybe some of my American friends can help me out. I don't get Obama at all, I can't figure out if he's really dumb or really evil. Does he have any idea that this is going on? I get the feeling he doesn't even know. Not sure what he could do that this point but speaking to the people he is supposed to lead would be a good start.
Barack Obama is, quite simply, a sophomoric boob. He's not about real shit, he's about hope & change.
Just like the rest of the DC scum, he is merely a bank employee.
flag as accurate (1)
when you figure it out, tell us...Clinton was quick on his feet, was fighter and was a typical sellout politician when he needed to be, but I do think he was competent. Obama isreasonably intelligent and has avoided the stupid blunders of rashness of W, and is not actively pushing crap like cutting taxes for the rich, just caving into the demand, but other than that, don't know what he is doing.
There is nothing to be said that is both honest and convenient/profitable.
Chicago just happens to be 80% nuclear. Do the math. Er, that's all the math that matters.
Goldman Sachs on financial policy. Exelon on nuclear policy. United HealthCare Inc. on health care policy.
The rest is just noise. Not dumb, that is for sure. Evil is a meaningless term for a group of sociopathic global super-elites.
Does that help?
Yes Jim it does. I find your posts in to be really helpful. My question was an honest one but your response provides some good insight. It doesn't make me feel any better though.
You forgot Michael Taylor, Obama's Food Saftey Czar, who was a VP (lobbiest) for Monsanto, and in-n-out of the FDA's revolving door for years. That's like having Joseph Mengele in charge of your health care program (which will be forthcoming).
Yes, he's evil. And a know-it-all. Bad combo.
Only my opinion...No one gets to the office of president without Controllers. It's not that he's dumb or un-involved, it's that too many issues are too dangerous to touch, Silence is the best response. Oftentimes, the slightest remark opens doors that the Controllers find impossible to close. So the word comes down: "Don't go there, ever!" No one is innocent anymore. Best to keep your head down and say nothing.
Then again, there is a Dark Side to all this...very dark.
I saw in the news yesterday this was not a concern. We need to stay on more important issues like tomahawking Libya and protecting BP's oil infrastructure. Perhaps when we finish up with Libya we can divert some "NATO" resources to helping Japan.
Can NATO, NASA or UN stop a volcano eruption? There are limits to what people can do. This situation has no possible solution. The only thing they can try is to bomb the plant.
Well,
that was before they start pumping the less radioaktive Water to the Ocean.
So lets wait a week and see how funny fishes will shine when they start to pump the heavy radioaktive Water they start catching now in the tanks.
The ability to put up with a high level of crap from the government (i.e. tolerance of 100% lies) is an Asian personality trait in general. Hence China's ability to allow state-owned or state-licensed (bribed officials to ignore so much as rat poison in the babies milk) companies to feed straight poison to babies in milk and not hear a single half-hearted yip from the entire populace. I guess Chinese figure if they were already poisoning their babies with the breast milk from Mommy composed of 25% mercury they eat in their daily food intake, it just doesn't matter anyway.
If that could be true... Reads much more like a US citizenship personality trait and in the US world order, UScitizenism is spreading like propaganda pours out of a US citizen's mouth to cover up facts...
i will pass on the sushi........FOREVER
Admiration for the Japanese ability to view human stupidity and deceit as an indomitable force of nature much like the tsunami. They have much to teach.
At least all the nuclear cheerleaders have pissed off from these threads finally, I hope they are all en route to Fukishima to prove how safe it is by opening a nudist colony down by the outflow... getting some Fukiviagra
In other news, sushi restaurants to be rebranded "Yo Caesium-137".
Mmmmm - Fukishima Roll
May be time to dig out an old copy of "The Toxic Avenger"
I'm a bit confused here. Does it matter that the half life of radioactive iodine is only 8 days once it is ingested by a fish ( or human)? That is, the damage to cells in the organism begins immediately after exposure and once damaged that's that. So isn't being exposed to 7.5 million times the legal limit of iodine worse than being exposed to 100,000 times the limit for cesium or am I wrong here?
There is a time factor. In 48 days the I-131 will be = Cs dose rate. The Cs will still be irradiating your body. So very very roughly in 3600 days (actually less) you will have the same dose from the Cs as from the Iodine. After that the dose keeps rising for the Cs.
Iodine concentrates in the thyroid. So there is that.
