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Time-Lapse Video Of Food Stamp Participation Rates During The "New Normal"

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With everyone chanting the praises of the "better than abysmal" economy, we decided to post a time lapse video (since cartoons are all that stand an even remote chance of attracting some attention) prepared by John Lohman,
of just how the New Normal has been progressing, both since the starts
of the great depression in December 2007, and more importantly, since
the beginning of the "end" of the recession. The result may surprise you. As John points out: food stamps - the only thing keeping 43 million Americans from going postal." Hopefully the end of extended unemployment benefits coming December 1 won't be that first one additional straw on the camel's back that leads to a full blown fracture.

 

 

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Sat, 11/20/2010 - 21:49 | 743649 Brutlstrudl
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 Bullion, bitchez

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:58 | 743925 udecker
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Beef 'n chicken bullion it seems, bitchez.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:33 | 744274 Imminent Crucible
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Beef bouillon.  There is a crucial difference.  Bullion will not dissolve properly in your EBT-sourced vegetable soup.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 01:46 | 743986 A_MacLaren
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Beef or Chicken?

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 01:53 | 743989 Hook Line and S...
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Chow Chow or alley cat comes soon after the beef or chicken choice.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 02:30 | 744031 Orly
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Neither.  Too salty.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 10:03 | 744202 JonNadler
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HA HA

yeah buy chicken bullion, because repeat after me: YOU CAN'T EAT GOLD (or SILVER)

do you agree Orly?

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 18:31 | 745010 chopper read
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when large, centralized, and complex government and corporate systems break down, the true extent of dependency reveals itself.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 21:51 | 743652 Bagbalm
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No indication what each shade of color means - very bad charting.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:52 | 743727 hedgeless_horseman
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Whot is you ignorant?  Good charts.  Red is gooder for SPY.  Technical anal-isis bitchezzz!

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:16 | 743779 fuu
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I agree with you. Sort of worthless without some scale.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:07 | 743851 Slash
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are you guys having a hard time figuring out the color scheme? It's pretty easy...........the more white, the more stamps people are on.......as things change over time and get pinker and pinker, that means things are getting better......

 

sarcasm off.

 

 

 

might be time to make the captcha's a bit harder............or have them work.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 01:36 | 743976 Fish Gone Bad
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+2

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 04:08 | 744067 i-dog
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+2 + ?? = +4

Thank goodness the recession is over.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:35 | 743891 dark pools of soros
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the more red.. the more BOOONES FARM

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 13:27 | 744499 Bananamerican
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suck ass video....

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 14:01 | 744593 MeTarzanUjane
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Do you think Marla is on the food scooters in order to pay for her addition to the trance?

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 14:12 | 744621 LFMayor
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Piker... Cisco Red is what real bums drink

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 15:06 | 744723 Freewheelin Franklin
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Night Train Express, bitchez

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 04:39 | 744075 ebworthen
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Red = bad, kind of like bleeding.

Sing it Frank!

Why not go on food stamps, really? 

I'm not, but see ads at the pizza place on Friday night for the Extra Large Pepperoni and a 2 liter of Cola using the Food Stamp Debit card (Crapital One - Government Version).

And then I pay with my well taxed median wage devalued yet EARNED dollars, while thinking of all the TBTF banking and corporate bailouts, and I start to feel like a damn fool.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 12:13 | 744329 grunion
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I presume you are enjoying the new liberal utopia <sarcasm off>

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 21:52 | 743654 tmosley
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Boone's Farm, bitchez.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:00 | 743670 snowball777
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Never again, Strawberry Hill, never again.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:31 | 743707 Howard_Beale
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Or MadDog 20/20. Oh, my stomach hurts. Remember when Blue Nun was considered a good wine? LMAO!

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 01:54 | 743993 Hook Line and S...
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Night train is made by Gallo. Ummmm

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:29 | 744267 FEDbuster
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"What's the word?" "Thunderbird!!"  Coming soon to a suburban cocktail party near you.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 13:44 | 744549 BrosMacManus
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What's with the rotgut? everyone knows the good, reasonably priced vino comes in a box with a spigot. ah, yeah....

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:03 | 743754 Cursive
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HB!  You and deadhead in the same day!  Good to read your comments again.  Hope you  are good health.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 06:45 | 744121 laughing_swordfish
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Anyone remember Ripple? Or Night Train?

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 13:51 | 744566 Kilgore Trout
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The fortified wines are excellent with White Castle.

