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As TEPCO Reports Increased Possible Radiation Release, Japan Expands Voluntary Evacuation Radius To 30 km
The latest news from Fukushima continue progressing from bad to worse. Which of course means that the (physical) silver lining around the mushroom cloud will be that much more potent: after all, the greater the destruction, the higher the Russell 2000. Just ask the Keynesians.
- FUKUSHIMA REACTOR VESSEL MAY HAVE STUCK VALVE, UCS SAYS
- TEPCO FINDS POOLED WATER AT ALL FOUR TROUBLED REACTORS: KYODO
- INCREASED RADIATION RELEASE FROM FUKUSHIMA POSSIBLE, UCS SAYS
This in turn has prompted the Japanese government to increase the "voluntary" evacuation radius from 20 to 30 kms, finally. Shortly, this will be 80. But not before many more innocent people are irradiated and sacrificed at the altar of Nikkei 10,000 (and RUT 36,000).
From Kyodo:
The Japanese government on Friday encouraged people living within 20 to 30 kilometers of the troubled nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture to leave voluntarily, citing concerns over access to daily necessities, while maintaining its directive for them to remain indoors and for residents within 20 km of the plant to evacuate.
The government asked heads of affected municipalities to encourage people to voluntarily move farther away, promising to provide its full support in helping them to relocate, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told a news conference.
But he stopped short of declaring an evacuation advisory to avoid fanning fears about the increasing danger of radiation leaks, despite criticism from concerned municipalities and local residents of the central government's ''slow response'' over the evacuation instruction.
On a possible new directive from the government, Edano said the Nuclear Safety Commission of Japan is looking into the possibility of whether an evacuation directive can be issued on the basis of living conditions rather than safety concerns. Evacuation directives to date have all been linked to concerns about radiation levels.
In a televised message to the public, Prime Minister Naoto Kan said his government is basing its decisions regarding evacuation advisories on the judgment of nuclear experts mainly from the commission.
The Nuclear Safety Commission of Japan, a government panel, also recommended voluntary evacuation the same day for residents 20 to 30 km from the Fukushima Daiichi complex, saying the release of radioactive materials from the plant is expected to continue for some time.
Bearing in mind the shortage of supplies for people stuck indoors within the 30-km radius, the government had been looking into possibly extending its evacuation range but, according to a government source, decided against it because expanding the directive simply because of living conditions would ''cause confusion.''
The government is not planning at the moment to expand the designated exclusion zone, Edano said, noting there has been no fresh information about the levels of radiation since the government issued its directives.
With many affected residents already voluntarily evacuating from around the plant and more wanting to follow, Edano said it is ''preferable'' for people to leave of their own accord, given the difficulties they are encountering in their daily lives.
In the meantime, now that Tokyo has neither running nor bottled water, those particular 14 million residents are certainly giving a long hard look at at the voluntary evacuation option themselves. Which will be GDP bullish.
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I can't see how this matters, as AAPL is nearing it all time high....
That is because the chips are down (as in Supply) but not out, yet.
I think we'll see a sharp drop in Apple quality in general, because they were built from many Japanese components with Chinese assembly.
Then, hopefully, finally, we'll see a large drop in Apple.
ORI
In the meantime, now that Tokyo has neither running nor bottled water, those particular 14 million residents are certainly giving a long hard look at at the voluntary evacuation option themselves.
Tokyo doesn't have running water, or it doesn't have non-irradiated, running water?
After reading the following, I can understand why the Kirin brewery in Sendai was looted and stripped bare.
"Drinking Beer Reduces Radiation-induced Chromosome Aberrations in Human Lymphocytes"
http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jrr/43/3/43_237/_article/-char/en
Ha! I thought the media was just not reporting looting.
I guess those Japanese must have been from Africa, right Trav?
Get with the program people, only black people loot. The Japanese citizens found the beer!
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2005/Whites-Find-Blacks-Loot30aug05.htm
I've seen no report on any looting in Japan.
all you have is your bullshit as usual.
There were a very few whites in NO who looted, sure. As I'm sure there maybe was one or 2 japs who did too.
Compare that to the other groups. Go ahead. Take a look at the famous NO Walmart looting video.
You people are sofa king stupid.
I can't find any reference that running water has been cut off.
The Tyler(s) got this detail wrong.
Though you might not want to drink what's coming out of the tap.
japan is finished. so is the united states. perhaps some of you laughed when i talked about haarp and i asked the question, is this the end of japan, hmmmm???? i mean after all, for the layman out here to see what is going on and the great question had to come to the fertile mind, is this the end of one of the world's great economic powerhouses? then we see how the japanese have been really not with it, when it comes to this NWO stuff........well it all kind of ties in .....
muy interesante, no?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1yIfOYQWxA
take the time to watch all of this video. please. book reports due by tomorrow morning.
Its all a planned takedown, yet the free-range american neandersheep just contentedly cintinue chewing their cud.
Neandersheep. Nice.