The tuna that is on the shelves now was it caught pre tsunami?
Also where is the tuna caught that is sold in the USA?
Serious questions...please only answer if you really know.
Also where is the tuna caught that is sold in the USA?
In the ocean.
The Irradiated Ocean. I keep hearing Charlton Heston in my ears ---- 'You maniacs - you finally did it-
God Damn You - Damn you all to Hell
9 seconds of truth - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbYx6hevoQ
You know, a few wind turbines placed out of reach of any tsunami and/or banks of large solar panels [built to withstand earthquakes] likewise placed, could have kept the batteries charged and the pumps pumping in the event that all generators became incapacitated. An ounce of prevention....
I am sorry....I just do not see anything like this being covered by our media...... WTF???
Let's strap the TEPCO management down and pour that radioactive piss vomit down their fucking throats then make those weasels commit hari-kari, so they can be the gutless pukes that they really are. This is sickening that the International community just sits around and watches this fucking freak show. What do you get when you mix I-131, cesium and Corexit?
You had to keep on track with this event.
10 millions, no, 100,000, no 7.5 millions... Incredible... US world order.
The latest update from NHK: "Plant radiation monitor says levels immeasurable"
"A radiation monitor at the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says workers there are exposed to immeasurable levels of radiation.
The monitor told NHK that no one can enter the plant's No. 1 through 3 reactor buildings because radiation levels are so high that monitoring devices have been rendered useless. He said even levels outside the buildings exceed 100 millisieverts in some places."
They should stop pumping water or the site will be totally unaccessible for humans in a short order. It's better to keep radiation underground and in non-liquid form.
Yes, our current ass-wipe leaders seem incapable of dealing with real threats, especially one leader concerned with raising one billion dollars for a re-election bid - OMG, if that is not an indication of insanity, nothing is...
From the Daily Beast via the Wall St. Journal:
Radioactive water leaking from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant into the ocean shouldn’t pose much of a threat to sea life: The Pacific Ocean will quickly dilute it to safe levels, expert says. Radiation is most likely to turn up in seaweed, which soaks up iodine; it's unclear if seaweed is farmed or harvested in the contaminated area. Radioactive cesium is more dangerous than iodine, but it is water soluble and so will leave fish once they exit contaminated areas. The threat to immobile shellfish, however, is much greater.
..."shouldn't pose much of a threat..."
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Hey y'all , just to clarify about becquerels.
1Bq = 1 atomic disintegration per second in whatever you are talking about.
The 'whatever' is important, could be in a lump of rock, or tank of water, or a speck of dust.
Obviously the smaller the thing, the higher the actual amount of radiation - if you have one disintegration a second in a swimming-pool sized vat of milk no-one cares, but if its one per second in a drop of milk you might not want to drink it.
So you need to keep a careful eye on the units they're giving.
For example, 400 Bq per square meter might be mentioned last week, ok so that's quite a bit.
You might not want to stand on that square meter of ground for ever - 400 'clicks' per minute, but it wouldn't be that bad for you.
But now suppose someone starts talking about 400 Bq per square centimetre, you might think the radiation was the same . . . but no, that's 10,000 times higher.
The same square meter of ground would have 4,000,000 disintegrations per second. No way do you want to stand there.
Watch those units. . . .
very helpful it has been hard for a layman like me who can usually get into a subject and read up on it and get a basic handle or premise of things as all these units add some confusion.
Thanks, you might want to buy a little space in a Major newspaper and re print that.
It might get a few people of the couch thats sits in front of the TV
You might also want to think about your children (and theirs -and theirs....) having to live, correction, survive with this
...and away go troubles down the drain...
Where the fuck is our great, fearless leader and the new black jesus Obama at? Why does the greatest nation on this Earth sit around and watch this fucking trajedy unfold. WHERE IS THE LEADERSHIP?
He's probably on vacation or getting 18 holes in at the course... or maybe he's getting into 18 holes during the course of screwing us all. Spend a billion dollars on re-election, spend the rest of your time playing golf or on vacation, the whole presidential gig doesn't sound too bad honestly.
How could he help his breadmasters? By pretending to tackle the issue? No, more people will think about it, start having doubts. Better to just shut up about it, paint the concerned as "alarmists", and let it all go away, people will become numb from the continuous trickle of bad news. It worked in the Gulf! People stopped looking, and the problem is gone. (Until there's a hurricane dumping all of it on the midwest and the food supply, and it isn't gone at all.)
