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Thomas Friedman On China And America

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Over the past twenty years, few people have been as discredited in their worldview as New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman. The thorough fall from pedestalized grace of the Pulitzer Prize winner, whose latest book, "The World is Flat: A Brief History of the
21st Century," not at all surprisingly won the inaugural Goldman
/Financial Times Business Book of the Year award, can only be compared to that other New York Times columnist who will go down with the debt-leaking titanic, kicking and screaming, that no matter the impending global default, he is right. And as the premise of globalization goes through its own death rattle, just like the ridiculous Keynesian notion that only more debt can save us from record debt, globalization's biggest advocate is monetizing his last remaining ounces of credibility. Below, we present Fora TV's recently released Asia Society interview with Friedman who discusses at length his view on the parallels and differences between China and the US. Note: absolutely nothing of significance will be learned in this presentation, which is merely a rehash of stale, faulty and thoroughly discredited assumptions yet it is a good starting point to learn about all that is flawed in the prevailing view of how the two countries are supposed to coexist in the future. In other words: take verything Friemdna says and flip it 180 degress, and you will be on the right path.

Below is a representative segment in which Friedman notes how he envies China's Reaganism, not Maoism, whatever that means.

All segments in the full very rambling presentation:

01.    Introduction     01 min 05 sec
02.    Pace of Innovation in China vs. US    04 min 00 sec
03.    The Power of the Autocracy    05 min 33 sec
04.    Big, Hard, and Together    05 min 17 sec
05.    America's Values Breakdown    06 min 31 sec
06.    Yearning to Restore the Nation to Greatness    06 min 11 sec
07.    China As a Galvanizing Force    03 min 43 sec
08.    Influence of Media    04 min 12 sec
09.    What We Should Learn from China    06 min 25 sec
10.    Advice to Secretary Clinton    03 min 09 sec
11.    Demolishing Culture to Advance    07 min 01 sec
12.    What Will Shock the System?    02 min 38 sec
13.    Q1: Overestimating China's Growth    04 min 07 sec
14.    Q2: Political Learning from China    07 min 03 sec
15.    Q3: National Security and Trade    01 min 42 sec
16.    Q4: Broken Political System    06 min 16 sec
17.    Q5: Keeping R&D in US/Nurturing Leadership/Chinese Nobel Laureates    09 min 49 sec

Watch Full Program      01 hr 24 min 42 sec


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Sat, 01/22/2011 - 15:26 | 895987 spekulatn
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Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:09 | 896058 Malcolm Tucker
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The FED just snuck in a MAJOR rule change that will prevent it from taking losses on its MBS holdings and, instead, assign those losses to....the Treasury!

Gotta love Banksters

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:16 | 896554 New_Meat
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PIMPCO doin' the same thing on BAC--Billy and Mohammed front-running the FED again - Ned

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 20:11 | 897802 Jay Gould Esq.
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Sun, 01/23/2011 - 23:58 | 898084 Thomas
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TF is a self-absorbed dildo. 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 05:44 | 898290 Bringin It
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I just want to point out that TF advocated invading Iraq.  How surprising is that?


Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:34 | 896312 theXman
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There is nothing about China for US to envy except for low labor cost and minimum regards for environment and human rights. 

It's natural to envy the magnificent pyramids, but do you envy the life of an Egyptian slave?

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:43 | 896582 tired1
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Contrary to some popular depictions, the pyramid builders were not slaves or foreigners. Excavated skeletons show that they were Egyptians who lived in villages developed and overseen by the pharaoh's supervisors.

The builders' villages boasted bakers, butchers, brewers, granaries, houses, cemeteries, and probably even some sorts of health-care facilities—there is evidence of laborers surviving crushed or amputated limbs. Bakeries excavated near the Great Pyramids could have produced thousands of loaves of bread every week.

Some of the builders were permanent employees of the pharaoh. Others were conscripted for a limited time from local villages. Some may have been women: Although no depictions of women builders have been found, some female skeletons show wear that suggests they labored with heavy stone for long periods of time.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 05:08 | 896867 1984
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That's right.  Slave camps don't have cooks, butchers, bakers, because slaves don't need to eat.

Perhaps those useless self-important academics are right.  Being willing slaves would make them less slavish.

And all this time I've been thinking they are the same as the American debt slaves living pay check to pay check, thinking they're free, but all the while just slaving for the banks and big corporations.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 05:14 | 896869 Rodent Freikorps
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Collaborators tend to eat well...until they don't.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 15:01 | 897331 fearsomepirate
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You're one of those people who responds with a biology lesson when one of the guys on your pick-up basketball team says "Hey, sub in for me.  I'm too hot, and I'm sweating like a pig!"

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 23:42 | 896667 DavosSherman
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Speculatn: Looking for the "Like" button thinking I'm on FB.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:25 | 899633 Jim B
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Krugman = Friedman = Idiotic Duo = Zero Credibility!

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 15:36 | 895993 Gigliola Cinquetti
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Friedman is an idiot and his geopolitical views are tainted by his membership of the "tribe"

And Fukuyama was an even greater fool when he announced the end of history . The arrogance ....

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 15:53 | 896027 Shylockracy
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'tainted by his membership of the "tribe"' is a polite understatement. His views are straight from Oded Yinon's 1982 playbook, that is:

- Descrediting and destruction of all secular nationalists à la Assad, Arafat, Nassr, Kaddafi, Mossadegh, Saddam Hussein inter alia

- Promotion of religious strife in a broad radious around Israel as a precondition for civil war and the break up of potential resistance to the realization of Greater Israel

- Forcing US interventionism in the service of the tactics above, and with a view to realizing greater Israel

If you haven't read Yinon's zionist protocol, you have no basis for comprehending American foreign policy and domestic politics in the past 40 years.

Here it is, for your reference:

A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties
by Oded Yinon

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:13 | 896071 Gigliola Cinquetti
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Yes , I was being polite . You do not have a clue just how polite . I do not need a primer on Israeli politics , the history of the middle East since biblical times , zionist terrorism since 1948 , the Balfour declaration and its roots   ,AIPAC , the ADL , neo conservative ideology and its roots in Chicago , all of the above and a lot more are familiar to me . But thx anyway , it's appreciated . And no , the protocols of Zion are a forgery . Conspiracies are wasted on me . The facts are sufficient and terrible enough .

