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Is Titlos PLC (Special Purpose Vehicle) The Downgrade Catalyst Trigger Which Will Destroy Greece?

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By Tyler Durden and Marla Singer

The media world is aflutter with recent revelations that Goldman may have facilitated Greece in creating an SPV that "rebalanced" budget payments via an interest rate swap arrangement, which the NYT describes as "a currency trade rather than a loan, [which] helped Athens meet Europe’s deficit rules while continuing to spend beyond its means." For those curious to get a much more detailed perspective on the mechanics of not just this, but a comparable Goldman-facilitated transaction, we suggest the following article in Risk Magazine, which focuses on a similar prior deal completed over six years ago. Yet we are fairly confident that all this barrage of information is merely a Houdini distraction act: the prospectus of the February 2009 securitization deal clearly delineates the mechanics of the deal; it was full public knowledge. Of course, a Europe gripped by sudden chaos due to their aggressive and quick "bail out" response with no regard for public backlash, is now taking full advantage of this recent "discovery" to make it seem that Greece and Goldman were hiding even more information: Bloomberg reports that "Greece was ordered by European Union regulators to disclose details of
currency swaps it may have used to deal with the debts that threaten to
swamp its economy." Germany's CDU has gone one step further and claims that the "Goldman deal broke the spirit of Euro rules." Alas, this is nothing but more scapegoating while Europe tries to find its bearings and, if possible, back out of the bail out while finding more pretexts to throw Greece out of the euro zone entirely. If it takes a Goldman smear campaign, so be it.

However, where the rub truly lies, and where things for Greece may get very hairy fairly quick, is in the interplay between the rating agencies and the rating of the Goldman underwritten swap agreement securitization SPV known better as Titlos PLC. As one recalls, it was precisely the rating agencies that were the proximal catalyst that started the collateral call cascade that ultimately resulted in AIG's failure and subsequent bailout (ignoring for a moment the pent up toxicity on AIG's books: both AIG then, and Greece now, are in deplorable shape: the question is what will bring it all to the surface). So here are some recent facts: On December 23, 2009, Moody's downgraded Titlos, following the prior day's downgrade of Greece itself from A1 to A2 with a negative outlook. Fact: last week Moody's said it could further downgrade Greece to Baa1. Fact: the Titlos PLC rating mirrors that of Greece itself. Fact: according to Moody's "Framework for De-Linking Hedge Counterparty Risks from Global Structured Finance Cashflow Transactions Moody's Methodology" a counterparty can enter into a hedge transaction with an SPV and continue to participate in that transaction without collateralizing its obligations so long as it maintains a long-term senior unsecured rating of at least A2. When (not if) Titlos is downgraded again, and its rating drops below the A2 collateralization threshold, look for AIG's margin call driven liquidity crisis escalation from the fall of 2008 to spread to Greece. And that's not all. The Titlos SPV itself may be null and void should the rating of the National Bank of Greece, as the Hedge Provider, drop below a "relevant rating" as defined in the hedge agreement. Should Greece then be forced, at Titlos' option, to unwind the swap agreement, and be forced to cash out to the tune of €5.4 billion (net of the 107.54 issuance price), look for all hell to break loose.

Some background

On February 26, 2009, with Goldman Sachs as arranger, Titlos PLC, a Special Purpose Vehicle, issued €5.1 billion of notes at 107.54 (rated A1 by Moody's, no S&P rating) to finance its purchase of swap rights from the National Bank of Greece (NBG) as part of a securitization transaction, whereby Titlos paid the NBG over €5 billion in "novation consideration", while at the same time effectuating a fixed/floating rate payment arrangement with the Hellenic Republic. It is this last bit that has the panties of a collective Europe in a bunch, as the actual payments are not indicative of the "true" budgetary situation in Greece. Keep in mind that the actual interest rate swap was closed, very much publicly, on December 31, 2008 (from the prospectus: On 31 December 2008, the Hellenic Republic and NBG entered into an interest rate swap transaction governed by an International Swaps and Derivatives Association, Inc. ("ISDA") (Multicurrency – Cross Border) 1992 Master Agreement dated as of 25 July 2005.) There is nothing hidden here. The danger is elsewhere.

A graphic representation of the securitization arrangement from the prospectus is provided below.

It is oddly curious that the Titlos transaction prospectus, which until recently could be hyperlinked from the Greek National Bank's website at the following location, has been mysteriously pulled. Note that not only the prospectuses but also the investor reports for the other (much more minor) GNB securitization deals Eterika PLC and Revolver 2008-1 PLC are fully accessible and available on the GNB site (and certainly worth the read). Zero Hedge has retained a copy of the Goldman Sachs arranged Titlos deal prospectus, which is presented in full below (we can provide pdf's upon request):

 

Those of you on a tight time schedule are in luck, for here is the summary version of the transaction courtesy of the only rating agency to have rated the deal (A1 at issuance): Moody's.

In December 2008, National Bank of Greece S.A. (“NBG”) (Aa3, Prime-1) entered into an interest rate swap transaction with the Hellenic Republic (the “Hellenic Swap”). On the closing date, NBG novated the Hellenic Swap to the  Issuer (subject to certain amendments to its terms) pursuant to a Novation Agreement. The initial purchase price paid by the issuer under the Novation Agreement was equal to the issuance proceeds of the Notes. At the same time, the Issuer entered into a Hedge Agreement with NBG comprising two swap transactions (Swap 1 and Swap 2), to exchange its cashflows from the Hellenic Swap for cashflows matching the interest and principal payments under the Notes plus a margin to cover the Issuer’s on-going expenses.

And some additional summary deal details from Moody's:

Issuer established in the UK

The Issuer is established as a bankruptcy remote vehicle incorporated in the UK.

Novation Agreement

The rights and obligations of NBG under the Hellenic Swap were transferred by NBG to the Issuer by way of novation pursuant to a Novation Agreement between NBG, the Hellenic Republic and the Issuer. The Issuer used the proceeds of the Notes to pay NBG the initial consideration for the novation. The Issuer will also pay deferred consideration to NBG to the extent of excess funds on each interest payment date after all items ranking senior in the relevant priority of payments are paid in full.

