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Three Killed In Gaza Airstrike As Mossad Chief Says Israel "Risks Becoming A Burden On The US"
It appears that tensions are escalating between Gaza and Isreal. The Jerusalem Post reports that 3 members of an Islamic militant group had been killed after launching two rockets into southern Israel, which "landed in open areas and caused no injuries." This was allegedly immediately followed by an airborne retaliation: "The IDF confirmed it had carried out an airstrike Tuesday, and Gaza's chief medical examiner said there were three deaths." Doesn't end there: the Israeli media reports that "two Palestinian terrorists were identified infiltrating into Israel from the southern Gaza Strip earlier this morning. The soldiers on the scene exchanged fire with the terrorists, killing them both." We are still awaiting for the other perspective on these escalations, although so far have been unable to attain an impartial view on events.
In other news Al Jazeera quotes Mossad Chief Meir Dagan as saying on Tuesday that Israel is progressively becoming a burden on the United States. "Israel is gradually turning from an asset to the United States to a burden," said Dagan, speaking before the Knesset's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee.
Also, here is the latest news on the Gaza flotilla massacre:
A senior Israeli occupation army officer also spoke at the committee meeting on Tuesday, explaining the details of the army's operation on the Gaza flotilla on Monday.
He said that the army had decided against sabotaging a ship in the Gaza flotilla at the center of Monday's deadly clashes, out of fear that the vessel would be stranded in the middle of the ocean and at risk of a humanitarian crisis.
And in all this hoopla, the whole world has ignored the fact that three Israeli German-made subs (the irony here is beyond commentary) armed with nuclear cruise missiles are now tactically positioned just off the Iranian coast. One can only hope the escalation in regional hostilities does not lead to a direct offensive involving substances that have a far longer half-life than the ECB's intervention in currency markets these days.
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Hey, maybe Marla can do a humorous puff piece about this as well.
Or perhaps you can do a whole "Best of Israeli Genocide" series. You have a lot of material to work from. Let's see: Sabra and Shatila, Jenin, Gaza circa 2009.
You go girl!
I am Chumbawamba.
Now now, you antisemite you...
Read the Goldstone Report, then let us know your thoughts. And yes, READ IT in full, not just make a comment here without reading the actual text.
And BTW, the anti- and self-hatred are old/lame and tired. Next thing we know you'll be calling all ZH'ers racist. Oh, and say hi to Mossad for us and let them know they needs to stop assassinating people... plus using illegal passports.
It is really funny when zionists use the expression "self-hatred" to refer to the thousands of jews around the world which oppose zionism and Israel.
Hilarious...
Massive Israeli celebration in front of Turkish embassy in Tel Aviv. Yay! We're all pirates now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIJ3imMwZaE
FYI: MANY Rabbis (and people) in Israel are not happy with the current Israel regime. And yes, heard this first hand from those with ears on the ground.
MarketTruth:
While reading ZH's comments section (but not just), better make 100% sure the glasses you're wearing are Superior Advanced Readability Certified Accurate Sarcasm Material™ compatible grade, at the risk of otherwise failing to properly Getting It™ and actually Missing the Point™.
Just sayin', thou (don't shoot me)...
Allah Love the Jews!!!
They have all, All! No... Wait! ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of the other land around to live on... the one... little slice that the Jews have defended against attack... by multiple other Countries, at once...
Well it seems to me, the Will of Allah... is that the Jews keep what they have plus some... for the effort. God's Will, will be done... says the Camel Jockey’s, if that's true then the Jews are in good standing with Allah.
I offer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War as proof, positive... that Allah is on the Jews side.
Yes, really. If you criticize a single hair on Israel's head, you are an anti-semite. Anti-semitism is a sin (Ezekiel 25:17), therefore you are a Bad Person. The country of Israel speaks for and represents the Jewish religion, it's in the scriptures somewhere.
All that Israel does is good; anyone who doesn't approve is bad.
If the Nazis used torture and collective punishment of those who attacked them (the so-called 'resistance fighters'), then it was bad because Nazis were bad. But if Israel uses these tactics then it is good, because Israel is good. Nazi conquerors had no right to defend themselves, but Israel's right is unlimited. It's a question of bad guys versus good guys.
And the U.S. is good for supporting Israel unconditionally. If everyone else in the world disapproves (and they do, ask around), then they're all going to hell for opposing God's chosen country.
You can read it all here:
http://www.nkusa.org/
Why not go attack your local cop with a metal bar?
If you could also get a mate to film you getting your face blown off it would provide us with a laugh.
If he gets on my boat and tries to shoot me with a paintball gun you bet your droopy British ass that I'm going to whack him with a metal bar, fool.
I am Chumbawamba.
chumbawamba
No fucking paintball gun, a scoped automatic weapon probably a TAVOR
I'm surprised the dedicated gun enthusiasts haven't identified the exact model by now.
It was a paintball gun.
Why do you even allow yourself to get mired in one of Marla's idiotic sideshows? What does it matter if it was a paintball gun or a BB gun or a water gun? Perhaps Marla can explain the dead somehow?
