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Toronto G-20 Protests, Police Car On Fire, And More
Toroto's G-20 meeting is shaping up as the most impotent yet most confrontational of all recent summits so far. As Bloomberg reports, "Group of 20 leaders will agree to targets to tackle deficits in their final statement without prescribing when nations should begin to move to balance their books, according to officials with knowledge of the document." Due to the escalating schism between US and Europe, or Geithner and Merkel (incidentally, for definitive proof Merkel is spot on, Argentina just joined the pro-Keynesian chorus saying Europe's focus on cutting deficits is "absolutely wrong" - and if anyone knows anything about top notch economic policy, it is surely Argentina), it is likely that neither will push their own agenda on others, and with the yuan's recent symbolic depegging, everyone will be able to go home pretending victory was achieved. Yet despite the complete lack of consensus, somehow the leaders have decided to cut deficits in half by 2013, even though this target is beyond ridiculous, coming at a time when the entire world is spending with a profligacy that would make a drunk sailor blush (even one that has access to Bernanke's printer). "The draft of the statement includes targets championed by Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper to have countries halve deficits by 2013 and start to stabilize their debt-to-output ratios by 2016, the officials said. There is a consensus to maintain stimulus now with the focus on deficits in the “medium- term,” Harper said in a June 21 interview." In other words, nothing will change, and eventually, when the entire world has over 5 times its entire GDP encumbered in real cash debt (as opposed to the $1.2 quadrillion in pseudo-metaphysical debt), and interest payments alone account for well over 30% or more of economic production, the G-20 might, just might, consider debt cutting approaches. In the meantime, initial protests which had been largely peaceful, quickly turned violent as over 30 arrests have been made in Toronto so far, coupled with burning police cars, the use of gas masks, and direct police-protest engagements.
Below is a video from RT showing some of the festivities
And another:
And some more:
Courtesy of Reuters, some pictures that capture the antiglobalization mood. If you look closely, you will find the Americans in the crowd, closely following the riots on their iPads.
Those who wish to follow's Reuters live-coverage of the G-20 summit can do so here.
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We are at the apex of our age. Our next move will dictate the first course of our new legacy.
"If humanity wishes to save itself from bio-spheric destruction, it must return to living in natural time." -Pacal Votan
What is time? For generations now it has been thought to be monie. And what is monie? Well as of now it (FIAT) is nothing. So if we are living without time how abouts we act like it. We must clame our time back; so what is time? Well, it exists in ourselves, our own minds. It is extremely relative. So in order to get our time back we must turn back into ourselves, we must find out what is making us tick. Hearts and bones, sun and a moon, oceans and land.
We must end this arc with great fervor, but we must remember that we are ending it to begin anew.
delicious post jimijohn
pacal voltan aka jose arguelles si? and si, time is malleable like playdoh, but it only compresses so far until the earth's rhythm snaps back.
or is it more vast than the mother like pacal the he-man stated? is it time to get our galactic on ya think?
there is a cycle turning for sure...question is how large is the largest interlocking one?
7 years? 3 generations? 1 tun? 1 katun? 26 katuns? 1 piktun?
no idea, other than an choice to believe that we're gonna find out like soon.
like real soon
One must also consider, time lines are horizontal and not verticle. In our simple mass we stand astride past, present and future. Yes, time is malleable, just not by us. One must have the capability to be extremely nimble if one wishes to continue crossing the time lines. Ley lines are cool too.
cossack55
"One must also consider, time lines are horizontal and not verticle."
Wasn't the season finale of Dr Who cool. Matt owned the role from day one. And who would have thunk that Rory was such a strong character.
I'm pretty sure the Doctor said just what you did, but with a bit more of a frantic tone.
c55, ley lines are mad cool.
ever hear the theory that broadway (on manhat) lies on top of one?
Arguellas has channelled pacal for sure; the aforementioned was a Mayan sage from back in the day.
Yes, and we are at the door step! It is a very exciting time, one that I wish our hearts were focused on to harmonize with! I will say yours and mine may be, for what it's worth, but imagine the people of the earth all meditating at sun rise instead of wayching bloody 'Mercan Idull!
And for any skeptic, you need not listen to your own beat, or that of the earth; tune into Kaku, and he will tell you all about the solar flares that are headed this way in the next year or so. Just sayin'.
You sound like the fucker who stole my wallet in the 70's...
Hilarious!
luddite horse shit. men live longer because of technology. what are you doing here if you don't like progress and technology? log in to the woodsman's internet. bet you'd have a great time for your heart and get big bone(r)s downloading sun and moon into those rocks and rotting logs. for christs sake.
aldousd
"men live longer because of technology."
Yep. This is the Golden age.
"men live longer because of technology"
oooooh, tech like f reserve banking, nuclear weapons, antibiotics, deep sea oil volcanoes, AIDS, etc?
Progress? This soup of cocaine credit is PROGRESS TO YOU???
I bid you peace in this hell because you wish to stay in it.
LeBalance
"I bid you peace in this hell because you wish to stay in it."
Fuck you bitch! Tell that to a woman who lives through Breast Cancer because of the quality of modern medicine. Or infants getting the surgery and medical treatments they need.