Chewing their cRud. yick!
I used to really like living in America, once upon a time....in the west.
ORI
The bottom is....HAARP is real and man can cause earthquakes. PERIOD.
Check out what the History channel has to say about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1jIjx0XF_U
The bottom is....HAARP is real and ...
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Bzzzzzt!
Not just false, but patently false.
See debunk: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/radioactive-zirconium-found-fukushima-c...
I followed your link and didn't notice the debunking of ANYTHING, trav's cousin (the 7777 is a dead give-away). But I did watch that video (made me miss Strategy Session on CNBC, darn! </sarc>) and the guy presents some interesting - and frightening - ideas.
I don't know about anybody else, but I'm convinced our government tells us about 2% of what's really going on through their media allies, who are given about 5% of the truth, so, if the govt. is controlling weather - who believes straight-line clouds that criss-cross each other are natural occurrences or "contrails?" - the master plan would explain a lot of things, like why this nuclear event isn't being fixed, why the mortgage/foreclosure/banking situation remains below the fold - I've been in FC for a year as of the 28th of this month - 3 days hence - and not a single motion or peep from BofA in 9 months.
Why? They don't care. When the real SHTF my little shack will be nothing to them. Also, their already well-overcooked books are no longer a concern since the currency is a complete sick joke, as is this limited war in Libya, as is the new leak in the GOM, as is the debt ceiling, Obama-care and just about anything else you can think of.
None of it matters a bit when compared to the shit-storm coming before the 2012 elections. Why do you think all this 2012 voodoo is allowed to circulate? And why Ponzi schemes involving all euro and US debt go on in routine fashion? None of it matters. Larger changes are coming. The nuclear fallout and other "natural" disasters will be blamed in the media as the causes of the ongoing depression.
Think about it, folks. No meaningful legislation from congress on jobs, the budget, the debt, while the pres plays golf. And not a single Republican has emerged as a candidate to run in 2012, like ubummer is unbeatable. The game is on. And it's getting serious.
I followed your link and didn't notice the debunking of ANYTHING ...
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You found a Failure by another poster to provide any insight on the first principles of how HAARP works ... still waiting on that one - all he could do was hand-wave ... meanwhile it was shown:
HAARP EM energy only works on the Ionosphere, NOT the troposphere, so, how does it perform the 'magic' you guys claim?
Ionosphere begins at 85 km altitude, WELL above weather ...
HAARP has an planar antenna array of 12 x 15 active crossed-dipole elements with a facility fed by 6 on-site diesel generators .. not some Area 51 derived off-planet 'power plant' ... you missed that part too?
You saw none of that?
Pls tell us you are not deficient in a 'hard science' background as most HARRP hobby-horse riders seem to be - unable to read a patent or a schematic diagram?
Surely you do not believe every technological fairy-tale that comes along?
How do you do any wise tech investing if you are unable to properly evaluate far-out 'claims' by the hucksters out there?
Luck?
trav's cousin (the 7777 is a dead give-away).
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Unaware victim of 'stimulus generalization' and -
Obviously never had any left-seat training in a small (or large) aircraft (not a pilot) and CERTAINLY no A/C transponder exposure ...
He postulates that matt simmons was murdered. I had heard he died of a heart attack while in his hot tub, something not unheard of for a older man but I must say how convenient it was for this to happen. he was the only one talking about 100k psi pressures and how it was impossible to cap etc.......i used to hear some guy on the radio talk about the madrid fault line all of the time and how there would be earthquake along that line etc....he also said that a lot of ex navy retirees are moving to the ozarks etc and this was because they had seen that map he was showing in the video of the coastlines covered in water etc.....i have seen what a 50 foot tall tsunami can do. i wonder what a 1000 ft tall tsunami can do?
On the open ocean, a tsunami wave is little more than a foot high (I have read), but full of energy. The size of the tsunami wave at landfall is a function of the slope of the ocean bottom rising up to meet the beach. Where in the world is there such a slope that can generate a 1,000 foot tall tsunami?
Yes, there is a strong scientific correlation between changes or alterations to the Earth's magnetic field and seismic activity. The CERN institute (Large Hadron Collider) may be equally culpable.
Methinks your foil-beanie is strapped on too tight, or you really have been downing serotonin by the dump truckload!
Other than 17 workers who were irradiated at the actual plants, nobody else has received anywhere close to enough radioactive material to do anything whatsoever.
Im not saying that the exposure and laking of Iodione or Caesium or other radioactive elements is a good thing, not at all...what Im saying is that there is a difference between a truly Dangerous Exposure and simply exposure.
Every friggin time you buy a smoke detector, you are exposed to damaging Alpha radiation, wheras the Iodine is Gama...Every time you step outside and expose yourself to the sun you are recieving radiation, everytime you get a CAT-Scan, MRI or X-Ray you are getting relatively Large doses of the same type of radiation that the miniscule levels they have detected far away from the reactors.