Mon, 11/22/2010 - 07:46 | 745893 Pondmaster
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Bali Hai and Ripple , waaaaay before Boones Farm or Annie Green Springs .

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 04:40 | 744076 ebworthen
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Strawberry Fields Forever.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 12:15 | 744337 grunion
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And it is all fine wine, complements of Dow Chemical, Freeport, TX.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 21:53 | 743656 Blah Blah Blah
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Where is the color legend?  What shade means what in terms of percentage?  Did I miss something?

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 04:10 | 744068 i-dog
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"Did I miss something?"

Yep. Critical Thinking 101. Blah blah blah.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 21:53 | 743657 bugs_
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Well I really liked the vid.  Booyah!  Love it.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:01 | 743672 hardmedicine
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it seems to me that the statistics here reflect the 2 million views of "quantitative easing explained" vs the 200 million views of "Justin Bieber" on youtube.   The people perish for lack of knowledge. 

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:08 | 743680 Thunder Dome
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Idiots deserve their destiny.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:05 | 743846 Big Corked Boots
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The idiots will drag us all down.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 01:50 | 743987 Village Idiot
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more idiots - fewer illusions.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 12:17 | 744342 grunion
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The idiots are your relations and you are gonna cry!

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 14:09 | 744613 Blankman
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Sad part is Grunion is correct.  My young son was informing my father of how the Rothschild interests control the banking empire worldwide.  He told him how the Rothschild family is one of the richest families in the world and my pops responded with "no you are wrong that is Buffet."  

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 04:47 | 744078 ebworthen
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I like it, very obvious that things aren't improving, and the younger generations need visuals, reading and comprehending text is a troublesome proposition for many of them. 

Mantra of the mind control media of mediocrity and oppression:

 

Ape the young

Delude the adults.

Obfuscate the obvious.

Clarify the uncomprehendable.

Make reality polar and monochrome.

Make the masses choose between 0 or 1.

 

 

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 21:53 | 745273 chopper read
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dumbo-craps vs. repugnant-cons, christians vs. muslims, old vs. young, black vs. white, gay vs. straight, 'rich' vs. poor, bull vs. bears, Jets vs. Giants.  

divide.  conquer.  rinse.  repeat.  

but NEVER small vs. big.  NEVER EVER competing asset-backed currencies vs. monopoly debt-based paper currency.  

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:34 | 744271 Bob
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The learning curve for economics and today's global financial system is comparable in steepness to Mt. Everest. 

It doesn't help that economics is not really a science, that finance has become a game as complicated as three dimensional chess played blindfolded and the entire financial news media a vast system of propaganda for various PTB. 

It's popular to ridicule the uninitiated  "sheeple" for their ignorance, but that itself strikes me as ignorance at least equal to that we attribute to them. 

This shit ain't as simple as playing a game of monopoly.  Nor is it as attractive. 

Cartoons are exactly what is needed to make the most fundamental points for the average guy and gal.  And I see nothing wrong with that. 

The failure to make them as necessary is ours, not the "sheeple's."

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 13:52 | 744567 cosmictrainwreck
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Right on, Mr. Bob; maybe time to even consider the remote possibilty of befriending some of those "sheeple".

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 15:10 | 744736 ebworthen
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Fair enough, and agree with simplifying the tangled web of the financial black widows.

My point was that to really understand complexities of life you must read and reflect.

I see many of the younger generation not being able to digest complexities or large chunks of information, and needing pictures, audio, and wanting to be told how they should feel and think versus teasing it out of complex realities.

Perhaps it has always been this way and I am just getting old; but I remember writing five page essays in tenth grade.  If I ask Junior College students to write three paragraphs and know the difference between "their" and "there" or "your" and "you're" it's considered cruel and unusual punishment.

Mon, 11/22/2010 - 07:51 | 745900 Pondmaster
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The political cartoons in the local fish warps for the last 150 years have moved more people to action than a million words . The power of images . The brain is set up to catch and store them

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:03 | 743674 Aristarchan
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I trade my Foodstamps for Sex. Of course, the end result is pretty sad....but business is business.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:33 | 743709 Howard_Beale
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Tell us more.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:55 | 743738 Aristarchan
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Howie....you really do now want to know, it is not a pretty thing. I usually do it outside of a Kroger store in the bad part of town.....they usually smell like chemicals and sweat. They remind me of bond traders.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:02 | 743749 Thunderlips
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LOL

Is the chemical taste much like chewed aspirin?