Greek legal counsel has opined that the Novation Agreement is valid and enforceable and that, on the basis that NBG was solvent as at the time of the novation, the Issuer’s rights under the Hellenic Swap could not be “claw-backed” following the insolvency of NBG. Further, they have opined that the novation will not be re-characterised as a secured loan, despite the fact that NBG retains a right of re-novation (see below).

Under the Novation Agreement, the Hellenic Republic has waived any right to set-off existing claims owing to it by NBG against its payments to the Issuer under the Hellenic Swap. Further, the events of default and termination events in the Hellenic Swap with respect to the Issuer have been modified in accordance with Moody’s Hedge Framework.

Here is the actual detail of the underlying swap: dear CDU and Angela Merkel -  we are fairly confident that you can afford Moody's as of circa February 2009, to not sound quite so indignant:

Hellenic Swap

The Hellenic Swap between the Issuer and the Hellenic Republic has a fixed notional amount of Euro 5.5bn and is scheduled to terminate on 20 September 2037. TheIssuer pays 4.50% annually and the Hellenic Republic pays 6 Month Euribor + 6.6025% semi annually. The Hellenic Republic (but not the Issuer) is required to gross-up for any tax in relation to its swap payments.In order to make scheduled payments to Noteholders, the Issuer relies on, among other things, the receipt of amounts payable to it under the Hellenic Swap. Payments under the Hellenic Swap are due to be paid on the same date as the corresponding payments under the Notes, giving rise to a potential operational risk.

Hedge Agreement for Swap 1 and Swap 2

The Issuer has entered into a Hedge Agreement comprising two swap transactions with NBG as Hedge Provider.
Swap 1 has a fixed notional amount of Euro 5.5bn and is scheduled to terminate on 20 September 2037. Under Swap 1, the Issuer exchanges a flow of floating rate receipts into a stream of fixed rate payments. By virtue of payments under the Hellenic Swap and Swap 1, the Issuer retains a net fixed amount semi-annually. The Issuer uses such net amount to (i) make fixed payments under Swap 2, (ii) make scheduled principal payments under the Notes and (iii) replenish the expenses reserve fund.

Swap 2 has a notional amount that tracks the amortising principal amount of the Notes and is scheduled to terminate on 20 September 2037. Under Swap 2, the issuer makes fixed payments in exchange for floating amounts that equal the interest due under the Notes.

The Hedge Agreement complies with Moody’s hedge de-linkage criteria for cash flow transactions1. Therefore Moody’s has not modelled the impact of NBG’s credit risk (as Hedge Provider) on the expected loss posed to investors.

The full Moody's New Issue Report can be found here.

Digging Deeper

So much for the smoke and mirrors. Everything that Europe is now complaining about has been public for about one year. Granted, it is extremely disingenuous of the entire European financial cavalry to bring attention to it now that they are looking for a scapegoat in backing out of the Greek rescue.

But that's the headlines for popular consumption. Reading between the lines reveals something quite nastier.

On Christmas Eve eve, with very little fanfare, Moody's quietly downgraded not just Greece From A1 to A2, but Titlos from A1 to A2 as well.

Paris, December 23, 2009 -- Moody's Investors Service has today downgraded to A2 from A1 the rating
of the notes issued by Titlos plc. This rating action follows Moody's
downgrade of the foreign and local currency ratings of the government
of Greece to A2 from A1 on 22 December 2009.
Moody's rating for
the Titlos plc transaction is linked to the rating of the the Greek government
on a one-to-one basis.

 


Issuer: Titlos plc

 

Downgraded to A2 from A1;
previously Placed Under Review for Possible Downgrade on Nov 9,
2009.

This transaction, which closed in February 2009, represents
the securitisation of a swap agreement (the Hellenic Swap) originally
entered into between the National Bank of Greece, S.A.
(NBG) and the Greek government. The issuer relies on payments by
the Greek government under the Hellenic Swap in order to pay amounts falling
due under the notes.

The issuer is also a party to two swaps (the NBG Swaps) entered into with
NBG for the purpose or matching payments under the Hellenic Swap to payments
of interest and amortising principal required under the notes.
On 22 December 2009, NBG's deposit and debt ratings were downgraded
to A1 from Aa3. However, the NBG Swaps fully comply with
Moody's criteria for de-linking hedge counterparty risks from structured
finance transactions and, therefore, the rating action in
respect of NBG has not influenced the rating action on the notes.

The principal methodology used in rating and monitoring the transaction
is "Framework for De-Linking Hedge Counterparty Risks from Global
Structured Finance Cashflow Transactions" May 10, 2007, which
is available on www.moodys.com in the Rating Methodologies
sub-directory under the Research & Ratings tab. Other
methodologies and factors that may have been considered in the process
of rating this issuer can also be found in the Rating Methodologies sub-directory
on Moody's website. Further information on Moody's analysis of
this transaction is available on www.moodys.com.

So we decided to dig into Moody's "sub-directories" to pull this fabled "Framework for De-Linking Hedge Counterparty Risks from Global
Structured Finance Cashflow Transactions" which is the golden grail on how Moody's evaluates all structured finance transaction. The full 46 page report can be found here for those who have gobs of time to sift through the definitions and trigger clauses. Luckily, law firm Orrick (anchor tenant of 666 Fifth Avenue which will soon be making some pretty serious waves in CMBS land when the property defaults, but that is a story for another day) has provided a cliff notes version of the Moody's report. What immediately drew our attention is the definition that Moody's gives for threshold eligibility for counterparty rating "without the need to collateralize the underlying obligations":

The Moody’s Criteria permits a hedge counterparty to enter into a hedge transaction with an SPV and continue to participate in that transaction without collateralizing its obligations so long as it maintains a long-term senior unsecured rating of at least A2 and a short-term rating of P-1 (or, if such hedge counterparty has only a long-term rating, at least A1) (the “Moody’s First Trigger Required Ratings”).

