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Top Counter-Terrorism Experts: Indefinite Detention Will INCREASE Terrorism
Former counter-terrorism czar Richard A. Clarke wrote in May 2009 that America's indefinite detention without trial is a leading Al Qaeda recruiting tool:
On
detention, the Bush team leaped to the assumption that U.S. courts and
prisons would not work. Before the terrorist attacks, the U.S.
counterterrorism program of the 1990s had arrested al-Qaeda terrorists
and others around the world and had a 100 percent conviction rate in the
U.S. justice system. Yet the American system was abandoned, again as
part of a pattern of immediately adopting the most extreme response
available. Camps were established
around the world, notably in Guantanamo Bay, where prisoners were held
without being charged or tried. They became symbols of American
overreach, held up as proof that al-Qaeda's anti-American propaganda
was right.
The same month, I interviewed one of the world's leading experts on terror - Terrell (Terry) E. Arnold, and Arnold agreed with Clarke:
WB:
I'm interested in your views on whether releasing the photos of the
"harsh interrogation" would create a wave of anti-American sentiment,
and whether the additional risk it is alleged to create to our troops is
justified?Terry Arnold: I think the chances are pretty good that such pictures will increase the anger, but I fear that the real damage already has been done by:
(a) keeping hundreds of young men in confinement without trial;
(b) having it known by various channels that they were tortured, and
(c) reports
that the Americans intend to keep many of these young people in
confinement for the indefinite future because their captors are afraid
to let them go.***
(Arnold's statement is particularly relevant since Obama is considering indefinitely detaining the Guantanamo detainees without a real trial under the U.S. justice system)
Monday, Obama did sign an executive order creating an indefinite detention system for prisoners at Guantanamo.
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The methods used against the detainees are almost identical to those used to create the most calculating and dangerous killers that work for the "intelligence" services.
"Nice job creating more terrorists, you morons ..."
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Bwaahahaaha!
You would think they are trying to write the recruiters text for them....
FAIL
Everything seems to increase terrorism. Except kneeling under the scimitar.
This is exactly why we can't trade freedom for security. We just don't have enough of it to go around. For example, there is no such thing as an anti-terrorist attack that would cause the TSA to curtail some of their more invasive procedures. Tyranny seems to be a one way street. You can only hit the reset button periodically.
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The 'increase in terrorism' is nothing but bunk. How many terrorists have their been that said "oh I loved the US till they estabilshed Gitmo to hold those who were at war with the US"..
Seriously. The simple fact is those in Gitmo aren't killing Americans or training others to. A BETTER argument could be made that holding the jihadi's in Gitmo reduces the # of terrorists....
No ... following disproven ideas about stealing people's oil, torturing them, and throwing away the key increases terrorism.
On the other hand, listening to what the top counter-terrorism experts tell us to do will decrease terrorism:
Why We're Losing the War on TerrorYou know, GW, I'm a fairly new "reader", and smarts have dulled with age, no doubt. However, why does it seem to me, that everything that you submit, is intended to poke the right in the eye? Secondly, Richard Clark has ZERO credibility with most thinking people. Just sayin'.
You and hellfish have got to get with the program.
There is no right or left on ZH. Most of us have reached the conclusion that there is no difference between the conservative politician and the liberal politician. Together, they own our asses. Conservatives are statists, Liberals are statists, and none of them give two cares for you or I. It is a divide and conquer technique that has worked very well up until now. The more we reject the paradigm, the more we'll all come to realize that we've been had.
You and I both see the same thing from this 'poster'.
Just another obama campaign promise that gets chalked up to "ain't gonna happen". No chance of re-election at this point unless he steps up his ability to feed the sheeple what they want to hear and then teleprompt his way out of it. How much more BS can this administration possibly produce? Or is it plain-jane incompetence? Perhaps he'll pick-up an oppty to have some folks over for a tiger blood cocktails?
Let's see the AP question to obama and Mexican prez Calderon the other day... on the NFL strike and contract negotiations - was such a key peice of first-rate journalism (and spin control by the WH). So much so that the reality distortion bubble grew even stronger. It feeds on itself there now.
Here's your NYT quote on Gitmo so you can remove that one from your cherry-pickin' farm:
The New York Times, meanwhile, said that while the order permits military trials to resume, it is also "implicitly admitting the failure of his pledge to close the prison camp."
Just waiting for admission from some rational person in the admin that the whole obama show is a failure and continues to the destruction of the US and the overall financial system. We already know this and live with it.
Keep suckin' that kool-aid bong GW. Good God, to think you vote and have a driver's license. Not sure which one puts me more at risk.
Classic GW, cherry picking quotes and data to arrive at goalseeked conclusion.
Yes, he at least provides evidence for his opinions and you provide, ummm let me think .... ABSOLUTELY F'N NOTHING!
Britain have a bunch of interfering petty arseholes better known as 'Community Officers'. They were recently exposed as costing over £1 million per officer for every crime they solved (ie. totally bloody useless... aren't all State Police?).