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:25 | 896087 Shylockracy
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Sorry, the "you" I mentioned above was not you, specifically. I should have rephrased on the lines of "one cannot understand.... if one hasn't read..."

btw, Oded's "protocol" is the real deal and the blueprint for PNAC and the infamous "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" by the elders of Zion Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser, inter alia.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:43 | 896163 Gigliola Cinquetti
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No offense taken , I realized you meant well . No offense intended towards you either . I was aware that you were not referencing the "other protocols" . Anyway , for those who think I am an anti-semite , some of my best friends are jewish .  And some of my favourite authors ,musicians , composers  ....  are jewish . I am fully aware of PNAC .

My jewish heroes include Yehudi Menuhin , Noam Chomsky , Finkelstein , Gilad Atzmon , Avishai Cohen , all univesalists , not tribalists

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:19 | 896558 New_Meat
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"My jewish heroes include Yehudi Menuhin , Noam Chomsky..."

lost you at Chomsky.  Please expand.

- Ned

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 00:10 | 896707 knukles
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Bette Midler, too!

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 08:40 | 896941 Gigliola Cinquetti
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For revolutionizing linguistics with his theory of Universal Grammar for starters  . And for being a brave lonely critic and analyst of US foreign policy and having the courage to go against the prevailing opinion post 9/11 .

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 08:55 | 896947 Rodent Freikorps
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You are kidding, right? Shitting on America is quite fashionable in those Ivy League tainted circles.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 13:01 | 897127 Winston Smith 2009
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Being able to see through the lies that take us to war and the wisdom to see that others don't "hate us for our freedoms" but hate us because of what we do to them via the corrupt governments we support and the bombs we drop isn't "Shitting on America."

Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism

"In this paradigm-shifting analysis, University of Chicago political scientist Robert Pape has collected groundbreaking evidence to explain the strategic, social, and individual factors responsible for this growing threat.

One of the world’s foremost authorities on the subject, Professor Pape has created the first comprehensive database of every suicide terrorist attack in the world from 1980 until today. With striking clarity and precision, Professor Pape uses this unprecedented research to debunk widely held misconceptions about the nature of suicide terrorism and provide a new lens that makes sense of the threat we face."

"FACT: Every suicide terrorist campaign has had a clear goal that is secular and political: to compel a modern democracy to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland."

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:44 | 896335 ILikeBoats
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Do you know about Milner and how he came to write the Balfour declaration?

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 19:12 | 896378 Gigliola Cinquetti
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Does it really matter who took the pen and wrote it ? Not saying it's not , but we are drifting off topic . The geopolitics behind it relating to WWI and the US  just seem more important to me .

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:24 | 896096 sgt_doom
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The ONLY possible positive outcome of the economic meltdown (soon to end in another 20 to 30 years) was that the Friedman family (that's the family Thomas "three chins" Friedman married into) lost their billions in the CDO/MBS great disappearance.

(Holy S**t!!!   You mean those MBSes weren't actually based on M(ortgage)s?  So it was just BS? ---- Yup!)

God, how I hate and detest that cretinous half-witted, arithmetically-challenged scumbag.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:30 | 896309 SteveNYC
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I recall, about 6 years ago, I picked up a discarded copy of The World is Flat in my building's laundry. I read a few pages, and couldn't stomach it too well. Ra Ra raaaaabish if you ask me. Friedman is a clown.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 11:49 | 897032 darkaeye
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I'm sure clowns everywhere take great exception to that remark.

Hey Thomas.  The garage called.  Your brain is ready.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 19:54 | 896430 1223pm
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Another possible out come is mass exodos of Jews from United states. just like this happened 79 times in the history of jews before.

"Over the centuries, their behavior has caused their host populations to rise up and throw them bodily out. This has happened about 79 times. Now, elements of them have control of important and powerful parts of America and other white Nations, as well as having their own stolen country in the Mideast that we’re now completely beholden to — no matter what they do to us or what they make us do to the world for them. We are nothing but “Goyim” or cattle to them."

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 17:42 | 896232 Edmund Dantes
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Yep, you got that Right

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 17:42 | 896233 Edmund Dantes
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Yep, you got that Right

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 15:30 | 895995 Segestan
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He misses the whole point... who gives a fuck about Chinas future??? Thats for them to worry about. How about worrying about America ??



Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:11 | 896278 benb
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“He misses the whole point...”

No, I think you miss the point. You’re not supposed to concern yourself with America’s future. We’re supposed to sit down and shut up and let the ‘experts’ take care of it for us.

You know you bring up the important point that the whole thing is rigged for the Chinese Commie Generals to take the advantage. Fifteen years ago when some lopsided deal was being made by our government/puppet traitors I remember hearing the talking heads say over and over to quell criticism  “ … we don’t want to offend U.S. China relations.” Sickening!

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 11:08 | 897012 svendthrift
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Read Henry Ford. The elite in this country is International.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 15:31 | 895996 Paul E. Math
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I appreciate your posting this for us.  But I couldn't get past the introduction. 

"Um-uhh".  Pompous windbag, right off the bat.

It was pathetic that he pretended that his 'Maoism-Reaganism, Communism-Capitalism' series was off-the-cuff when he obviously rehearsed it.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 15:36 | 896000 spekulatn
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Agreed, Paul E. Math. 


Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:31 | 896115 DavidC
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Um-uhh, Paul E. Math, I see what you um-uhh, mean...


Sat, 01/22/2011 - 15:40 | 896008 DaBernank
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Everything he wrote after "From Beirut to Jerusalem" was a waste of ink.

I enojoyed Matt Taibbi's review of "...Flat"

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:09 | 896057 Paul E. Math
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Great review.  Thanks for the link.  I particularly like this little gem:

"On an ideological level, Friedman's new book is the worst, most boring kind of middlebrow horseshit."

Leave it to Matt Taibbi to tell it like it is.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 15:48 | 896017 Fred Hayek
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It's amazing what the passage of time can do. 

After the passage of just some 70 odd years, with Tom Friedman we now have our first Walter Duranty wannabe.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 15:55 | 896018 The Talmud Kid
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Another deranged jewish "expert" jewing, jewfully.  No shortage of those, unfortunately for the rest of us.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 17:32 | 896215 High Plains Drifter
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They always like to blather on about this and that, in their little self important worlds. They hate us  but they live among us and they have to pontificate to us, because their fellow tribal members would consider their bogus discussion and their bogus improper Nobel peace prize to be the bullshit that it in reality is. But what can a parasite do?  They live on the host. As Israeli historian Shlomo Sand has indicated, they have no history to speak of. Yet day in and day out, we are told about the holocaust and how bad they had it and how they suffered and how their legitimacy now must be appropriate now, since they are such a poor discriminated bunch of people, long suffering, and now since 1948, having their own homeland, located on Palestinian lands, which they stole and which they tell the stupid goy that, yes, we are the children of God and yes God told us that the land of ancient Israel is their land. Blah, blah, blah. Damn I sick of these thieves and scoundrels. Point of order from the children of Japeth and just a note to the children of Shem, we see you as you are and we know what you do.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 20:27 | 896465 Rusty Shorts
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The biggest lie of all,, is the idea that white English speaking peoples are "gentiles", when in reality, most white people are descendants of the house of Israel.