Some follow their hearts - bond traders follow their nose.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:52 | 743831 Aristarchan
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More like methylethylketone...and the other stuff you need to manufacture meth.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 01:42 | 743981 Fish Gone Bad
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I have been told that drinking MEK is better than drinking gasoline, because gasoline is flammable.  I really had to laugh.  WTF kind of reasoning is that?  MEK burns exceedingly well.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 12:20 | 744349 grunion
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WHAT is up with that???

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:05 | 743759 Cursive
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@Aristarchan

Lulz.  Which state?  Cause you sound like a local here in central Louisiana where The Kroger rulz.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:53 | 743833 Aristarchan
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Tennessee...wher SOME Krogers rule.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:29 | 743881 Cursive
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THX.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:53 | 743919 Aristarchan
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Of course, I don't live in that shithole state, only commute there now and again for reasons I do not want to get into. Where I live...it is bad Kroger everywhere.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 13:13 | 744468 MsCreant
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Howard, you are a fucking scream. Provocateur.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:25 | 743676 snowball777
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In certain remote areas of Alaska subsistence hunting and fishing items may be purchased with food stamp benefits. Eligible households are given a specially marked identification card.

Even though some subsistence hunting and fishing items may be expensive, they cannot be purchased on credit and paid for later with food stamp benefits. Nor can they be paid for before the item is delivered.

  • Items that can be purchased with food stamps include hunting and fishing equipment such as nets, hooks, fishing line, rods, harpoons, knives, and other necessary equipment.

 

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:37 | 743717 Selah
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How about pitch forks?

 

 

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:34 | 743807 snowball777
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As long as you live in Greater Palinia...and promise to use them for hunting.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:02 | 743841 the grateful un...
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or scud missiles with a range that would reach washington

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:33 | 744275 FEDbuster
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Cheap AK 47 and 1,000 rounds = $600. = month of food stamps for a family of five.  New economy math.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 16:23 | 744860 snowball777
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If you need 1k rounds to feed yourself for a month, might I suggest spending more time at the range?

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:08 | 743679 RobertPalmer
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I'd comment on the splices but... you know, first rule...

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:00 | 743744 cosmictrainwreck
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love your avatar....really "catches your eye" HA!

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:11 | 743684 lynnybee
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L.O.L. ............ or is it ?   this is NO L.O.L ......... this is no laughing matter.   

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 14:09 | 744610 MeTarzanUjane
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I think Obama has a program that helps someone get on the stamps, section 8, and teaches you how to run some Ho'es down on the track.

4 more years!

Mon, 11/22/2010 - 00:40 | 745552 FEDbuster
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Saw Bobby Jindal (gov. of LA) on one of the news shows this morning, he said one of the main things Obama was worried about after the oil spill was how to get all the people in LA signed up for food stamps. 

On a side note, my buddies girlfriend lost her job and went down to sign up for what ever benefits she could get for her and the kids.  First thing the gal at the welfare office asked was "are you registered to vote?".  If not, they have the forms right there in the office for you to fill out.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:22 | 743691 tickhound
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And the kids they dance and shake their bones...

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:22 | 743693 snowball777
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Conservatives must really hate that free food...aside from OR and NV, what red state in that food stamp map for 2010 wasn't deep red in the election as well.

Hypocrites much?

 

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:31 | 743701 tickhound
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Oh I get it... You actually think there's a difference.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:29 | 743702 Citizen of an I...
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Conservatives must hate food stamps?  Is that what you mean?

What is this hypocrisy you speak of?  Voting out liberals because they assfuck the economy as bad as this is somehow hypocrisy?

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:59 | 743742 snowball777
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Clamoring for budget cuts while using the programs they fund.

And it was conservatives and liberals (if you can call Clinton that) who ass-fucked the economy.

Or do you believe that Phil Gramm, Alan Greenspan, Ben Bernanke, Newt Gringrich, and George Bush are liberals?

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:06 | 743760 tickhound
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Yeah, I do... Public welfare or Corporate Welfare... is there a difference?  Deficit Spend?  And whether liberal or conservative... Seems just about everybody's for war... Pre-emptive at that.

No, I see no difference between Summers, Geithner, Obama, Ber-nank, Greenspan, Bush, etc.