Unless she wants to deny that there were any casualties at all. So far I haven't seen her address that, but merely obfuscate further.
But be careful not to corner her: she might get dangerous and start using even longer run-on sentences.
I am Chumbawamba.
chumbawamba
Because the man person standing in front of the "paintball gun" has obviously been shot.
To accept the idiotic paintball gun idea makes that shooting valid, reasonable and acceptable.
The paintball gun meme is making the rounds.
Obviously the 20k Israeli paid posters are earning their money today downplaying this incident.
I'm still confused that no gun fan has identified the weapon, I think it is a TAVOR model.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/tavor_04.jpg
Could be this
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2729530/2/istockphoto...
Umm... it's because they were using paintball guns. They were carrying sidearms but were told to use nonlethal force unless their life was seriously threatened. As they slid down the rope one by one they were overwhelmed by the activists. They did not anticipate the amount of resistence. At some point an activist wrestled a sidearm from a commando and started shooting. Only then did the commandos get the green light to use their sidearms. Had the activists agreed to be escorted to Ashdod and had not decided to use lethal force first, there would be no casualties right now. It's pretty obvious for anyone willing to objectively look at the situation that the aid was never the point. The point was always to provoke Israel and bullrush the blockade. As one of the leaders said, "We will either break the blockade or be martyred while trying." That doesn't sound like any "peace" activists I know.
Which lends the question... Why did they board the vessel in the first place?
If the Royal Canadian Mounted Police enters your home in the United States, without a governing body or police force, what should your response be?
There's ad nauseum discussion on the incident, little about the escalation of the event in international waters...
The Flotilla was attempting to illegally enter a blockade. They were told that they would be escorted by the Israeli navy to the port of Ashdod where the aid could be inspected and then delivered to gaza by the UN. They were given multiple warnings that if they refused, the commandos would board the ship and force them to dock at Ashdod. They refused, so the commandos boarded the ship like they said they would. The reason the ship was not allowed to enter the blockade (and the reason the blockade exists) is simple. The IHH, Hamas, and other related organizations use humanitarian aid and other benign shipments to illegally smuggle in weapons to Gaza. Everyone seems to ignore the fact that Egypt has a blockade too for the same exact reason.
The reason they conducted this 70mi out in international waters rather than waiting for them get 50mi closer and cross the blockade is also simple. At the time it was conducted, around 4am, was the last night before the Flotilla reached Gaza. Conducting this type of op in the daylight is insane. It would have put both the soldiers and the activists at greater risk and I can guarantee the body count would have been even higher. This was the last chance they had to conduct this as safely as possible. Obviously, even under the best of circumstances, shit can go wrong. They made the decision that it was more important to conduct this op in a way that presented the least possible risk rather than worry about political/media outcry about the Flotilla being 50mi closer. If it was in Egyptian or Lebonese waters, that's a different story. That would not be ok.
And for the record, there have been 9 Free Gaza flotillas; Israel allowed 5 through, until they put up the blockade after the Gaza War. Since then they've stopped 4, including this one. A blockade is a blockade. You can disagree about whether there should be one, but fact is, there is one, and it is clear that Israel had a legal right to board the ship if you look at 67(a) of Part III, Section V of San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea: http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/57JMSU
Another fact: Humanitarian relief is delivered to Gaza from Israel on a daily basis. During the first three months of this year, 94,500 tons of supplies were transferred to Gaza from Israel, including 48,000 tons of food products; 40,000 tons of wheat; 2,760 tons of rice; 1,987 tons of clothes and footwear; and 553 tons of milk powder and baby food for the strip’s 1.5 million inhabitants. Representatives of international aid groups and the United Nations move freely to and from the Gaza Strip.
Also, even though I am apparently defending the enemy in the eyes of the ZH community, at least I am offering a rational argument and supporting it with facts. Why are my posts being flagged like it's going out of style?
You can always tell when a zionist is lying when they employ the word "fact".
I am Chumbawamba.
Oh, they saved lives. Good.
Are you Jewish by any chance? I'm not discrediting anything you're saying. I just want to fairly judge your level of impartiality.
Bullshit. It was an attempt to bring critical aid to the imprisoned Gazans. If it was just for show then why would they go through the charade of loading up the ship with tons of materials and food?
I love these crazy conspiracy theories the zionists spin, better than any home-grown American kook. I mean, when it comes to kookery, the Israeli's are top notch. It's about the only thing they actually do well, if you don't count stealing American technology and then selling it off to our Asian adversaries.
It's a normal hasbara tactic of the Israelis. They always seek to obfuscate the matter by introducing and focusing on peripheral issues, and then useful idiots like Marla grab on and run with the meme. In this case: it doesn't matter that a ship in international waters carrying aid to a country under illegal occupation and imprisonment is violently boarded and taken over by armed commandos from said occupying nation. What matters is that first they stormed the boat with paintball guns and only then did they open fire and proceed to kill a dozen civilians.
Anyone who falls for this must suffer from ADHD, a "disease" which I previously thought was a medical hoax, but with the irrefutable evidence before me, I must now accept as factual.
