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Today's Unprecedented Swiss Bank Intervention Driven By Massive Capital Flight From Germany To Switzerland; Result Was Euro Surge

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Wed, 05/19/2010 - 19:14 | 361825 TheGoodDoctor
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Is interbank lending like what we did in college so we could get beer while our paychecks cleared over the weekend? Essentially writing each other checks and deposting them?

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 19:38 | 361861 SWRichmond
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Is interbank lending like what we did in college so we could get beer while our paychecks cleared over the weekend?

Idk, is interbank lending like going to the plasma clinic?

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 22:13 | 362133 Raymond K Hassel
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lol, added bonus - needing less buck for the same bang. 

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 22:15 | 362137 moneymutt
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check kiting for beers...brilliant

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 23:10 | 362223 TheGoodDoctor
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It seemed an apporpriate comparison.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 01:53 | 362342 wagefreedom
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It seems European central bankers did the same thing in college...

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 19:17 | 361828 Cognitive Dissonance
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Where there's smoke, there's fire. And there's a lot of smoke. Can you say volatility times 10?

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 20:16 | 361912 Thunder44
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What? Nothing strange there.------------Yeah right.

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 19:23 | 361835 Mitchman
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A beautiful article.  The system is fatally flawed and the Germans took the first logical step towards asserting their authority as the only adults in the bunch and as the owners of the only solid balance sheet in the group. Good for them.  And good for them for giving Bernanke the finger.

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 19:40 | 361862 Renfield
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I agree.

WTF are these idiots trying to hold onto? What do they think they can avoid? The global financial system has been falling apart for years. The collapse has been accelerating for the last couple of years, but there is no 'stabilising' it. All that 'stability' - bailouts, shadow banking system, increasingly complex financial instruments, too-big-to-fail - was just making things worse.

Merkel has a spine after all, as it turns out - altho she shouldn't have ever softened on the bailout pap. Should have said No and called Sarkozy's bluff, should have refused to consider it in the first place. The EUR would have taken its lumps earlier. Merkel has more backbone than any of our lapdog administration - she is the first to face reality.

Their fucking 'bailout' was transparently unworkable from the start. Greece, Europe, and the rest of the western world is behaving like a desperate debtor trying to buy any time at any price. I'm not surprised at the blaming and weeping and carrying on by the cockroaches who are trying to kick the can down the road one last time, who are so close now to being made to hold the bag of their own debt. How dare Merkel refuse to pour her citizens' labour out like water so the banksters can party for another year.

I pity the peasants of Europe, though. Stupid or entitled as they may have been, they don't deserve the blaming and the pillaging they are getting from their guilty, complicit leaders.

There is a debtor's lineup happening. Europe, the 'resources' currencies, Japan, and at the end the US.

PS: And I can't tell from the various articles posted, whether the ZH panel is in favour of more bailout, and bigger shadow banking system, or not! Up until this week, I would have thought they'd be applauding - it's weird to read some posts that sound like they're coming straight from the Soc Gen.

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 20:24 | 361923 Fraud-Esq
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as to you last point, I was surprised too.

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 23:19 | 362235 TheGoodDoctor
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I may have missed this, what are you speaking of?

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 02:30 | 362376 Bolweevil
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In my view the criticism from ZH is not necessarily the ban on naked shorts, but the "late to the party" nature of Merkel's poorly timed, back-firing, stab at gaining control of a too far gone rotten corpse of an EU (EMU?).

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 03:15 | 362404 Fraud-Esq
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oh, I think I meant the general opinion of the contributors = against bank speculation, etc... no big deal. just seemed the opinion changed a bit. i guess some days you want to pound sovereigns and some days banks for the many follies of all. Just when it comes down to the bone, as much as I've had it with sovereigns, I'm personally with THEM on most every battle/regulation against banks. Seemed this contribution was with PNB's book, incidental or not.   

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 20:32 | 361937 sushi
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I like your sentiment. Nothing like a little sturm und drang.

"she is the first to face reality."
They are in this mess because nobody faced reality. Loaning funds to persons/nations who lack the means to repay the debt is hardly a prudent course of action.

"Their fucking 'bailout' was transparently unworkable from the start."
Forget the Greeks. They are toast. The "bailout" was to protect French arms sales to Greece and prop up the overleveraged and undercapitalized German banks.