I guess it just pisses me off to hear the term "How many more innocent people will....be sacrificed" - Really? - That just a comment from someone who doesnt understand Radiation, Radioactive Materials, and the DIFFERENT types of radiation emmmited from DIFFERENT elements.
I wonder if this person knows that millions of americans breath in "unhealthy" levels of naturally occuring Radon Gas ion the US each year, 99.999% Dont get sick. I wonder if this person knows that Brick-Houses have anywhere from 2 to 10X the normal level of background radiation because the bricks contain naturaly occuring low-level radiactive elements from the natural decay of ancient uranium?
He also probably doesnt understand the difference between Alpha, Beta and Gamma radiation, the impact to the Human cell an DNA of each type, nor the difference between being EXPOSED to radiation V.S. Ingesting or Being CONTAMINATED with it.
Exposure is FAR better than Contamination...please people, do research before getting on the "Were all gunna die" bandwagon.
i love the smell of ann coulter in the morning.
Thats a MAN, baby!
http://www.hoolinet.com/StrapOnVets/tabid/278/Default.aspx
ok, there has been some playing around with photoshop but she does have a adam's apple.....
ha ha, ha
I do not know, I would not mind tying it up and having it say in a soft voice ""burgeoning evidence that excess radiation operates as a sort of cancer vaccine." as I use a horse whip on it's back.
Wow.
You guys are twisted.
Can I watch?
a mini-skirted hyena
Possibly the most repulsive thing I've read in my entire life.
She remind me of a rotting cadaver with make up. The soul and its vessel is in that case a perfect match.
<< ann coulter in the morning. >>
Is that the source of all that accumulated plaque ?
That brings me way-back to the old collegiate days when I'd wake n' bake with something or other lying next to me that I wasn't quite sure was either animal, vegetable or mineral...
And not even care.
Next stop, the infirmary for a blood test.
Maybe you should be working on checking off items from the 'things to do before I die' list.
You like the smell of man ass?
The MSM is constantly conflating exposure and contamination. And trying to spike the facts buried in the information they are dribbling out--which is that there have been core containment breaches, there is no backup plan, and contamination is spreading.
If the 'neutron beam' story is true, if it indicates that they scanned an area 13 times with a detector and actually detected a 'beam', what are the implications of that?
The implication is, sustained emission of the worst byproducts, with little hope of containing them soon. I'm not (wasn't) anti-nuke, and am not the panic-stricken type. But it appears the 'Information Control Authority' is trying to prevent a panic instead of telling the truth. I hope I'm wrong.
Daily, incidental eposure is vastly different from what is going on in Japan.
>>>I guess it just pisses me off to hear the term "How many more innocent people will....be sacrificed" - Really? - That just a comment from someone who doesnt understand Radiation, Radioactive Materials, and the DIFFERENT types of radiation emmmited from DIFFERENT elements.<<<
I think you don't understand that it is just a matter of time.
Many people died from exposure due to open air testing of nuclear bombs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strontium-90
You might want to look at some longitudinal numbers from Chernobyl to get a hint of what could happen.
"...showed that children born after 1963 had levels of 90Sr in their deciduous teeth that was 50 times higher than that found in children born before the advent of large-scale atomic testing. The findings helped convince U.S. President John F. Kennedy to sign the Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty..."
This proves the the point about not believing everything you read on Wikipedia...
I only have one wish before I step on that "we're all gonna die bandwagon..."
An IGNORE button for complete idiots like you.
@ Obaminator
Exposure is FAR better than Contamination...please people, do research before getting on the "Were all gunna die" bandwagon.
Are u fucking serious....are you one of the Kool Aid kids from KKKKarl Denningers site paying for a gold star?
I bet your Kool Aid is cesium 10000 improved.
Gold Star? I was waiting for a plutonium one.
Last time I checked, we're all gunna die anyway.
The koolaid cronies at tickerforum say everyone here is fearmongering, dissing the zerohedge and it's top dog, Tyler.
One of his stick pussy followers begged not to be banned! Cause he was quoting a source that #3 was breached!
HA HA HA HA HA & the dick weasel has a gold star!
LOL! LOL!!!
Isn't dick weasel , denningers real name?
You know this how...
At least ann coulter won't be sitting alone on her upcoming vacation to Tokyo.
just spring cleaning on the USS Ronald Regan, nothing happening here, move on, move on
I wonder how many of those men on that carrier will get cancer later on in life now, that is if they survive the third world war.......which is doubtful.........
Even the survivors will be executed like the Nazi Jewish 'Freicorps'.
This is well beyond fucked up now. With radiation 10,000 times normal, just how in the hell are they supposed to go in and fix anything?
Unless they form a kamikazi brigade of people whi want to volunteer to run in for thirty minutes, turn some bolts, then come outside with a fatal dose of radiation, this thing will begin to spin uncontrollably away from anything approaching stable.
I would guess that if these reactors and spent fuel melt down, we can expect all life in the sea to die within a relatively short period, as the materials will most certainly get in to the water table, then migrate to the sea.