Remember it's all cumulative. I'm not positive.
"I am an American and I am HERE TO HELP YOU!"
there is no leadership. repeat: there is no leadership. it sank when it sold out to corporations. there is no more we the people. this is Amurica, Inc.
Why even release radioactive water into the world's ocean. Why not direct it to evaporation ponds (yes many hectares). The evaporated water vapor would be just clean H2O. The world court should have prohibited this dump. That it happened is criminal and should be prosecuted fully.
So how much plutonium is in this (or the next batch) of water?
Tyler, I find it reprehensible that you find fault with the Japanese people for being "stoic", as if that is a character defect. And you think they should get violent as a legitimate reaction to what? An accident caused by a tsunami. They should burn buildings and kill each other or their leaders in addition to the damage already caused by nature? You've got alot of nerve being such a self righteous, pompous ass. The Japanese are acting civilized, because violence and anger provide ZERO solutions to tehir problems. The Arabs are proving this in spades. I am disgusted by your attacks on people eho actually practice PEACE...in the face of catastrophe. Why not enourage others to do so as well?
Living in denial and conforming is not a positive character trait, a healthy human being should be concerned about survival first and foremost. The way that the Japanese people are behaving is quite unnerving. I will make 2 points about this, I don't think that we in North America would be behaving too much differently (give us our American Idol and Survivor and some Buds and Big Macs throw in an ipod and we're all groovy), second if the snap, or when they snap its going to be ugly.
Suppressed fear, angst and anger may work well when things are humming along nicely but when it fall apart all that suppression is going to come out with a vengeance.
Sheep and cattle ranching is easier, and more profitable, than wolf and tiger ranching.
Did you ever read accounts of Jews behaving in meek and orderly fashion while being herded onto trains and then directed into gas chambers? Didn't you wonder, didn't you wish, that they just rushed their guards on masse and maybe managed to just kick one in the nuts before being gunned down?
Same principle going on here on ZH with regards to the Japanese populace.
Some are still blissfully unaware of what's happening at Fukushima. Others have an idea, but other than that one guy who drove his car into the gates at Daini, they seem oddly content to just let TEPCO and the gov handle matters. From the imperfect info we have been spoon fed to date, it appears that TEPCO and the gov are primarily interested in "damage control" in the sense of controlling the harm to TEPCO and the gov.
What is probably going to happen is that a large swath of Japan will be rendered uninhabitable in the sense that you will become far more likely to die of cancer 10 or 20 years from now, at which time the government and TEPCO will deny any causal relationship between the increased rate of cancer deaths and the Fukushima disaster and provide zero compensation to the bereaved families. That is why the radiation readings are being fudged now, and the "acceptable limits" being raised. The Japanese love their country, their cities, their villages, their homes. They will live on in the vicinity of Fukushima, except for a small exclusion zone, and quietly take the cancer deaths in the coming years.
Continuously downplaying the effect of radiation released into the air and sea also has the benefit of being consistent with Japan's eventual position when it denies the payment of any reparations to foreign nationals whose health or livlihood has been adversely impacted by the spread of radiation. Every claimant will be told they were "too far away" and that the radiation was "too diluted" to have been the cause of their problems.
I hope I'm wrong. I'd like to see some nut-kicking eventually, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for it.
Did you ever read accounts of Jews behaving in meek and orderly fashion while being herded onto trains and then directed into gas chambers? Didn't you wonder, didn't you wish, that they just rushed their guards on masse and maybe managed to just kick one in the nuts before being gunned down?
Same principle going on here on ZH with regards to the Japanese populace.
Some are still blissfully unaware of what's happening at Fukushima. Others have an idea, but other than that one guy who drove his car into the gates at Daini, they seem oddly content to just let TEPCO and the gov handle matters. From the imperfect info we have been spoon fed to date, it appears that TEPCO and the gov are primarily interested in "damage control" in the sense of controlling the harm to TEPCO and the gov.
What is probably going to happen is that a large swath of Japan will be rendered uninhabitable in the sense that you will become far more likely to die of cancer 10 or 20 years from now, at which time the government and TEPCO will deny any causal relationship between the increased rate of cancer deaths and the Fukushima disaster and provide zero compensation to the bereaved families. That is why the radiation readings are being fudged now, and the "acceptable limits" being raised. The Japanese love their country, their cities, their villages, their homes. They will live on in the vicinity of Fukushima, except for a small exclusion zone, and quietly take the cancer deaths in the coming years.