And not only the English, but French, German, Scandinavian, Norwegians Canadians, Australians, ect., etc. are of the House of Israel. It all started when Judah (father of the Jews) sold his own brother Joseph to the Ishmaelites...for 20 pieces of Silver.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:08 | 896548 High Plains Drifter
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After the great flood, Noah had  3 sons according to the table of nations. The oldest son was Japeth, the father of the Indo-European races. The middle east areas, at one time , used to be full of white people. Is it not strange how the Egyptian government has tried its best to hide the DNA results of the testing done on some of the some of  Pharoah mummies? Kind of pisses in the corn flakes of these people who call themselves modern day Egyptians , when in fact, they are a mixture of different peoples, and that they had absolutey nothing to do with the ancient Egyptian kingdoms of old. Also, it must be stated that the Phoenician peoples were also Indo European and were the world's first great ocean going sailers and it is interesting to note, that they used to go on long distance voyages lasting years at a time and they probably came to what  was much , much later, known as the "new world".

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 23:18 | 896632 Rusty Shorts
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Yes indeed. Noah, from which we all descended. Noah's father, Lamech, who killed Cain ... and Cain was Lamech's Father ... Cain, who killed Abel, was Adams son.


 ... and the "new world", Roman (B.C.) artifacts have been recovered from the Appalachian Mountains, and the Native Americans made regular visits to Europe.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 23:38 | 896657 Rusty Shorts
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"If one searches long enough and hard enough, one can discover hints that just about any ancient culture you care to name set foot in the New World well before the Vikings and Columbus. Old coins, inscriptions, language concordances, and the like are taken by many as proofs that Egyptians visited Oklahoma, the Chinese moored along the Pacific coast, the Celts toured New England, and so on. Now, according to Professor V. Belfiglio, the ancient Romans had Texas on their itineraries."

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 23:49 | 896678 Rusty Shorts
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"Egyptians visited Oklahoma" -- talk about your Sooners now, fucking aye! .. they were white boys btw.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 20:17 | 897805 Jay Gould Esq.
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Not we Irish, of course.

We hail from the House of Jameson.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 21:16 | 896506 1223pm
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Hitler was a devil but he made some very wise decisions.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 21:52 | 896536 Alienated Serf
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you live on stolen native american land

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:00 | 896542 High Plains Drifter
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But they have found the bones of European man on Indian reservations that are older than any Indian bones, yet we stole the land from the Indians. Hmmm.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:04 | 896546 Alienated Serf
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that a parallel to jews being out of palestine for 5000 years then going back and claiming it as theirs?  otherwise i'd love to read about euro bones older then indian ones.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:44 | 896583 High Plains Drifter
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here is one example. there are more. I shall look for them now.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:59 | 896609 Alienated Serf
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if we didn't steal this country based on presence 9000 years ago, then the jews didn't steal palestine.  i would say we stole america and they stole palestine.  but who cares, don't let the globalists fool you with racial and tribal politics.  keep your eye on the ball and don't be distracted.  you think a good white protestant corporate supremacist wouldn't give your entire family (and thousands of others) cancer with a faulty product to get 1 cent more per share on his options? these scum know no loyalty to anything but money and power, race and country do not interest them.  i am probably wasting my time, but generally you seem like an intelligent guy, so i figured i would throw my two cents in.  

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 23:25 | 896637 zaknick
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I think that guy might be a bit too gone for saving but his basic premise is correct:


dirty joos=juden fetzen!

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 23:39 | 896660 High Plains Drifter
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Well actually there is no corelation between the settling of Amerika and the settling of Palestine by Europeans who are converts to Rabbinical judaism. The question then begs to be asked. What is a jew? You seem to be a intelligent guy. I know I am wasting my time, but maybe a smart guy like you can answer such a infinitesimally sublime question such as this.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 11:43 | 897030 The Talmud Kid
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Certainly we've all read arthur koestler's "The Thirteenth Tribe", haven't we?

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:55 | 896604 High Plains Drifter
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here is another example.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 19:34 | 897758 PenGun
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 Every square inch on Earth is owned by right of conquest.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 15:51 | 896025 midtowng
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Why would I want to listen to this asshole?

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:00 | 896039 turds in the pu...
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people love this doosh - his books are always on the NYT bestsellers list, right up there with 'the secret' and snookie

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:24 | 896097 Traianus Augustus
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People don't love this doosh...elites love this doosh.  You could say he is the mouthpiece doosh for the elitist dooshes!!!

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 20:16 | 896452 turds in the pu...
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yes they do -- do you forget that people tend to be retards?

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 20:38 | 896474 Traianus Augustus
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Well maybe the ones that never actually read his books.  That awful hit piece on the American worker in the World is Flat became the CEO outsource manifesto and took the failed globalization concept from the 1990's and gave it a second life.  Way to go Friedman you @sshole!!!

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 20:21 | 897810 Jay Gould Esq.
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Indeed, Trajan, the distinction is duly noted...and an accurate observation.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 00:28 | 896722 knukles
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Of course his books are always on the NYT bestseller list.  Because that's who the fuck he writes for and the audience of readership is so strugglingly, incompetently small and inbred that it's the same old shit they all read and spout to one another trying to sound erudite.  Kinda.
Insufferable pretentious insular ego-maniacal trained monkeys.

Buncha arrognat elitist wannabe unintellectual racist pretentious inarticulate miserable unethical people.  To paraphrase Goldwater; We'd all be a whole fucking lot better off if New York City was sawn off America and sunk somewhere around the Cape of No Hope. 


Although, gotta admit, the food is awesome.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:03 | 896046 blunderdog
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This guy's really just not at all smart.  That wouldn't bug me a bit if he were a good writer, but he's not that either.

I like the idea that you can become a nationally famous pundit just by spewing nonsense metaphors, though.  Maybe there's hope I'll get rich yet.

"Um, see, the most critical dilemma facing our economic recovery today is whether our bathwater may not be nominally more valuable than our babies.  Chinese consumers are waiting for us in the woodshed with their eyes on our own power tools, and when we eventually catch up, it will be solely even money on who takes the first fall."