Unfortunately for Greece, one more downgrade of either Greece itself, or, much more relevantly, of Titlos, and here comes the collaterialization brigade, demanding excess collateralization margin sweeps. For a country caught in a liquidity crunch, this is not a welcome development. Images of a defunct AIG promptly come to mind.

Digging even deeper

In addition to the nightmare scenario of having to start posting collateral on Titlos, the even nightmarier scenario is that Titlos itself may well have the right to unwind the transaction if certain trigger thresholds are met. Continuing from Orrick:

Within 30 business days of a downgrade of a Moody’s rating to the Moody’s First Trigger, the hedge counterparty is required to either (i) post the “Moody’s First Trigger Collateral Amount” (described below), (ii) obtain a guaranty from a guarantor rated not lower than the Moody’s First Trigger Required Ratings, or (iii) transfer the hedge transaction at issue to a replacement hedge counterparty rated not lower than the Moody’s First Trigger Required Ratings (or to a replacement hedge counterparty that does not satisfy the Moody’s First Trigger Required Ratings but is rated at least P-2 and A3 (or at least A3 if it has no long-term rating), provided that any such replacement hedge counterparty immediately posts collateral in an amount equal to the Moody’s First Trigger Collateral Amount).

Within 30 business days of a downgrade of a Moody’s rating to the Moody’s Second Trigger, the hedge counterparty is required to post the “Moody’s Second Trigger Collateral Amount” (described below).31 Also, within 30 business days of a downgrade to the Moody’s Second Trigger, the hedge counterparty is required to use commercially reasonable efforts to either (i) obtain a guaranty from a guarantor rated above the Moody’s Second Trigger, or (ii) transfer the hedge transaction at issue to a replacement hedge counterparty rated above the Moody’s Second Trigger. If the hedge counterparty fails to obtain such a guaranty or effect such a transfer within the thirty business day period, the Moody’s Criteria requires that it continue to use commercially reasonable efforts to either obtain an eligible guaranty or identify an eligible replacement hedge counterparty for so long as it remains rated below the Moody’s Second Trigger.

And the piece de resistance:

The Moody’s Criteria requires that the SPV have the right to terminate the hedge transaction under either of the following circumstances: (i) the hedge counterparty is downgraded to the Moody’s First Trigger and fails to take appropriate remedial action within the applicable grace period, or (ii) the hedge counterparty is downgraded to the Moody’s Second Trigger and either (A) the hedge counterparty does not within the applicable grace period post the Moody’s Second Trigger Collateral Amount and/or does not use commercially reasonable efforts to obtain an eligible guaranty or to locate an eligible replacement hedge counterparty, or (B) the applicable grace period has expired, the downgraded hedge counterparty has not obtained an eligible guaranty or transferred the hedge transaction to an eligible institution and at least one eligible institution has submitted a “live bid” to replace the downgraded hedge counterparty. If, in the last of these situations, the SPV cannot terminate the hedge transaction because no live bid from an eligible institution is available, it will become entitled to declare an early termination and replace the downgraded hedge counterparty at such time (if any) as a live bid is provided and the downgraded hedge counterparty will remain obligated until that time to post the Moody’s Second Trigger Collateral Amount.

Our read of this data, and granted we are as far from conflicted Greek legal counsel or Moody's as possible, is that should the barrage of downgrades persist in the adverse scenario where European leaders continue posturing and making it seem that all the bailout talk from last week was merely semantics, that Titlos will have the option to unilaterally unwind the swap following a green light from Moody's. Ironically, it is precisely Moody's which is doing all it can to prevent an additional notching of either Greece and, by implication, Titlos, and certainly of the Greek National Bank, as it is well aware of the margin scramble that would result, culminating with a feedback loop that could kill the actual securitization agreement, and force massive, formerly Greece-beneficial cash payments to be repaid.

And while there could be some "soft" interpretation of the rating threshold of the SPV, where there is complete lack of doubt is the rating threshold of Hedge Provider itself: the National bank of Greece (at least initially).  To wit from the prospectus:

Hedge Provider

NBG will be the initial Hedge Provider under the terms of the Hedge Agreement.

Specific early termination "Put" clauses:

Hedge Transactions under the Hedge Agreement may be subject to early termination by the Issuer in certain circumstances, including but not limited to:

(i) the Hedge Provider being in default by reason of failure by such Hedge Provider to make payments;

(ii) the Hedge Provider being otherwise in breach of the relevant Hedge Agreement or having made certain misrepresentations;

(iii) the rating of a Hedge Provider being downgraded below the relevant rating(s) specified in the relevant Hedge Agreement and the requisite remedial steps not being taken by the Hedge Provider as described in more detail in —Rating Downgrade or Withdrawal of the Hedge Provider" below;

(iv) certain insolvency-related or corporate reorganisation events affecting the Hedge Provider;

(v) any action being taken by a taxing authority or there being a change of relevant law or a merger of the Hedge Provider which results or will result in the Issuer receiving a payment from which an amount is required to be deducted or withheld for or on account of tax; or

(vi) a change in law resulting in the illegality of the obligations to be performed by it under the Hedge Transaction.

And more troubling:

Rating Downgrade or Withdrawal of the Hedge Provider [i.e., Greek National Bank]

In the event that the rating of the Hedge Provider is downgraded below the relevant rating(s) specified in the relevant Hedge Agreement, then the Issuer has the right, subject to certain conditions, to terminate the Hedge Agreement unless the Hedge Provider, within the time period specified in the Hedge Agreement and at its own cost, takes certain remedial steps which may include:

(i) providing collateral for its obligations in accordance with the terms of the Hedge Agreement; or

(ii) obtaining a guarantee of, or a co-obligor for its obligations under the Hedge Transactions from a third party whose ratings are equal to or higher than the ratings specified in the Hedge Agreement, where the terms of the Hedge Agreement so provide; or

(iii) novating all of its rights and obligations under the Hedge Transactions to a third party provided that such third party's ratings are equal to or higher than the ratings specified in the Hedge Agreement; or

(iv) obtaining a confirmation from Moody's that the then current rating applicable to the Notes will not be downgraded, suspended or withdrawn as a result of the downgrading of the Hedge Provider's debt obligations.