Continuously downplaying the effect of radiation released into the air and sea also has the benefit of being consistent with Japan's eventual position when it denies the payment of any reparations to foreign nationals whose health or livlihood has been adversely impacted by the spread of radiation. Every claimant will be told they were "too far away" and that the radiation was "too diluted" to have been the cause of their problems.
I hope I'm wrong. I'd like to see some nut-kicking eventually, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for it.
I take objection to the statement that "the Japanese are acting civilized". No, they aren't acting civilized, in fact dumping massive amounts of highly radioactive liquid waste straight into the ocean is about the furthest away from my notion of "civilization" that I can think of.
As it is, it looks like Japan is practically dead on its feet, and its leaders have decided that everybody else should drop dead too along with them. Compare the actions of the "Evil Empire" post Chernobyl with those of the suave, "civilized", "eco-friendly" Japanese. It's a no contest.
Cowardice, hypocrisy, reckless disregard for their own citizens as well as for the entire humanity. This is Japan's crisis management approach so far, and it doesn't look like getting better any time soon. And damn right the sheeple in Japan are responsible for it. As far as I'm concerned, I'll do my best to not buy a post-Fukushima Japanese product or product containing Japanese parts as long as I may live. For both practical as well as moral reasons.
Crazy Japanese..
They need to tackle this head on, like the Americans.
Tonnes and tonnes of dispersant... that stuff can make any disaster disappear... and maybe a photo of the PM eating a 'local' shrimp.
Problem Solved.
The sea giveth and the sea taketh away.
One upside of this mess is the real possibility that overfished species will get a reprieve. Wait until someone detects a strong ionizing particle in a beloved tuna and watch the whole industry collapse. I say good for that. The dam Japs and everyone else have overfished the ocean for too long.
ALL of this likely because they refused the NRC's recommendation of hardened H2 venting systems and were incapable of airlifting backup generation within a nearly ONE DAY window
JP: Logistic chain breaks
The catastrophe in Japan has had the effect of increasing supply bottlenecks for the electronics business. Alongside terminal devices, important preliminary products, parts and components, such as wafers, chips and sensors, are made in Japan for the high-tech industry.
http://www.mmnews.de/index.php/english-news/7613-jp-logistic-chain-breaks
Thanks to Zero Hedge for keeping us informed on this tragedy. Can't find the facts anyplace else.
Agreed,
Thanks Tyler!
Tesla figured out how to get electricity out of the air. You remember lightning don't you?
Tesla had given us free electricity. 1.8 million Gigawatt Hours per hour of pure electricity is floating right over our heads and we use exactly Zero Hedge fucking Watts of it? ARE WE ALL STUPID FUKIN SHEEP FOR LETTING THE EXPERTS TELL US IF WE USE FREE ELECTRICITY IT MIGHT KILL US?
There are 16,000,000 or 1.6 X 10^7 lightning bolts hitting ground a year on planet.
The APP or Average Peak Power of a single lightning bolt is 1 Terawatt or 10^12 Watts = 1,000,000,000,000 Watts.
So we multiply Watts X Strikes per year to get total watts per year which is:
(1.6 X 10^7) X (1 X 10^12) = 1.6 X 10^19 = 16,000,000,000,000,000,000 watts per year.
Then we get hours in a year which is 24 X 365 = 8760.
Now divide year into annual wattage to get Watts Per Hour or Watt Hours:
1.6 X10^19 / 8.760 X 10^3 = 1.826 X 10^15 = 1,826,000,000,000,000
Every single major Industrial Revolution cornerstone in Electricity and Magnetism was invented by Tesla:
MOST DANGEROUS EXPERTS EVER ARE LAWwomen. FBI is full of 'EXPERTS' that will save you from any crime some CIA Coke Toten Black Boy might be pullin, but the Rusky Mafiya scares the chickenshit pigs so much they run from the fuckers, or even scarier, do dirtywork for the fukers personally. Who gonna pull over a cop car runnin dope?
book link: http://robert-friedman-red-mafiya.blogspot.com/
lets see this proves amazon.com,ebay.com,google.com and facebook.com is run by Jew Mafiya if this book had to be given away.