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:10 | 896062 SayTabserb
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If you take his pimping for the Iraq invasion (because he really wanted an Arab country, any Arab country, invaded, as he told Charlie Rose) and add to it his cheerleading for sending American jobs to Bangalore and other places where he's learned the truth by talking to cab drivers, who tell him the call center people helping you with your Dell Computer problems will soon be buying all our could reasonably reach the conclusion that this Fat, Short and Clouded windbag is the most destructive American of the last 10 or 15 years.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:11 | 896065 SayTabserb
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If you take his pimping for the Iraq invasion (because he really wanted an Arab country, any Arab country, invaded, as he told Charlie Rose) and add to it his cheerleading for sending American jobs to Bangalore and other places where he's learned the truth by talking to cab drivers, who tell him the call center people helping you with your Dell Computer problems will soon be buying all our could reasonably reach the conclusion that this Fat, Short and Clouded windbag is the most destructive American of the last 10 or 15 years.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:19 | 896083 Jasper M
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Wow, this guy gets a lot of stuff wrong. 180º, as the intro warns. Not unlike a certain other someone's 'kicking and screaming' predictions for oil, gold, and especially silver.

(Oops, did I say that? BAD Zero Hedger, no cookie!)

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:19 | 896086 Rodent Freikorps
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Anti-semetic comments stay and mine gets removed? Nice.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:37 | 896122 The Talmud Kid
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"jews" aren't Semites.  At all.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 17:27 | 896198 blunderdog
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Have you ever read that link?

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 23:07 | 896616 David449420
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No, I think he did not read the link, at all. Wikipedia states in their article ...

The term "anti-Semitic" (or "anti-Semite") overwhelmingly refers to Jews only. It was coined in 1879 by German journalist Wilhelm Marr in a pamphlet called, "The Victory of Germandom over Jewry". Using ideas of race and nationalism, Marr argued that Jews had become the first major power in the West. He accused them of being liberals, a people without roots who had Judaized Germans beyond salvation. In 1879 Marr founded the "League for Anti-Semitism".[2]

I am no more anti-Jewish than I am anti-christian or anti-moslem.  (Well, maybe anti-bankster) All religions; All a joke.  Because we see religion as a poor quality joke does not necessarily make us anti anything.

As for the Dweeb that this article is about.  It really doesn't matter what his affiliation is to.

I'm astonished that he had such a pro-establishment ra-ra mentality that he can present this material with a straight face. You have to question the intelligence of anyone so caught up that they can deliver this nonsense as if they actually believe it.


Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:25 | 896099 Dr. Porkchop
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Why does anybody listen to this twat?

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:51 | 896153 ivars
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Politically, to solve growing delayed problems , if China moves to the left, the USA will move to the right, and if the USA will move to the right, China will move to the left.

That USA could move to the left and China to the right, seems impossible to me, given the effect of Chinas current "right" policies on inflation and most poor masses, the support base of the communist party. These two things are incompatible, the communist party staying at power, building its military muscle and erosion of support in >900 million poor people.

So China to the left, the USA to the right, both rather radically. Who first?

The double dip in the USA may come as early as Q1 2012. That would give ground for right to claim left and the Republican House has messed it up totally, so 2012 will be won by Tea party.

China, seeing double dip in the USA, will move to grab the opportunity and expand its power, which means consolidation of CCP power and militarization on the expense of current capitalist economic growth engine. So, in 2012 Party reshuffle nationalization and militarization plus reduction of income inequality will win, removing middle class from equation.

With China moving to the left and double dip Palin will grab the Presidents post and have Tea Party soon officially running the Congress and, may be, also Senate.

That will lead to further leftism in China on ideological basis, confirmed in spring 2013 National congress.

The basis for increasing confrontation with Chinese seeking to gain benefits on opportunities economically weak and politically divided USA ( the left will radicalize in the USA as a reaction to the Tea Party win) will be set, and America will be fighting back.

That all on the background of rising commodity prices in all paper currencies, including USD. So the volatile inflation component will become permanent,and , by usual logic, monetary easing must stop while the USA is in recession during 2012-2013.

Does anyone see a simple solution of this equation?

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 17:32 | 896216 blunderdog
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So is the "right-wing" Tea Party going to win by promising cuts to SS, Medicare, and the military, or by promising to increase taxes to pay the bills?

Or will they just dispense with any sort of political platform and go with a charismatic leader, you think?

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:19 | 896264 ivars
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It would be populist, so give what the majority of the "right" population wants. Scalps of, jailed bankers- sure. Taxes on big oil companies- welcome. Heavily Regulated banking- why not. Protestant work ethic- to be enforced. Tax heavens closed -they are only needed for elites anyway. Self responsibility- propaganded as biggest character gift. Borders secured- sure.

I am not fully aware of SS, Medicare problems the USA has accumulated but I understand no one has a solution. Family takes more responsibility  for the relatives, for example. Increased birth rate, subsidies to people having children and family. Profiling of people. Some discrimination. Less democracy, more efficiency as country will be in crisis state.

There will be no cuts for military, instead, military industries will thrive as opposition to lost economic and ideological superiority. There will be followers, of course.

Charizmatic leader is a must. Populism thrives on that. Elites, lobbying, earmarks etc.  will be dismantled rather forcefully. Consolidation of power based on some new ( not historically) ideology-competition drives development, individuals sponsor ( support) those who can not compete ( but not those who would not).

I mean, given internal economic and external geopolitical threats, for the second (or third, if we count 1776)  time there has to be a fundamental transformation of how things are done in the USA, what are the values.

Almost a revolution, but little subtler than in previous cases because of information proliferation. Things take longer time as there is a lot of buzz after every action. But, in a country in a deep crisis, unfortunately, no change means defeat.  Defeat of the Western civilization (from Chinese and their copycats)  I  do not see for at least another 50 years, and during that time, alternative solutions may appear as further confrontation brings in notion of WWIII with casualties closer to billions than millions. That is of course one solution to Earth carrying capacity and overconsumption by hyperexponential growth of population and consumtion per capita, but may be there are others.

Lack of population in the West is a major concern to be adressed, so is income gap between the West and the rest.

Anyway, different set of values, I guess, is the most important thing. Less government distribution of money, more direct charity. Less focus on what pleases and what are my rights as opposed to what are my duties. Changes in Goverment promised pensions if they are in any sense superior to private sector ( I do not know).

I bet they will come up with own economic ideas. E.g. liquidate the fed, regulate banks like utilities as transaction faciliators, not bubble creators.

Something like in Germany after 1929, but different. May be not so insane, more rational - though who knows how it may develop when society radicalizes and splits into parts of all kinds- ideology, religion, race,special minorities , may be more subbtle differences rather than the old antagonisms.

