"They’re Going to Cut Back the Bone and They’re Going to Keep the Fat, Basically. They’re Going to Try to Panic the Population into Acquiescing ... While Making Sure that They Pay the Pentagon, They Pay the Foreign Aid, They Pay Wall Street"

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ParaZite's picture

I think it's funny when people start talking about what the "US Citizen" wants... because politicians stopped listening to "US Citizens" long, long ago. 

The reason a lot of these kids are running off to war, is because they have no jobs or future in our country, so they think they can get an education and experience in the war machine that will improve their lives. Otherwise, they will be working at Church's fried chicken or KFC and end up getting shot in a blood vs crips shoot out. Just to point out a fact, most recruits are young black or hispanic men with very little to aspire to in their home towns other than lives of crime, and want to make more out of their life than that. I don't believe they are fighting for Patriotic reasons, but for socio-economic reasons. The desire of a warm bed, a fresh meal, a good suit of clothes, respect, and a chance for a better life via educational programs and a 30,000 dollar hand out are enough to give many inner city youth enough inspiration to fight a war they really don't give a flying fuck about. 

Now, the American people as a whole seem to dislike the TSA and Homeland security bullshit, but really, other than a full blown rebellion, what can we do? If we fight back, we become homeland terrorist and get tortured in hell holes like gitmo... so it's easier to sit back and complain, flip the tv on, and try to hope that the government doesn't take what little away from us that we do have, than to stand up and end up being in a torture camp somewhere. 

 

I for one, don't think that the American people want these wars or any of the other fucked up shit going on in the USA, they just know that if they protest too loudly they are going to get the policeman's boot to the back of their head, sent off to some gitmo style hell hole, get to enjoy the joys of prison life or simply be shot dead by the police state... so they remain quiet, afraid, and hopeful that someone, somewhere will stand up. 

All that being said, no one has stood up... if they do they will be a villian on the media. Our government and our leaders stopped listening to us a long time ago. Proof of that would be to simply go to money dot cnn dot com and look at the American people telling anyone who will read it to stop the endless wars, etc. But, for the most part, the American people do what they are told like good little sheep and have no idea what a Constitutional Republic was, or why our forefathers wanted nothing to do with a Democracy... which the US was forced into becoming during the great depression in order to get the loans from the international banks. 

AnAnonymous's picture

I think it's funny when people start talking about what the "US Citizen" wants... because politicians stopped listening to "US Citizens" long, long ago. 

Oh really?

I dont even know if you paid attention to your next paragraph which is pretty weak

The reason a lot of these kids are running off to war, is because they have no jobs or future in our country, so they think they can get an education and experience in the war machine that will improve their lives.

 

And that is not the case? The US military does not provide opportunities for social promotion?

Otherwise, they will be working at Church's fried chicken or KFC

Oh? And just before, you claimed there were no jobs for them. So here, it reads like there are jobs but the opportunities for social promotion provided by the US military are better.

 and end up getting shot in a blood vs crips shoot out. Just to point out a fact, most recruits are young black or hispanic men with very little to aspire to in their home towns other than lives of crime, and want to make more out of their life than that.

 

Gangs recruit before the US military and belonging to a gang is a direct elimination factor by US military recruitors, if known. (I know that many gang members are looking for military experience and training to increase their efficiency) still, it does not change the point.

Another point is that obviously, while negroes and latinos are more represented than their global pc in the US, they are not the bulk of recruits.

Most of the US military are US white people looking for the benefits brought by the US army and most of them have access to much better job opportunities than flipping burgers.

Funny how in the US mind, suffering from hunger can not excuse for stealing a loaf of bread, but a low valued job should excuse for opting for a job to go and kill people accross the world for fun. That is US morality for you.

 

 I don't believe they are fighting for Patriotic reasons, but for socio-economic reasons. The desire of a warm bed, a fresh meal, a good suit of clothes, respect, and a chance for a better life via educational programs and a 30,000 dollar hand out are enough to give many inner city youth enough inspiration to fight a war they really don't give a flying fuck about. 

And yes, it is a decision. They have other job options but they prefer to enlist so they can get better benefits. 