You're splittin' hairs at best.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:08 | 743766 snowball777
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Actually, I think we're in violent agreement, but only you don't know it.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:14 | 743777 tickhound
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You know what... I see now how I came in through the back door.  I'm pickin' up what you're puttin' down.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:47 | 743829 snowball777
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Much like Bennie and the Inkjets, I'm just 'misunderstood'. ;)

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:28 | 743798 AssFire
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Man I hate the way some people politicize shit continually. Don't they see that both parties are giving away our money and that is the whole of the problem?

Snowball, a liberal who claims to have a six figure salary (snowball's chance in hell), yet he champions every unemployment and aid package while saying things are just terrible everywhere. Yeah right- get a job dude, move if you need to.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:46 | 743825 snowball777
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Believe. Don't. No skin off my nose...

Some work of which I'm particularly proud:

WarCraft III

World of Warcraft

StarCraft II

SOCOM 3

Resistance: Fall of Man

Killzone 2

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:20 | 743867 AssFire
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Looking at these credentials, I choose to believe you are an unemployed kid with a lot of excuses why you can't find work.

Of course you just listed the real reasons you won't find work.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:43 | 743900 snowball777
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Fits your disconnect with reality quite well...and got a belly laugh from my wife (you're off by a couple decades).

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:54 | 743920 UGrev
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Fuck Blizzard.. have a nice day. 

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 01:15 | 743946 fuu
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Blizzard sucks.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:05 | 743848 benb
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… I see no difference between Summers, Geithner, Obama, Ber-nank, Greenspan, Bush, etc.”

And of course that’s because they are merely different flavors of the same phony one party system. All are put in position and owned. All leadership receive their instructions from the shadow government i.e. the NGO’s. They are all puppets.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:12 | 743857 philgramm
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I am a liberal through and through.  That's why I helped repeal Glass-Stiegall.  The American people need not thank me as I have already taken a position as Vice Chairman of UBS's Investment banking division after retiring from senate in 2002.  All of you douchebags on ZH can bank on silver....or gold.....or oil......or guns.   I'm gonna go with what I've known to work best.......FRAUD!!!!!!!!!

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 12:27 | 744369 grunion
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Th self-centered and completely self absorbed populace is the culprit. They have no incentive to change...We are doomed to a final outcome where only the meanest, best armed super selfish will remain.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:33 | 743708 zyby
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That chart at 1:02 implies a much greater increase than actual.  If the horizontal axis crossed the vertical axis at zero, the truer picture would be told.  National participation "only" increased from 26 million to 42 million, or 60%.  Not the orders of magnitude increase implied by the chart.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:54 | 743735 Paul Bogdanich
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"National participation "only" increased from 26 million to 42 million, or 60%."

 

Yeah, only 16 millions of people.

 

 

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:00 | 743743 snowball777
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In two fucking years; heckuva job, Dubya!

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:27 | 743799 tmosley
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No one said anything partisan before you.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:58 | 743838 snowball777
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You going to defend Bush's record on the economy then?

I have plenty of vitriol to spill on both sides of the aisle, but only he signed TARP.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:12 | 743854 benb
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And the Fauxbama elect was right there working the dems as well at the same time to get it passed. They’re on the same team.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:14 | 743861 snowball777
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I don't disagree.

Makes me laugh every time I hear the "Obama is a Socialist/Communist" claptrap...crypto-fascist maybe, but commie?!

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:45 | 743906 benb
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“…Makes me laugh every time I hear…”

Got that…They might as well all go around wearing Halloween costumes or something. It’s gotten to be such a bad joke. I heard Obama was going to give Bush the Elder “The Medal of Freedom.”… Am I in some kind of Orwellian dream???

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:54 | 743921 udecker
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Exactly t's point - if you don't think W was crypto-fascist (maybe) just like big O, then your partisan comment makes sense.  Otherwise, why bother with useless some R/D distinction while they're all circling the drain?

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 16:24 | 744863 snowball777
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udeck,

The main reason is that campaigning is a revenue positive exercise...and the illusion of choice keeps the masses occupied (pun intended).

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 02:00 | 744001 tmosley
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Again, no-one said anything partisan before you.

Why do you keep assuming that if they aren't with you they are against you?  This is the false duality that allows this partisan claptrap to develop.  I think Bush should hang for his crimes.  I think Obama should hang for his crimes.  An indictment of one is NOT an endorsement of the other.

tl;dr you and Red Neck Republicant should get a room, so you can shove words in each others mouths and leave us alone.