I am Chumbawamba.
"It was an attempt to bring critical aid to the imprisoned Gazans."
TIMMAY, Israel lets through thousands of tons of aid a week to Gaza. They just screen them for explosives first.
Once again you ignore the facts that don't suit your own mental picture.
You seem to be confusing Israeli propaganda with "facts".
I am Chumbawamba.
Chumbawamba... you really are chumbawamba.
With no idea of middle east politics only the BS you see on CNN and the BBC.
nikud!
Oh boy, this is rich.
Would it humor you to know that I don't watch television? I don't even visit their websites for news.
My news sources, in case you care:
http://rawstory.com (for the lefty bent)
http://antiwar.com (for the righty bent)
http://angryarab.blogspot.com (for the A-rab bent)
http://zerohedge.com (for Marla's wonderful run-on sentences)
I am Chumbawamba.
What conspiracy theories? I like how you throw out the word Zionist because you think it makes you sounds smarter, even though it has no applicability here. I'm not Israeli, or Jewish. I'm just an atheist white guy in the good ol' US of A who actually looks at facts before making knee jerk emotional responses.
Only a zionist would accept that a blockade around Gaza is legitimate, since its a zionist operation at every level.
Birds of a feather, whether you want to believe so or not.
I am Chumbawamba.
I never said I agree with the blockade. But the fact is, it's there, and I can at least understand their rationality for it: 8000 rocket attacks and continued weapons smuggling into the strip that continue fueling more attacks. Like I said, if Hamas stopped trying to illegally smuggle weapons and released Gilad Shalit (or at least provided his family with data on his condition), the blockade would be lifted. I'm not really pro-Israel and I'm damn sure not pro-Zionist. But apparently because I dont cling to the opposite extreme end of the spectrum you cant see that.
I'm sorry, but you're ignorant. You are trying to analyze a picture when you only have a few pieces of it in front of you.
There is years of history and tens of thousands of words behind the issues you bring up, and it'll take too long to get you up to speed. You'll just have to do the research yourself.
Your opinion doesn't matter to me, because it's incomplete. Come back and let's talk when you're informed.
I am Chumbawamba.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.
"...The same transfer point was the scene of a terrorist attack four years ago this month in which two Israeli soldiers were killed and Gilad Shalit was kidnapped. Blair did not mention the fate of Shalit, whose father Noam has asked that Israel hinge any easing of the blockade with the release of his son.
Blair said Israel soon will open the other two major crossings and significantly widen the list of item to be allowed into Gaza. He said, “We change from the so-called permitted list of items where things only come in if they on that list, to the prohibited list where goods come in unless they are on that list. This is a significant change.”
United Nations officials, after more than two years of accusations that Gaza Arabs are facing a humanitarian crisis, recently have admitted that the description is inaccurate...."
Suck it.
It was a paintball gun, probably with powderized CS or Capsaicin capsules (hurt like hell). Like you say though, it doesn't matter. Israeli strategy has always been, at best, heavy handed.
Issue is that they attacked a Turkish flagged ship in international waters, that's a fact! and there's no getting around it. There were US flagged ships there as well, but I do not know if they had fast-roped spec. ops going onto the deck on those ships. It would be interesting to find out though. That would have been alot of choppers.
SgtShaftoe
It was not a paint ball gun. At a distance the weapons I posted have the same profile as in the photo.
Are you really trying to claim that IDF forces boarded that ship with two separate automatic sized weapons? Why not just rubber bullets in single automatic weapons?
Not just a Turkish ship but a NATO member. Article 5 and 6.1. are clear on what actions are to be taken.
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm
Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .
Article 6 (1)
For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
* on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France (2), on the territory of or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
* on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.
How would we react if a neighbor was lobbing rockets towards our schoolyards?
We would want our military enforcing blockades with deadly force if required.
By the way, Israel supplies humanitarian aide to Gaza, daily. Medicine dried good, food etc. Check the facts.
Yeah, check the facts: at a subsistence level, if that.
Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/16/israel
It isn't collective punishment when Israel does it. Instead, it's cute.
I am Chumbawamba.
Marla WILL STEAL YOUR LAUNDRY! Count on it.
"Perhaps Marla can explain the dead somehow?"
Someone attacks me with metal club or bat, Mr. Sig comes up and goes bang-bang-bang, if at all possible. I write "if" judiciously because we are talking about getting beaten at close quarters with a metal pipe, which isn't conducive to a clean draw nevermind consciousness. To wit, as actual firearms go, the Israeli commandoes had only sidearms on them, holstered, and initially at least, rules of engagement not to even unholster them. They were meant to have to contend only with "peace activists" mind you, and it was dark. The very unexpected counterassault by the "peace activists" wielding long knives and deadly blunt objects and kicks and punches resulted in several pistols being taken from the commandos, then used by the "peace activists". As to the deaths, assault with a deadly weapon on a well trained military assault team member will often enough earn you death or damn near mortal injuries, generally, and rightly so.