But.. the todays USA is the Germany of 1930, and todays China is the Soviet Union of 1930, while todays Germany or rather Europe in general might be the USA of 1930-suffering, but not directly involved nor willing to get involved in the USA-China grandstand.

Russia of today may be the first firm ally of such USA. Because China is the biggest current threat to Russias resource base in Siberia and Central Asia.And Japan. South Korea and Taiwan can be considered lost.




Sat, 01/22/2011 - 19:43 | 896421 blunderdog
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SS/Medicare are about 40% of the Federal budget.  That's a big issue, and what I see as the primary reason the "Tea Party" (it's really not much of a party) can't hope to achieve anything.

If the Tea Party is actually committed to reducing spending, that means take most of the money from the tens of millions of older folks currently depending on the Feds for medical care...or survival AND medical care.  Means-testing these programs is associated with socialism, which isn't a favored term by many self-described Tea Partiers.

The Tea Party movement demographic tends to skew a bit older and more affluent, which means generally favoring tax cut policy rather than aggressive increases on the wealthy.  Big business taxation is notoriously difficult to enforce, but even if it were enforced, costs of products would likely be increased to compensate.

The problem with the Tea Party is it isn't a "party," and its goals and agenda are all self-contradictory.  If it goes anywhere, it'll just end up being our own violent totalitarian regime. 

People want simple solutions, but there aren't simple solutions when the problems are too big and too complex.  It's basically time to trash the global economic system and float a new currency, but I don't hear the Tea Partiers promoting that ideal.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 10:35 | 896999 ivars
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One solution would be to make voting rights symmetrical, 0-18 do not vote, above 80-18=62 years do not vote.

Not sure that is what tea party is about, but they do not really want to put too much responsibilty into Goevernment hands anyway, so they could try to solve SS by putting it on States instead.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:17 | 896288 Dr. Porkchop
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The problem with SS is that it's pretty popular with the old folk, who do most of the voting. Now the baby boomers are getting ready to start retiring en masse, another big demographic. SS is going to be a hard one to cut.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:43 | 896298 ivars
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You only need few more votes than the other side, provided that the other side owns a second dip. Voting for 2012 should not be a problem. After that, once out of 2013 recession, in 2014 things will move up- who will dare to change the regime? Perhaps state bankruptcies will also begin before 2012 elections? So that old folk will feel threatened already before 2012?

A double dip means approx 4% contraction of the economy in 2012 relative to 2011, and 0 growth in 2013. How would states cope? What will happen to unemployment and possibilities to grow the army cheaply? Or get work force for fast Intra USA oil/gas supply development? Both of these should be profitable investments.

Also, in 2014 there still might be American military action to alleviate internal problems by securing more oil and maybe driving the price down, at least stabilizing it. If Iran gets close to nuke, there is nothing that will stop the Tea Party from acting there, using the opposition or Israel. The whole Iraq-Iran-Afganistan-Pakistan-Central Asia region is one big resource base. You only need one strong ally - probably Russia- to take advantage of Irans miscalculations of grandeur.


Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:31 | 896313 nmewn
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Revise the law that on the following year after enactment anyone who turns eighteen will not have SS taxes confiscated from their check.

Those who are eighteen through thirty nine only pay half of what they pay in now. Forty to retirement is opt in/out.

Let it die.

Anyone see a problem with this?

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:45 | 896339 ivars
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No, children should take care of their parents. That will also solve the birth number problem as children will become Your pension quarantee.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 19:10 | 896374 nmewn
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But for those without children (I'm not heartless) something can be arranged.

The banks can give them some of their muni bond portfolio ;-)

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:41 | 896581 New_Meat
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"The banks can give them some of their muni bond portfolio ;-)"

Young skull full of mush and I are investigating who is insuring certain munis, watching for shorting ops.

We're with Whitney vs. Levitt and all of the muni apologists.

- Ned

OT: you cracka's never (you hope) get to use such cool tools as these ;-)

spent the day raking 1837, 1812, and a neighbors 1888 houses.  don'tcha know.


Sun, 01/23/2011 - 06:44 | 896901 nmewn
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"Young skull full of mush and I are investigating who is insuring certain munis, watching for shorting ops."

Lemme know what you come up with...they can't/won't be able to print their way out of this one...the butchers special has turned from fillet mignon' to hamburger, they will throw every employee they have over the side to save themselves.

"you cracka's never (you hope) get to use such cool tools as these..."

Shit no bro, that's one reason I gotta 12:1 pitch on my roof...not for snow, but for the damn carbon units falling outta the trees twice a year...LOL...but ya never know, when Gore or Cramer get behind something it's the contraiest of contrary indicators...probably a damn Ice Age comin ;-)

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 04:01 | 896847 ivars
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Not good:) . They should adopt children (there are always some unfortunate) early and raise them to the standard of morality that will ensure also these children care about these parents and ensure their good and happy life in old days. Little extra effort.


Oh, by the way, one can put voting age limit. You start voting at 18, end at (average life length-18) , so around 62. or 70. That would help, I guess, to remove voting bias that favors old people.




Sun, 01/23/2011 - 07:02 | 896908 nmewn
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Adoptions good...the red tape is horrendous, looked into it awhile back.

Man...don't get me started with voting can vote and shoot for your country at 18 but you can't do a shot.

It's almost like they set it up to piss young people off...don't do well in school we'll fuck with your ability to have a drivers license so you can't get a's endless with them screwin with young people.

My personal opinion...if you are a ward of the state you don't get a say at the ballot box. It's the same as a beggar cutting out having to stand out in the hot sun at the intersection begging for money and instead just collecting it inside the air conditioned DL office and calling it efficient government...LOL.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 10:40 | 897003 ivars
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Also good idea. Those on taxpayer paychecks do not vote. That should reduce their pension benefits etc.


But that would not solve the birth rate problem. Limiting voting age to 70 years would.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 16:58 | 896168 chet
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Friedman explains things that the business world understood ten years earlier to old people.  And he still gets it wrong.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 17:10 | 896181 creviceCaress
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i liked that. 

....uh, anybody know how we can speed this up?


anybody wanna peanut?

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 17:31 | 896202 Dick Buttkiss
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Thomas Friedman (spoken or written) is like watching an endless replay of Arthur Laffer vs. Peter Schiff. Without Peter Schiff:

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 17:31 | 896203 Spalding_Smailes
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Jim Chanos - About China -


Hendry Says World May Make `Error of Judgement' on China


Michael Aronstein Says Emerging Currencies in `Bubble'


Sat, 01/22/2011 - 17:30 | 896209 Cap
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Hey, Skylocracy and Gigliola Cinquetti, go peddle your anti-semitic, anti-israel, anti-zionism conspiracy theories and blather elsewhere you morons.   