 

I for one, don't think that the American people want these wars or any of the other fucked up shit going on in the USA, they just know that if they protest too loudly they are going to get the policeman's boot to the back of their head, sent off to some gitmo style hell hole, get to enjoy the joys of prison life or simply be shot dead by the police state... so they remain quiet, afraid, and hopeful that someone, somewhere will stand up. 

 

So why do they enlist to perform the same on other people around the world?

 

I dont know if you realize how low quality your narrative is. In the end, it reinforces the reality, that US citizens want the wars, that without the wars, they would be deprived of social promotion opportunities.

 

nhsadika's picture

I have no idea what you are arguing.  You are wasting everyones time. 

The point he was making was that the US military provides govt sponsored - debt sponsored - opportunities that are not available.  Listen to any young member recruiting on the air-waves of radio, and they say that exact thing - the military is great because of the opportunities available.  He is right.  Now whether the majority of people understand the nature of the military interventions around the world, I'd say they are misinformed, and if anything most people tend to give the benefit of the doubt to America under vague ideas like "Protecting freedom" or "Building democracy" or "Sacrificing for our country."  NONE of them ever goes much deeper than that, it is like the party line they tote which is good enough for them.

 

 

AnAnonymous's picture

I have no idea what you are arguing.  You are wasting everyones time. 

The point he was making was that the US military provides govt sponsored - debt sponsored - opportunities that are not available.  Listen to any young member recruiting on the air-waves of radio, and they say that exact thing - the military is great because of the opportunities available.  

 

The point is the point made up the section comment: US citizens want the wars because it provides them through the US military with opportunities to social promotion.

No wars, no social promotion opportunities. The previous poster and yourself accounts for this point.

US citizens want the wars. Useless to hide this fact with petty propaganda.

 

 

jack stephan's picture

1st Lt. Milo Minderbinder: I want to serve this to the men. Taste it and let me know what you think.
[Yossarian takes a bite]
Yossarian: What is it?
1st Lt. Milo Minderbinder: Chocolate covered cotton.
Yossarian: What are you, crazy?
1st Lt. Milo Minderbinder: No good, huh?
Yossarian: For Christ's sake, you didn't even take the seeds out.
1st Lt. Milo Minderbinder: Is it really that bad?
Yossarian: It's cotton!

mind_imminst's picture

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"They’re Going to Cut Back the Bone and They’re Going to Keep the Fat, Basically. They’re Going to Try to Panic the Population into Acquiescing ... While Making Sure that They Pay the Pentagon, They Pay the Foreign Aid, They Pay Wall Street""

So what is new? Same stuff has been going on for decades in the U.S. The real discussion is in the solution. I would prefer to not do all of the above. Stop propping up the banks, government, TPTB. They should go bankrupt and/or go to jail if they engaged in criminal activity. What I am afraid will happen is if the U.S. goes bankrupt, people will be seduced into supporting more statist/communist control. They will clamor for more "free" stuff, because they are already so dependent. I would rather go toward more freedom.

frank888's picture

The game is as follows :

1/ The 1% of the US population own nearly 50% of all the US wealth.

They have no debt. They have decided to go "global"because it was the only way for

them : a/ to be able to get more money, b/ to make the US ( and western ) workers in competition with workers from low cost countries and so to improve the margins of their companies.

2/ even if the average joes are stupids it was necessary to give them some "free cakes"...

in the meaning "free" for the elite because all these "free cakes" ( healthcare, government

jobs...) were financed by debt not higher taxes on the elites. It is also good to

remember than around 40% of the Americans do not pay any income taxes... What is

also very important for the elite is to have all the military spending going on because

they need it to SECURE all their investments in the developing countries and of course

they do not want to pay for it. Without the backing of the "free" US military they wont

have probably embarked in the global process because the risk to lose their investments would have been to huge...

If you understand the above logic, you will also understand why the military spending

will be the last thing to be cut. You have to remember that a huge increase of the spending has been done few years ago..Thanks to ? September 11 of course !

beatus12's picture

c.a trial over, the medias 

new drama

Coldfire's picture

Remarkable how so many are buying into the faux panic. Of course the debt "limit" will be raised. And the default persisting since 1971 will continue. US government debt is a runaway train. And there is no one conducting the damn thing. This is not a conspiracy, it is incompetence on a cosmic scale.