See? This is the true genius of the Israelis. Get an otherwise intelligent person to babble incoherent nonsense in an effort to change the narrative to one that favors the Israelis.
See, it doesn't matter that they boarded the ship illegally, what matters is that the Israeli commandos were beaten at close quarters with a metal pipe. At close quarters! With a metal pipe! FFS!!
Those people on the ship are animals! How dare they try to repel what is effectively an act of piracy at sea! They had no right to resist the Chosen People of God as they descended (no doubt from the heavens) onto that heathen transport vessel carrying those beasts! They should have given up their human rights and dignity and simply accepted an offense against their persons like good goyim.
But no, these so-called "peace activists" were armed with <UNHOLY GASP> knives! And clubs! And random implements that are found aboard a cargo ship. Egads! What ruthless hyenas these so-called "peace activists" are. Why if they were real peace activists they would have bent over and lubed themselves right up! The nerve of those heathens calling themselves "peace activists". Oh Yahweh, what has this world come to?
You people are so simple.
I am Chumbawamba.
Let me tell you something there fruity... if I were standing next to you and someone pulled a paint gun and pointed it at you... that I thought was a real gun... I would shoot them in the face, twice.
If we were at war? or being Pirates on an aid ship... same thing, but quicker!
I don't care what any American says, they are an American. If someone raises a hand to an American anyfuckingwhere... Yes! Roman's! fuck anyone who doesn't like it too...
They have. They identified it as a paintball gun.
LOL, now you've developed a sort of NY east side persona: "gonna bust some caps in his ass da foo!"
You are fucking amusing , Ill give you that.
Thanks, but it doesn't change the fact that you're tedious and dim.
I am Chumbawamba.
fantasize much? I bet you have some weird ones :-)
when you going to do you Corleone impression? Love to see it.
Coldcall
Aw shit! I read you spreading the "paintball gun" meme on other sites. You get paid well for being a propaganda agent?
Next time change your log on name. You really didn't expect anyone to recognize you and your posts at other places?
About the only other sites i post is Credit Writedowns, and The mOney Game. So unless its one of those sites its not likely me.
Also always use Coldcall as a handle so shouldnt be difficult for you to stalk me :-)
Coldcall
I don't think so.
i know so. perhaps some links to this person you think is me? I'd enjoy reading it.
...which you are not.
Why do you put "I am Chumbawamba." at the end of every post.
You remind of that retarded kid in South Park who shouts his own name all the time.
"TIMMY!!!!"
Its TIMMAY you fucking saxon. Bloody hell mates? Cheerio you fuck
"Its TIMMAY you fucking saxon. Bloody hell mates? Cheerio you fuck"
Is that an attempt to try and belittle me with British sounding phrases. Appreciated we do tend to use words such as ‘Bloody Hell’ ‘Mate’ ‘Cheerio’ although we tend not to add ‘you fuck’ on the end, it’s just not cricket. Perhaps after a time-out for a bit of racist stereotype Brit bashing you could get back to laying into the dirty Joooos?
Since you asked I'll answer.
It began as a goof, but people seemed to respond to it, so I ran with it. It's what affords me a fan base, since what I actually say in my postings is vapid and irrelevant. People eagerly blow through my messages just so they can get to the bottom and read my sign-off.
It's also a way to assert myself: by ending (almost all) my posts that way I am saying, "This is what I believe and these are my opinions and I'm putting my (online pseudo-)name behind them".
It has also become useful as a rhetorical flourish when I'm feeling frisky. I can adorn it or modify it to provide meta-punctuation to my comments.
Now that I've explained it, I expect all the cool kids to come up with their own sign-off.
I am Chumbawamba.
+1 to your explanation on all counts.
I am not Chumbawamba, but I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
I'm going to whack him with a metal bar...
Might just fix his teeth.
That's beautiful! I'll laugh. Poor Racheal. That mean bulldozer was just over the top!!
Local cop? Is that what Israel represents to you? The local cop? Seems to me that British "local cop", (what is it you call them, bobbies?) go unarmed. Drop one of them uninvited into your living room, see how much you like that. Get an argument, or better yet, a life.
“Local cop? Is that what Israel represents to you? The local cop? Seems to me that British "local cop", (what is it you call them, bobbies?) go unarmed. Drop one of them uninvited into your living room, see how much you like that. Get an argument, or better yet, a life.”
I developed a detailed argument in the previous post of Marla’s. The anti-Joooooo brigade fell silent and didn’t respond because they had no answer to the points I raised.
Your correct that most British police/cop/bobbies/peelers/flith don’t carry guns. Although the ones in my area of London do. Indeed there is an embassy a short walk from here that has two ‘bobbies’ with automatic weapons outside it. Go further up the road to the US embassy and your find about 30 armed with automatic weapons. (the Canadian embassy next door has none) .
I am under no illusions that if I ever attacked any of these guys with a metal rod his colleague(s) would shoot me. So I don’t, I wouldn’t claim this is particularly intelligent, it’s just the absence of extreme stupidity.