Thanks GE! What the fuck happened to "We bring good things to life"? Probably the same thing that happened to Google's "Don't be evil".
Money, it corrupts.....absolutely.
Obama and other world leaders too busy with March Madness Final Four to be bothered with such trivialities.
10,000 times above normal directly AT the Friggin Reactor...DOOOOOH!!! No crap it is. The friggin Fuel Cells MELTED, probably cracked/damaged the 10-inch think Steel Reactor and is not NOT Molten anymore, but still the radioactive products are getting washed out with the water injections.
At the Gates, 1 Km away the radiation levels are barely above normal.
Fudge....I thought Z-Hedge had smarter people reading it....do some friggin research!
Japan store shelves empty, water gone...NAH nothin to see here folks!
NOT Molten anymore?
Then why pour water on it?
troll suck puppets. Got a love em and feel sorry for their lack of brain power.
Chill out dickhead.
Yes, 10,000 times above normal directly AT the friggin reactor.
And in order to contain this monstrosity you have to be directly AT the friggin reactor.
And if you think radiation readings are "barely above normal" 1Km away, go and stand there for a while (your wife and kids too) and then come back and report on it.
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Meanwhile, at Chiba, 200km away and close to Tokyo, the vegetables are contaminated over the limit and can't be sold. New definition of the inverse square law?
on Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:50
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10,000 times above normal directly AT the Friggin Reactor...DOOOOOH!!! No crap it is. The friggin Fuel Cells MELTED, probably cracked/damaged the 10-inch think Steel Reactor and is not NOT Molten anymore, but still the radioactive products are getting washed out with the water injections.
At the Gates, 1 Km away the radiation levels are barely above normal.
Fudge....I thought Z-Hedge had smarter people reading it....do some friggin research!
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NHK News Troll or a sheep of KKKKarl Denninger's
Take ur pic both the same
TROLL ALERT****************************TROLL ALERT
"At the Gates, 1 Km away the radiation levels are barely above normal."
It's too bad they can't fucking fix the reactors from 1 Km away, then isn't it? Dumbfuck.
It's also too bad that dumbfuck troll/shills rely on CPM counts being reported by "official" sources.
Barely above normal? Yesterday we read that it was 500 mS/hr at the gate.
Wear boots next time, and limit exposure time.
Tokyo has no water? Yikes. That's not good.
I know for a fact there's 64 million Chinese housing units not being used.
Water situation unknown.
But! But! But:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/imf-prepares-threat-international-monet...
Beware of loop effect
Guys:
Wow........the market marches ever higher. Seriously guys....we are in the crack up boom. Anyone figured out when to pull the trigger and bail? Then - apart from PM's (which I already have).....what the hell do you do with the cash????
Marches desperately higher. However still around 1999 levels, purchasing power adjusted the equity markets are no big deal, just an illusion really. I'd suggest using cash to buy lots of bottled water, food, firearms. Soon there will be a time when a piece of paper stock means nothing, and a case of water means youre a local kingpin.
Im thinking of buying booze with my cash...its always in demand.
Were in a square not amigo...there are NO good investments right now. Hold any PM you have, and slowly methodically watch the purchasing power of your dollars vanish.
Its been done 4 other times since 1913...the last was trippling-quadrupaling costs of normal every day stuff from late 60's to mid 80's...that would be a 75% reduction in the value of a 1964 dollar vs a 1984 dollar...since 1984 weve lost another 60-66%...the dollar today buys what literally $0.02 - two cents bought in 1913.
basatrds!
Booze, water, cigarettes, and sex (helps if you're a nymphette for the last one). The new (and old) alternative currencies.
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During ze war in europe, a good spiv could supplement his income by selling girls tights, lipstick, cigarettes, booze and suchlike on the black market. I'm not sure what todays' equivelents would be?
Buy or build a still.
teach a man to distill and he's drunk for life, but buy him a drink and he'll be mooching smokes off you all night long.
With apologies to the credo of Give a man a fish and he's fed for a day, but teach him to fish and he's set for life.
Seriously, sugar, water, yeast and a still - booze, booze, booze, booze.
The BATF may see it differently, this offer void where prohibited.
One-way plane ticket to Uruguay. Or, considering that I probably won't be able to leave the country by air, I may just train it to the Mexican border, walk across and keep heading South by bus, train, etc.
How did they run that damn extension cord anyway? Where is it plugged in? What happened to all those generators they claimed would save the day?
All these reports say "TEPCO sources" or "Government Officials". Never a name or even a title. Who in the hell is running things? Is there a boss anywhere?
Chef: Did you find the CO, Captain?
Willard: There's no fucking CO here.
Charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets in the Indy 500
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/the-daily-need/how-much-radiation-i...
I am truly wondering where a walk through a TSA scanner would fit into this chart
"sacrificed at the altar of Nikkei 10,000"
AVE, PURE POETRY!
