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Thermal Images From Fukushima Indicate Blistering 128 Degrees Celsius Zone In Reactor #3
Thermal images from Fukushima have just been released. One is based on data from Die Welt, the other one comes straight from NHK.
First, from NHK:
Next, a picture from Die Welt, emphasizing Reactor 3 and confirming that previous lies that all temperatures at Reactors 1 through 4, were under 100 degrees Celsius, were nothing but. Note the area indicating 128 oC Celsius. We would assume that is the reactor core area (which refutes the lie). If, instead, that is the spent fuel rod area, then we have some very big problems, even if TEPCO is telling the truth for once.
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and this clown wants the US media to apologize for over-hyping the Japan's nuclear plant accident. No big deal, no one died, he says (which is not true, by the way).
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/james-altucher-the-media-owes-every...,^JPN,NWS,TWC,YHOO,CMCSA,NYT&sec=topStories&pos=7&asset=&ccode=
James Altucher is an outspoken gold slug (gold-is-a-bubble).
Anubody have a 5 mile pole for my marshmellows...yum
Best hope those marshmallows aren't radioactive when they make their way to your mouth.
Benocide has just declared QE-infinity to the temperature at which water boils. All bets are off at 100°C as the inflationary spiral takes off. The sky is the limit... as this is serious stuff...
Those images must have been photoshopped to give you a sense of calm. What a fucking joke.
Big Yellow Square? Nooooo. That's a mutated radioactive Sponge Bob.
Incredible before and after photos...slide the bar in the middle of the photo back and forth.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/13/world/asia/satellite-photos-japan-before-and-after-tsunami.html
Give it up TD. Despite the obvious fact that you just want to watch the world burn, your cherry picked yellow journalistic headlines are just that. If any investor used your posts to develop a long term investment strategy they would be BROKE. Period, the end.
All gamblers go broke without a bailout.
The House always wins.
Well you apparently seem to be a frequent reader. You are a registered user afterall.
Are you broke?
I didn't know this website was designed to be a tool for investors to build long-term investment strategies.
"I didn't know this website was designed to be a tool for investors to build long-term investment strategies."
Although it does tend to offer a favorable tilt towards the "Buy and Hold" approach for investment in PM's.
I can't decide if "Fact" is really Ben, Timmah, or Cramer (?).
Maybe it's Hank Paulson, dictating to his typist, toes in the sand, sipping a tropical cocktail, with GS paid bodyguards bringing him shrimp and oiling his head?
You naive POS, Do you think people JUST come here just to learn 'An Angle' for making some bucks on the market?
Maybe it's time to bring BP in and try the 'TopHat' approach?
maybe its time to bring BP in to settle for pennys on the yen with the govt, so the poor souls dont get fair retribution, other than a "sorry" we lied
Crisis over! Bloomerger reports the Japanese have put, get this, "containment domes" over the reactors and the crisis is almost over. Laughable to say the least! It took Russia 500,000 soldiers to build a containment structure over just one reactor. Does the press really think people are that stupid? Anyway, buy GE.
" It took Russia 500,000 soldiers to build a containment structure over just one reactor"
This just goes to prove the stereotype about how industrious those Japanese are, doesn't it?
Yes, for every 25,000 Russian soldiers, you only need one Japanese.
All the news media is claiming that crisis is over....just need to work out details. Market sure liked that it didn't totally meltdown. Methinks the powers that be have a solid encapsulation method they will use once the media isn't looking.
can we get some pics of these domes?
Bloomberg is Bankamerrillwide, ne c'est pas?
two words english, one word french? ;-)
U.S. State Department Offers Potassium Iodide to Staff in Japan
Just an "overabundance of caution", that's all. No need to worry, nothing to see here, these aren't the droids you looking for. Go about your business, move along.
http://truth11.com/2011/03/21/ben-fulford-tsunami-attack-against-japan-t...
Ben Fulford | Tsunami attack against Japan. This attack used nuclear weapons drilled into the seabed by submarines and not HAARP according to senior Pentagon SourcesUS troops and occupation forces flee Japan, their lackeys flee Tokyo
Mar 21, 2011
by Ben Fulford
The United States occupation forces in Japan are staging a major strategic defeat because they know the Japanese defense establishment knows it was elements of the US military that set off the March 11, (311) tsunami attack against Japan. This attack used nuclear weapons drilled into the seabed by submarines and not HAARP according to senior Pentagon Sources. In addition, four months ago they overruled Japanese authorities and placed deadly plutonium into the number 3 reactor at Fukushima, according to the governor of Fukushima prefecture. This was to provide a nuclear cover story for the seabed atomic attack, pentagon sources say. Needless to say, the ring-leaders of this attack are now in hiding and know they will be found.