Get your ass of the goddamn computer. Turn of your fridge, ac or fan. Stomp your cell to death.
You want to see hell, next time your ass gets sick refuse the ambulance, refuse the trip to the hospital and gnaw on roots.
Bet you'll change your fucking toon.
Gully foyle,
Isn't is amazing that the people living in the midst of the greatest collective wealth in human history seem to feel cheated in some way? As you note, cell phones, ambulances, refrigerators, air condidioning, or even an adequate hospital are pretty recent developments. Imagine the relative value of a chicken 150 years ago. Now a chicken sandwich is available everywhere for $2. Pretty amazing when you reflect on how many have been sitting on their butts with no contribution to anything, they cannot be troubled to pick a pea.
According to the 1911 Census of England & Wales, the three largest occupational groups then were domestic service, agriculture, and coal mining. By 2008, the three largest groups were sales personnel, middle managers, and teachers.
What we can first notice is one hundred years ago much of the work done in the economy was direct human labour. And much of that labour was associated directly with harnessing energy in the form of food or fossil fuels.
Today, the largest groups have little to do with production, but are more focused upon the management of complexity directly, or indirectly through providing the knowledge base required of people living in a world of more specialised and diverse occupational roles.
What evolved in the intervening hundred years was that human effort in direct energy production was replaced by fossil fuels. The contribution of fossil fuels to the economy can be expressed as being energetically equivalent to a huge slave supplement to our economy. The energy content of a barrel of oil is equivalent to twelve years of adult labour at forty hours a week. Even at $100 /bl, oil is remarkably cheap compared with human labour. As fossil fuel use increased, human labour in agriculture and energy extraction fell, as did the real price of food and fuel. These price falls freed up discretionary income, making people richer.
Well said. We are the luckiest humans that have ever existed and it seems we are going to ruin it all instead of trying to correct the problems (many) that progress has brought.
Our problems can be fixed. None without sacrifice and hard work but going back even 100 years in lifestyle will force the deaths of several billions of people and cut avg lifespans in half. Going back to a state of "nature" will cost 90% of people living their lives and cut avg lifespans by 75%. Do people want to bury most of their children by age 5?
We don't need ipads to maintain modern society but we do need energy to ensure the things like clean water, epidemic disease control, decent medical care.
Modern half-educated spoiled brats (like many in the riots) assume that the "good ol' days" were spent romping in the ripening wheat and enjoying a pint (no preservatives) with friends after a hearty meal. My father, the son of a relatively prosperous farmer, went without shoes (except for school or church), hoe'd corn from dawn to dusk, and often had only cornbread and buttermilk for supper (in the 30's).
All the old diseases are out there to kill your children--and you, since you have no natural immunity (just observe what happens when enough parents get scared of vaccines) measles, whopping cough, scarlet fever, polio, diptheria, typhoid, etc., etc.
Work to fix our societies errors if you can but the return to a "earlier, better" time had better stop around the 1950's or kiss your ass goodbye!
Excellent post. The luxuries we have today are as a result of finite fossil fuel reserves, now that we are on the downslope of peak oil we will witness the erosion of all 'modern' technology. We are on the NET energy cliff, it's only a matter of months before societies around the world begin to rupture and break down.
Yes and this is the MAIN REASON why the banksters took the economy down; evidence in that they did it on the plateau; this to consolidate wealth one last time.
That is why most of the world lives on less than $2/day? How do you define "rich". I consider a rich life one where you are not starving, working like a slave and bitterly unhappy. IF this "wealth" is so rich, why are so many unhappy and on Prozac? You have obviously been reaping the benefits of Empire and conveniently forgetting the people who are victims of Empire(the majority of the world). Not alone, to mention the destruction of Earth, that supplies all the "wealth".
++ Kali (Yuga)
nothing like being self-centered with a dash of "fuck you" to miss out on the reality of every - thing else.
+infinity
Peak oil is going to mess up your little fairy tale. Run tell dat.
Purchase a quality microscope... around $200 and learn how to use it.
You can not only culture bacteria from cows milk if you go raw or culture yogurt and cure cheese...
You can check other foods (think lack of refrigeration...), home canned foods to protect yourself from food poisoning...
You can do your own white blood cell count to check for infection...
You can even culture and manufacture your own penicillin for those Mad Max collapse of society needs...
I can teach you how to grind lenses and build a crude microscope if none were available... But I suggest instruments and tools should be purchased now...
Oh yeah.... Get that Lee loader for your .30 06 while you're at it...
I think LeBalance, true to his name, is merely pointing out that "progress" is a double-edged sword... simultaneously a great strength and a great weakness. "Progress" provides for an equal measure of miracles and horrors... because man is behind it's employment. The real issue is not progress, but the measure and quality of our humanity... how we decide to treat ourselves and our posterity, in a natural, not forced, collective sense. All nations, regardless of structure (Democratic, Communist, etc.), go to war because the people of that nation support it. Should we devolve into that poor condition, as we have in nearly all Saecular cycles in man's history, well, I think WWIII will leave us with a very clean slate to start anew.
Gully, I don't think its fair associate technology bettering human life.