All we need is Godzilla to come along and pick up their houses and move them elsewhere. Then they can evacuate while staying indoors!
so 20km radius to 30km radius means the area has expanded from about 450 square miles to 1000 square miles. Getting close to the size of rhode island is 'voluntary' evacuated. Personally if i was living anywhere close to that area i'd be long gone.
Nomination for most flagrant example of Newspeak and issue-framing yet:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/25/japan.nuclear.reactors/index...
Linked to by Drudge. EVERY SINGLE paragraph is skewed. It would be funny if it weren't so tragic. Nonsense, contradictions, Lithium.
A few examples, it is too target-rich to point them all out:
Ha! 'Some sort of leakage' and 'possible break'. Give US a break.
Please.
Various? What? Hope and pray?
More?? If you know it's more, then how much more?
Those are dosimeter readings presumably. Guess what the intensity was on their feet? And why didn't they know not to get their feet wet in there? Presumably they might have been told,
Oh. Boiling it lowers its radioactivity. OK, then. Right.
Pressure led to explosions? Cripes. Controlling temperature and pressure has been 'difficult'? (This is getting beyond nauseous.) Um, unless it cooled substantially, and there is no evidence or expectation for that, the decrease in pressure means another LEAK.
It goes on and on. Parsing this stuff is beyond scatological.
Oh, how I hate the MSM.
This is why the incompetence theory of history breaks down. It is simply impossible for any news organization to be this malignantly stupid, accidentally framing the issue with the turn of every single phrase. This is raw malevolence.
Isn't an ankle-height boot traditionally called a shoe? I'm surprised TEPCO didn't just send them splashing and playing in the water in flip-flops!
Please, have some sensitivity. It's pronounced "frip-frops"
Apparently, TEPCO didn't have a policy/protocol mandating fully-encapsulating Level "A" proximity suits. Yes, these suits are very uncomfortable and awkward to work in, although keeping the radioactive contamination from making direct skin contact should be an obvious precaution.
It's almost unbelievable that those guys didn't know better than to get their feet wet in there. It's equally unbelievable they weren't required to wear boots in the first place.
It's unconscionable that they would send unwitting stooges in to do the emergency work.
How do you say FEMA in Japanese?
FUKU
Was there not a huge contrarian argument here 2 days ago that this was all hysterical, alarmist, dis-info?
I felt it...
NASA REPORTS: THE FUKUSHIMA 50 CAN NOW BE SEEN FROM SPACE
Fukushima=BP Corexit on steroids
Nobel Laureate Physiologist George Wald said no level of radiation is safe
Million people so far died from Chernobyl and may from DU use in MEHNA (Afghanistan, Hawaii, Iraq, Libya)
Fukushima radioactivity release already far exceeds Chernobyl
Radiation release reported as microsieverts when it was actually millisieverts, 1000 times more radiation
Welder reported flawed reactor containment vessel welds to Toshiba and TEPCO, who covered it up rather than lose big OPM bucks on the contract
Backup disesel generators blamed on EQ and Tsunami after maintenance checks and mechanical failures covered up in USA also
0 gave $4 B taxpayer dollars to TEPCO, mishandling Fukushima, to build two Toshiba "Westnghouse" reactyors on Gulf Coast
Mass emigration of industrious thrifty Japanese to empty homes in melting pot America might benefit both countries
Bernanke put naked
Just saying
Further non corporate government monopoly reality reading:
http://www.uncommonthought.com/mtblog/archives/cat_environment.php
You have your facts wrong. Over 14 Trillion people (not counting foetuses) have died from DU. And 60 trillion bilion were killed in the Iraq war.
War is a bitch bitchez.
This situation is just tragically overwhelming......where will all these people go?
Truely sad
Where will they go to die? Who will care for them when they're sick and dying? The children?
Half of the blue fin tuna spawned off Honshu this summer along with some portion of those spawned last year, will depart Honshu soon on a 3 month crossing to the US west coast; Japanese aren't buying their local fish now, and I'll venture that the 2012 west coast-baja blue-fin tuna harvest won't be popular either.
So if we'll be taking radiation readings on next year's tuna catch, and on other fish, how about coastal ocean water, beach water, and the beach? Is this how we will discover the breadth and depth of a radiation disaster, or will nature and time somehow absorb the poison?
Word.
Here is the real situation, instead of this zero hedge crap:
http://www.nisa.meti.go.jp/english/files/en20110325-5-2.pdf
"In the meantime, now that Tokyo has neither running water..."
Would you care to back that up with actual facts, instead of this panicky BS.
Figuratively speaking Deutsche Bank, would you drink the tap water? Give it to your kids?
Yes. Don't allow your peanut sized brain to think, "drinkable" running water when reading that sentence.
Douchebag.
"Deutsche Bank", please there are sensitive little bitches like Marcy McGoldrick around.
"In one Tokyo ward, Katsushika, a water sample that was taken on Tuesday and publicised on Wednesday had contained more than double the legal limit for infants, at 210 becquerels per kilogram.