The attack on Japan was orchestrated by the Bush/Clinton/Rockefeller cabal in an attempt to prevent the upcoming bankruptcy of their criminal corporate government in Washington D.C. That is why they staged the farcical show of “President” Obama of the bankrupt United States signing an “aid” bill for Japan, as if they could terrorize the rest of the world into giving them more money. That is also why they are now desperately trying to use their extortionist nation-wrecking IMF as the new vehicle for a “global currency.”
In addition, Chinese and Russian intelligence now report that Germany’s Angela Merkel is the daughter of Adolf Hitler thanks to the use of frozen sperm and the expertise of a Nazi doctor captured by the Soviets. That means she is almost certainly one of the ringleaders of the Nazi faction still hoping for a fascist world totalitarian government.
The Pentagon, for its part, is running out of oil thanks to a spreading global oil boycott targeting the criminal US corporate government. Bombing Libya will not help their case, just as attacking Japan did not help.
They are whistling in the wind because the whole world despises them and will no longer do business with them, even if this means facing down their threats of additional violence.
Their only hope is to turn over their command and control to General Colin Powell and other decent human beings still to be found within that large, bureaucratic and potentially good organization.
Meanwhile, multiple sources report that cabalist bankers, US military forces, corporate propaganda experts and other occupation forces have left Japan or have withdrawn to Okinawa. Japanese workers at US bases say troops have been withdrawn from all bases on the Japanese mainland, although this is not yet fully confirmed. However, we can confirm that agents of the criminal part of the Federal Reserve board have now left Japan. We would like to bid an especially good riddance to the rapacious bankers who have been stealing Japanese savings and using them to buy up chunks of Japan’s industry.
We can also now say that arch-traitor Heizo Takenaka, the former Finance Minister of Japan, will be facing multiple criminal charges for his crimes against the Japanese people during his time in power with the murderer Junichiro Koizumi.
One example of his criminality that we can prove in great detail in a court of law is his theft of the company Mizawa home. Takenaka illegally and unethically forced financially sound Mizawa Home into a government “financial restructuring agency,” pumped at least $200 million of Japanese taxpayer money into it and then handed it over to his brother who is now chairman of Misawa home. Our sources for this include Chiyoji Misawa, the founder of Misawa Home.
There will also be insider trading investigations into the sudden rise of the stock price of Higashi Nihon House in the month prior to the earthquake. It would only make sense for the share price of that company to rise as it did in the month prior to the tsunami if someone had insider knowledge that a bunch of housing was about to be destroyed. Japan has 3 million empty homes and a shrinking population.
Investigations will also reveal if Takenaka’s take-over of Misawa home was a sign this attack was planned long in advance.
We have also been informed by an astute reader that a Canadian company sent large shipments of Potassium Iodide to South Korea (a treatment for radioactive poisoning) one month before the nuclear “accidents,” in the Fukushima earthquake zone.
A representative of the Satanists was also told by a White Dragon Society representative that their idea that prophecy of the future was written in the stars and could not be changed was balderdash. “We will write our own stars,” he was told.
Finally, this writer went to the volcanic Island of Oshima to watch the supermoon on March 19th. The moon appeared a bright gold in color and had the exact same trajectory over the sky as did the sun on the following day. There were plenty of presumably US military observation planes in the sky over Oshima on that night but they left disappointed. Anything unusual that took place, took place when they were not watching.
This writer would like to add that even if he was given a technology capable of destroying the planet, he would never use it. Using it to save the planet is a different question but, humans already know how to do that.
this is the most absurd shit I think I have ever read.
this would be the one and only time I agree with one of your posts on here
Not so fast guys, I saw a leaked military document that supports this. this was planned back in the late '50's ... only problem is, I can't seem to find the doc. now.
The document did state that a "Nuclear Power Plant" would be used to cover-up a sub-seafloor explosion...among other things...
I'll look for it later, gonna make a beer run.
Bring me some wine please.
and some brie, not too aged
A good white I presume? It would go with the cheese and, ahem "pork" (other white meat).
Ahhh, Liebfraumilch for me!