Okay, a woman, lets say at 45, get medical treatment for breast cancer that costs 50K dollars.
Now, we as a society, could have spent that 50k on food for children that are starving to death for the rest of their lives (Maybe 5, 10 or more people, but more than 1 would be able to live).
Which is better?
The largest health care expenses are accumulated in the last year of one's life. What if we spent these resources at the beginning of one's life?
Yes people live longer today, however many live it in a nursing home. Nursing homes are a terrible place to be.
Quality vs Quantity.
Maybe lebalance will not ask for 100K operation at the age of 75. Maybe he will. I have no problem as long as he pays for it himself. If he had 100k, he could give it to his spouse or his children if he felt it was better choice. Today, in the US, people are not allowed to think this way because health care is free to those over 65.
and which part of modern technology influences the dramatic increase in "getting cancer". by the way, cured mine w/o the accepted technological methods of today. ps. I grew up in "cancer alley" in Louisiana surrounded by the latest technology of the time.
Cancer is from plastics, petro-chems such as pesticides and fertilizers, aerosol, med shots, chlorine, fluoride, HFCS, dyes such as red 40 and yellow 5, aspartame, deodorant, makeup, etc, etc,etc.
Haven't you seen Tim Burton's Batman?
+1...
Mr. Lennon Hendrix makes actual factual assessments... The benefits of industrial society that first coal then oil have built
Did I chastise technology? No, I did not. I was refering to FIAT solely. Where did you get this strawman? I was referring to the fact that everybody, almost anyway, are chasing "monie" (whatever that is) instead of enjoying time (whatever that is). Technology is what we make of it, and I could go there if you like...
And what progress have we made? Gather and hunter societies had way more free time than we have now, and their societies were much stronger in respect to familier relations. Go to Vegas, tell me what you see....progress? If you are strickly referring to medicine, well, go take a flu shot!!! As far as me being in the woods, you don't even know. I won't go there. You are on a need to know basis.
I believe it was Terence McKenna who said that time is where we put things to stop them all happening at once. . .
you & tip e. having a chat, makes for easy perusal so far, thanks guys.
[Edit] sheesh, had no idea my post would end up so far down the thread, thus negating that warm vibe up top, lol. . . ah well, it's the flavour here.
Hey Mistah Soros - looks like this color revolution is bright red.
Thanks, asshole.
Pardon my ignorance, but exactly what are they protesting, and who are they (in general terms). Are they anarchists? Communists? Fascists? Libertarians? Environmentalists? . . .I am not being facetious, I am just uninformed what type of movement these protests are. A little more feisty than the tea partyers.
Yes.
Ikeans
"Are they anarchists? Communists? Fascists?"
Corporate Owned Governance is the First Tenant of Fascism
The fuckers in the black uniforms, clubs and helmets are the fascists... Every one now in your best Rudolph Hess: "Seig... Heil!" <Nazi Salute> ... Riot cops love that....
Fascists... are the G-20 leaders + their bitchez... you know "bitchez"... Timmay G.?
The bearded dweebs are your unemployed cousins, sons, brothers, neighbors.... etc.
Maybe they are protesting $Trillions more in bailouts and backdoor give aways to TBTF Lloyd and Jamie so they can pay themselves huge bonuses for tax payer WELFARE and other bitch fests...
Maybe they are protesting jail for a joint but not even an indictment for $Trillions in Wall Street looting, theft and fraud...
"Maybe they are protesting jail for a joint"
Yep, justice is not dead in USA. You can't turn on a telly today to watch a COPS-like programm where some kind of sad sob is brutalised for doing drugs or soliciting prostitution and consequently slammerised.
And what exactly are TPTB doing to improve the lives of the poor fuckers other than jailing them, serving them the American dream and robbing them of their very last shred of dignity?
LMAO
"And what exactly are TPTB doing to improve the lives of the poor fuckers other than jailing them...?"
Committing Financial Fraud and Paying Bonuses
Trading equities and derivatives on the gulag stocks like Wackenhut and Corrections Corporation of America...
Naked short selling any Ameriakn manufacturing or any other job source for the rabble...
Profiting off of and paying huge bonuses on the misery of the rabble...
It's God's Work
But some TBTF bankster has to do it...
All of the above plus .IMHO it is a compendium of all microgroups screaming at the now almost silly "charters of the human course". If our charts are being drawn by these nitwits (Cameron, Merkle, Obamanator, et. al.) we are certainly doomed.
Rebel
They tend to protest global warming, corporate greed, and global governance.
I'm not sure if there are any traditional Anarchists anymore, like the Bakunin version.
Some are just there for the party.
I guess I get confused . . . Strange to be against global government and global warming . . . If you believe in global warming, you would tend to support global government, to enforce your environmental agenda.
They appear quite animated.
that's not necessarily true rebel, but that connection is definitely stronger than most will admit. don't worry, the smart ones are comin around, just like their compadres on the right.
if one is able to see both sides, one would see more similarities than differences.
take it for what you will.
you're still 'greener' than all of them though...
It is pretty eyeopening when you study it a bit. There are fairly well organized groups that simply plan to show up and run wild. In one sense it resembles the English football nutters who travel to the continental games for the purposes of getting into physical battles and injuries are a badge of honor. They have no expectation of improving anything. It is the simple joy of a rumble that excites them.