That pales in comparison to Americas global mission to round up Al Q' loonies and the ever expanding Homeland Security idiot brigade which is costing US taxpayers $80bn per year for nearly a decade. If the US ever arrests Bin Hiding the cost will work out at $10's of Billions to catch him, surely the most expensive policing mission EVER
Like everything the moronic State does it is tragically incompetent, tragically expensive and tragically pointless/mindless. Every Govt retard that has had anything to do with this clown show should be sent to Gitmo Bay and left to eat each other to stay alive. Last person standing gets a reprive and a lifetime job clearing bullshit
Not incompetence- it is all planned. The false flags and terrorist boogeymen are to start profitable wars and scare the sheeple into supporting the NWO's global police state. The torture is INTENDED to create terrorists, and to give the government infrastructure and practice for the day when they inevitably turn the gulag system against us. The porno scanners are a clever psyops and a way for Chertoff to line his pockets. They were never intended to catch anyone (except smugglers, perhaps). The Community Officers are not there to solve real crimes- who wants that? They are there to keep the serfs cowed and saddled with stupid fees. This is all part of a managed collapse of the entire Western world.
That's what the top EXPERTS say. On the other hand, some people think that:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/government-and-big-business-are-gaming-social-media#comment-975799
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/government-and-big-business-are-gaming-social-media#comment-975855
They are only an EXPERT (all caps) in your eyes because their sound byte fits with your predetermined conclusions that you are trying to goalseek.
Richard Clarke is a moron who according to Mansoor Ijaz was one of the key people to prevent the Clinton administration from arresting bin laden.
Mr. Ijaz would not be a terrorism expert in your book because he does not facilitate your goalseeking. Don't you see how liberal distortion works? Its probably hard for you to see it when you view life through those lenses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansoor_Ijaz
IMO, the so called "war on terror" creates more terror than the acts of radical muslims. Why? because it is played over and over in our minds through the media, our top politicians mention it frequently and every time we go to the airport little goons grope our groins.
Thinking about this logically, one should probably conclude that the people who put these things in place did so for the purpose of making us feel terrorized. Why? Maybe so they could go on with their private agendas unencumbered, such as passing laws using the Executive Powers granted under the war powers act and renewed every September 14th.
Clinton did not want to capture bin Laden. Everything that I have read about bin Laden prior to 9/11 is that he was working with the US in a kind of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend type of relationship" ... and he was a good buddy of the Bushes. After 9/11 it gets a little more murky.
The government's indefinite detention policy - stripped of it's spin - is literally insane, and based on circular reasoning. Stripped of p.r., this is the actual policy:
See how that works?
GW:
I remain amazed at your jejeune expectation of combat pickup of an EPW: "Sir, I am going to read you your Miranda Rights." lol And you say:
Yep, we talk about the Banksta'z being on both sides of the deal. How 'bout the Lawyaz', since you are on a search for truth, justice, and rooting out corruption whereever it might be found? Speak 'Truth to Power?' How about the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States? That close enuf to "Power" for u?
So Eric Holder can't get Gitmo closed, next best thing is the "Lawyer Eternal Employment Act." See e.g., but well known:
http://sightsonpennsylvania.blogspot.com/2009/02/eric-holders-law-firm-r...
'cmon, this is slow-pitch.
- Ned
{Banksta'z, Lawya'z, same fools (me, maybe you) paying the freight}
It is a perpetual war - if you have ever spoken with Islamists as I have, they will be most happy to tell you. It is as simple as that. It really does not matter if you wish to fight it or not. This desire is directed toward everyone else in the world. Simply look at their conflicts with China and Russia which are not widely reported and you will understand that there is not any single national entity(or alternative social pardigm) with whom the Islamists are not perpetually engaged in hostility. A bully will be antagonistic toward everyone. It is their very nature.
Now we're getting somewhere ...
Its only insane to a red-diaper-doper-baby who thinks that enemy combatants from foreign battlefields have constitutional protection.
Fuck you, American nazi.
America has lost every war its ever fought except WWII.
The most powerful and expensive military-industrial complex sure can attack and over-run a country (a brief 'win') but keeps getting its expensive arse whipped during occupations (eventual, inevitable defeat). No military can occupy a country with any 'success' but the true morons in the US Defence (attack?) Dept are too stupid to work it out!!
America has left Vietnam, Iraq and (soon to be) Afghanistan with its tail between its legs its military might defeated by rank under-funded pheasant amateurs like the VietCong, cowboy Iraqi militia and The Taliban.
America keeps losing wars, the war on drugs and soon the war on terrorism. The latter, at $80bn per annum to chase a dozen Al Q' loonies ranks as the most fuking expensive and incompetent 'Search & Destroy' policing mission in global history... a pathetic and grotesque waste of US taxpayers money on a massive US mission failure (caught Binny yet?)
The war on drugs is being won; why stop?
The CIA (and other intelligence services like the jooooos) are THE TRUE drug cartels.
Bunch of little goose steppers around here junking anybody who criticizes doing away with Habeas Corpus (not the the racist Inquisition called the US justice system was any better).
Junked for truth?
Obama is considering? I think he has decided
obummer can't decide which side of the fence he's on.
http://covert2.wordpress.com
That statement is from 2 years ago. I update the status at the end of the article:
EXECUTIVE ORDER (link in first post)