Rusty
All I know is that I have learned not to discount out of hand the seemingly absurd. Listen to it, Don't swallow it hook line and sinker but keep it in the memory banks for later correlations as new info is learned. Sometimes it is thrown out when later info disproves it, sometimes the batshit crazy stuff was actually pretty close.
Time may tell.
Thanks
Umm.. close tie with something else he just posted above about Merkel being Hitler's daughter...
Edit: Good God, he posted this thing twice in the same thread??? I suggest Lithium therapy...
Disinformation or batshit crazy?
The latter...
not an xor situation
deliberate stupido, such stupidity takes real cunning
is this sarcasm or nonsense?
are they mutually exclusive?
pure comedy. terrible kabuki
piss poor haiku man
someone's taken many pills
doesn't know the way
pissin' my pants, can't stop chuckling, tears, still laughing!!! - Ned
still laughing
Do really think any aware person can take this earthquake attack drivel seriously?
Do yourself a favour, look at global seismicity, at all mags, in 4D, you hopeless tool.
"The spent radioactive fuel stored in the reactors represented more than three times the amount of radioactive material normally held in the active cores of the six reactors at the complex, according to Tokyo Electric briefings and its presentation to the IKEA"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/21/us-japan-nuclear-idUSTRE72K47A...
Source Term, Bitchez!
5 workers dead, 15 workers ill from UK news agency Daily mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1367929/Japan-nuclear-power-plan...
Obviously the workers actual radiation dosage isn't been told us correctly if they've had fatal doses. It was just believed tho to be fair on the article.
Also I was watching NHK and they had some of the 50 on TV, they didn't look well at all.
Should it be 128 at it's hotest, that's fine, surely. Its not even hot enough to burn through a paper bag.
What is of more interest is the colour of the roof at the bottom of the photo. To me that suggests that the debris from the explosions wasn't merely cladding.
Let's see, water boils at 100 Celsius or 212 Fahrenheit at sea level.
128 Celsius is equal to ~262 degrees Fahrenheit
http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/tempfc.htm
Seawater might boil a few degrees higher due to salinity - but definitely at 128 Celsius.
Yikes.
Actually, the higher the salt content, the faster it will boil. In actuality also, it cooks. It takes less energy to bring salt water to a boil first.
No, any solute added to a solution Raises the boiling pt. and Lowers the freezing pt. In Seawater the salinity varies but it's around -2 degrees C freezing and 102 degrees C boiling pt.
Okay, this should explain it easier for all of us:
The specific heat capacity of salt water is lower than that of plain water, but the boiling point is higher.
The amount of energy required to raise the temperature of 1 kg of plain water from 20°C to its boiling point of 100°C is 4186*80 J = 334,880 J.
The amount of energy required to raise the temperature of 1 kg of water with 35 g of salt added from 20°C to its boiling point of 100.56°C is 1.035*3993/1.0106*80.56 = 329,440 J. That's about 1.6% less heat energy.
from the same Reuters' article:
When Toru Ishida, a powerful advocate for the Japanese nuclear power industry, decided to leave his government post in 2010 for private industry, he didn't have to change his commute much at all.
Ishida, who had been director general of the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry, the agency overseeing nuclear power, was hired four months after he left his regulatory post by TEPCO.
In a sign of the close ties between the utility and the government agency that serves as its biggest patron, the now-darkened TEPCO headquarters is just a few blocks from METI's drab complex in the Kasumigaski neighborhood that houses much of the government bureaucracy.
The practice of former bureaucrats dropping into high-paid private sector jobs after retirement remains both relatively common and controversial in Japan where it is known as "amakudari," or "descent from heaven."
is this the story where the guy then sells them lo-dosage X-ray machines for every passenger in every airport, with the consumer option of the anal probe, instead?
What happened to Nip honor?!
In the old days, thousands of men would be banzai charging the reactors until they were covered in corpses and shut down and the TEPCO shoguns and daimyos would all commit sempuku on live national TV rather than roose face.
Ah so!
Burt:
among the workers: open your fricken eyes.
among the bureaucrats? Nay playaz.
- Ned
#2 looks like it is ready to blow completely apart, if you ask me. #3 not far behind.
Defence Minister Kitazawa told NHK that the surface temperatures above the reactors of the quake-hit Fukushima nuclear power plant give comfort.
The temperatures are:
Reactor 1 - 58 degrees
Reactor 2 - 35 degrees
Reactor 3 - 62 degrees
Reactor 4 - 42 degrees
Reactor 5 - 24 degrees
Reactor 6 - 25 degrees.