Why is it that ZH attracts so many ignorant skinheads like yourselves ?  Can't you find a good hate site to hang out on ?


Make sure you ask your Jewish friends where and when the next Elders of Zion secret meeting is being held.



Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:17 | 896287 Sudden Debt
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Because 99% of the world population hate Jews.


So that's also why you'll meet them everywhere.


ps: Did I already tell you I spit on them to? :)

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 19:17 | 896389 Die Weiße Rose
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Hey, Sudden Debt stop posting when you're drunk

Jewish people are brilliant beautiful and talented.

Think of Albert Einstein,Barbara Streisand,Leonard Bernstein

and too many to mention here...

If you are drunk,go to bed!

Don't post racist ignorant bullshit on the net,

hiding behind some dead beat racist avatar bullshit,

advertising your stupidity to the whole world.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 20:24 | 896461 1223pm
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"Jewish people are brilliant beautiful and talented"

No doubt about that, but they are like leaches sucking American blood.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 17:30 | 896210 Cap
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Hey, Skylocracy and Gigliola Cinquetti, go peddle your anti-semitic, anti-israel, anti-zionism conspiracy theories and blather elsewhere you morons.   


Why is it that ZH attracts so many ignorant skinheads like yourselves ?  Can't you find a good hate site to hang out on ?


Make sure you ask your Jewish friends where and when the next Elders of Zion secret meeting is being held.



Sat, 01/22/2011 - 19:51 | 896426 Hephasteus
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Wow they just air drop out of a c-130 galaxy dns portal.

I get the feeling jews may be big brothering people.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:47 | 896589 New_Meat
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heph--psst dude: C130=Hercules,  C5=Galaxy

Big brothering people?

SEIU folks be in your direction.

- Ned

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 23:31 | 896639 Hephasteus
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Well it's just too weird. Have you ever seen that movie fabled enemies. It's just playing out too much like that.

All it takes is a mention of the jews and it bring out a horde of posters. It can't be consequence. These people are not sitting at home thinking. I never post on zerohedge I never read zerohege I think I'll go pop by and read it. They just show up and start crowd controlling.

It's kind of the perfect chess move. You want to controll the world so 2nd world controller abuses shit out of one kind of people. Those people deserve so much protection that it allows a huge safety net from which to operate secretely behind. It's like the jews slaughtered their ownself to become a "legitimate" monster that is going to slaughter everyone. For all that to be hidden so well for so long during wwII it had to have been for some future purpose. It just feels like a sympathy magician move to me.

Somebody better explain all this and soon.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 23:36 | 896654 Hephasteus
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Yep I just checked serveral of cap's read list and most of them contain the keyword "jew".  It looks like we know now what the information technology revolution was about. They are going to 'cop' the entire ideosphere.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 23:40 | 896664 Hephasteus
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You make serveral good points but how are they going to do this.

Well I'm glad you asked. There's an odd computer out there named "apple" and it uses a program that is deeply entrenched and embedded in it's operating system named "python". Python is wonderful at parsing phrases and numbers and codes. This could explain apple pumpers. And some willingness to support and contribute to linux. Of course they won't do shit for lnux video but they'll just throw fucking people at python. They keep updating it and updating it and recently moved it to take of the sysinit v with a multiprocessor version. That way they can parse and spy on one of your cores constantly.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 11:20 | 897019 Spalding_Smailes
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Cypress Hill - Hits From Da Bong


Hits from the bong
Hits from the bong
Hits from the bong

Pick it, pack it
Fire it up, come along
And take a hit from the bong
Put the blunt down just for a second
Don't get me wrong it's not a new method
Inhale, exhale
Just got a ounce in the mail
I like a blunt or a big fat cone
But my double barrel bong is gettin' me stoned
Home skillet, there's water inside don't spill it
It smells like shit on the carpet
Still it, goes down smooth when I get a clean hit
Of the skunky funky smelly green shit
Sing my song, puff all night long
As I take hits from the bong

Hits from the bong y'all
Can I get a hit?
Hits from the bong
Can I get a hit?
Hits from the bong
Cam I get a...




Sun, 01/23/2011 - 21:21 | 897902 Hephasteus
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Brilliant retort. I know when my ass is kicked.


Sat, 01/22/2011 - 17:33 | 896211 Cap
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Sat, 01/22/2011 - 17:47 | 896225 ebworthen
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Friedman's basic assumption is that I could go home to his Wife and family, eat his dinner, watch a movie with his kids, make love to his Wife, then next morning get up and go to work and everything will be hunky-dory.

Human beings do not fit his fantasy; never have, never will.  

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 20:30 | 897823 Jay Gould Esq.
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Any woman who would have Friedman...I think I'll pass on her. Hirsute chicks aren't my bag.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 17:39 | 896228 QQQBall
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Look at that pensive pose with his chin in his hand, BFFT indeed.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 02:53 | 898193 Problem Is
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Fried-man is just constipated...
As for his endless, self aggrandizing, moronic, anal pontificating...

If I am sent to hell... I will have to watch that ass hole Charlie Rose interview Fried-man for eternity...

Fried-man's Qualifications To Be an Expert on Everything?
Expert on everything from technology to economics...

Mediterranean Studies? No, really?

Fried-man is a jack off of no trades and a master-bater bar none...

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 17:42 | 896231 High Plains Drifter
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Speaking of people called Friedman. Just another blast from the past, a time when I listened to this man and thought he was on our side, but of course I was completely wrong. An analysis of the theories and life of our dear departed dual citizen twit, none other than Milton Friedman, by a former Israeli jew, Gilad Atzmon. Free enerprize and Laissez Faire economics has allowed jews to steal and rob and run rampant over our society and its cultural ,financial and religious structures without fear of retribution( so far). Our government and its regulatory agencies are under deep capture and these institutions must be reclaimed or it is finished and this has to happen very, very soon.

....But it goes further -- it is also plainly clear that the bailout schemes are there to amend a colossal disaster caused by the endorsement of Friedman’s own ideology. We are all paying a very heavy price for free enterprise, hard capitalism, or, in general, the ideologies Friedman was so enthusiastic about.....

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 09:40 | 896269 Dick Buttkiss
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"...paying a very heavy price for free enterprise"?