Sigh...Looking down on people who can actually be bothered to move their asses from their comfortable sofas and let the oligarchs know they cannot fuck the world as they wish..Such an ignorant American attitude..You, my friend, deserve to be raped in the ass..Endless times..At least show some respect or shut up!
Actually you're both right - but you were touching yourself as you wrote your screed.
B.o.w.e.l. movement or possibly they have received an upgrade and are a v.o.w.e.l. movement, at least they would begin to enjoy the pathos.
They're just... crazies. Hard-lefties, free-Mumia types, professional protesters, Islamists, moral relativists, and communists.
There's no conversing with these people. Many of them will pick fights with cops just to spend a night in jail so they can brag to their friends about it.
I wish I could sit down and better understand their "Big Picture". You burn the buildings, loot the stores, turn over the cars . . . then what . . . what does the next day look like in their model.
Having observed these idiots in action outside the IMF here in DC, I am quite sure they are not protesting.
They are socializing.
These "idiots in action" may also serve a function in society for progression. If you look at socities that have no protest movement of any sort, they tend to be (but are not always) hyper-authoritarian: Saudi Arabia,North Korea, (Berlin Wall) Romania and Albania. Guatemala. You may deplore their politics and what they stand for ... but that doesn't mean their presence is a bad thing. Their absence would be indicative of something far worse.
And remember - the cops will beat the hell out of these people and it will be o.k. - but the one who throws a brick through a McDonald's window will likely do 2 years+ in jail. Is that "justice" with any sense of scale or balance?
Wow. There seems to be a lot of the "I'm too apathetic to do anything at all myself so I'll just label 'loony' anyone who has the 'nads to stand up for me, even though I'm really just a jealous puss of a domeless wonderboy." mentality here on ZH; how sad.
As to the idiots in the crowd who try to tickle the already itchy trigger fingers of those who get their kicks from wearing shields and jack-boots: fuck off.
Musical interlude:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gpRqmuW7Ak
"Tomorrow you're homeless... But tonight it's a blast!"
and,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bAFITGnjrg
"The old get old and the young get stronger. May take a week and it may take longer.
They got the guns, but we've got the numbers..."
Regards
Pretty feisty response there, GoinFawr.
I don't think people here are apathetic. Many just feel the ROI of throwing rocks at police is not that great. For me, I would rather invest my time if developing robust local production infrastructure. Building a chicken coop, greenhouse, raised growing beds, solar plant and so forth is a better investment of my time. I will be vocal in my criticism of the system, I will vote, I will engage in vigorous debate. I will not throw rocks at police, I will not turn cars over, I will not burn and loot stores (local mom and pops NOR large chains), i will not stand in crowds chanting silly slogans, I will not be rude to anyone.
If you want something from me, and ask nicely, I will probably give it to you. I would strongly suggest you not try and loot, pillage, or steal my stuff.
Hey, fair enough Rebel. I can get behind the sort of resistance you profess, anytime. And while its obvious that torching police cars only plays into the hands carrying the strongest arsenal, I am afraid that sometimes circumstances necessitate being a bit 'rude'.
And I highly doubt many protesters, even the truly loopy ones, want to loot, pillage or steal your personal stuff. Unless of course you happen to be the proud owner of some massive internationally operating company which is itself hell bent on doing a good deal of raping, stealing and pillaging; mostly of those least able to defend themselves.
Regards
When I watch rioting, I see lots of action totally unrelated to the issue being protested. Remember the Rodney King riots where that poor unfortunate soul was dragged out of a cement truck, and then beaten senseless, and then while he was lying on the street, one of the rioters picked up a brick, threw it into his head (crushing his skull), and then did an endzone dance (on live TV)? What had the guy in the truck done, other than get up, go to work and try and support his family. Also, in such riots, they burn the mom and pop groceries right along with the corporations.
Well, now you're just making the case that the protesters need to organise, focus. Once again: I doubt many of the protesters want any of your listed tragedies to occur. And aside from a few bruises and singed eyebrows nothing yet on that level has been perp'd by the protesters in Toronto. 'There is one in every crowd' natch, but that cliche describes football/hockey/baseball fans (well mb not baseball fans: doesn't everyone just fall asleep?) just as readily, no?
Letters to the usual address...
...so why are you posting here instead of rioting and franchise-burning?
I mean, franchise owners are some of the saddest-sack lumpenprole business people in the world. Breaking their windows is like raping a puppy.
This is not something you can win through rioting or protesting. There are single soldiers - not even special forces - in Iraq that have personal kill counts in the four figures.
Two or three trained soldiers with moderate equipment could easily kill an entire crowd of people in under five minutes.
It's just not terribly sane... not to mention morally self-detonating. "I oppose war and bombs... therefore I will bomb things and menace people."
"I oppose war and bombs... therefore I will bomb things and menace people."
That was not my point Apostate.
And a large group of unarmed (for the most part, anyway) are really not much of a 'menace' to, as you assert, "...single soldiers - not even special forces - in Iraq that have personal kill counts in the four figures", now are they?