Lastly, from the prospectus' Risk Factors section:

Credit Risk on the Hellenic Republic

The ability of the Issuer to make payments in respect of interest, principal and any other amounts due under the Notes depends ultimately upon the due performance by the Hellenic Republic of its obligations under the Hellenic Receivable. Any failure on the part of the Hellenic Republic to pay amounts under the Hellenic Receivable as and when such payments become due could result in a default by the Issuer in payment of interest, principal or other amounts under the Notes.

In the event that the rating of the Hellenic Republic is downgraded by any rating agency, there is no requirement for the Hellenic Republic to post collateral or obtain a guarantee or co-obligor in respect of its obligations in respect of the Hellenic Receivable or to novate its rights and obligations under the Hellenic Receivable to a third party. As a result, any downgrading of the Hellenic Republic may also result in a downgrading of the rating of the Notes notwithstanding that there may not have been any default by the Hellenic Republic under the terms of the Hellenic Receivable.

As well as this:

The Rating Agency may downgrade, suspend or withdraw its rating with respect to the Hedge Provider. The Issuer expects under the terms of the Hedge Agreement that in such circumstances the Hedge Provider will be obliged to use reasonable efforts to novate the Hedge Transactions to a replacement Hedge Provider or post collateral to the Issuer or enter into other suitable arrangements. However, there can be no assurance that the Hedge Provider will be able to find a replacement counterparty to enable it to novate the Hedge Transactions or that the Hedge Provider will be able to post collateral to the Issuer and/or enter into other suitable arrangements in this event or that the ratings of the Notes will not be downgraded, suspended or withdrawn in this event. If any rating assigned to the Notes is downgraded, suspended or  withdrawn, then the market value of the Notes may be reduced.

Indeed, all the inherent risks are there, laid out by Goldman's legal crack team, black on white.

Where does the National Bank of Greece stand in the downgrade cascade? On December 23, Moody's downgraded the NBG from Aaa3 to A1. As pointed out previously, the threshold eligibility criteria is A2. Should Moody's downgrade Greece to the first Trigger Rating of A3 or lower, let alone its threat to cut Greece to a whopping Baa1, and all Special Purpose Vehicle bets are off.

Financial analysts are all too aware of the liquidity bottleneck which Greece faces in April and May when roughly €8 billion in near-term bond maturities are due.

As it stands, absent a European "bail out", in the form of guarantees or German banks directly purchasing Greek bonds, this maturity would be unfundable, precipitating the Greek default. Should Titlos add another forced "put" option of over €5.4 billion, and it is surely game over for Greec, starting the on, and, as this story has shown, much more importantly off, balance sheet contagion.

In conclusion, the real story from this weekend is not that Goldman arranged the Greek swap: this information has been public for almost a year, and making waves out of it merely demonstrates European hypocrisy in doing (or at least saying) one thing last week, and now promptly seeking to undo it (and as to whether or not the Greek National Bank pulled the prospectus on purpose or this was merely a clerical error is not up to us to decide). What is the real story, however, is that far from mere observable, on-balance sheet funding needs, Greek has suddenly found itself at the mercy of a Moody's, whose just one additional notch down, would increase the funding needs by almost 40% in addition to near term maturity requirements. Score yet one more for the off-balance sheet securitization puzzle, so prevalent in our day and age, courtesy of Wall Street's "innovation" masters - Goldman Sachs.

Later today: Just Who is Titlos Anyhow?

 


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Mon, 02/15/2010 - 15:42 | Link to Comment Going Down
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Better Late Than Never

 

EU leaders: only 8 years behind the curve on currency swaps

 

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2010/02/15/149646/eu-leaders-only-8-year...

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:12 | Link to Comment merehuman
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So Moodys works for GS? Haha. Seems that way.Euro down, dollar up, yea we are keeping the show going. Another act to follow. Surely, if all the worlds is a stage we , the people are the shrubbery!

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:22 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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Why does it seem like whenever there's financial deception, there's a GoldmanSachs vampire lurking in the bushes?

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 03:26 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 07/20/2011 - 05:38 | Link to Comment shanelee
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The Titlos SPV itself may be null and void should the rating of the National Bank of Greece, as the Hedge Provider, drop below a "relevant rating" as defined in the hedge agreement.

araç takip sistemleri

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:58 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 19:32 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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so what you're saying is it's goldman's version of a controlled demolition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaBQ3AkRetI

 

 

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 20:43 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 23:01 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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You mean they're suing for NOT defaulting? Hehe. Do you have any links to court filings?

 

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 09:41 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 02/16/2010 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 23:33 | Link to Comment Molon Labe
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Heartwarming story if true.  I guess GS doesn't like losing at its own game.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 01:40 | Link to Comment mberry8870
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It is true. It is kinda like knowing the they guy is selling you a lemon, betting that you can't pay and you figure out a way for the lender to have to bail you out. They are just pissed  because they got beat by a few good old boys from Texas.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 09:45 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 15:46 | Link to Comment crosey
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Extraordinary piece, Tyler and Marla.  Thanks loads.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 15:48 | Link to Comment john_connor
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What a clusterphuck. 

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 15:51 | Link to Comment credittrader
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Awesome piece! Once again it seems the fear priced into credit markets is correctly identifying real fundamental (and in this case short-term liquidity vs long-term solvency) problems.

 

Just as an FYI - with all the chatter about CDS being responsible for all the Greek uncertainty, I thought your readers might like to note that 1) CDS volumes remain minimal relative to govvie bond volumes (even with leverage), 2) Greek bond spreads are WIDER than Greek CDS (all relative to Germany), and 3) today saw bonds once again underperforming CDS.

 

It seems to us that it is real money deleveraging and reducing duration in European sovereigns that is driving this crisis (just look at the concessions and basis in the recent new issuance over there) as opposed to CDS traders pushing spreads wider ceteris paribus...