"How dare Merkel refuse to pour her citizens' labour out like water so the banksters can party for another year."
This is great writing. Truly great. Replace Merkel with Obama and her with him and you are really on to something.

"it's weird to read some posts that sound like they're coming straight from the Soc Gen."
Truly. Disclosure: long guillotines and tumbrils.

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 23:21 | 362236 TheGoodDoctor
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I figure this graph is the culprit. Correct me if I am wrong.




Thu, 05/20/2010 - 03:02 | 362401 Hephasteus
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Weird how everyone ends up owing each other more than everyone could possibly pay back. It's like there's something FUNDAMENTALLY and MATHEMATICALLY wrong here.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 04:45 | 362444 THE DORK OF CORK
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Its derivatives baby - in theory they should be net neutral but someone or something is skimming here. 

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 20:49 | 361977 Hatshepsut7
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Totally agree with your sentiments (much voiced by comments posted online for ex. on FAZ.net discussing bailouts), the political establishment in Germany is out of touch with their voters to a large degree. Mrs. Merkel has some serious political damage to undo, let's hope she maintains her back bone.

s to ZH's bipolar nature on this issue....yeah, right, have been getting the same sense. Has gotten my little red lights flashing pretty hard last few days....

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 23:50 | 362262 Assetman
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Perhaps the "bipolar" nature you speak of depends on who owns gold and who doesn't.  If you were betting on hyperinflation in the near term, Merkel just ruined your party it appears.

Food for thought...

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 00:28 | 362286 Alienated Serf
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wrt all the bipolar talk, since when is it wrong for ZH to post opposing viewpoints?

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 02:27 | 362372 defender
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You have to admit that we have pretty well crucified anyone that says anything outside of the groupthink for some time now.  Examples include Harry Wanker, Master Bates, Mako, and even Leo.  The soup du'jour is to junk posts without even reading them.  Contrary views are indeed accepted on ZH, even rewarded

by beating the submitter with a rubber hose.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 02:54 | 362392 akak
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I have to disagree.

In fact, just in the last couple of days here I have had a number of polite and constructive exchanges with several posters who admitted to being agnostic if not skeptical about the value of holding gold.  I neither jumped down their throats, nor did anyone else.  And you know why?  Because, unlike MasterBates (aka JohnnyBravo) or JayBayBaker, they did not (1) immediately enter the dialogue with an aggressive and hostile attitude and manner, (2) refuse to address or rebutt the issues raised by myself or others, and (3) did not swarm the thread with numerous hostile and gratuitously antagonistic posts.

Face it: there ARE trolls who do not deserve to be tolerated in online forums, and those who you mentioned (I will exclude Leo) were demonstrably in that camp.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 03:46 | 362417 defender
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I saw the exchanges that you are talking about and thought that they were the most informative and useful posts for that week.  Unfortunately I have to disagree with your final statement.  There are trolls, but they should be refuted, not crucified.  And when refutation doesn't work, they should be ignored. 

I would hate for this site to become like slashdot, a slave to its group think.  There are too many great minds here to lose them all to dogma.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 10:52 | 362944 WaterWings
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So far dogma has been the only way for the little guy to hold onto his wealth in these markets.

If you want dogma go to the MSM.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 08:07 | 362602 Alienated Serf
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akak, you are never a abusive unless it is to a troll like mr. wanger, which is fine, b/c he is a troll who just tries to rile people up and adds nothing constructive.  

i was just talking about the potential for groupthink to become entrenched.  i think its good we have leo or whomever else who have something constructive to add, even if it is at odds with what most of us think.  

if commenter's are gonna be like "oh i can't believe that guy doesn't agree with me and was allowed to post," isntead of crying about it, refute it!!

we can't afford to become an echo chamber, and i don't think we are, but we should be on gaurd.

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 20:54 | 361993 buzzsaw99
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PS: And I can't tell from the various articles posted, whether the ZH panel is in favour of more bailout, and bigger shadow banking system, or not!


Agreud. Some of this stuff spins like it came straight from the belly of the beast.

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 22:17 | 362141 Ropingdown
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I agree with both above, and with the surprisingly ambiguity shown in the comments.