But the level fell back to 79 in a test today, a Tokyo official said. The upper limits are 100 becquerels for infants and 300 for older people"
You must be one of those reality challenged yanks, yes?
Answer the question Deutsche Bank, would you give your child the tap water?
If the answer is no then the rhetorical license taken by TD is perfectly reasonable.
Some water wells have 500-1000 Bq/kg from radon and those cases using active filters or airing the water is recommended. So I would give Tokyo tap water to kids.
You won't answer the direct question, that is "your" kids real or theoretical.
In any event, rhetorical license not sensationalism.
YES YES YES, I WOULD GIVE TOKYO TAP WATER TO MY KIDS.
Is that clear enough for you?
Yep.
Enjoy your three eyed grandchildren.
Lying Mutherfucker
your kids or just 'kids?'
"...your kids." He mean't 'your kids'.
Just sayin...
got it
It's also a Goddamned easy thing to say when your ass is parked somewhere outside of Asia. Perhaps you would give it to your kids if there was no choice. But anybody who tells me they'd give it and be happy about it is lying through their teeth.
Which is why I get so hacked off at the people downplaying this. They accuse us of selfish panic, yet can find no empathy for those who are there? Imagine how those people would feel after having to give poisoned water (no matter how fucking small the level) to their children because they HAVE NO OTHER OPTION, only to go online and find these shitass skanktwats saying it's no big deal? Internet tough guy aside, I'm telling you right now that anybody spouting that shit around me would be likely to be ordering the soup for a month or two.
Sorry, I missed this earlier.
You and me, both, brother.
Some of these people are just sociopathic assholes.
I can't imagine they much give shit though.
Japan Expands Voluntary Evacuation radius .... Key word here is VOLUNTARY. If they keep expanding the voluntary evacuation distances they limit themselves to liability. Sorry you are dying but don't say we didn't warn you first. Why didn't you take our advice and simply leave? When they recommend voluntary evacuations for Tokyo you know they have suceeded in protecting their Corporate interests from 14 million law suits.
"FUKUSHIMA REACTOR VESSEL MAY HAVE STUCK VALVE, UCS SAYS"
It's stuck alright, stuck in the mud 200 yards away where it wound up after the building exploded.
Voluntary Evacuation is 140 miles away" as the wind blows" in Tokyo...
a penetrating Australian investigative video report into Fukushima :-
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20110321/japan/
The MOST important lesson we need to learn from this is never, ever trust the MSM or Govt. to give you the facts if those facts might possibly cause the thought of a PANIC.
Make up your own minds. Is a mill-micro-rad of radiation enough to make you go from 15km to 20km away? Or should you be 30km away?
I mean WFT. SIX reactors damaged and 4 FUBAR.
Your town in ruins, your workplace shut down, no word from the Govt/TEPCO on when this thing ends.
People of Japan
RUN. RUN NOW. Get as far away from that F-U SHIMA as you can.
You are being told not to panic, in fact, not to do ANYTHING extreme to protect your health in so many just bizarre ways. The water has acceptable levels of radiation, the food is ok to eat if your old enough, the radiation is like smoking cigarettes, if you're far enough away its like getting a chest x-ray, the FU50 are fighting hard, the power is back on, the situation is stabilizing, the firefighters are there, the helicopters are there, the water is there, the reactor has damage but it is controlled, somethings are improving... and so on FOREVER.
You will never be told the truth about this catastrophe. EVER.
Throughout history, there have been catastrophes and the public is always told not to panic.
Yeah, don't panic, (I dont think anybody even panics about anything anymore except the s&p down 2% in a day).
But GET THE F*%K OUT AS FAST AND AS FAR AS YOU CAN. What's the downside? You come home in a month and you were wrong, the Govt and TEPCO were right and it was all just a bad dream.
Like sleeping in a brick house, smoking cigarettes, exposed to Radon with a frickin CAT scan spinning around your chest all night long!
Go back to tea party kindergarten...NOW! There you can play with other "special" children like you.
Tim. Take the facts and commentary here for what it is. An alternative to what you are being told by the media to satisfy the lowest common denominator, i.e. generate ratings.
Tea party kindergarten is pretty funny but "special" that's just plain mean.
My point was pretty simple, use your own common sense to guide your actions. When there are extreme events, it is probably wise to take extreme actions to protect yourself.
Debate my conclusions and argument. Oh, no. That takes too much work.
Just shoot the messenger and call them names. So much easier for your level of education, which I'm guessing is what, some college but no degree?
Hey, go easy on us college dropouts.
debate? You offered no evidence whatsoever to support your asinine opinion.
If you're reading posts on this site I assume you have a working knowledge of the situation by now.
The point of the tread is that Govt advises a voluntary evacuation from 20km to 30km.
Are the people of Japan are being told the truth or not?
Well why don't you just tell them what to DO? You seem to know everything about everything and spend all your time on this site.