The temperature above the containment vessel itself of Reactor 3 is 128 degrees, but this is not cause for concern, he says.
Agree, look at that.
Bad juju, mofo sashimi all around.
The Fukushima Daiichi power plant was already one of the most trouble-prone nuclear facilities in Japan, even before the devastating earthquake and tsunami that knocked out its cooling systems and precipitated the worst nuclear crisis in 25 years, a Wall Street Journal analysis of regulatory documents shows:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870443390457621298046388179...
BBQ bitches! Bring on the little weiners and funky marshmellows. Don't forget 50 medium size body bags too.
AC
Damn, Time to see Old man Bugenhagen. Youll see me in hell Mr Thorn
Looney tunes central.
This sober group sees Japan's need to rebuild using proceeds from sales of US treasuries, in combination with MENA and Chinese events, as the beginning of the end of the U$D, along with higher interest rates, shortages and inflation:
http://www.leap2020.eu/Global-systemic-crisis-Second-half-of-2011-Get-ready-for-the-meltdown-of-the-US-Treasury-Bond-market_a6091.html
thanks for the link, i've read their stuff before and found it intresting but couldn't find their site again, forgot the name. i put it favs now.
thanks for the link, i've read their stuff before and found it intresting but couldn't find their site again, forgot the name. i put it favs now.
Where's Baghdad Bob when you need him?
http://easelpiper.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/baghdad-bob.jpg
AC
He's mashing his thumb on the the mother of all garden hoses.
so what you're telling me is that anyone not wearing 2 million SPF is gonna have a real bad day? Is that what you're saying?
First off, a little radiation is good for you. Or if you did not like that one, One hundred thousand counts per minute is simply background radiation.
Secondly, no-one mentions how much plutonium there was on site.
Turdly, the ignorance of plutonium lethality is stunning. Some of these decay chain products are bone analogs, meaning they migrate to the bones and do their little gamma, beta, alpha decay. Note, a growing child will injest so much more to grow, oops, the story is worse but it is best left to the imagination.....
Bloomerger removed any reference of the word "dome" from the article and modified the headline.
"removed any reference of the word "dome""
It could happen to anybody. Spell checker cannot differentiate between "Dome" and DOOM", as they're both spelled correctly.
Bloomberg has an optimistic article written by their Japanese reporters in Tokyo, saying the Spent Fuel Pool water temperatures have gone down.
NISA says nothing like that. In fact, they do not have any measurement at all for Reactors 1, 3 and 4. All that's going for the Bloomberg reporters seems to be this thermal image.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/03/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-bloombergs.html
If I may make a suggestion. Why don't they bury a few boilers as it is concreted over, then they could hook up a couple of steam turbines and get free electricity?
Herman Strand-Schnecke
Honestly, 128 C just doesn't seem that hot. I'd try to get comparable temperatures everyday just to run my autoclave and sterilize instruments.
Maybe they meant 1280 C? Typical output temperatures for many nuke plants are 1000 C for normal operation. I thought a runaway meltdown could have temperatures exceeding >2500 C and able to melt through the floor of the core and into the Earth --- hence China Syndrome...
Honestly, 128 C just doesn't seem that hot. I'd try to get comparable temperatures everyday just to run my autoclave and sterilize instruments.
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Do you have a sun-deck autoclave -
- or do you just run yours out on the veranda?
"Typical output temperatures for many nuke plants are 1000 C for normal operation."
Please cite your source for this (mis)information.
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Folks, hate to pop the bubble on so much fun, but these IR pics are bull shit. IR cameras have spot detectors that you can curser over the exact spot location on the pic and have the readings digitally displayed. There's also a color display that shows the temp range corresponding to the colors, emissivity values used, etc. Just having a powerpoint incert with a temp shown in a box with a cheesy arrow pointing in the general direction of a hot location is total full blows crap-ola. Pay no attention to any of this hog wash POS info. My two cents...
IR cameras have spot detectors that you can curser over the exact spot location on the pic and have the readings digitally displayed.
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Is - is there something they POSSIBLY aren't telling us - something they possibly don't want us to see?
Horrors ..
Tell me THIS isn't a potential nuke hot-spot in Rx 3 in this pic:
http://oi53.tinypic.com/dz9jj6.jpg
Seriously, I need the reassurance ...
will you idiots stop worrying about this....theres NOTHING wrong at the reactor site.....didnt you notice the market was UP today....shut up and BUY !!!