But I agree wholeheartedly that any actions taken by protesters must be much more diligent in defining their focus; difficult as that may be to accomplish in a raging throng blinded by tear-gas. Handy, visible symbols tend to be attacked without regards for the small-time franchise owner, certainly. Still, if you wear a Calgary Flames jersey to an Edmonton Oilers' losing home game, you're stupid if you think that you're not going to meet with at least some derision...
IE I know most franchise owners have it tough, but wittingly or unwittingly they provide the financial base that supports the wrong-doing that their franchise represents.
Regards
You also forgot environmentalists and anti-capitalists, as well as growing numbers of Libertarians.
And long may they continue. Only ones with the balls to stand up to the Ziofascist bastards.
G8/G20 is all a bunch of elite nonsense. Long may their plans be ruined.
The violent ones in masks are probably undercover cops. Again
And again
And again.
It's becoming a Canadian protest tradition.
Look it up, or call me a liar.
COINTELPRO -- Bingo Dr. Sandi
Paid FBI provocateurs... always smashing windows causing violence and always the one who says "Hey I know where we can get some dynamite..."
That one is always on the FBI payroll following FBI instructions to incite violence...
For any one who cares to read history and study the fascist political police known as fibbie....
The ignorant Amerikan public blames it on protesters every time...
I suggest "The FBI and the KKK" by Michael Newton for starters...
Randy Weaver was framed on the shotgun charge, believe it.
Yeah, the original motivation for them "going" to his house is that he did not show up for a court date. Amazingly the notice they sent him had the WRONG date on it. This is documented. Whether it was accidental, or intentional, the results are the same.
Yes. Raw story just put up an account of a guardian reporter being beaten by the police after identifying himself as 'with the media.' The guardian has confirmed on their website that one of their reporters experienced violence at the hands of the police. Per the reporter, there were no "anarchists" in sight. The crowd was largely middle aged and police were armed with tear gas and rubber bullets. They used the bullets.
Reg: If you want to join the People's Front of Judea, you have to really hate the Romans.
Brian: I do!
Reg: Oh yeah, how much?
Brian: A lot!
Reg: Right, you're in.
The balkanization of America is now underway...Viral reverse spread back home...46 States are now in vortex decline...With no uplift..................................And RT is the one to cover this.....The amerikan media are covering the USA loss in world soccer...What else....
geopol, so good to see you! You really do need to come out of your shell!
Remember, when all else fails, Blame Canada.
geopol
"The balkanization of America is now underway"
I first learned about JESUSLAND in Richard Morgans scifi novel Thirteen.
That's when I started expecting Balkanization. Only thing now is the South being fucked by OILPOCALYPSE. Where them crackers gonna go? Ain't shit hopping except in North Dakota.
I wish I went to Toronto. I'm a good rioter. Hint to attendees, never dress in a furry costume unless you want to get your ass kicked by the cops and the civilly disobedient.
Hmm.....one wonders exactly what point the protesters were trying to make by looting a fricking Winners store (for the yanks that is equivalent to looting a Ross Store)?
The Police at the G20 were given special arrest powers by the Province of Ontario for this event. One wonders why they didn`t make better use of them?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/g8-g20/news/police-given-greater-arrest-powers-near-g20-security-zone/article1617664/
51weeks and two days....
Because we are 2 years and 6 months from an open door that if you step through it means fuck off and stay fucked off. Direct access to the black hole at the center of the galaxy. Being a king isn't any fun when you aint got no peasants.
What the fuck are those cops doing to those innocent bicycles? That's just wrong.
Did the rioters remember to show the police their ID's?
Those are war bicycles. They are trained to bunny hop all over protesters if they get rowdy.
I don't know if you knew this, they used bikes in WWI and WWII. Looks like they are "gearing up" for WWIII.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_infantry
shit msC, y'all need to come to NYC during a critical mass. they get the turbocharged circular saw out on just some loony bikers who run red lights. 'tis ain't a thang, cuz the irony is that those people who got their bikes stolen will most likely get a 3x's compensation from the city's slush fund with the TPTB.
anarchy's a good business these days if you know how to play it.
I have done a couple critical masses in my city. Right now they are so small, the cops don't bother. Alas, I have only seen them on Youtube.
"burning police cars"... thats the way to stimulate!
The question is WHY would any city volunteer to host a G20 meeting, knowing that it most certainly will be accompanied by riots and burned cars and businesses, not to mention cost $millions in Police Overtime?
Now, they could just host the meeting up in Nunavut, where about nobody is around to protest and you can't even get there if you don't charter your own plane. They actually did host a recent meeting up there. What meeting in such a remote location does not do is provide the images of Overwhelming Force of the Police State.
Anyhow, to martial up all those cops in Body Armor, somebody has to pay for it and its not broke municipalities footing the bill. This money HAS to be coming from the G20 itself, with plenty extra thrown in to bribe local officials to absorb the damages.
I can't wait for the NYC meeting of the G20. How many of New York's Finest do you think the Oligarchs can Martial Up surrounding Wall Street? If Toronto put out 20,000, NYC would have to put out at least 50,000 Boots on the ground.