 

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 03:50 | 744061 syvanen
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How can you possibly object to that anyone brings up politics at this site, especially in this thread.  Food stamps is not just a measure of economic activity but is also the institution is the result of an intense political strugge.  I presume, there are many here that oppose them because they interfere with the free functioning of markets.  That is a very political position. In addition much of the space here is dedicated to denouncing Krugman for his support of stimuli.  That is also extremely political.

 

It makes no sense for you to critcize Snowbird for doing no more than maybe half of the commenters do -- discuss finance and the economy in political terms.

 

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 12:31 | 744377 grunion
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What a complete waste of space.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:34 | 743710 High Plains Drifter
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Dixie beer  

 

6 pack              99 cents

 

 

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 02:47 | 744038 blunderdog
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Dayam, yo. 

Needa start sellin dem shiz in Brooklyn, knowhamsayin?

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 07:04 | 744133 tip e. canoe
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no shit we get offered with some 'microbrew' piss in cans and get charged $9.99 a six.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:44 | 743720 Blano
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Hey ZH,

Don't know if anyone else is having this problem, but I can't see/read the comments on the Experts Network post.  All others are ok though.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:50 | 743729 WeR138
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+1

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:16 | 743780 watchingdogma
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I can see the comments on that post with Chrome - but not with IE.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 01:27 | 743959 merehuman
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Blano, same here

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:55 | 743723 DisparityFlux
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The FNS SNAP EBT cards (see http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/faqs.htm) eliminate one of the problems of the original paper food stamp program.  Back in the 70's, change for food stamp purchases had to be in food stamps.  However the customers knew if they arrived early enough, the cashiers were generally forced to provide change in currency. The food stamp recipients would buy the cheapest item with the largest denominated food stamp and then use the change to buy items not covered by food stamps, such as alcohol, cigarettes and pet food.

The Man is back, badder than ever.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:55 | 743736 Oracle of Kypseli
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Liberal benefits, while have compassionate justification, once they get big they can be vote-buying ploys for scam politicians.

Additionally, they can be gamed. I know of two friends who are in business and they employ, its other's wife. They never show up at work, but collect salaries and every six months they get laid off and collect unemploynment for the other six months. Now they probably have collected 99 weeks. You figure out how much money leaks that way.     

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:02 | 743750 snowball777
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You forgot trading food stamps for crack (at less than 'face value', of course, so the dealers can sell them at some discount as well to recoup/launder cold, hard cash).

Entrepreneurialism!

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:32 | 743804 AssFire
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Yes, we know how you do it.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:06 | 743761 DisparityFlux
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Sounds like good ol' American ingenuity.  Figure out the system and then use it to your benefit.  I sure hope the great Wall Street financial wizards don't figure the financial regulatory system out -- whoops, to late.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:27 | 743879 benb
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Sounds like a pretty low risk scam. It has got to be illegal. Well the system is gamed in so many ways even on the lowest levels. I remember reading years ago about a small market chain annually processing millions in food stamps for forty cents on the dollar. Of course there was no sale of food involved.  Not to forget there are people out there who are needy, who are suffering.

 

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 12:35 | 744385 grunion
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I was in Laredo recently and saw a woman load up on fine cuts of meat, paid with a LoneStar card (food stamp). I happened to notice she got in a new suburban with Mexican tags and went across the border to Mexico.

I would like to know how the hell that works!!!

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 22:57 | 743740 Elvis Lives
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Are food stamps redeemable in gold and silver? Now i'm hungry bitchez...

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:14 | 743776 Alexandre Stavisky
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Might just could be.  That ain't bad neither.

Takes me "barbarous" and casino chips to the Sahara cage.

As bad as tropicana?  Or could it go so far as, "how greed is my valley?"

Hard not to love a beautiful cinematic experience.  Especially the deep golds and lotsa reds. Darwin in an alchemist's coat! Won't become a Wallace.

Maybe even the rare americana exotica crossed with blue morpheus can escape the net and wake from slumber.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460791/

Seraphim shan't slip.

Tak, to the stem of....

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 07:09 | 744135 tip e. canoe
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an intensely beautiful and woefully underappreciated film that is

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 02:51 | 744043 tewkatz
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You used to could do that in Cali...welfare ebt's withdrawing cash at casino ATM's...

 

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/06/welfare-recipients-withdre...