The terrorist on that boat were looking to provoke a live fire incident. They wanted martyrs. The IDF boarded five other ships without any incident. Only on the sixth where the terrorists were waiting did violence ensue. Or did you think it a remarkable coincidence that the only ship of the flotilla with terrorist onboard also happened to be the one with the al jazzera film crew and numerous weapons to hand?
"The terrorist on that boat were looking to provoke a live fire incident."
One thing that you can take away from the IDF video is that there where no arms on that ship... and the IDF knew that beyond any doubt. The reality is that a side arm can bring down a helicoptor when it's hovering 40 feet away... there is no way that any commander would risk a multi-million $$ helicoptor or send men rappelling down a rope if they thought there were armed terrorist on that ship... with that said, your charge of "terrorists" is based on your own bigotry.
What do Israelis call an Arab farmer tending to his crop, an Arab herder tending to his animals, an Arab mother walking her Arab children, or a group of Arab kids playing?
Answer: terrorists.
I am Chumbawamba.
????= ???????? = ??????= ????? = ?????Chumbawamba,
Once again you really display that you are clueless on middle east politics
But you probably don't know what that means.
nikud!
I must be honest and admit that I have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
I am Chumbawamba.
paintball toteing special forces = embassy guards/embassy grounds
ergo: resistance to the emabassy guard is an attack on an embassy and not the canadian one.
Therefore: overwhelming lethal force is required killing as many as possible untill resistance is stopped.
And this kind of logic gets to be so tiring. There is always some assumption of innocence.
superior mental ability to do what? craft a better delusion.
No. Why don't you and your mates go attack anyone with paintball guns. lets see how lucky you are.
The operative word is attack not the weapons being used. There is attack and defence. The zionists attacked claiming biblical rights and the food convoy defended itself.
I know we should be sympathetic to the underarmed stern gang groupies that boarded those ships in international waters. Their humanitarian intent was obvious by their use of toy guns loaded with pepper spray and tear gas pellets.
"The zionists attacked claiming biblical rights and the food convoy defended itself. "
Ya those christ-killers!!!!
You like reading the bible Doggybreath?
the name's dogbreath
no i prefer doggybreath, or howabout doggiebrecht...got more of a zing to it!
Is that all you got? Just vacuous shit-spewing?
In all the messages I've read of yours, not one put forth a reasoned argument. You are completely full of dog shit, i.e. not even fit for fertilizer.
I am Chumbawamba.
Chumpikins, i'm not here to argue with you, just to take the piss out of you. I dont attempt to reason with buffoons.
You can take all the piss you want. Here, open your mouth: I'll make it easy for you, and you can save me the trouble of walking to the toilet.
I am Chumbawamba.
ya sounds delightful, but I'll take a pass thanks :-)
The fact that Marla allows you the priveledge of posting speaks volumes. Tells us who the grown-up is.
Oh really? Maybe you can ask her to turn my voice back on in the chatroom. Tsk tsk.
But I don't think she would give me the boot. The page views I bring to ZH are far too important to the bottom line.
I am Chumbawamba.
You are a legend in your own mind.
ya we could not live without you, really...
Syrians, Bitches!
You wouldn't know freedom if it knocked you up side the head. She likely allows for you as a tool to illustrate her superiority. And I find it insulting for you to imply that Money motivates Marla. Odds are better that she's doing what she loves. From what I gather she already made the money and you don't do what she does for the money.
You might be okay Chum, but I doubt that you are responsible for all that many page views. ZH would go on without you (or me).
I'm starting to suspect that Chumba might be Marla's alter ego. Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde, but way more different.
I like Marla better. The Med free version you can work with...........
Oh please. Don't insult me. You can tell we're not the same person because my writing is far better.
I am Chumbawamba.
Nice. There are psyc ops and then there are Psycho ops and then again their is ZH.
Yeah,
You are Chumbawamba.
We heard it the first time. Do you just cut and paste?
Makes me recall my Grandaughters latest (19 months) refrain: You are annoying me!!
It's all in fun dude. More power to ya.
Actually, I type it fresh every time.
I am Chumbawamba.
The people on board were unarmed.
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0601/al-jazeera-video-appears-show-activists...
Zionism must be destroyed.
anything on al jazeera is obviously the unvarnished truth from Allah's own lips!
Zionism has always been mendacity plus racist mass murder in the benefit of theft for a small transnational elite. It is a siren's song for the jewish petite-bourgeosie craving for realising their dreams of Tikkum Olam, or world reform under jewish leadership. I say it is a siren's song, because as it has happened throught the 20th Century the normal jews you meet at your street-corner's pawn-shop are just maneuvering assets for the rich fucks that form the Zionist overclass. The normal jews will be thrown under the bus by the Zionist masters before you can say "Madoff". Israel exacerbated all problems it was supposed to solve for the jews; from the stigma of dual-loyalty, to the cul-de-sac of a totally constructed identity and imagined past.
Germany and Israel are the only countries which support the immigration of Jews no matter their country of origin. It is the biggest irony of all that a large number of the most qualified Eastern European jews decide to move to Germany, as opposed to Israel, much to the chagrin of the Zionist Elite in Germany, who would much rather see them manning the guns of the Global Guetto. Zionist hypocrisy is deadly, and mostly to jews.