Merkel quickly set up protection to stabilize German banks as the need to soon save them became apparent.  The French played a duplicitous game last week, in attempting once again to make Germany pay a disproportionate share only to prop up a soft currency and another round of la dolce vida on Germany's dime.  Now the legislature can stop the bailout, Germany can face its banking reorganization, and France can go to the IMF by itself.

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 22:29 | 362163 darkpool2
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The French played a duplicitous game last week,

LOL, nothing new there......the French political caste is as sleazy as they come


Wed, 05/19/2010 - 22:35 | 362174 merehuman
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Banks have in their rent seeking made war on us for centuries. We are finally catching on.

Bullish on truth.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 03:19 | 362353 Fraud-Esq
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This is the second blog today which threw a CURVEBALL on the SAME subject.

WTF. In order to mock sovereigns, we don't have to take up bank talking points.....there is ample sovereign-mocking material. I'd like to see if merkl can move the market and I dont mean price. I'm tired of watching numbers and charts, I want to see someone's foot in a chart.  

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 03:21 | 362407 ConfederateH
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With this latest ban on naked shorts, Merkel is showing she has turned into a Euro-prude.

The real issue here is the stealth-coup performed by the Euro-elite when they broke Maastricht in order to formulate the 750B bailout.  It was a blatant power grab where Brussels and ECB wanted to take over the budgets of all Euro countries.  It would appear that Merkel has had a change of heart, and this is a gigantic victory for all opposed to the elite and their constant efforts to centralize control of the entire world.  One can hope that Germany has looked at Switzerland and decided that perhaps the Swiss were right to avoid being sucked into the EU morass.

This comment from the Telegraph article was my favorite:

My reply is that the EU Finance Ministers May 2010 Summit took the eurozone out of a trade and currency union and into a region of global governance; a European Economic Government was announced by EU Finance Leaders and State Leaders; they effected a bloodless coup de etat; sovereign nation states are history. National sovereignty is a principle of a bygone era. Perhaps a Framework Agreement, but definitely future Summit Announcements, will announce governing machinery and mechanisms for coordinated economic, banking, financial, monetary and seigniorage policy.


I refer to the EuroIntelligence article Euphoria Ends As Investors Suspect Another Shameless EU Confidence Trick, where France’s Finance Minister Christine Lagarde in Les Echos.fr May 11, 2010 article ”This Is Not Just An Emergency Plan — It Is A Historic Turning Point For Europe”, relates that this is a historical turning point for the euro zone.

She said that there is a political determination now to build something new, to reinvent the European model. The original construction faults of the eurozone will be dealt with, but this will not happen overnight. The work starts soon (21 May) under EU president Van Rompuy. Lagarde listed among others a convergence of economic models, a reinforced stability and growth pact and improved functioning of the eurogroup.

An excerpt with questions and answers is as follows:

Is Germany ready for the euro area that changes its nature by being more integrated politically and economically? … “Germany has agreed to change its traditional position with focus on bilateral loans as we have seen in Greece, to defend us, with the creation of a stabilization fund for Europe, whose dimension is collective, is the key element.”

Is this one ounce of federalism? … “It’s more than an ounce of European federalism, as the fund’s programs will purchase securities or offer loans.”

Clearly historical facts show that at the May 2010 European Summit, the EU Finance Ministers announced a region of global governance, specifically a federal economic, political, and monetary government, with a EU Treasury which has the authority to buy ailing sovereign debt and to exercise seigniorage. Mr. Trichet is tasked as the EU’s Treasurer and Chief Banker.

It is significant to note the optimism and sense of mission in the Les Echos interview, as Finance Minister Lagarde stated that “This is a historic turning point is extremely clear. This is not just a device concocted for emergency requirements. We wanted to build a system for the long term. Basically, there is a realization that we’re all in this together and we suffer the same blows. There is a determination to build a new building, to reinvent the European model. We must find the rules that we preserve such crises in the future. When you put 500 billion euros on the table, it still believes that will be satisfaction. This also means that there will be fiscal adjustment for everyone. “

She went on to highlight the pivotal role of incoming EU chairman: “The work cannot be done in one day. The work will begin soon after May 21, with the appointment of the new chairman of the European Union, Herman Van Rompuy.”