What is real scarey, is how fukin worthless this proves all the NSA wiretapping our asses has been for the last 30 years. This kinda even implicates the USA intel agencies as being in on the take maybe by kikbaks and so the USAF can corner the Afghan heroin runs without gettin kilt by Mafiya. nsa must be usin wiretaps to get ones who see what they a doin' eh?
What the hell was that?
well just I fig'd that most sheep don't know sheepshit from bullshit so I just wanted em to know JPMoron sued Tesla about 100 years ago from now for givin' away free 'lectric power to all the po fokes on da planet.
Or do u own shares in Exxon and BP and TepCo and GE ?
Nope. Rusky mafia.
Oh I need some really nice Cohibas matey, can u get me a few cases?
oops again another double tap
i tried to flag as junk and it not delete and no delete button - help? i just a dimwit
oops i double tapped that one fokes, system slower than molasis in feb on dark side of moon
@benburnyanki
Dontcha know that if you take all the lectric out of the air - the sky comes crashin' down??
Tesla was a genius when it came to electric motors. The average second year EE knows more about RF than he did. Read Tesla's books. When it comes to RF he made a LOT of mistakes.
If you do the calculations right you will find that the electricity in the air does not contain much power. And it is spread over big distances. Worse than windmills.
Non Sequitor by a troll folks.
Latin for 'Does Not Follow' as @MSimon tries to bullshit you that RF means something to do with current Amps and Watts of flow between two potentials, one postitive and one negative. The earth is ground and the planet is surrounded by a giant sphere only a few hundred meters up of positive charge electric field. Don't try to twist the facts slick willy. Tesla put a tower up to connect to the Plus Charged atmoshere area and tether the power to the earth for use.
Arguing with Tesla means you either really dumb or shareholder in GE and BP matey.
Go troll another reef and quit fukin sheep in the brains, it may hurt.
Oh I found an error in my calcs by factor of only 360 since a lightning bolt does not last more than a second, my watt hours are really watt seconds so if you divide seconds in a hour into (1.8 X 10^15) / 360 = 5. X 10^12 = 5,000, 000,000,000 Watt Hours Per Hour of potential power.
5,000 Gigawatt Hours Per Hour of Power is still a fuckload of it matey.
Not so sure about the LAWwomen (lol!), but I concurr there's many avenues of energy generation that remain unexplored. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Personally I like to keep an open mind, and not trust so much on the workings of the "scientific community", to "come to our rescue". R&D always has come with a pricetag. Tesla's experiments that were beyond the inmediately marketable (like AC), were a fluke in historic perspective.
Here's another one scorned and ignored: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ykCWaVcjSA
And yet another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCdxpt86fv4
Investment of the century? Let's keep an open mind?
What happens when cesium-137 meets Corexit in the sea water?
Some kind of explosion?
yes, Japanese and American Sheep are no longer a rare breed. Fluoride, chemtrails, shock and OWE, here we BE.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaa
Daley: Uh Mr president we have a problem with this Fukushima plant.
Obama: Hey man no problem,....put Chu on it, he will eat that FUKU up. Should we play Congressional CC or Merion today?
Daley: Mr President, the Fukushima plant is releasing epic amounts of radiation into the ocean.
Obama: Look baby, why you always hitting me with these negative waves. I quit surfing anyhow.
Daley: Uh ...yes sir, but this might be, uh, hmm nevermind. Hey man did you see U Conn.
Obama: Hell yes baby now we are talkin !!! Go get my clubs..shit.
If I was one of that guys who believes in conspiracy theories about the "Illuminati" and other bullshit like that, I would be imagining the following plan to "kill billions of people": the Illuminati will contaminate the sea water with cesium-137, so nobody can eat fish or any kind of seafood. Then, they will start a nuclear war, wich will cause a nuclear winter, destroying crops all around the world. Without grains from the destroyed crops, the only chance people would have to survive is fishing, fishing a lot in the ocean. But that wouldn't be an option any longer, because of the radioative contamination.
Statists, please marvel at your governments and their wondrous regulation and provision of "justice" with respect to TEPCO. And lest we forget: this is a nominally private corp rubberstamped, insured and now bailed out and potentially exonerated by none other than the Japanese government, complicit in covering this all up, its own national broadcasting channel all too happy to help.