 

So, is CDS simply a barometer of the risk in sovereign debt or is it the evil incarnate market that everyone think it is? You're only allowed to answer if you know anything about the CDS market (sorry them's the rules)!

 

BTW, is anyone buying Puts on Greek stocks? (you mean-spirited investors you) or buying vol? (how could you?) - remember risk is risk and CDS are not on their own in the circle of trust that is the capital structure of an entity (corporate or sovereign)...[rant over].

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 23:32 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 15:51 | Link to Comment illyia
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Jeez Tyler... you are getting scary good...

Thanks.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 15:54 | Link to Comment illyia
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Ooops! Marla - you are very scary too...

Fantastic job.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 15:55 | Link to Comment bugs_
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Incredible presentation!

So they were just buying time really.  And who
better to sell them time than GS?  Now that
they have used up this time will they finally
face the music or will they try to find another
entity to sell them some more time?

Digging ever deeper "What were the Greek Powers
That Be doing with the time they had purchased
using this Enronesque strategerie?"

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 15:59 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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"What is the real story, however, is that far from mere observable, on-balance sheet funding needs, Greek has suddenly found itself at the mercy of a Moody's, whose just one additional notch down, would increase the funding needs by almost 40% in addition to near term maturity requirements. Score yet one more for the off-balance sheet securitization puzzle, so prevalent in our day and age, courtesy of Wall Street's "innovation" masters - Goldman Sachs."

Now, flash forward some years/months to this scenario:

"What is the real story, however, is that far from mere observable, on-balance sheet funding needs, America has suddenly found itself at the mercy of a Moody's, whose just one additional notch down, would increase the funding needs by almost 40% in addition to near term maturity requirements. Score yet one more for the off-balance sheet securitization puzzle, so prevalent in our day and age, courtesy of Princeton's "innovation" master - B.S. Bernanke."

In my understanding, Titlos (as opposed to Assloss?) is not a hedge.  It is merely "kick-the-can and pray" financing.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:00 | Link to Comment DavosSherman
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Doing God's work. Un-f*cking believable. Try doing Satin's work AH.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:14 | Link to Comment jomama
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maybe they truly believe this mantra?  just like the US military let the haitian people die from lack of relief and support.  perhaps they are trying to chip away the unsustainable growth in human population on this planet by pulling the rug out from under them?  truly a noble cause.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:02 | Link to Comment djb1953
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Who oh who is going to cut the tentacles of this squid who seems to be devouring not just individual or communities but now whole countries.

Sounds like those aliens in Independence day who like locusts devour everything then  move on.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:41 | Link to Comment merehuman
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AhH  its the animal spirits!

Everybody wanted change! Hey its coming!

One meal a day, shelter from the cold, hard nite (sleeping bag will do) and a little human contact is all many of us need every day.

All else is luxury. But because we are greedy we become thieves and others are merely marks. I think we all lose when we reach for more and more and lose ourselves. I find myself laughing, happy and make my gal laugh. This predicament we are in is and will be life changing for all of us.

Its time to reconsider our goals and values because as the world changes, so must we.

If the populace with its spoiled nature of having, comes to NOT have they will rebel before learning to aquiesce.

Translated into high crime rates and riots, which leads to martial law.

The public is being fed the lie of recovery whilst the ship sinks further day by day.

9/11 was covered up very well also.

But now more of us realize the towers were indeed blown up, all up and down the building just like hundreds of other buildings that have been demolished over the years.

I found some evidence that finally convinced me , I cried like something had died. What died was my remaining faith and trust in our government. At this point i want it all to fail because its the only way we can take the crooks out. 

We cant rebuild on dishonesty, most of us are better than this. Or are we?

Sorry i rambled, had to get it off my chest.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:09 | Link to Comment duo
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so far in history 3 steel-framed buildings have collapsed due to "fire", and all 3 happened on 9/11.  Move along.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:47 | Link to Comment merehuman
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in the world there is a record of other high rises that had fires, yet the steel frames remained.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:30 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 21:31 | Link to Comment Quantum Nucleonics
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Yea, but none of those were started by an exploding 767 flying 600 knots nor were they fueled by 20,000 gallons of aviation fuel.

The fuel air explosion from the impact disrupted the foam insulation.  Had the builder used a different kind of insulation the buildings might have stayed up longer.

 

 

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 22:19 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:38 | Link to Comment Marla Singer
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Agree, disagree, take the Truther stuff to another site. Thanks.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:52 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Ombudswoman has spoken!

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:55 | Link to Comment Marla Singer
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Except I'm not the Ombuds(wo)man.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:59 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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I assumed she would be presenting under the Marla avatar, also. Apologies.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 00:47 | Link to Comment Altan311
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Thats a bullshit flakeout considering the amount of crap that was covered up by the blowing out of SEC enforcement office, probably enough funny paper to write 1000000000 billion in SPV prospectus. weak sauce.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 20:33 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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Since it is somewhat of a lightining rod for employees of Janet Napolitano I will comply. Pierre? Lou? Andrei? You hear that? No more hijacking the blog with your unoriginal ad hominems.

Wed, 07/27/2011 - 07:21 | Link to Comment shanelee
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Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:03 | Link to Comment Daedal
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Well, I guess we can all breathe a sigh of relief since Barack increased our debt ceiling.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:04 | Link to Comment MarketTruth
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As always, GREAT WORK Tyler and Marla!!!

So... ummm.... can you both find a way to audit the United States company Federal Reserve? It makes one wonder what is on their balance sheet and on/off the books.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:05 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Goldman Sachs. Helping people break rules and then fucking them over for a profit. The helping hands of our modern financial system.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:06 | Link to Comment Internet Tough Guy
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It's like a greek tragedy. (Someone had to say it).

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:07 | Link to Comment seventree
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The Goldman Fleece?

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:07 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:07 | Link to Comment Bill DeBurgh
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"Titlos PLC"? Really? TIT LOSS?

Anyone remember Chewco Investments LP, Kenobe Inc and Obi-1 Holdings LLC. Chewco?

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:08 | Link to Comment Internet Tough Guy
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Greece is going Titlos up.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:23 | Link to Comment bugs_
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Whats the symbol for the 3X Tit Loss ETF?