Jesus, what planet are you living on? We live under a regime of fascialism that has as much to do with freedom as rape has to do with love-making:

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 09:44 | 896976 Dick Buttkiss
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Flagged by someone who is either an apologist for coercion (state action in any and all its forms) or doesn't understand the inextricable link between freedom and free enterprise.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 16:11 | 897431 Dick Buttkiss
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Ah, there you are! Thanks for the quick comeback! You've convinced me how wrong I was! 

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 20:15 | 896450 FatFingered
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"Free enerprize and Laissez Faire economics has allowed jews to steal and rob and run rampant over our society and its cultural ,financial and religious structures without fear of retribution( so far). Our government and its regulatory agencies are under deep capture and these institutions must be reclaimed or it is finished and this has to happen very, very soon."


HPD, do you have any idea what free enerprize[sic] or laissez faire mean?


Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:40 | 896578 High Plains Drifter
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Is that kind of like free trade and Nafta of 1994? Is that like repeal of Glass Steagall in 1998 helped along by that great conservative, Phil Gram? Is that like most favored nation status for the Chi coms in 1994 while that great conservative Newt Gingrich was speaker of the house during the Republican revolution? Yes sir, I understand the usage of the terminolgy and I understand what it means. I studied at the feet of the harmless little fuzz ball much too long during these dark ages of my ignorance.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 21:47 | 896246 benb
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“…In other words: take everything Friedman says and flip it 180 degrees and you will be on the right path.” TD

 Good advice not to even bother watching the video. On occasion I almost paid attention to this Thomas Friedman jackass until he went around in 2003 selling how great the Iraq war was for the Middle East and his a new day had dawned presentation. Total dis-info B.S. Friedman is heir to a multi-billion dollar fortune and an obvious NWO propagandist. From what I’ve heard guys like Friedman and Klugman get paid to pump out the propaganda along with a very extensive list of other media figures.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:23 | 896296 nmewn
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Friedman, a statist leftwinger, who adores the authoritarian Chinese government, projecting that everyone in the USA also envies it...I made it 30 seconds...LOL.

Skipping through the comments, we find other leftists, placing their copy of Mao's little red book on the side table and jumping to the keyboard to deflect the simple fact that he (Friedman) is, in fact, a statist leftist enamoured with with Chinese authoritarian rule by screeching zionist lackey jooo!!!...when in fact there are very few joos in China.

Amazing...simply amazing.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 21:45 | 897927 weinerdog43
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Wrong.  Again.  As usual.  Christ, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.  


Friedman is not a 'left winger'.  But keep thinking that if it will keep your tiny brain from exploding from learning about actual facts. 

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:34 | 896320 seenod2010
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In my opinion, The summary article "It's a Flat World, after All" by Thomas Friedman The New York Times April 3, 2005 and Annual Editions "Global Issues" 26th Ed McGraw-Hill 2011 (82-86) suggests that Thomas Friedman's sense of geopolitics are delusional and dangerous. I suspect that someday soon; the US will be forced into conducting balance of power politics, which according to Kissinger's work "Diplomacy", the US wants to avoid conducting in balance of power politics, yet globalization essentially ensures conducting balance of power politics.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:45 | 896338's picture

The most unimpressive Pulitzer winner ever. Mr. Obvious...thank you. Your presentations are "flat".

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:47 | 896343 Die Weiße Rose
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just buy the fucking dip,that's all you ever need to know !

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 18:59 | 896357 Sad Sufi
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Yes, he was a tireless, mindless War promoter, backing up his murderous plans with half-baked "smarty pants" logic.  The elites love him because he dupes the liberals into believing that war is good and globalization is "the only answer."

Fun to see a nice long thread beating up on this dangerous windbag!

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 19:17 | 896385 gwar5
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You had me at the first sentence...

Friedman may have a master's on Middle East, but he's just another idiot married to a strip mall billionairess on everything else. It's easy for him to say we should be like China, as long as he thinks he'll be spared his property rights for towing the commie line.

Leftover stock of Thomas Friedman Christmas dolls still available...


Tom Friedman Talking Doll Won’t Stop Talking!






Sat, 01/22/2011 - 20:23 | 896460 FatFingered
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"It’s the Talking Thomas Friedman Doll, direct from a business-class flight from some exotic foreign destination with Pizza Huts and golf courses! He’s so full of shit, your dogs will try to eat him!"

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 19:23 | 896393 Dr. Porkchop
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Put Thomas on with Matt Taibbi and let him be ripped to shreds.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 19:39 | 896410 swmnguy
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I remember maybe a decade ago, I read one of Friedman's columns about China.  He was talking about how China was making progress by leaps and bounds, because he had stayed in a hotel considered quite deluxe in Beijing in the early 1990's and he got shitty service and orange juice that tasted like Tang.  Now, in the early 2000's, he was getting great service and fabulous fresh-squeezed orange juice.

I have been to Beijing 3 times, and stayed in 3 different hotels.  Twice I got shitty service.  Twice I got OJ that tasted like Tang.  By the way, at only one hotel did I get both; the others were mix-and-match.

And the conclusion I drew from my experience, that I could extrapolate out from to write a best-seller?  Not a fucking thing.  Bupkes.  I once got terrible OJ at a spendy hotel in Florida.  And another time, shitty service at the Waldorf-Astoria in NYC.

In his classic work on Lebanon, Robert Fisk says that Thomas Friedman was at one time a top-notch reporter on the Middle East.  Out of respect for Fisk's work I'll grant Friedman that.

But now, and for at least the past 20 years, as he has become a pillar of establishment wisdom and married a billionairess, Thomas Friedman is a dildo, at best.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 19:40 | 896415 Hedgetard55
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Friedman: one more self loathing Jewish libtard who can't think his way out of a paper bag.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 19:41 | 896418 lindaamick
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thomas friedman is a disgrace to the human race.  he is a lower life form.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 20:20 | 896458 Amish Hacker
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It really doesn't matter how flat Thomas Friedman thinks the world is. What's harder to forgive is that he was such a fervent supporter of the Project for a New American Century (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, et al.), and he advocated so eagerly on behalf of paranoid delusion as a foreign policy.

Remember the Friedman Unit? It was a unit of time, usually calculated as "another 6 months," during which the carnage in Iraq would be magically transformed into peace and stability, thanks to an American policy that was as brilliant as it was infallible. The Friedman Unit was self-renewing, it goes without saying.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 20:41 | 896476 blunderdog
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Yeah, I think it's pretty safe to re-peg the Friedman Unit on "decade," and we can apply it both to the wars and to our economic recovery.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 20:53 | 896489 FatFingered
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I just threw up in my mouth before I could get my cursor over the pause button in part one.