Truly, Thank you Government for all you've done for the world. We are in awe.
Oh, I see...
Private company BP makes shit in the Gulf and you blame the Government.
Private company TEPCO makes shit in Fukushima and you blame the Government.
The Government is to blame for everythig. Private companies are saints. Private companies are the true protectors of the environment.
I disagree, it's more complicated. Private companies have profit as their ulterior motive. Saying they're inherently acting on ethical grounds is incorrect. Corporations are neither good or bad IMO, they just are what they are. Don't expect tigers to start growing flowerbeds. It's not "either go 100% conspiracy" or "100% trust the government". It's somewhere in the middle, and (secret) shit does happen. I have a business too. The problem now is the "revolving door" and corruption of public representation in our governments. In this the survival motive (not the task of corporations) of our society is compromised. (by sociopaths and psychopaths) Some time ago, when leadership failed, they paid the ultimate price, be killed and discarded by competing elites. Right now that proces is held off, by transferring the costs and responsibillity on others (the citizens). The USA is the last place on earth where ordinairy Joe 6 Pack and Pete the Office Guy have grasped this idea. The cult beats the reality. The ULTIMATE inverted totalitarian state. Even in the Soviet Union, citizens knew the system was rotten.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1371416
no, as Benito Mussolini, the father of fascism, defined it - fascism is the marriage of state and corporate power.
and they're on a honeymoon that shows no signs of ending
Nuclear Sushi......YUM.
No CNBC just reported that Japanese officials claim they do not expect it to affect sea life. Between the radioactivity, the oil spill and the already high levels of mercury in some cases, I don't know if I'll ever touch anymore sea food.
No CNBC just reported that Japanese officials claim they do not expect it to affect sea life. Between the radioactivity, the oil spill and the already high levels of mercury in some cases, I don't know if I'll ever touch anymore sea food.
This is known as the Scientific Rule of Jim Belushi. If you're ingesting fatal doses of heroin, ingesting fatal doses of other toxins simultaneously has no additional incremental impact on mortality rates.
(Although CNBsC is full of shit, as always)
Most definitely a pick your poison moment.
"When all is said and done, the lies are removed, and the truth is finally revealed, this will end up being far, far worse than Chernobyl."
ZH's headless chickens are running amok once again.
Run to the nearest pharmacy and buy iodide pills! Take ten per day! Do it NOW before it is too late!
Frigging idiots...
One thing we do know is the Japanes "honor" claim is a complete farce as they continue their outright lies. Same with the Chinese as they continue to steal trade secrets.
Junk away.
As long as the 1% crowd are able to eat and drink safe food, live in and enjoy narurally pristine areas (no regard to price) there will be no change. Their moto "Let them eat Fukushima Tataki"
The Amount of Radioactive Fuel at Fukushima DWARFS Chernobyl ...
http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/04/amount-of-radioactive-fuel-at-fukushima.html
Zeolites, Iodine info....
http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/04/zeolites-iodine.html
Number of Fuel Assemblies in Cooling Pools at Fukushima Daiichi, (Reported 17 March by Japan's Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry) https://sites.google.com/site/quakejp2011/nuclear/news/fukushimadaiichin...
Capacity Irradiated Fuel Assemblies Unirradiated Fuel Assemblies Most Recent Additions of Irradiated Fuel
Unit 1 900 292 100 March 2010
Unit 2 1,240 587 28 Sept 2010
Unit 3 1,220 514 52 June 2010
Unit 4 1,590 1,331 204 Nov 2010
Unit 5 1,590 946 48 Jan 2011
Unit 6 1,770 876 64 Aug 2010
hey jimmy boy: whatever the reasons for war for $$$ let's do a little COST/RISK analysis and factor in how much MORE $$$ it will cost for this nuclear disaster over time.
Myopic is understatement. Unless Big Pharm got a cure for all sorts of cancer as funded by BP, EXXON et al.
12,000 tons of radioactive water from Fukushima to flush into ocean RT Vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFlKAh4kQdU
Search for Japan Radiation Leak Turns Desperate – Associated Press Vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKuQCwgtP0Q
West Coast Radiation Report links – Water – Milk- Air http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=205121.0
Unmitigated disaster that will curtail the lifespan of millions.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/01/fukushima-chernobyl-risks-radiationhey jimmy boy: whatever the reasons for war for $$$ let's do a little COST/RISK analysis and factor in how much MORE $$$ it will cost for this nuclear disaster over time.