 

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:05 | 743758 snowball777
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I'd be interested to know if the price inflation in items that can be bought with SNAP cards is growing faster than in those items that it cannot (booze, vitamins, TP, etc).

 

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:06 | 743763 Bill Lumbergh
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Does this mean I should keep buying every dip?

LOL

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:10 | 743768 snowball777
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I thought we'd settled that with the civil war, but if you promise to keep them clean and out of sight, we'll let it slide.

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:11 | 743771 Cursive
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The "social safety net" has done nothing but to prop up TPTB and to prolong the inevitable.  Let's get this reset over with, shall we?

Sat, 11/20/2010 - 23:55 | 743773 AssFire
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Google food stamp fraud under with news selected. Fraud is occurring in all sorts of ways even workers in the food stamp program are setting up fake families.

That is the whole problem with giving anything to anyone by the government..rampant fraud whether Auto Industries, Banks, Defense Contractors, Medicaid, etc.

If the people kept their own money at least they could pick worthy people and organizations to help..kinda the way things were before 1964 I guess..

Yes about 1964 things went to shit and since then two adults in each household began working to take care of those "households" with zero working and just breeding.

That is why white people are going to become extinct, look at the demographic trends. White people are working and not having the 2.19 kid average needed just to maintain our numbers.

 

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:03 | 743843 snowball777
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Because corporations never commit fraud on their own, right?

Ah...there's the rub..."white people"; skinhead confirmed.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:49 | 743912 AssFire
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Why should they pay so much in taxes- why do you think they all left this country?

Tocqueville wouldn't think you junkers are Americans
Sun, 11/21/2010 - 02:51 | 744044 blunderdog
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I didn't junk you 'cause I can't be bothered, but that post above sure looks like 20th century "Archie Bunker" racism. 

You earned those jeers, sir, fair and square.  Good work.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 03:09 | 744051 AssFire
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Again dispute the truths? No, just name call..FYI Eric Friggen Holder said we are a nation of cowards for not talking about race- I mention the 800 lb elephant and all shit breaks loose...

Again, just pointing out that a lot of couples have both parents working, they can't enjoy their children's youngest years and pay for someone to watch their kids. All because the government steals their money and wastes the shit out of it.

I guarantee you junkers have never owned a business and dealt with all the shit.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 09:33 | 744197 blunderdog
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I didn't dispute anything, and as I said, I didn't junk you.

But check it out: there are more white niggers in this country than black ones.

What's the real point?

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:40 | 744255 AssFire
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My point is that since food stamps came to pass, the new norm is both parents working. It was sold as liberation, but what really happened is the children got screwed because the moms were no longer there in the childrens' formative years. Most children today don't have enough involvement by a parent in their education.

We love to blame the education system, but lets be honest- things turned really shitty about 1964 when omg I gonna say it...personal responsibility became scorned and the pill became praised. Look at the divorce rates; think any of that leads to welfare? It just suddenly became too easy to screw anyone, take half the money and have another kid and marriage, rinse and repeat. We degineranted to the point where people don't bother getting married and people completely avoid their responsibility to their own children and the Government became the old man brandishing the shotgun making the bum pay tiny amounts of child support through wage garnishment (another job pushed to the responsibility of the employer).

White people and American Asians aparrently don't want to raise children in poverty and exercise more contol using the pill so one day they won't exist. Maybe that is a good thing maybe it is not; but to ignore the facts is more cognitive dissonance.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:45 | 744285 MsCreant
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FYI, numerically there are way many more white people on food stamps than blacks. There is a higher percentage of the total black population on food stamps than the total percentage of the white population. Blacks make up 13% of the US population. Over all, the black population's participation is dwarfed by whites. Hope this helps.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 12:04 | 744309 AssFire
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Jesus, I am not blaming anyone. I am only stating what the real affects of giving away other people's money has had on the demographics. Hell yes people must eat, but look at where it started and where it is.

 

Mon, 11/22/2010 - 10:05 | 746055 RKDS
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The percentage of blacks on welfare and in jail really is a serious problem, no matter how much PC dancing you all want do around it.  If we do as AssFire is suggesting and extrapolate that percentage out proportionate to your precious literal number, only the blind cannot see the enormous danger headed our way.  They have to get their act together because we (working Americans of all backgrounds) cannot support that many dependants even in the best of times and the ZH crowd isn't suffering the delusion that we're out of this yet.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 13:57 | 744578 blunderdog
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If that was really your point, you chose a strange way to make it.