Coldfire's picture

Seriously amusing how so many are buying into the faux panic scenario. Of course the debt "limit" will be raised. And the default persisting since 1971 will continue. US government debt is a runaway train. And there is no one conducting the damn thing. This is not a conspiracy, it is incompetence on a cosmic scale.

WorkOutWellForAll's picture

If somebody owes you interest payments every year, are you not gonna pay close attention?

The creditors of the debt: (anybody got a good breakdown on the US debt owners)? -- they are making sure it stays together.

Just a calculation on how much to get away with, divsion of resources into propaganda, carrots, terror.. not too hard to calculate when sitting on top of the world with, oh, many more than 100 PhD economists at the Fed, as Shalom Bernanke mentioned -- and then the HArvard faculty as a whole, with the endowment, and the other universities, not to mention the foundations and corporate research staff and technological engineers and marketers and sales people in the 100,000s.

WorkOutWellForAll's picture

You fucking people -- got yer nasty proud doomsayers -- and then the wimpy koombayah guys in the wings -- same shtick run by the Repubs and Dems.

Kudos on cynical enlightenment to smiley towards genocide, and the cynically accurate deflation of the supposed innocence inside the American victims heading the page.

That first post you gotta earn, and I'm glad to see somebody making the most of it by cutting to the real bone here.

PulauHantu29's picture

George, when I saw that Shiela Bair is out...and every Wall Street Bank and Lender CEO is still "in".......

I'm rather looking forward to seeing Wall Street Bankers take home yet an even higher Bonus then last year...2009 and 2010 were "record high years"....I bet 2011 will break even those records.....after all, Wall Street needs to eat.

One for all and all for one!

Mark Noonan's picture

Certainly our government and our economy is corrupt, but you make a grave error if you think that the United States can afford significant cuts in military spending.  We can, of course, withdraw from Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and cease all active military operations and we can probably delay the acquisition of some weapons systems, but the bottom line is that there is only one line separating the world from barbarism, and that line is the United States armed forces. 

It is crucial to understand this - the world is sinking in to a sea or barbarism.  The end of American military predominance doesn't mean a world of peace and freedom - it means a world at the mercy of the most barbaric and bloodthirsty.  Islamists, Chinese imperialists and anyone else who takes a mind to it will attack without limit if they believed there was no force capable of stopping them.  While the United States armed forces stand supreme, there is a strong deterrrent...make it weak, make it just sufficient to defend the United States, and you'll have wars breaking out everywhere...with the most ruthless conquests going on and peoples literally enslaved so that the conquerors can move on to the next target.

Reform our government, reform our economy - but ensure that the United States armed forces are not just strong, but overwhelmingly strong...able to fight two or three wars simultaneously and with the capability of bringing absolute destruction.  No fair fights - make war with us, you die - that has to be the formula used to determine the size and power of the United States military.

AnAnonymous's picture

Islamists, Chinese imperialists and anyone else who takes a mind to it will attack without limit if they believed there was no force capable of stopping them. 

 

Dont forget the Somali pirats...

Ahhhh, the sweet world of projection. Using other people's supposed actions in order to justify yours.

Problem is that the US is an efficient military that has been constantly eliminating threat after threat... Now, who is left to enact that barbarism?

Guys like those libyan rebels. Who are the same as the US is fighting through the wars on terror. Unable to oust Ghaddafi on their own. Unable to oust Ghadaffi when equipped with western military equipment and supported by western intelligence. Unable to oust Gaddafi with the previous added to tactical strikes support. Unable to oust Ghaddaif with the previous added to helicopter support. Etc...

And people should not come with examples showing that barbarism as they say do not take advanced gear because the US sat on their hands when those events happened, destroying the very insane hypothesis that the US is the wall against barbarism.

 

US citizens, enemies of responsibility since 1776, always looking for someone else to foot up the bill.

cowpieflapjack's picture

What do you have against barbers? Short back and sides, please.

nhsadika's picture

Un hunh.   The barbarians are inside the gate my friend.  China is not imperialistic like the US, they are at the end of the day traders, long-term planners while doing what needs to be done in the short term to manage a Billion people.  They are going to strike deals with countries far and wide, instead of invading them, spreading propoganda back home, and erecting friendly if not corrupt governments that allow us to suppress the wishes of populations.