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:11 | Link to Comment Jesse
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"Alas, this is nothing but more scapegoating while Europe tries to find its bearings and, if possible, back out of the bail out while finding more pretexts to throw Greece out of the euro zone entirely. If it takes a Goldman smear campaign, so be it."

Goldman smear campaign.  LOL.

That's what they get for just trying to do God's work.

The purpose of the swaps agreement was to hide debt and to subvert the banking rules.  Nothing you said in your apologia negates that.

You seem to feel that because someone might have discovered the deception by reading into this prospectus would be more credible if that had been done BEFORE the fact. 

Standard Wall Street smoke and mirrors really.  We didn't do anything wrong, we just did business as usual.  Its Europe, bunch of crybabies. We're just doing God's work.

It might have been more effective if you had shown exactly where in the prospectus it was obviously that this was a sham transaction designed to perpetrate a fraud.

Very disappointing.

 

 

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:17 | Link to Comment dnarby
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Note the "arranger" on pp 1,2, 54 & 92.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:18 | Link to Comment Tyler Durden
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As I am sure you are well aware, the last thing ZH cares about is providing apologia for Goldman. Yet while the mainstream media is indeed isolating Goldman as the culprit here, we are instead focusing on the consequences of their (and Greece's) actions. We will let others judge Goldman for once. What is much more relevant is what happens next, now that this scheme has been exposed.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:20 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:15 | Link to Comment seventree
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Whole global avalanche should hit bottom about 2012 ... thanks for the heads up, Aztecs

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 08:20 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 02/16/2010 - 12:21 | Link to Comment seventree
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Oops. Is my face red under that bag.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 19:11 | Link to Comment Joe Sixpack
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Most bubbles and scams are in the open. Everyone knew someone making $15,000 year who had or was offered a $700,000 mortgage. Everyone knew that Earthlink was not worth however many $hundreds of millions it priced at for a short time. No one wanted to see it while it was going up.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 19:40 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 02/16/2010 - 01:46 | Link to Comment mberry8870
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You are just plane wrong. GS did not do anything wrong here. This is a very typical transaction. The issue lies with the government of Greece not using the proceeds as transitional funds while it was supposed to be cutting its budget and not disclosing the nature of the transactions on its books. As Durden properly points out all the information was there. I am sure everyone is shocked that a government would take funds and use them to pacify the masses instead of doing what there suppose to do.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:13 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:18 | Link to Comment AnonymousMonetarist
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Off-topic 

 

Prepare to be freaked out ...

 

'This posting does not attempt to prove what the fundamental unit of time is, but rather to offer, in conclusion, a rather startling similarity between theories offered by today's time pundits, namely the venerable John Needham and the incarcerated Martin Armstrong.'

 

http://anonymousmonetarist.blogspot.com/2010/02/time-pundits.html 

 

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:19 | Link to Comment Zippyin Annapolis
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If you turn the chart sideways in looks like Enron: upside it looks like Maiden Lane I, II and III.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:19 | Link to Comment Fritz
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It is poetic that Moody's is the pivot man in this circle jerk.

You can bet that a central bank somewhere will inject enough juice to clear the moody's threshhold and prevent a downgrade.

 

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:24 | Link to Comment bugs_
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And the obligitory "Deep Shah" mention in any Moody's related piece.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:21 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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This was the theme in '08 as well. As long as Moody's doesn't do xyz everything will work out fine. What a joke the world eCONoME has become.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:47 | Link to Comment Leo Kolivakis
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Excellent analysis and makes you wonder whether Goldman was telling their hedge fund clients to short the euro/ Greek sovereign debt knowing full well the intricacies of these swaps and what another downgrade implies.

As for the contagion effect, even if the EU kicks Greece out, their troubles are not going to go away magically. They are just going to buy time, delaying the inevitable. How many other European countries entered into these swap agreements? It's a real derivatives hell hole! It's time to fry this giant squid once and for all!

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:52 | Link to Comment Landrew
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I thought you were supposed to be the ultimate Goldman apologist?

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:40 | Link to Comment jomama
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Cut Leo some slack.  He's an optimist.  I have no idea why, but I assume he's merely hoping for the best.  As much as it will be interesting to watch the world as we know it come crashing down around us, I don't look forward to the day where I am defending my self and my family at gunpoint.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:24 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:50 | Link to Comment merehuman
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I think its enuf Tyler exposes. We are the ones who need to stand up, be counted condemn away at will. Bring the firing squad!

If you really want to help condemn, then donate to zerohedge. Cause it seems they are the only chance we got. Msnbc is free, and you get what you pay for.

BTW Tyler Durden, i aint got much, but you can stay over and eat at my house anytime. W. coast . And Thank You

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:53 | Link to Comment Leo Kolivakis
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Robert,

I worked at two of the largest Canadian pension funds and allocated money to the world's top hedgies. Don't you think for a second that the big swinging dicks (BSDs) at Goldman are any different from other investment banking BSDs. In their myopic and reckless pursuit of the almighty dollar, these guys will eventually end up canabilizing each other. Like in every profession, there are good investment bankers and bad ones, just like there are good pension fund managers, and bad ones. Only problem in finance is there is an unusually high prevalence of the Peter principle, where you see lots of pricks rising to the level of their incompetence. I should know, I had to deal with my fair share of arrogant and unscrupulous jerks, some of whom still hold positions of power (for now).

Cheers,

Leo

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:09 | Link to Comment Daedal
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Only problem in finance is there is an unusually high prevalence of the Peter principle, where you see lots of pricks rising to the level of their incompetence.

+100

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:24 | Link to Comment seventree
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Is it really incompetence? Or are they maybe the best at what they do, which is destruction for profit?

From its viewpoint, the Bubonic Plague was remarkably successful. Hard luck humans, but that's business.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 19:36 | Link to Comment SteveNYC
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Spectacularly said Leo. Concur 100%.