All this while police forces are cutting pensions and downsizing? Unless the G20 will pay for a big Gestapo in every city, they'll have to start travelling around in a convoy with their own NATO force of MPs, which no doubt is already happenning.
Welcome to the Police State.
RE
Since you were apparently being rhetorical, let me offer this rhetoric.
Canada now has enough para-military equipment to para-equip a para-army.
Since the Canadian government says this little party is costing A BILLION DOLLARS, and most of it's not coming out of the treasury, one must assume a great aramaments windfall for all of Canada from hosting this event.
It would be foolish to think the RCMP and OPP aren't going to keep these great costumes for use at the next fancy dress ball.
Sure, it cost Canada a lot to host, but they are the only ones in the cabal of 20 regimes than can really afford to replace the police cars.
YES!
"The question is WHY would any city volunteer to host a G20 meeting, knowing that it most certainly will be accompanied by riots and burned cars and businesses, not to mention cost $millions in Police Overtime?"
Because they are reimbursed and because this is on the job training for what comes next.
That and Jekyll Island phoned in sick...
There are only around 40k combined cops and auxiliaries in the NYPD, spread over multiple boroughs.
Riots aren't usually that big of a deal here... our proles are totally beaten down, or exiled to the outlying ruins.
Granted, at the moment the NYC proles are so far being sufficiently fed and housed so as not to hit riot level, but this eventually will pass. I'm a former NYC resident, and the outlying boroughs only need some time before they finally explode. When the Bailout money stops flowing it should start to get interesting.
As to the 40,000 NYPD, figure them to be supplemented by 20,000 in NATO MPs, then another 10,000 from the FBI, Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms, and throw in a few State Troopers and National Guard to round out the security force.
RE
Erm... where I live, the people that look like proles carry around massive wads of cash.
The funny thing is, the ethnics are generally richer than the young manhattanites spending 60% of their paychecks or more on rent every month.
Also, the cops could be supplemented by NJ and PA cops, as occurred after 9/11.
It'll be interesting to see what happens after the elections and they cut bennies to the bone.
Eugenics is still progressive, who knew?
+1 ... Hah, made me snort!!!
speaking of the finest, anyone interested in the minute details on how the boys' club denigrates whistleblowers should read this:
http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-06-15/news/adrian-school-craft-nypd-tap...
Thanks for the link.
Is there a Serpico 2? If not, sounds like this story could be the basis for the encore....
Which is the largest subset of the coast to coast brotherhood of racketeering organizations?
LAPD? or NYPD?
re: RE... aka ReverseEngineer
Is RogueEconomist your new handle?
I see you left RD.
If it is you...just a shout out from DP.
Actually, Rogue Economist is my original nom de plume, I used it before Reverse Engineer. However, one in the same writer, yes.
RE
I knew RE as both on the Peak Oil forums.
Rogue Economist was the old handle, Reverse Engineer the new.
I like em both. ;-)
"Unless the G20 will pay for a big Gestapo in every city". Wow. What an optomist. More like "Since the G20 is paying for a big Gestapo in every city". Now thats realism.
Maybe they'll host a future mtg in Beijing and kill two birds with one stone - flatter the Chinese, and keep the riff-raff out. Good luck getting an entry visa boys and girls.
Pelt me with insults if you must. Just keeping the message to one little sector of the blogosphere will never get us where we want to go. This incident is on HP right now, and the consensus is towards it being a false flag maneuver. OK, I fess up, I did push that, but mainly because I know Canadians just don't go for this sort of violence. The unions, with women and children in tow, had disbanded after their march when this began.
Why is it that at every WTO and G20 meeting, ordinary people trying to get their message across, somehow get painted with that big tar brush?
whether it's false flag or black flag, we may never know. however, that the consensus at puffHo thinks it's false flag is very telling imo. looks like papa cass is losing the bot war of hearts & minds.
I smell false flag terror attacks in the near future....the masses can't focus on the oil spill, the depression, the inflation, the Euro, or Toronto riots.
and if anyone knows anything about top notch economic policy, it is surely Argentina),
ROFLMAO!!!!!
+++ that one got me too... :^)
Good live blog:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/g8-g20/latest-updates-from-g8g20-protests/article1618626/
Like the flag at 1:30 in the first video. Clever.
I've not seen that before.
Ambrose Bierce offered two definitions of "politics" in his Devil's Dictionary, both of which seem appropriate for the G20:
1) A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles;
2) The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
Excellent! The DD is my personal favorite and never more true than today.
Looks like the "G-String" communiques are signalling more of the same:
Kick the can down the road.
Meanwhile, everyone is rioting.
"Hey, I've been out of work for 18 months, I've lost my house, and those Plutocrats are in there playing cards, drinking gin, and fornicating with escorts!"
"Let's go torch some police cars!"
Robo, I miss your babe pics.
Maybe post links to the .jpg's if others can't handle it.
All the Best,
Uncle
God Bless You RobotTrader. 3rd pic is charm.
Obama won't be influenced by anyone other than his cool smiling self. He will be back home promoting insane spending and insane policy in no time.