US imperialism is a blight on the right of self-determination of many people.  I am not saying that in every place we've tinkered, the outcomes would have been rosy-and-grand, but I am saying that the world wants and the American people should want our govt to get their hands out of other people's business.   It is a form of oppression, and in anyone's moral code, oppression is one of the few if only times violence is justified.

Bloodthirsty and barbaric, drooling at the mouth for blood, this is garbage - they've been playing the same tune as if America is under attack since the Red Indian massacre every decade with a new stand in blood hungry savage.  It is racism at the core.  Look in the mirror and you see blood dripping from our lips, but the mirror no longer turns toward us (hundreds of thousands dead and affected, yet little coverage about that hmmm).  If anything, we should be afraid of the cold, steely way in which we run military campaigns affecting hundreds of thousands, often from air conditioned cubicles on the eastern seaboard.  The war machine out of control.  Privatized.  Unchecked.

 

 

Spastica Rex's picture

Don't the bankers make bank regardless? Ceiling raised: more debt. Ceiling not raised: higher interest rates.

 

Tales they win, heads we lose. 

working class dog's picture

Americans want the war, WHY DONT YOU ASK MY NEPHEW WHO RETURNED FROM AFGHANISTAN WITHOUT HIS RIGHT HAND, SHOT OFF IN AN AMBUSE ASSHOLE!

Sambo's picture

They need a justification for keeping the military funding going. How else can you keep spending trillions on an unnecessarily bloated defense budget?

Where do you find this justification?

Answer: In the war against terror. So you keep the terrorist threat alive. 9/11 is the greatest crime perpetrated against Americans...not by al qaeda but by the TPTB well entrenched right here on American soil.

The second justification is protecting our oil interests. So you go fight wars in Kuwait, Iraq & now Libya. Next it will be war against Iran or some imperialistic designs on some other oil rich country like Nigeria.

And China is there to support the Americans in these militaristic ambitions. Why do you think they keep buying treasuries knowing very well that they are not going to get paid back in the usual manner?

It is because there is a secert deal between the two countries, geographically well positioned to rule the whole world.

This is what is known as 'globalisation'.

Believe me the debt ceiling will not be raised just once but several times more - and frequently - in the future.

So dont worry, the debt ceiling will be passed. Geithner, Obama & Boehner will each will Oscars for their tremendous performances on this tragically comic political stage.

 

cowpieflapjack's picture

This has got to be quite possibly one of the most salient reasonings that I have ever read here. Nice work. Harnesses the rage in all of us. Or should do.

Sambo's picture

Kindly ignore the grammatical errors...the above was written in a fit of rage.

Juan Wild's picture

Rage understood. I never look for grammatical errors. I look for common fuckin' sense. You got it Sambo!

ping's picture

The government's fucking itself by making the country weaker. The elite too - see if you can protect your investments in China and Russia after the USA folds, you 0.1% SOBs. Not so easy to protect capital without a 'liberal democracy' at your back.

Still: impoverished regimes have a habit of holding together on top of the corpses of their victims. North Korea, Russian Civil War, Zimbabwe, Third Reich. The douches in the military and police are the first to prop up the state. The fuckers haven't got any other marketable skills. They'll perpetuate a holocaust if it means the pay keeps coming in. They're the ultimate parasites. Psychopaths with guns.

Tsukato's picture

 They'll perpetuate a holocaust if it means the pay keeps coming in.

Let's hope so :)

Bansters-in-my- feces's picture

Ah...! The Pentagon.... The Banksters private protection. And we know who really runs the country. The hand that gives is the boss.... And the US Gov,aint got nothing to give,so that leaves the Banksters (NYFed) etc...

And they need the military incase the smurfs catch on to the fucking ponzi.

But hey....that is what Star Search is all about....

T6he Sacred Fucking Cow.....

The Pentagon......

Fuck you.

Problem Is's picture

+5... Top Notch Analysis GW
I enjoy your blog and visit daily right after ZH...