He is certainly right. It must be! I mean, Tepco was at +17 %. So invite every other fucking energy company on the planet for their own meltdown...because it is obvious...meltdowns are good for business and bullish for the entire economy!
go long meltdowns bitchez!
Those white spots in the heat range are at least the 128 degree celsius, they may be much higher. You see the satellite or UAV plane that took the IR shots, have the scale and the Japanes probably do to. And so they can say well those spots which are white are just 128 degrees celsius or 260 degrees F. But their scale may go further than that and the temperatures could be 260 degrees C and higher.
Full blown meltdown on the cards.
The market is extremely overpricing risk. Now with thermal images up, YEN bidding begins and equity slaughter redux...
Still time to get outta Tokyo. Seriously, if you are in Japan, GTFO, now.
WOW....repeat WOW! 128 dC ? Wow..Is that where Zircalloy or Uranium oxide melts? Shwew! OMG.
Steam...if I recall from physics 101 (or is it 3rd grade science?) is H2O (water) above 212 dF/100dC at Sea-Level. Steam can be 600 dF in highly presurized systems...like the nuclear turbine exchangers...So...when someone shows a fancy picture with OMG 128 dC (262 dF) "Hot Spots" Im like "Uh...Ok...thats kinda like way colder that like the steam is...and ih...its like even colder than some american engines run at with Antifreeze."
Dont be Sheeple...Be People, and DO SOME CRITICAL THINKING! this isnt supposed to be a fringe-Alex Jones style website is it? really.
A thoughtful contrarian post. Yes, wow! None of the temperatures being presented here is likely to be accurate. This article stands as a clear example that dubious facts and theories can be circulated by zh contributors and/or imposters and be accepted by readers as truth with ease.
I'm thinking 62?C is the storage pond area and the 128?C spots had better be ejecta from the same. But why would it be hotter if the whole area has been showered with water?
A partial meltdown of nuclear fuel rods has occurred in two, or perhaps three, nuclear reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant in Japan.
A meltdown is when uranium dioxide fuel melts. The melting temperature of uranium dioxide is 5,189 degrees Fahrenheit (2,865 degrees Celsius),” said Martin Bertadono, a nuclear engineer at Purdue University.
Under normal circumstances, uranium dioxide fuel rods are maintained at a temperature below their melting point. Heat emitted by the rods gets carried away by the water that surrounds it, which is constantly being pumped through the nuclear core housing the rods. But if the water doesn’t get pumped through quickly enough, it heats up too much and starts boiling and evaporates."
http://newscompt.com/what-is-a-nuclear-meltdown-livescience-com.html
Meanwhile, the U.S. market melts up.
This is so disappointing. A forum of supposedly smart people, and the major arguments are over what temp water boils at, whether there is/is-not any water in the SFPs, or the spent rods are/are-not exposed and burning.
But in reality, this is not an either-or situation. The rod assemblies are quite long - I forget the figure, but it was something like 12 to 18 feet. Standing upright in an originally much deeper pool of water.
OK, so without cooling the pool water temp rises, till it reaches boiling point (100 deg C at 1 atm, since it's open to the air.) The water level begins to fall as steam boils off. This goes on for some time. Eventually, the water level gets down to the tops of the rods. Oh and don't forget, the pools certainly have a pile of building rubble fallen into them as well, but that won't alter the behavior much. Apart from hiding the water level from view.
Now what happens? The tops of the rods, emerging from the water, start to heat above 100 degC. But there's still steam passing them, and conduction of heat to the lower rod section still in water. So the exposed rods don't reach melting/burning temp yet. BUT, the steam passing them does get heated over 100 degC. Steam can reach any temp, up to the point the H and O dissociate. Hence we can have steam clouds rising that are over 100 degC, IF there are exposed rods.
As more length of the rods are exposed, some areas may not have steam passing (convection, downdrafts of air, air travelling sideways among the rod assemblies, etc.) Also the longer the distance down to the immersed rod sections, the less heat loss via downwards conduction in the metal tube walls. So overall, the lower the water, the greater the potential for upper sections of rods to reach bursting & combustion temp. Eventually, sections of tubes will combust.
But it will be an intermittent process. The greater heat output as areas of rods catch fire will draw updrafts of steam into the area from lower down, and may extinguish that fire. Causing another area to combust, that previously was in a steam updraft.