Myopic is understatement. Unless Big Pharm got a cure for all sorts of cancer as funded by BP, EXXON et al.
hey jimmy boy: whatever the reasons for war for $$$ let's do a little COST/RISK analysis and factor in how much MORE $$$ it will cost for this nuclear disaster over time.
Myopic is understatement. Unless Big Pharm got a cure for all sorts of cancer as funded by BP, EXXON et al.
If you're talking to me, those calculations are a) not easy and b) pointless. Would you mind going first?
I think we should get the hell out of the Middle East and stop the imperial base fest. Covered at length elsewhere. Maybe my cocoa war joke rubbed you the wrong way. That is how Zero Hedge rolls.....so cool out, bite me, or both.
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India has imposed a three-month ban on imports of food articles from the whole of Japan on fears that radiation from an earthquake-hit nuclear plant was spreading to other parts of the country, becoming the first country to introduce a blanket ban.
The ban comes in the fourth week of unsuccessful attempts to safely secure the Fukushima nuclear power plant in central Japan crippled by an earthquake and tsunami in what could be the world's biggest nuclear disaster in a quarter of a century.
"Import of food articles coming from Japan stand suspended with immediate effect for a period of three months or till such time as credible information is available that the radiation hazard has subsided to acceptable limits," a statement from the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare said.
"After detailed discussions, it was concluded that since the radiation is spreading/expanding horizontally in other parts of Japan, it may result in further radioactive contamination in the supply chain of food exports from Japan," the statement added.
India mainly imports a small volume of processed food items, fruits and vegetable from Japan.
What the hell is the US waiting for? Japan needs to be quarantined now. Nothing in or out. Sorry guys, you made your bed, now sleep in it.
So will this be the death or savior of the bluefin tuna?
Both. Bye bye old tuna. Hello 3 eyed mutants.
the good thing is...now i don't feel so bad about what a clusterfuck hurricane katrina was.
Party on garth.
There is absolutely no reason to dump radioactive water into the ocean. You can buy a barge and pump and store it aboard until processed. These people are nut cases.
blinky sashimi
http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Blinky
Drop It Like It's Hot
Iron Chef Battle Sushi
Judges Table Glows
In jr. high you should have learned something about the food chain. Poison in the water will eventually poison everything.
With oil in massive amounts in the Atlantic, radiation in the Pacific the worlds food chain will be or is broken. Canned goods have shelf life of 2 years. Dehydrated food has a much longer shelf life, up to 15 years if stored properly. Think rice and beans. Also start storing clean water. Other stories that did not stay on line very long: -oil slick spotted in Gulf- so that BP leak is still leaking -Dead marine life washing up on East coast up by 4 times reg. amount -Japan to close all their Toyota plants in USA
Smothered and Covered in less than a month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZHFK0vWKpU
Oh-Oh... but what about about the Ocean?!? (hand wringing). That damage is done, and will continue. Work the problem that is biting (killing) you presently - site exposure.
1)I do not advocate bunker buster technology. Sappers are more accurate.
2)Remove as much intact spent fuel to Mushu
2)Load the site with surface boron before the shot if you like.
3)Shake-no-stir
4)Yes the ocean will initially flood your new tidal basin(s) - it cools and covers.
5)Start dike /seawall containment and surface-cap mitigation
The entire site is earth covered from the blast and drops below the waterline minimizing both contact and flows. You can then remote-float pre-positioned barges over the ponds to deliver concrete. The USDOE nuke computers can match seismology/geology/pyrotechnics to avoid ripping japan in two - maybe?
Plowshare it now - or - keep pissing on it for a decade (or two....)
"This means Godzilla is most likely very close to hatching".
LOL in my office, I had a visual of this....
When he hatches, what will be the first thing he does?
sign a shoe contract with Nike?
OK, so in this case, I'm going to make like an eagle here:
Tyler, you gotta stop this, its just creating panic!! and people might due DD in this issue. any UBerEXpErienCedJanitOrKnOWs...the cheapest most available, most effective<unimaginably strong> of any other cleaner.... anywhere....ever...is???? <retaw>
disclaimer: previous employers of mine had me listed as a member of the emergency first response teams for areas that have halon systems. at this company they had tanks so big, itd take 3 railroad cars to fill them. i joined the team realizing, at this job, if a fire had broke out..there would be no sense in running away as even the fastest cars in the parking lot (worst case) wouldn't be fast enough. my first day on the job, this was a question i was asked if i knew. not many would understand these factors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water
lets find a third party to do dd between the carcinogenic attributes of a few control groups.