"his cool smiling self" - i like that! the other thing is he will always put the blame on someone else....its his character i think - jay leno said it to him on his show...he got really defensive....but its so true.
i think its attitude is he doesnt care...
So they met and pretended to govern and the anarchists met and pretended to revolt.
I can't respect either.
Add that car to the total cost
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/06/25/g20.g8.summits/?hpt=C1&fbid=l...
Man, I'm thinking when was the last time the US had a riot where some police cars were burned?
Tea parties? Yea, if you like to visit a lot of merchandise booths...
DR
"Man, I'm thinking when was the last time the US had a riot where some police cars were burned?"
After various sports events. In the US we riot for the stupid caca.
http://newsone.com/nation/associatedpress3/laker-fans-riot-after-nba-fin...
Laker Fans Riot After NBA Finals Victory
By Associated Press June 18, 2010 9:53 am
Fans celebrating the Lakers’ first championship in 12 years set two police cars on fire and destroyed two other vehicles, including a TV news van.
Businesses were vandalized, and fans threw rocks at baton-wielding lines of police. At least 12 injuries were reported.
We just might see them in Oakland after the Oscar Grant verdict is rendered.
Oh, Gawwwwd...!
$1bn? MORE police? "Canadians" will foot the bill?
Is any of this real money anyway? As time goes by and the bills and expenses of maintaining The Empire mount, less and less of it will be real money...
Fight the Empire. Buy gold.
You know what they're DEATHLY afraid of? When the middle classes, office workers, government employees, 'professionals', suburbanites safe in their (mortgaged) houses start getting hit with cutbacks in their standards of living and layoffs.
That's what we need. In the meantime, buy gold.
Is this the vicious violence that Pelosi was talking about?
Fucking lightweights... never trust feckless hippy scum to start a decent riot.
you obviously have never met a real hippy jack.
(just the ones you think you see on the teevee maybe?)
most real hippies i've ever known are straight up rednecks...flying the freak flag of course.
tip e. canoe
"most real hippies i've ever known are straight up rednecks...flying the freak flag of course."
All the real hippies sold out years ago. They wanted the beach house, the trophy wife, and sexual exploration.
My idiot BIL once said he taught another BIL the "Way of the Hippy". That meant selling sandwich at Dead shows,and hacked DISHNETWORK cards.
I'd like to cram some Tofu and sprouts down his belly banded throat so he could see how Hippies really live.
"All the real hippies sold out years ago."
they ain't the "real hippies" to which i'm referring to, g. guess it all depends on how you define "hippy". not necessarily all of them in mine eyes are vegetarian. nor all about peace & love either. in fact, methinks there's a healthy dose of hippydom right here on ZH.
let the freak flag fly baby.
it's a free country (for now).
My freak flag's got a rattlesnake on it, and I could give a shit which phony is trying to coopt it. There's time to settle that score later.
In my day a riot took down half a city. Burn it to the ground bitches, to the ground!
case in point ;)
tip e. canoe
I'm actually evil, Pure Evil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOErZuzZpS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLMjHy12eWo&feature=related
I am the god of hell fire, and I bring you
Fire, I'll take you to burn
Fire, I'll take you to learn
I'll see you burn
You fought hard and you saved and earned
But all of it's going to burn
And your mind, your tiny mind
You know you've really been so blind
Now 's your time, burn your mind
You're falling far too far behind
Oh no, oh no, oh no, you're gonna burn
Fire, to destroy all you've done
Fire, to end all you've become
I'll feel you burn
You've been living like a little girl
In the middle of your little world
And your mind, your tiny mind
You know you've really been so blind
Now 's your time, burn your mind
You're falling far too far behind
OOhhh
Fire, I'll take you to burn
Fire, I'll take you to learn
You're gonna burn, you're gonna burn
You're gonna burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn
Fire, I'll take you to burn
Fire, I'll take you to learn
Fire, I'll take you to bed
Arthur Brown? Damn, I had no idea anyone here was from that historic, geo/pol strata.
Huh, ZH stock just went up.
Here here, these dreadlock pricks burn a car with no cops in it and its blasted all over BBC24 news. It makes me barf.
Yes, we all remember your carnage in Watts. U da man!
Nice of you to stop by, Mayor Goode.
Canada has a Prime Minister? I want that job!
It's easy enough, you don't even have to get elected to the position. You just have to be leader of the party.
To the Elites: We're all monkeys to you, but we're monkeys with guns!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crass
bring it back
How about night-vision drones? You got them? No? Then get involved with local politics and work your way up "Red Dawn."
A billion dollars so a bunch of rich parasites can party for a week...The friggin olympics was only 554 million, brought 1000's to Canada, and the whole world was invited to the party. This is a pathetic waste of taxpayer money. Go rent a friggin boat or an island next time. EAT THE RICH!
Results?
(Reuters) - World leaders moved away on Saturday from lockstep policy pledges to secure economic recovery, leaving countries leeway to chart their own courses in taming government debt and clamping down on banks to prevent another financial crisis.
No consensus.
Thank God.
Indeed, but time is getting short I feel.
That means extra-choppy FX markets going forward, I think. There are gonna be some tasty trends to jump on.
Agreed. Money to be made (and lost) during fx raids and economic skirmishes. Better continue to swap gains for something tangible though, never know when the music ends.