NuYawkFrankie's picture

Is it just me... OR does Boaner look like  he's got the same skin pigmentation as Obamah in the above video-still ???

doesmybuttlookfatinthis's picture

Darker, o'drama hasn't been able to spend much time on the links. He has had to work for the last week. What a sacrifice.

James's picture

A white man can be a nigger too.

Only we call them whiggers.

Problem Is's picture

Boner buys Orange-Man-Tan by the 55 gallon drum...

Audacity17's picture

I'd rather pay soldiers to kill bad guys, than bums to eat cheetos and watch American Idol.

doggings's picture

I'd rather pay dweebs to kill brown people using playstation & drone technology at a ratio of 140:1 innocents to bad guys, while I bum my mates, eat cheetos and watch American Idol.

there I corrected it for you. 

Astrolabe's picture

seriously, though, what don't you understand about not enough fucking jobs?

you do know that you can't opt out of this system, correct? you can't really go off the grid and set up a tent somewhere and fish for your food, not without breaking 20 laws before breakfast? you know you need money to do those things? a job is required, right? you do understand that the economy is not producing enough jobs, correct?

dicks like you never think they're in the same boat until it effects them personally.

LawsofPhysics's picture

Been to an induction center lately?  Aside from a few elite troops, there is little difference.  Troll indeed.

New_Meat's picture

skoshi' "induction" don't cha' know - Ned

CIABS's picture

how about neither, troll?

Westcoastliberal's picture

The problem as I see it is, we're really stuck with the 2 party system in the US.  Neither party will allow a 3rd party to ever get to the level of being a true contender.  They'll legislate against it, throw up roadblocks, refuse to include it, etc.

Thanks GW for all you do to stir the pot.  You know, ZH has a lot of smart readers, snarky but smart.  It sure could be beneficial if we could conjure up some real solutions to the probs GW cites, all of which are real, happening now, and can't continue much longer without something going "pop"!

sherryw's picture

Real solutions have been expounded time and again in this and other like sites; the problem is there is no political will/clout to enact them.

Greenhead's picture

The real tragedy is that so many of us believe we can't exist without some sort of help from the gov.  Meanwhile 40 cents of every fed dollar spent has to be borrowed.  Every fiefdom wants to protect itself and maintain their status quo.  While I do agree that all income from labor and from capital should be taxed at the same rate, I don't believe the top brackets need to be any higher.

We are deliberately creating a dependence culture, almost half the population pays no income tax, food stamp participation is now almost 45 million citizens, entitlements are at all time highs, what is wrong with this picture?

Wait, someone isn't paying their "fair share", what a laugh!

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Yes, exactly. The wealthy elite that controls the federal government has two goals: make themselves wealthier, and create a gigantic underclass that is 100% dependent on federal handouts like the EITC, food stamps, Medicaid, Medicare, social security, etc. Call them the Free Shit Army, if you will.

We are in the endgame.

RickC's picture

After reading the first sentence, I knew it ws going to the same silly screed from George Washington.  I verified it was him and stopped reading, saving myself from wasting oodles of time.

RockyRacoon's picture

I was gonna ask what the "C" stands for -- but I think I know.

sherryw's picture

Huh? So why waste your time getting this far?

cougar_w's picture

I do get the feeling that the two politcal parties are just jockying to be the one holding the Whitehouse on the day the democratic experiment ends in the USA.

Why the Whitehouse? Because whoever is in the Whitehouse commands the US Army. And when the experiment ends then whoever holds the Army in their fist rules the country, gets all the nukes, and essentially rules the world, and to hell with free elections. Party over. Not to mention, can round up all their former "esteemed collegues" for the reeducation camp at Gitmo.

I wonder if Germans were wondering similar things in 1931? Some guy named Adolf Hitler was aggitating for a strong Germany, memories of a former greatness were still fresh. All they needed was a great leader to regain what had been lost. Right? Isn't that how it was supposed to work? Something about being entitled to greatness, yeah that was it. In 1933 they got what they wanted, and in 1945 -- just 12 years later --  Germany lay in ruins. Again.

Someone will be in the Whitehouse when the experiment ends. Given the trend of recent years they won't be worth a shit. There is no easy way around it; either the citizens purge the shitheads and keep the experiment alive, or the US goes down in flames.

CIABS's picture

obama commands the army?