I don't see food-stamps or the pill as the "cause" of our problems.  The fundamental "problem" is that in a post-agrarian/industrial society, a large percentage of the population is simply not going to adapt effectively to knowledge-intensive/profit-driven enterprise. 

ANYONE can do useful work on a farm.  NOT anyone can do useful work in a widget factory or a web-design firm or a bank.

Now that we've eliminated agriculture as an employment option, we have to come to terms with what all the people who used to push plows have to do with themselves.  We haven't come very far on that.  Reducing fertility of any segment of the population is nothing but a good thing (the pill).  Preventing the hopeless from starving helps keep a lid on crime and social unrest (food stamps), but it isn't necessarily a good thing until we start addressing the question of how we want to structure a post-agrarian society.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:43 | 744280 fuu
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There is only one race. There are many cultures. We should be talking about culturalism. Racism is diversionary.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 12:07 | 744317 AssFire
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I am gonna throw up. What happened to this site? Impossible to discuss anything objectively.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 12:09 | 744325 fuu
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People like you showed up.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 12:43 | 744405 grunion
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Oooh, what a comeback. Ya want a medal or the chest to pin it on.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:06 | 743849 Aristarchan
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Well...I guess if you are advocating more fucking...then I am all for that...of course, I am married to a very dark-skinned East Indian, so we don't turn out "pure" white kids...does that bother you?

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:40 | 743896 AssFire
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Hey, I am just pointing out what is happening. I don't care what color they are just so long as I am not working 50% extra for them to survive. The demographics for Europe are flat out scary.

Fed and bred without natural predators except their counterparts living in the self-cleaning ovens... that are the inner cities.

It is indignant living as bad as living on a reservation. How can anyone think this is good?

It does not matter they have the numbers now, critical mass was reached in only 40 years.. they contribute nothing but have the right vote for whomever promises them the most freebies. That is all they have ever known so how can you blame them?

 

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 00:57 | 743924 Aristarchan
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Well...my wife will be glad to know that. BTW, who is forcing you to work 50% extra? I grew out of that years ago. I work 75% less now.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 01:14 | 743944 AssFire
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I have about 30 indirect dependants called employees in addition to my family. I guess I'm just nostalgic about the times when I wasn't the enemy of this government and those on it's dole. Yes, the government takes half already and they want 55% of whatever may have been accumulated when I die. I am the enemy.

Years ago if someone used improper English and they would be corrected and laughed at..now when some corrects anything improper, they are criticized, and labelled as an extremist.

 

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 02:00 | 744002 Aristarchan
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Obviously...you run a small business. So do I. I feel for you, Brother.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 09:47 | 744207 hardcleareye
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"when some corrects anything improper, they are criticized, and labelled as an extremist."

AF, I have been reading your post for a while now and you may not realize it but if I remember correctly, you are guilty of doing this.

Maybe one way to look at it is small business are in "competition" with the larger corporations.  Is it possible that the large corporations are removing the small businesses via the tax structure, ie a small business can't compete because of the higher taxes due?  There is plenty of raw data on "real taxes paid" (pick your source), bottom line, the large corporation pay significantly less taxes than small businesses.

Regarding the "Death Tax", if your estate has to pay 55%, that means your estate is valued over $3.5 million anything under that is exempt.  My understanding is if you do a little estate planning and you can avoid this tax.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 11:42 | 744269 AssFire
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ok, go through the history.. post some examples of me labelling anyone as a racist..

The playing field is unbalanced, because as a small business owner I can't move my subchapter S corporation headquarters overseas to avoid the tax burden.

Your understanding of estate planning is wrong. Unless I kill myself by December 31st this year, my children will get less than half of everything I wanted to pass on to them.

If they don't have enough money to pay the estate taxes, the company gets sold or worse liquidated and those 30 employees and their families are screwed.

 

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 12:27 | 744367 snowball777
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"You are right: it is old socialist/Jewish mentality to steal from somebody else and share some of your loots with stupid & greedy masses."

"... a bitter child who blames everyone for everything while using our credit card to buy things for morally defunct "victims" without knowledge of a reward system, only a devotion to their unalienable entitlements."

"The sheriff of rock ridge would love to take over the entire industry..."

"Stop feeding the animals and they will leave."

"Mexicans work here, they get it...Now the 3rd Ward and the Katrina Plauge [sic] can only be dealt with after all handouts are ended."


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