Israel exacerbated all problems it was supposed to solve for the jews; from the stigma of dual-loyalty, to the cul-de-sac of a totally constructed identity and imagined past.
Of course Kool Aid drinkers of the zionist-flavored variety will completely ignore that entirely factual statement and respond with something akin to, "Whatever Jew-hater!"
They will certain ignore the historical proof that the zionists actually colluded with the Nazis to give them fodder for the colonization of Palestine.
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/zionist_collaboration_...
I am Chumbawamba.
Why don't you link to the Protocols while you're at it?
Sheeesh.
I'm sorry, can you point to the factual inaccuracies in the content at the link I posted? Your coy suppositions are not adequate.
I am Chumbawamba.
too effin right Chumba - exactly what I was thinking. Lets get Singer involved with some of her lucid, impartial analysis.
I am an American and i am also a citizen of Israel. And one member of my wife's family is an IDF soldier. I know first hand the capabilities of those soldiers. I know that they are as good as our Navy SEALs. Those soldiers did not fire on their own. They were given the order to fire or sent on a mission with specific instructions.
This right wing nut jobs that form this government in Israel don't give a damn about anyone. A couple of months after this government took over, its radical right wing-borderline-neonazi foreign minister managed to screw up Israel's relations with the only Muslim ally and democracy that Israel has in the region--i.e., Turkey. At the time, i said that this government is dangerous for Israel and for the United States. Obama wanted Nathenyahu to fire Avigdor Lieberman because he was and still is a major obstacle in the peace process. Nathenyahu refused because without Lieberman, the coalition government collapses. Now we see more of this belligerent behavior over and over and over. When is it going to stop? What do they want? What are they seeking? Do they want the American public opinion turn against them and ask a very simple question: Is it in the national security interest of the United States to always support Israel? What do we have to gain from this relationship? Because if Israel continues like this, these questions will be asked, not among foreign policy specialists, but in the public arena and in electoral campaigns.
The folks in the Israeli government are not rational politicians. They are right wing zealots. They are on a mission from god and they don't give a damn about anything, including the state of Israel. It is time for the people of Israel to wake up. This behavior has to stop.
http://www.dailykos.com
thank you.
Lieberman is an obstacle to peace. All the peace initiatives have been sabotaged from within. There is no genuine willingness on the part of the isreali gov't to make peace because the objective is the land grab.
Isreal kept demanding that Arafat arrest and jail the extremists amongst his people before there could be peace. This is an impossible demand from a practical standpoint. It means creating a police terror state against your own people as a precondition to negotiating peace with those who are not sincerely interested in accomplishing peace. war is very lucerative.
Of course. Let the Palestinians do the dirty work of managing their own niggers so the superior Jews don't have to sully their hands.
And guess what? The Israelis got exactly what they wanted, thanks to American chicanery and a limp-wristed Arab puppet. The Palestinians now live in a police state, certainly in the West Bank.
The Zionist Master Plan is almost complete.
I am Chumbawamba.
Great post! You are absolutely 100% correct. I would only add that the U.S. has unwaiveringly supported the uber right winger movement in Israel, to really make it what it is today.
The understatement of the (new young) century...
at last - someone with a brain...+1000
"Those soldiers did not fire on their own. They were given the order to fire or sent on a mission with specific instructions."
Precisely. They went down there with sidearms only, holstered, and no permission to even draw, nevermind fire. They obtained permission to fire after things had degraded to an extremely violent brawl. Getting attacked from all sides with metal clubs and long knives while others on your team are severely beaten and/or thrown off 30 ft high stuctures onto steel decks will get you asking for permission to draw and open fire. Which they quite naturally and rightly did.
If this had been about providing aid, all they had to do is provide such aid by the same channels as everyone else. Humanitarian aid passes into Gaza with little trouble. The Israelis are simply interdicting weaponry and weaponizable supplies and assholes from getting into Gaza...because Israel is regularly attacked from Gaza.
As soon as you can replace the shit you're spewing with actual facts and references then perhaps you might gain a modicum of credibility.
Your shilling is painfull obvious. Please stop.
I am Chumbawamba.
Hey, Chumba, you forgot 9/11
Murderers
http://www.truthout.org/marjorie-cohn-israel-murders-human-rights-worker...
Eyewitness Report
"The ship turned into a lake of blood."
http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/the-ship-turned-into-a-lake-of-blood-isr...
Universal Condemnation
In a rare public denunciation of Israel, the United Nations Security Council on Monday condemned the Israeli raid on the Gaza aid flotilla and deplored the loss of innocent life that attended it. The world body insisted that Israel immediately release the 480 humanitarians it had taken captive, and demanded that it also let their ships go. The UNSC also instructed Israel to lift its blockade of the Gaza Strip, calling the siege “not sustainable.” Although the statement was weaker than the text urged by Turkey and the Arab world, it was brutal compared to the anodyne language usually insisted upon by Washington when it comes to Israel.