Friedman is the lowest kind of scum.  At least his assholes masters make a shitload of money making the wars he sells.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 21:39 | 896524 no cnbc cretin
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Thomas Friedman, is fucking douche bag. I don't what hear what he has to say about anything. He's a tool and a sell out.
Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:04 | 896545 lynnybee
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  " Over the past twenty years, few people have been as discredited in their worldview as New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman. "    ....then why does he still have a platform & a job !  ...... I'm asking truthfully, is it because he is Jewish ?   so, if he's Jewish then, we don't dare criticize him because people will call US racist ! ?   For years I didn't have a clue about how many Jewish people were in our government pulling strings........ i wasn't political, didn't even know that Henry Kissinger was Jewish, & I thought Rahm Emanuel was LATINO !!! ........ now that I'm doing so much reading up on politics, it's just damn obvious that our government sure does have a lot of Jewish people running this country !  WHY ?  someone tell me why .   something sure does seem fishy to me, something just isn't right with this & yet, if I speak out I get junked !! 

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:09 | 896550 Alienated Serf
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no one would deny there are a lot of jews in finance and politics.  its when people think there is a worldwide conspiracy that the junks start to fly

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 23:15 | 896628 gwar5
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Friedman is jewish but not that into it. He's a beer stein jew, not Goldstein jew. 

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 11:19 | 897017 New_Meat
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"....then why does he still have a platform & a job ! "

I'm guessing that is a question, even though is is absolutely unbelievable in any real sense.  Sad truth--he's not writing for you or me.  He's writing for a small group of the ruling class.  They believe his nostrums about almost anything.

How are those NYT Class B shares working out?;ran...

Sulzbergers have a lock on the corporation; Pinch has other like interests that are like diverting his attention, y'know?  Allows them to lose millions of OPM and continue on their way.  See e.g. and the Atlantic article (no cesspool of rightist conservatism there):

- Ned


Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:21 | 896562 lynnybee
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but, why ?  when i was a kid no one even knew who worked in Washington !   we led our lives basically oblivious to who was in Washington .   something isn't the same as when i was a kid & it's bothering me, i don't understand !   I'll ask the same question again:   Why are so many Jewish people involved in the U.S. GOVERNMENT ?   Like in CLINTON & OBAMA administration, these administrations seems like there's an unusually large amount of Jewish people ?   If anyone can answer, let me know.     I'm of Dutch heritage & what if lots of DUTCH people were running this country ?  .......... would anyone say anything ?

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:30 | 896570 Alienated Serf
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why are there so many blacks in the nba?

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 01:36 | 896772 Ham Wallet
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Jews have an extra bone in their ankle.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 15:07 | 897343 knukles
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Sometimes I get an extra bone in my undies.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:36 | 896573 lynnybee
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alright, I just finished listening to the whole thing.   I should have kept my comments to myself until AFTER I listened to this FORA.TV lecture.    He sounds like he's got a hidden agenda for the NEW WORLD ORDER/WORLD GOVERNMENT/ CENTRAL BANK of CENTRAL BANKS ............ basically, HE SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER DAMN LIBERAL ASSHOLE who doesn't care a shit about America, but, he sure does sound like he cares about an authoritarian agenda for American Citizens .......... I don't care whether he's JEWISH, IRISH, GERMAN or DUTCH...........HE'S AN ASS & needs to leave the country if he doesn't like it here.

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:49 | 896592 Alienated Serf
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spot on lynny.  globalist nwo types come in all flavors.  greed and control is their creedo, it is not based on anything else.  these types often use distraction techniques to get people to focus anywhere else.  i find it sad when i see people falling for their smokescreens.  a globalist blue blood has more in common with a globalist gypsy then he would have in common with a libertarian blue blood.  for many years i worked in a DC based law firm and interacted with these types.  the firm had a blue team and a red team. one team rotated out of government (cabinet level positions) and back into the firm when clinton was out and W was in.  the other team rolled right into W's admin.  the same happened when Obama got in.  all these people play for the same team.  ethnicity, political persuasion, geographic location, gender, none of it means shit.  they are amoral monsters who are ONLY interested in power and wealth. its all GREED GREED GREED.  it was so disgusting i quit and took a 75% pay cut so i wouldn't lose my mind.  these fuckers have more or less succeeded in a global coup d'etat to center power in supranational corporations.   

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 23:30 | 896643 zaknick
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Wow, alienated !!  That must have been one heck of an experience. Talk about cognitive dissonance. You should have stayed on the inside and collected evidence to help bring them down one day.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 00:20 | 896719 Alienated Serf
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zak, i truly regret that i haven't done that.  however, unlike like our military, these corps. and law firms are meticulous with electronic records.  once i walked down a stairwell because the elevator was taking too long, and passed by sensors on the way down.  the next day i got a call from security "what were you doing on the 14th floor?"  so pulling a wikileaks move would have been hard.  

i have worked on investigations for almost every type scandal and scam that has appeared on this blog, which is why i started reading it.  MBS, GSEs, lehman, options backdating, "war on terror," etc etc etc.  one reason i know at least one of the tylers knows what is up is the constant mocking of fed employees not having bloomberg, most don't, and the ones that do can't even use it!!! its a constant joke.  

but fuck it, you want a little tidbit, seems the FSA stumbled on some very bad things the BOE was doing, then this was announced:

George Osborne moved to redress what he described as the spectacular regulatory failure of the City, announcing the abolition of the Financial Services Authority and a sweeping increase in the Bank of England’s powers.

Mervyn King, the Bank’s governor, will become one of the most powerful central bankers in the world, with a new remit to prevent the build--up of risk in the financial system in addition to his monetary policy role.


i almost puked when i read that, and got out of the game.  

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 05:24 | 896871 Hephasteus
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Yep and it's too much trouble to try to beat them down and get them back under control. Nothing to do but leave from my view. Never return never continue with this stupid so called genetic experiment. Just gotta perfect my cocktail of fuck off or I'll kill, mixed with one part drown in a tub of I don't give a shit till you stop kicking energy drink.

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 20:39 | 897846 Jay Gould Esq.
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Supranational corporations, in a symbiotic relationship with Government.

The definition of fascism, is it not ?

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 22:55 | 896606 New_Meat
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just figuring this out?

Sat, 01/22/2011 - 23:40 | 896663 chindit13
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I think Friedman nailed it.  Spot on.  The world is flat, just like the smartest people on the planet believed two millennia ago.

Problem is, the US is on the bottom side and falling, just as those in the real Flat Earth Society feared.

I must be on the bottom side, too, at least the side opposite what Friedman is on, because I fly all over the world as I know it and I've never found the world of which he speaks.  Maybe if I dig me a really deep hole.....

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