1. worst case(I'd even offer to give this case a weighted factor of 10 fold)now imagined, compared to total estimated sum quantity of water, lets say the northern hemisphere(from a distance you can tell its already more than that, so)
compare it to total carcinogenic constant of<pick an item>, I'd propose looking into hotdogs, any brand so long as the hotdogs color is pink, also lets add something that right on the box say SAFE! NON-TOXIC, like maybe crayola crayons.
do the step by step reseach into of the ingredients of (aswell quanties of inside). and i'd think i'd produce much less panic about this meltdown as a GLOBALOMGWERERALLGONNADIETHING
a starting place could be www.hazard.com
Swimming in the ocean is not a problem.
Eating food from the ocean IS a problem.
i dare ya to eat a hotdog....
http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/06/10/11/what-is-really-in-a-hot-dog-...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_nitrite
A principal concern about sodium nitrite is the formation of carcinogenic nitrosamines in meats containing sodium nitrite when meat is charred or overcooked. Such carcinogenic nitrosamines can be formed from the reaction of nitrite with secondary amines under acidic conditions (such as occurs in the human stomach) as well as during the curing process used to preserve meats. Dietary sources of nitrosamines include US cured meats preserved with sodium nitrite as well as the dried salted fish eaten in Japan. In the 1920s, a significant change in US meat curing practices resulted in a 69% decrease in average nitrite content. This event preceded the beginning of a dramatic decline in gastric cancer mortality.[14] About 1970, it was found that ascorbic acid (vitamin C), an antioxidant, inhibits nitrosamine formation.[15] Consequently, the addition of at least 550 ppm of ascorbic acid is required in meats manufactured in the United States. Manufacturers sometimes instead use erythorbic acid, a cheaper but equally effective isomer of ascorbic acid. Additionally, manufacturers may include alpha-tocopherol (vitamin E) to further inhibit nitrosamine production. Alpha-tocopherol, ascorbic acid, and erythorbic acid all inhibit nitrosamine production by their oxidation-reduction properties. Ascorbic acid, for example, forms dehydroascorbic acid when oxidized, which when in the presence of nitrous anhydride, a potent nitrosating agent formed from sodium nitrate, reduces the nitrous anhydride into the nitric oxide gas.[16] Note that Nitrous Anhydride does not exist[17] in vitro.
Sodium nitrite consumption has also been linked to the triggering of migraines in individuals who already suffer from them.[18]
A recent study has found a correlation between highly frequent ingestion of meats cured with pink salt and the COPD form of lung disease. The study's researchers suggest that the high amount of nitrites in the meats was responsible; however, the team did not prove the nitrite theory. Additionally, the study does not prove that nitrites or cured meat caused higher rates of COPD, merely a link. The researchers did adjust for many of COPD's risk factors, but they commented they cannot rule out all possible unmeasurable causes or risks for COPD.[19][20]
....you should do more research
So does nitrous anhydride stick around in the body for 24,000 years. Rads are a whole other ball game and you know it. Or should.
The body has ways of removeing toxins, but it cant seem to tell the difference from radioactive and non-radioactive.
The best you can hope for are localized burns and benign tumors.
Plants and short lifespan life will do well. Vary long lived non-plants such as humans not so well.
My doctor Would agree with you 110% - good for bladder cancers
i never ate enuf sushi and now i cant care
Bagels, lox, cream cheese, onions, and tomatoes.
Jewish sushi.
hey forgot the capers it rocks wit capers matey...
It appears TEPCO's plan all the way along was to just wash all the leaked radioactive materials into the sea. Once it's all gone they can see if there are any intact fuel rods that need cleaning up.
I always wondered why they built those things so close to shore but now we know. "Leaked fuel disposal".
Glow in the dark uni..... mmmmmmmm yummy!
Tepco is a joke, them and BP need to go to hell. The radiation is certainly not harmless, and certainly can't be contained. How long is it before radiation reaches Hawai'i? Don't eat seafood there, whatever you do!
www.forecastfortomorrow.com