This development is head-spinning in its implications. The United States almost never allows UNSC resolutions condemning Israel to go forward (though this text was admittedly a presidential statement rather than a full resolution). But here it is clear that President Barack Obama instructed his ambassador to the UN to join in the condemnation of the Israeli “acts.” Since Turkey is currently a non-permanent member of the UNSC and led the charge on the condemnation of Israel, it is possible that the US felt it had to trade horses with Ankara if it has any chance of still getting a UNSC resolution tightening sanctions on Iran (a step that Turkey opposes, as does Brazil, though neither has a veto). It is also possible that Israel’s rash attack has sabotaged the Obama administration’s push for increased UN sanctions on Iran, hardening opposition to an Israel-driven policy toward Tehran.
http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/historic-unsc-condemnation-of-israel-and...
"But here it is clear that President Barack Obama instructed his ambassador to the UN to join in the condemnation of the Israeli “acts.” "
DUH! This is the first anti-American president of the United States who openly ran on the platform that America is no good. He announced he would "fundamentally change the United States of America". He's ordered the State Department to play pussy with the Middle East dictatorships, hoping they in tern would "unclench their fists." Fat chance. He couldn't bring himself to mouth the word "freedom" even once in regard to the massive protests against the mullahcracy in Iran. His Cairo speech to Islamic world was a double embarassment: Embarassing to America and embarrassing to Barack. The Islamic world saw grovelling weakness. They respond aggressively to that. In the words of St. Rumsfeld, "weakness is a provocation." Such weakness under Clinton earned us 9-11. Bin Laden explained that in his own words. Based on the weak and/or "run away!" reactions to various terrorist acts, he really thought a big enough blow would send the U.S. whimpering and whining back home. Barack is inspiring a bunch of other crazies to the same conclusions, with even more conviction.
No one could have said any better what needed to be said.
Well done, chumbawamba.
An American In Israel
21-year old Emily Henochowicz was hit in the face with a tear gas projectile fired directly at her by an Israeli soldier during the demonstration at Qalandiya checkpoint today. Israeli occupation forces fired volleys of tear gas at unarmed Palestinian and international protesters, causing mass panic amongst the demonstrators and those queuing at the largest checkpoint separating the West Bank and Israel.
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0601/tear-gas-projectile-costs-gaza-proteste...
"Gaza flotilla massacre"???
Gonna have a hard time with "Marla" no?
This Tyler is 'anti-zionist'.
More accurately, I think he's anti-pro-anti-semitic.
HAH! I junked myself!
and you should.
I've heard that hairspray will get that out. Or maybe soda water.
Maybe Marla and Tyler are adults and as such are able to respect that differences of opinion will exist.
Maybe, but as "Marla" said yesterday, I don't know and neither do you, "svendthrift".
Know what? I don't follow, sorry.
A personal favorite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb0QLxcvowk
However, in this case, I was looking for: "This will get out of hand and we'll be lucky to survive it."
Here we go again with Israel managing to create the impression that it is the victim.
Please don't say that or else Marla will be compelled to write another unparsable run-on sentence.
I am Chumbawamba.
Did Marla hurt your feelings? Youi did have five other threads to spew your venom. Now six.
No, it was actually the other way around.
But this gives you an opportunity to go fawn and win brownie points with her.
Hey, isn't there a mosque in your town that you need to be desecrating?
I am Chumbawamba.
Which one of us has a history of advocating genocide?
Hey, isn't there a creditor in your town you haven't fleeced, deadbeat?
Anyone who supports Israel also, by extension, supports genocide.
I'd rather be a deadbeat than dead. Good luck being the bankers' butt boy.
I am Chumbawamba.
TD and Marla. Time to give Chumbawamba the boot from the site. Or explain why allow his type of posts.
ACTUNG YOU WILL ALL FORM A STRAIGHT LINE SNELL
Explain, what??? Explain how he is trying to explain to dumb fucks like you what's really going on.
Wake up, you fucking retard, it's GENOCIDE. You can sugar coat it all you want, it's still fucking GENOCIDE.
Genocide? Ya you are as thick as you look in your photo...
+1
The "I am Chumbawamba" identity crisis reminder needs to be changed, based on his other comments on other threads, to "I am an anti-semitic, anti-American, Syrian Jerkoff".
Who can argue with the truth, eh Chumba?
Don't do that.
I have long been sympathetic to Israel and my Jewish countrymen. My sympathy is loosing strength due in large part to the use and misuse of pejoratives to end debate. I am not alone either. There has been a very dramatic change in how my very-mainstream peers/friends/family view Israel and her American cheerleaders.
Mossad Chief Meir Dagan as saying on Tuesday that Israel is progressively becoming a burden on the United States. "Israel is gradually turning from an asset to the United States to a burden," said Dagan,
...well no f-ing shit! How many years did it take for that cosmic revelation to dawn on him.?
Don't shoot the messenger (with paintballs or otherwise).
I am Chumbawamba.
Internet Pussy would have been a more appropriate forum monicker for you.
That thing was brutal.