Clearly we have a new building and reinvention of the European model — the European Monetary Union that Mr. Evans-Pritchard referred to is history, it is part of a bygone era: the age of European Economic Governmenance has arisen, it will be presided over by its Sovereign, Herman Van Rompuy, and its Seignior, Jean-Claude Trichet.


Has Merkel gotten cold feet, and decided that Germany would rather remain sovereign?  I pray to god that she has....

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 04:12 | 362411 Fraud-Esq
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Sounds to me like they're selling a grand skyscraper, a vision of Europe, to house and protect the wealthy shareholder of the very creditors who made bad loans in order to get rich. I agree with you. The only house that stands is the one where the reckless, loan-to-wealth creditors lose their money (with the shareholders) and the system resets. The reckless creditors cannot be allowed to gain financially and take more sovereign power, as well. That would be it. 

liberte egalite fraternite anyone?


Thu, 05/20/2010 - 05:40 | 362464 AnAnonymous
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Truth, justice and freedom anyone?



It is sounder to declare the failure of the many, not one in particular.

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 19:26 | 361841 sushi
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I'm sure everyone running capital wants to commit to the eurozone and run the risk of getting Merkeled. Survive that and then you get Sarkozied. And then just for laughs you will be Papandraoueowed. Ouzo on!

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 20:02 | 361889 Amish Hacker
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I'm wondering what happens when all the capital that would have been invested in projects in Germany (and France, Spain, etc.) is sitting in Swiss banks instead. Makes it hard to see any kind of European"recovery" fueled by capital spending any time soon.

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 22:18 | 362142 moneymutt
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kinda like US banks taking their Fed dollars and burying them to bolster reserves....dead, cold money doing nothing

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 03:36 | 362412 Fraud-Esq
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except earning 3.5% and being used to leverage prop trades in addition?

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 22:07 | 362117 tom a taxpayer
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And then you will be LilyVonShtupped!

Lili Von Shtupp: Would you like another schnitzengruben? 

Bart: No, thank you. Fifteen is my limit on schnitzengruben. 


Wed, 05/19/2010 - 22:43 | 362182 bonddude
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Lili: "What a nice guy" ;-)

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 22:37 | 362179 merehuman
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 We have been obamad !

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 23:00 | 362211 Miles Kendig
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And bushwacked.  two sides of the same coin

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 00:27 | 362285 mojine
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If'n the right one don't getcha , the left one will!

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 00:31 | 362290 Alienated Serf
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lol, politics

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 19:26 | 361843 mogul rider
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Yo gold bitches!

Our days are coming where people will treat us with respect instead of disdain. It'll be so cool to say at parties that you are a gold bitch and everybody will nod is awe.







Wed, 05/19/2010 - 19:27 | 361844 mogul rider
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It'll also be cool to be the only guy with money to pay for the beer.

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 19:44 | 361865 Renfield
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Yeah, YOU pay for the beer with your gold.

I'm going to pretend to be just another broke debtor, drinking at the table and getting bailed out by rich guy talkin' up his gold, when the bill comes.

What gold? I would have loved to get some & pay for thise here beer but I listened to the dollar bulls. Whups, I seem to be a little light this week...take an IOU? ;-)

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 19:28 | 361847 Mark McGoldrick
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When the Swiss central bank intervenes to suppress the franc, how exactly do they do this? Do they simply go in the open market and buy Euros with their francs?  If this is true, how do market participants know that a central bank is doing this?  



Wed, 05/19/2010 - 19:53 | 361877 Kataphraktos
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Yup, pretty much.

I used to work on an FX desk, and was the trader designated to deal with calls from the Fed. They call up a list of dealers, and will ask for a price on whatever currency pair they want to affect. In my case, it was always USD/JPY, when the USD was tanking in the mid-1990s.

The trader knows which way the intervention is going, so you misprice to make sure you can get rid of it without taking a loss, and of course every trader covers a little extra to ride the intervention wave up or down. To understand sizes, back then ,the quote was always for 100m USD. I suspect they were calling around 20 or so banks, so at least a couple of billion - and that was 15 years ago. We can safely assume current interventions are at least 3-4 times as big to have a similar impact these days.

Wed, 05/19/2010 - 20:00 | 361883 Rainman
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.....+100 for the insight on inner workings.

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