Is it 20km 30km or 0? What's your advice?
p.s. that fuck-face avatar of yours with bitchez on all your posts really makes you super-duper cool!
I told them what to do. Then within 2 days, everyone from douchinger to NHK was aping me.
I will also tell YOU what to do: STFU
Enough is just about fucking enough. Now you have yourself convinced the whole world is "aping" YOU? Holy shit for self important! Please correct me if I'm wrong, but in the beginning, for two fucking days you downplayed this shit like it was nothing. "Oh! Everybody here is a Tin Foil Helmet Idiot!" Then George Washington and "somebody" just about simultaneously brought up spent fuel pools, and you were off to the fucking races like a Nobel Physics prizewinner. Give me a fucking break, Trav. YOU are officially heading into STFU territory.
"...there have been catastrophes and the public is always told not to panic."
Well, not always: The most accurate earthquake prediction ever made was in Haicheng, China on Feb. 4th, 1975, when unusual animal and insect behavior, well-water level changes, gas emissions and a sudden cessation of EQ activity prompted officials to order a million residents out of their homes into the snow, saving 100s of thousands of lives as homes collapsed 5 hours later. American science in general and overlapping federal emergency cabals in particular will never reach the life-saving decision level that saved these Chinese lives.
Don't panic scene from airplane 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4f4_cW3MA0&NR=1
Just heard from FB friend that she wasn't allowed to take bottled water intended for an infant in Tokyo on a Seoul-Tokyo flight last night .
After all, Tokyo tap water now safe.
I said it before and I say it again.
This is just the beginning when exponential growth is occuring and toxic waste enters the equation:
Big pharm will go ballistic on Radioactivity.
Starting slow:
12:35p
BREAKING
FDA approves Bristol-Myers Squibb skin cancer drug
Fight club my ass...this site is a headless chickens in panic mode - club. Every day there is at least one "we are all gonna DIE!"-article.
You are always free to leave.
tim73 wrote:
Fight club my ass...this site is a headless chickens in panic mode - club. Every day there is at least one "we are all gonna DIE!"-article.
Indeed.
Chicken Little Club.
Not Fight Club.
The site motto needs to be changed to "never waste an opportunity to hysterically panic."
i mean, FIGHT club?
The people here are too scared of their own shadows to ever be in a fight. They'd run the fuck away bleating at the first bruise.
Got to argue with you on this one, Trav. I've never panicked, not tried to overplay anything, mostly just asked questions, and (yes) lamented the fact that we aren't being told SHIT. (And at the same time acknowledged plausible reasons for a news blackout).
Yet I have been argued with, called names and ridiculed, simply for practicing one principle: Question, listen and learn.
I'm an admitted moonbat, but I buy into very few conspiracies. I've MULTIPLE times told people that the info. we're receiving from the EPA is accurate. Know why? Because it makes sense. It runs concurrent with info. from people monitoring on the ground. And believe me, if it didn't, I'd be screaming it from the rooftops. The fact that it backs the position that the US isn't going to be adversely affected by this only leads to more attacks. My "sky is falling" posts are feeling for the people IN Japan. I've called for US citizens to use learn from this example, only to be attacked again. (Anybody look at a map of the nuke plants in the U.S.?)
I have not railed against nuclear power, in fact I have called out MULTIPLE people on the result of shutting it down.
Personally, it seems that the HARDER I fight here (many times playing devil's advocate), the more I am accused of being a pussy.
Have you noticed the number of new (or infrequent) posters crawling out of the woodwork in the last two weeks? Have you noticed that damn near EVERY ONE OF THEM is in the "pooh pooh, it's no big deal" crowd?
Let me be clear: I steadfastly believe that the people of Japan are fucked because of this. I truly believe that people in the US can/should learn from this fucking mess. Anyone who thinks I am chickenshit because of those opinions is cordially invited to speak the fuck up, 'cause I am one SOB who is here for FIGHT CLUB.
Any takers? Bitch Tits?
I get along with you fine, Coop. Found this at The Oil Drum:
There's a lot of out of spec stuff going on. Thermal shock, expansion/contraction, unplanned for chemical reactions; all of this on top of a 9.0 and explosions. Vulnerable areas would be welds (notorious for pre-existing anomalies and faults), flange seals, etc. The manifold/tubing interfaces in the condensers are fairly complex and vulnerable. There's plenty that could have gone wrong at this point. Once these faults present themselves they generally get worse over time, eventually failing catastrophically. Dumping cold water onto/into overheated reactor components is about the worse thing they could do. Seems they've had no choice.
Thank you.
I am a pipeliner, and we have a lot of intensely inspected welding in the industry. Welds in new construction are subject to many of the same inspection procedures as those in nuke plants. In fact, many welders move back and forth between industries as work presents itself, and many of the inspection companies provide services to both industries.