Don't blame your poor parsing skills on Marla--
Hey chum, look behind you: there's a Joooo!
His cousin.
HA!
your mother.
I don't hate joooos, I just hate morons.
You apparently are one of them.
Seriously dude, look behind you...there's a Joooo--no, two!--two Joooos standing right behind you.
Boooo!
I'm no PLO fanatic, but Israel really screwed the pooch on this one - wasteful loss of life and a PR disaster.
The only thing I'm wondering is this: could this have been orchestrated by the Israelis and the Turks? They have been pretty close for years, and now almost overnight their relations are in the toilet. Seriously, just a few months ago they were conducting joint military exercises with Greece, simulating attacks on Iranian nuke sites. This incident sounds to me like a very convenient way to help the Turks get more involved in these matters (Palestinians, Iran, etc.) without it looking like Turkish aggression and expansionism. It also helps the Turks do this without creating internal Turkish strife between secularists/military and the quasi-Islamist government, because they both want a piece of this action.
I've been saying for a while now that the Israelis realize the US military aid gravy train is coming to an end soon. They have to prepare for this, because without that aid, they will be exterminated. The way to avoid this: help the Turks replace Iran as the banner-holders of the Islamic world. The Turks want this, the US would LOVE this, and the Israelis know the Turks replacing and marginalizing the Iranians would be a massive victory. With the massive Turkish military acting to neutralize aggression by shitholes like Syria, the Israelis could survive without US military aid.
Crazy ideas, but seriously, how else does this make any sense?
Earth shattering news, the Israelis overreact to palestinian violence. At least this time it involved a helicopter...
Yes, they should shoot at those firing rockets with paintball guns. Oh wait, you consider that barbaric too...
the rockets from gaza are about as dangerous as paintball guns. now the ones from lebanon ... not so much. the shadows of doom are starting to fall across the zionist entity. remember armageddon is supposed to occur when christ meets the antichrist on the steps of the temple in damascus. close enough.
"the rockets from gaza are about as dangerous as paintball guns"
How about, "if those in gaza didn't fire non-lethal rockets at Israel, they'd still be alive?"
Why would anyone fire non-lethal rockets into Israel?
So I guess that because they are "NON-LETHAL" rockets, Israel should just let it slide.
Am I grasping your position correctly?
Yep- because Israel NEVER fires on unarmed civilians and people under the age of 12. Nevere. Nope. Never ever ever ever ever. Never.
........sure
Exactly. Those Palenstinians are like choir boys and the big bad meanies (aka Israelis) just go out of their way to kill innocent children. I guess someone buys the propaganda.
Put this in your pipe and smoke it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQNbZyoJXBo
The difference being that Israelis have sovereignty, while Palestinians have neither a country nor a future...
If you can't see the difference in motivation/justification, then you are hopelessly stupid.
Oh, I see. You're one of those people who voted for Obama. Say no more.
Ron Paul, actually.
Thank you for replying/posting... you confirm your ignorance with every keystroke... quite an achievement !!!
Anti-semitism is blinding. I totally understand.
Dude, you got a big assfull of ownage. Just take it humbly. You might actually garner some respect.
I am Chumbawamba.
What Palestinians... Golda Meir told us they do not exist.
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." -- Golda Meir ...
One of the saddest images that I have ever seen is of a beautiful, young Palestinian girl, whose mother has just been murdered by the “IDF.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_JmXQt0
Stop the tape at 56-57 seconds, and look at the face of this young girl, strangely reminiscent of Vermeer’s “Girl with a Pearl Earring.” Hold in your mind’s eye the image of this child, whose mother has just been murdered, and weight it against the endless lies that is now the State of Israel.
Not everything about Israel is a lie, but everything official is a lie to the core.
In this video that I provide a link to, one of the young soldiers from the “IDF” shows signs of remorse, but I have to say, I cannot help but notice how physically ugly he is, and how ugly the other soldiers are as well.
I tell myself that not everything about Israel is evil. The existence of the video is itself a sign that there are pockets of humanity and integrity among the Israeli people. But just as the evil of official Israel seems always to triumph, so also in me, in my limbs and in every cell of my body, hatred coils up and gathers strength and collects force. I am at a place now where I cannot come in contact with anything having to do with Israel or with Jews in general without feeling rage --- or without wanting to vomit. If the storm in me builds in others, and if that storm were to break, I would not want to be a Jew. “Not one stone will be left upon a stone.”
That's an interesting idea, certainly plausible.
Turkey has been sniping at Israel for a couple years now, certainly since Gaza 2009. What used to be a somewhat strong military alliance is now at the breaking point.
Israel is in its twilight.
Sow ==> Reap.
I am Chumbawamba.
Maybe Israel should offer to send "aid" convoys to Kurds in Turkey, on the condition that the "aid" cannot be inspected?
Or is turnabout not fair play, when those doing the turning about are Israeli?
There are a lot more oppressed Kurds, population-wise, than there are "palestinians." (Scare quotes added to point out that said retards are stateless, mainly for lack of ability to, you know, form a functioning state.)