Also the overlying rubble will create areas of increased heat accumulation - but as rod bundles burn and collapse the rubble pile sitting on top of the rods will shift and settle.
With the probability of a rubble pile atop the rods in the pools, and the water level well below all that, I'd imagine that what we are seeing with the thermal images (if they aren't fakes) would be temps of rubble and steam only - thus hot spots at points where steam updrafts are rising through the rubble. With this process the temperatures can be anywhere from mildly warm to well over 100 degC, because what you're seeing is the 'mixed' temp of steam that has been rising through steel and concrete debris plus mixing with cooler pulled-in air. The only information it gives, is that if it is ABOVE 100 degC, there MUST be rod combustion going on. If there wasn't, the updraft would be 100 degC (boiling temp only) or less. If cooler, steam would have condensed back out to water, leaving rising hot air. But objects in the path of the rising steam would rapidly be heated to steam-temp, hence the visible steam clouds.
Anyway, the 128 degC spot tells me there are rod tops exposed sufficiently for them to burn. And the apparently random radiation spikes suggests the burning is occurring in bursts, just as I'd expect it to.
Incidentally, with upper sections of rods exposed and burning at high temps in air-steam, there will be reactions of oxygen from the steam reacting with the zirconium tubes, leaving H gas. Which may intermittently combust explosively in the vicinity. Another commenter in this thread mentioned ongoing random explosions heard. If true this also indicates exposed and burning fuel rods.
One more thing that will be happening - as the rod tubing burns and disintegrates, the ceramic fuel pellets will be falling out and down to where ever they can fall to. Some of them will undoubtedly make it to the bottom of the pool. Others will rest at the zone in which the rods are burning and disintegrating above the top of the remaining water. So, some piles of accumulating pellets in water, others out of water. An experiment in which will achieve criticality first. With random small hydrogen explosions occuring in the mess of rubble, burning zirconium and jumbled fuel pellets, there'll be plenty of confgurations being tried on for size.
What we are absolutely NOT seeing in the thermal images, is anything to do with the reactor pressure vessel temperature. The top of the pressure vessel is at the bottom of the same pool as the spent fuel, assuming all the dams between different sections of the pool were destroyed or at least made leaky. So the pressure vessel is under both the rubble, AND the water still remaining in the pool. We are not seeing spent fuel rod temps either. Just the end product in hot rising gasses of a very complex system.
Summary: It's not over yet. This is an ongong process that can suddenly go much worse at any moment. And probably will.
Action: Need to get water back into those pools, fast. Expend lives if it can help. Manually drag a hose to the SFP edge if at all possible, even if it takes multiple suicide teams. Or heli-drop a weighted hose end into the rubble above the pool.
Only if the pools can be refilled before a criticality occurs (which might burn through to the reactor pressure vessel(s)) is there any hope of getting this under control. MUST cover the spent fuel in water, to stop outgassing of radioactives, before any possibility of local decontamination and facility gradual dismantlement is possible.
In my opinion, entombment of this sized site, with 4 reactor pressure vessels in various states, 4 spent fuel pools up high and the site directly by the sea, is not possible. NOT POSSIBLE. It's worse than trying to rebuild the Egyptian pyramids.
People talking of entombment are grasping at a straw, because it has 'been done before' and because they can't face the possibility that there is no such solution here.
An aside. There are two collossal failures being demonstrated by this nuclear disaster. One was the poor design choices- backup diesels in the basement, fuel tanks at the water's edge, and spent fuel pools at the top of the 6 story reactor building, thus guaranteeing any difficult situation became an insoluble disaster.
The other major failure is the demonstrated incapacity of the rigid, secretive, protocol-bound and self-serving Japanese government system. It is becoming very clear that this dire situation is simply beyond the ability of the existing government structure to deal with in a dynamic, resourceful and determined manner. Time to try something different. You listening, Japanese people?
One other comment: WHAT? the reactor cooling pumps are broken, and you're surprized by that, and only NOW order new ones? Definitely time to start shooting people, to get them out of the way and put competent adults in charge of this.
Best comment so far. Thank you.
by TerraHertz, on Tue, 03/22/2011 - 05:05 #1085160
This is so disappointing. A forum of supposedly smart people, and the major arguments are over ...
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Oversimplification; did you not pay attention to the discussion on the first page where we think the instrumentation is in error, saturated, we think, and the temps may be indeterminably higher?
Please, read before you leap ...