 

+1000

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 22:19 | Link to Comment carbonmutant
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Good one Leo.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:30 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:32 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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I suppose we can all expect another selloff in "risk assets" and everyone flees to the U.S. Dollar and gilt-edged Treasuries next week.

No doubt, Goldman will be profiteering from such a bear raid and will be shorting everything as margined speculators are once again cleaned out.

LOL....

 

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 19:12 | Link to Comment Joe Sixpack
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Now that everyone has experienced the currency yo-yo, maybe gold will benefit.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 20:41 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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This is what your average yuppie and joe six-pack look like when you ask them if they understand how the Federal Reserve system operates. If they nod their head then you ask them: why they support fiat currencies that lose value through inflationary measures designed to spur savers to seek higher rates of interest that only slightly overcome the intentional, erosional policies of the Federal Open Market Committee that encourage zero hedgers to seek safety in precious metals such as high-velocity lead and brass.

That's the verbal secret handshake. Or just ask them if they know any of the Tylers - be sure to state it in the plural form.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 02:33 | Link to Comment Problem Is
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And the Jeopardy Daily Double Answer is:

"These three financial geniuses managed the US economy through the 2009, 2010 phase of the US financial crises."

"From left to right Alex, WHO are Bernanke, Summers and Geithner?"

"Correct for $1000. Well done!"

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:33 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:16 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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Isn't that a tad myopic. 

In this instance it assumes that Greece was innocent, when in reality, the squid merely created the mechanics whereby Greece got to borrow 1b euros without adding to its public debt figure.

It appears that Italy and perhaps the UK have done the same thing. 

Loopholes are created by governments, therefore one can assume that they know how to drive through them.   

I am not a Goldman apologist but they are not the only offender  in this or any other scenario that has played out in the clusterfuck known as the last ten years. 

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:45 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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For sure.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 19:40 | Link to Comment SteveNYC
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Yes, it seems they merely acted as "crack dealer" this time around.

However, how do we know they didn't take out an "insurance policy" on their "junkie/customer" after dealing just a little too much crack this time around?

The possibilities are endless.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 19:48 | Link to Comment seventree
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Drug pushers would not thrive without addicts to feed on. But they are still scum.

[Dammit Steve, you stepped on my metaphor by 2 minutes]

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 22:31 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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I think this is an erroneous analogy.  Dealer to addict is a much less symmetrical relationship than Goldman/Greece. 

I think the correct analogy is drug lord and dealer, in which case both parties are culpable. Each facilitates the other, for financial gain. 

Goldman supplied the means which allowed Greece to borrow 1b euros without adding to its public debt figure. 

In this scenario, one assumes that the whole point of these swaps was for Greece to hide their true indebtedness, how does that not make them at least as culpable (if not more so) than Goldman.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 07:09 | Link to Comment bokapita
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It appears that Italy and perhaps the UK have done the same thing

In the UK's case they cut out the middleman. Just off balance sheeted loads of new schools, bridges, hospitals, railways, prisons etc by getting private firms to build them and then guaranteeing a stream of payments for the next XX years. Costs a great deal more than the government doing it directly as the funding cost is MUCH higher; BUT the borrowing is off balance sheet so "doesn't count" towards the 'official' borrowing figure.

[For the record, in private businesses annual financial statements, this method of hiding borrowing has been outlawed for some time. Of course if the hiding is done much more cleverly, accountants and GAAP still OK it...]

I actually agree that this is 100% the politicians' fault. Pity they will not be the ones to suffer.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:18 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Tentacles seem to have an annoying way of slipping out of handcuffs. You gotta get creative to catch a squid. Seems you need lures or you net them.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 19:40 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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or maybe just give them enough rope... they're really not as smart as they pretend; just sneaky little weasels that put on a good show.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 20:43 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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Haven't you read any Jules Verne? There's only one way to be sure: no prisoners. 

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:00 | Link to Comment merehuman
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Very interesting post. Its a solution that could work

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:06 | Link to Comment Internet Tough Guy
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You stole that from here:

http://fofoa.blogspot.com/

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:16 | Link to Comment A Man without Q...
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The Germans have the slight problem that their gold reserves are held in the US...

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:25 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 02/16/2010 - 10:08 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 02/16/2010 - 02:47 | Link to Comment nuinut
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Which may be why there have been so many requests for repatriation of gold holdings recently.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:23 | Link to Comment THE DORK OF CORK
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A interesting post -  at the recent Russian Conference Faber mentioned that if there was a gold standard TOMORROW then Gold would be 1 million dollars a ounce , very strange as the consensus would be that it would reach 4 to 10 thousand dollars a ounce - was he showboating or trying to tell us something

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAJeZaFdbJA

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 20:16 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 02/16/2010 - 07:44 | Link to Comment THE DORK OF CORK
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Parhaps you are right but it is pretty close - but is more like a all out war or race between countries and non state entities with the BIS being the supranational umpire. It seems like the most dramatic reset button for the global debt system imaginable , the geopolitical consequences would be dramatic and unpredictable as tensions would be intense between factions until the system reached a balance

I would prefer to see  the destruction of large sections of the private debt system while preserving sovereign debt which could keep relations between states on a more stable footing.

I get a horseman of the apocalypse feeling from the idea that all dollar holdings vanishing into a hyperinflationary wormhole.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 02:46 | Link to Comment nuinut
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.

 

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:35 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 20:45 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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And all of his cabinet, too. I'd be thrilled to have an executive branch run by Project Mayhem.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 21:03 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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It may already be, just not Tyler's kind of Mayhem.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 12:24 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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Ordo Ab Chao

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:47 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Mon, 02/15/2010 - 16:54 | Link to Comment jbc77
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Honestly, don't know what I would do without the ZeroHedge website. They are re-defining financial journalism.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:25 | Link to Comment truont
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CNBC could never report on something like this, not even with all their millions in ad bucks and their thousands of staffers, and their endless rotation of guest bobble-head pundits.  It is mind-boggling that some 10 anonymous staffers at ZH can, based on banner ad bucks. 

Gawdam incredible.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:48 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Please do not forget that there is a small donation space for those who wish to support ZH beyond visiting the sponsors.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 22:52 | Link to Comment carbonmutant
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Good Point, Miles.