Here's one thing I know: The welding procedures of today are not those of yesterday, and the technology to inspect those welds is literally space age compared to 40 years ago. While it is safe to assume that much of the interconnecting piping has been changed/worked on etc.., I think it would be safe to assume that there are some old-ass welds in that plant. If the welding of yesteryear in nuke plants is anything like that in pipelines, it wouldn't surprise me in the LEAST if you have failed welds in that plant after what it went through.
Most of what I think on this whole FUBAR Clusterfuck is that it's too soon to make a determination on how this is going to play out. Best OR worse case. I advise against panic, and I despise people who blow this off.
Thanks for the link, BTW. there was some good info on it.
Word to the wise: Some of the best info in the industry can be found at oildrum, and there are some REALLY smart SOB's there. DO NOT take the content as gospel, mainly when it relates to reserves/politics/drilling/etc.. "Boots on the Ground" perspectives have a way of being banned from that site, especially when they disagree with the "concensus". That place has a way of making static crinkle inside my foil helmet, if you know what I mean.
A mid level boots on the ground "observer" that has never posted there.
Concrete sarchophagus before they pollute anymore of the surrounding countryside. These things are toast. And if the MOX gets out....
Too late...much, much too late.
If PU is showing up on the deck of a CVN, isn't it likely that the MOX has already escaped?
Though I suppose you have to know how much PU to know whether it is a fission product.
What a clusterfuck.
And the .govs, the MSM and the sycophants just keep on keeping on. Welcome to 1984 bitchez.
Pu on a carrier?
And you have WHAT EXACTLY as evidence to support this claim?
This is a "ZHfact," not be confused with a real fact.
If some moonbat says "they probably have Pu on the deck," then the other hysterics accept this as assumed to be correct in the absence of ANY evidence supporting it.
Trav - I didn't make it up, was responding to the possibility raised by divide_by_zero above.
IF Pu had shown up on deck, the question would be whether it was a fission product or escaped MOX, no? I understand Cs or Sr would be more likely.
No hysterics here, just continuing the discussion.
<<< But he stopped short of declaring an evacuation advisory to avoid fanning fears about the increasing danger of radiation leaks, despite criticism from concerned municipalities and local residents of the central government's ''slow response'' over the evacuation instruction. >>>
Gee. So much for serving and protecting the citizenry of Japan.
Government serves and protects governance, nothing new or unique to Japan.
FROM, not FRMO. Other posts- typo(e)s frequent
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found this reference to current 'unit parameters' via reuters.
would appreciate comment from the knowledgeable on data/calling Jim in MN
do the negative numbers for reactor pressure mean anything?
http://www.nisa.meti.go.jp/english/files/en20110325-5-3.pdf
...Ladies and Gentlemen...
North America is facing a major decision in the next few days and weeks.
.....How many Japanese immigrants do we allow into North America should Fukashima be declared a National Disaster?
tia
Depends a lot on whether they're carrying Yen, Dollars, Euros or PMs. If PMs, I have two extra rooms. Welcome.
Japan will be merged with Canada to create Japanada. Japanada will be a tri-lingual country with mandatory signs in Japanese. Tim Hortons will serve sweet rice balls, red bean cakes and green tea. Ichiro will be made prime minister. Japanada will embark on an ambituous nuclear reactor building program.
TEPCO lied again. The workers on No.3 were exposed to up to 6,000 milli-sievert radiation, and they collected No.1's water sample on March 24 morning their time but took a day and half to tell the world about it.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/03/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-reactor-1_25.html
It's amusing in a sad sort of way that there is far more panic in the US, at zero risk from Fukushima, than there is in Japan.
Apparently KI pills are sold out in the US. Proof of the Idiocracy that US has become, never mind all the completely ignorant comments here about nuclear physics, engineering, and radiation physics.
The only people in the US who will have died from the Fukushima incident will be those involved in traffic accidents driving from pharmacy to pharmacy or dying from stress induced cardiac arrest after reading and believing the ZH histrionics.
The ZH spin is would be hysterical, if not for the fact that 20,000 plus Japanese citizens lost their lives due the earthquake and tsunami. A complete lack of perspective never mind basic decency.
"Apparently KI pills are sold out in the US. Proof of the Idiocracy that US has become,"
Proof of the arrogance displayed by the self appointed Intelligentsia and establishment apologists.
Did it occur to you that Fukishima has demonstrated to some group of US citizens that KI might be a worthwhile thing to stockpile in ones home?
I suppose I am part of the idiocracy for being reminded of the fact that I have a Nuke plant within 100 miles in every cardinal direction from my home?
Alas I AM kooky for stockpiling KI. After all I have no doubt that in the event of an emergency the loving .govs would distribute an ample dose of KI, in a timely enough fashion to matter.
Give that man a cigar. The Fuckyoushima disaster is an excellent tutorial on what to expect if a similar shitstorm happens here. If something like that does happen here and you haven't made SOME plans, you deserve your Darwin award.
You Moonbat you. ;)
Japanese civilians deaths due to the Tohoku earthquake and tsunami: 20,000 plus
Japanese civilian deaths due to the Fukushima Daiichi incident: 0