It don't hurt to slip the boys in the backroom a $20 now and then...

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 05:11 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Or to do the same for the folks out front who always smooth manage their flow to the back office...

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 05:22 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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more t-shirts.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:10 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:09 | Link to Comment Mr. Anonymous
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All Hail the ZEROHEDGE!

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:36 | Link to Comment THE DORK OF CORK
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Tyler must be self propagating at a exponential rate.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 22:53 | Link to Comment carbonmutant
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 There may be some cloning involved...

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 17:09 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:07 | Link to Comment dan22
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So what do we have? It is politically impossible for the strong economies of Europe to pass a bailout, it is politically impossible for Greece policy makers to pass sufficient budget cuts, if budget cuts are implemented then it will just push Greece further into debt deflation, a default by Greece will cause a run on the European banking system, the ECB has no legal authority to purchase Greece’s bonds, if Greece gets bailed out the EU will need to confront similar problems with Spain, Italy, Ireland, and Portugal which have a combined GDP larger than Germany, and if they all get bailed out Germany itself will be bankrupt. Did we say the markets hate uncertainty? Source:
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:21 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 18:39 | Link to Comment Bruce Krasting
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Terrific reporting. This really stinks. How much is involved? $8b. These days that is not such a big hole.

Goldman is in this deep, and they already have a big image problem. Watch that they fix this part of the problem.Ex:

They put up $2b and borrower the other 6. Greece will pay7%+ for this money. The equity (leveraged) returns will be in the low 20%. Think of this as writing Greece CDS at triple the current market.

Six months from now there is going to be something else on the front page other than Greece. There are issues popping up all over. So Greek spreads come in and there is an unwind of shorts and GS just sits on the bid and laughs to the bank......

Watch.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 19:07 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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So no one is ever trying to "help" anyone. All anyone involved is doing is looking for the "money making angle." That is what all these debates are about, not how to keep Greece alive, but how will money be made because, otherwise, why do it?

Boy I keep losing sight of this and guessing wrong as a result, consistently.

Otherwise, Bruce, you have a criminal mind and belong with GS.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 19:47 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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I get the impression that Greece had enough of Goldman's crap. Gary Cohen made a "pitch" to them in November for more of Goldman's "solutions" and they sent him packing.

They simply have too much debt.

The solution is that the bondholders take a haircut. If the bankstas were stupid enough to buy Greek bonds, then they should suck it up and make the best deal they can. NO MORE BAILOUTS FOR BANKS.

 

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 21:27 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Careless sez:

If the bankstas were stupid enough to buy Greek bonds, then they should suck it up and make the best deal they can. NO MORE BAILOUTS FOR BANKS.

 

Me like, me like!

PS. I don't know you, but Olympic Ice skating is pretty cool. It seems to me you would dig it. They did short programs last night.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 23:16 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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thanks Ms. i'll check it out. sounds like it could be inspiring.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 21:02 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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It appears as though the only real pursuit for some is hunting and slaughtering wales, or absent that, beaching them for the vultures.  As someone who spent a great deal of his professional life hunting baby seals I will always appreciate that for some the only real thrill of life is in the kill and except for that there is no such thing as propriety.  I for one desire that you never lose sight of your sense of propriety MsCreant, but please remember without fail how some others will always approach this.  Peace

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 21:22 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Hi Miles,

Shiva, the destroyer has her place. But so does the Brahma (creator) and Vishnu (preserver). To focus on one aspect is to be out of balance.

Lots of posts being made today that feature stuff from "planets aligning" to other cyclical theories. Could be it is just destruction time. On one hand we are all nature. On the other hand, my Darwinian sensibilities are offended at who is getting to write the story of our gene-pool and the story that will be told there if these people "make it" and others do not.

I hope you are well.

I have not worked on the project, except to think on it. I never clear the chunk of time needed for it.  It seems overwhelming and I can't afford to have my head leave what it is doing for very long. But that is how I work, obsessed freight train, neglect all else till it is done.

Peace back at you!

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 22:12 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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There is a difference between traveling between the levels so to speak and getting a good "feel" for their states... I believe.  Take care of what you feel committed to, side thoughts are just that and can, if worthy, survive for others to carry forward.  It's all good with me as I realize that I have responsibilities to others and myself to attend at present.  Hope you got my note and all my best to you and yours as you fight the good fight.  My daily remembrance has included your challenges for some time.  Here is to success in whatever form it takes be it a fourth wave or a second dozen.  Peace. 

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 19:02 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 19:02 | Link to Comment THE DORK OF CORK
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The large "investment" banks and hedge funds have to be taken out to protect the integrity of the sovereign bond market  - this will dramatically decrease the worlds debt load and restore some order to the international financial system.

The question is who will step up to the mark......

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 19:26 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Greece, schmeece.

Buy USDHUF.  Best canned bacon and brass-base lightbulbs out there.

Global warming is dead, except for the morons.

 

Where's Algore?

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 19:42 | Link to Comment Zippyin Annapolis
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Uncle Stupid to the rescue--- watch this play (it worked for Mexico)

http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/international-affairs/esf/finances.shtml

 

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 20:10 | Link to Comment seventree
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Yankee financial innovation will transform the world. Just wait and see.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 21:13 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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Tue, 02/16/2010 - 03:01 | Link to Comment Burnbright
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skanky hoes

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 21:16 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Paris for Prez!

Can it be any worse?

 

Oopps, guess it is.

Tue, 02/16/2010 - 11:25 | Link to Comment Problem Is
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Blow Jobs would be back IN at the White House...

Paris beats Palin McMILF any day...

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 21:44 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 02/15/2010 - 22:07 | Link to Comment mynhair
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As have been in the gas bizz, can luv this.

 

Done it many times as a UNION MEMBER.  In AK.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 22:17 | Link to Comment JimboJammer
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Goldman  Sachs  building  in  New York  City  better  beef  up  security..

They  might  get  a  big  surprize  from  20 +  angry  Greeks  with   law 

rockets   and  C-4

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