Whew, what a relief: now you're back to talking some sense.
Well obviously there are tons of tea partiers there with that kind of violence because we all know the left is so peaceful and polite while the vicious tea party incites violence and assault on police.
.... why would you attack your own?
I guess my comment wasn't drenched in sarcasm quite enough.
These riots always look the same. The media coverage is clueless, reduced to the usual tropes about "a few bad seeds ruining it for everyone". The CTV is doing that again this time. I receive no message: not from the "anarchists" (perhaps they're fine with that), not from the "other protestors", and certainly not from the media, except by what is excluded.
So your average viewer sees this news item, shakes their head at the young kids who need to "get a job", and it's all been a waste. Nothing learned.
In passing a reporter on CTV used the word "anti-globalization". Oh, that's it! Thanks for the analysis.
I for one don't mind seeing Starbucks and Royal Bank get smashed, but find it very ironic and unfortunate that the "anti-globalizers" feel it necessary to indiscriminately smash the window of an independent small business as they make their way down the street.
I can't tell if these protestors and rioters are thinkers or not, and the media won't give the airwaves over to some thinker who might shed some light on the matter. (So, nuanced media reviews/relevant web sites would be appreciated, if they exist.)
What you are looking for is on the edit room floor.
And who do you think owns the Starbucks and the BP and the Burger King? Got bad news for you - those are all small business owners.
These people that are protesting are organized by radical leftists with communism on the brain. Most of these protesters had their way paid to get there and they've long been brainwashed probably by some professor or someone they met while in college. Oscar Wilde said ..."In America, the young are always ready to give those who are older than themselves the full benefits of their inexperience." These protesters are the very embodiment of that quote.
Good point re small business owners. It's about the "symbol" being attacked though, regardless of the ownership. Smashing "Joe's Donairs" has a low rhetorical return on investment, if you will, while the franchisees have chosen, it seems, to affiliate themselves with undifferentiated production and globalized homogeneity and the race to the bottom that arguably goes along with it. (I'm saying this from the hypothetical point of view of the smashers.)
The franchisees are trying to make a living. I doubt many of them care if it's BP or Exxon or Shell. Most of the time it's about an opportunity to buy an existing business - most of these were corporate owned, then divested.
Somebody obviously missed Michael Moore's foul-mouthed rant against Mom-and-Pop stores.
These bankers and rulers only hold paper; and the paper is only as good as the people will accept it. It’s coming to a point where the U.S. dollar will be no better than a Goldman Sachs contract. And, when that happens, the oligarchs won’t be able to make anything work; they’ll be out of business.
The protesters are protesting Louis IV all over again.
When there were promissory notes, and when there were silver certificates, and in the beginning when there were U.S. dollars, those were pieces of paper that represented something of physical value, in the vault or with someone’s solemn and dependable promise to deliver. Those pieces of paper representing things saleable are not related to these financial inventions and fiat currencies of the G-20s because these governments and the issuers of this paper don’t have to deliver the value. And when contracts and property and mergers and stock certificates and debts and loans to sovereign countries and a multitude of paper is produced where either real value represented or the contracts drawn up are in bad faith, then the people are not obligated to meet the terms of that fraudulent paper.
All that now separates the people from their property and the product of their labors and their rights is paper. The people must take back their governments and leave the bankers holding their worthless paper. These G-20 heads of government are not there representing poor people or the producing classes or savers and pensioners; they are there representing the ruling oligarchs who put them there—no better than prostitutes.
As the video The Secret of Oz points out: The yellow brick, the emerald city of Oz, even Dorothy’s silver slippers (changed to ruby slippers for the movie version) were powerful symbols of author L. Frank Baum’s belief that the people – not the big banks -- should control the quantity of a nation’s money.
The bottom line: No More National Debt. All our money is created out of debt. But nations don't have to borrow money from banks. Sovereign nations can create their own money -- debt free -- just as Abraham Lincoln did to win the Civil War. This is the secret that’s been hidden from us for over 100 years
For more on the history of the Wizard of Oz, IMO, The Web of Debt Blog about tells it all. Here’s an excerpt from Ellen Brown’s What’s the Wizard of Oz got to do with money reform?
“Frank Baum wrote his Wizard of Oz books at the turn of the century, when the money question was still a hotly debated issue. His Oz books were an allegory for our tyrannical money system. Example: In the 1890s, the private bankers did not yet own all the media sources. Therefore everyone was concerned with how money should be created. Should the government create it with full accountability to the people — or should private banks create it in secret? After the Jekyl Island meeting in 1910, the latter option won. World War I and the Great Depression sealed the private banks’ power. We have been enslaved ever since. (Those who think “enslaved” is an exaggeration do not understand the game.)
“William Jennings Bryan, the Populist candidate for President in 1896 and again in 1900, mounted the last serious challenge to the private bankers. In The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (1900) Frank Baum used the cowardly lion to represent William Jennings Bryan. In the 1900 book (not the 1939 movie) the Lion finally proves he is the King of Beasts by decapitating a giant spider that terrorizes everyone in the forest. The giant spider was the Morgan/Rockefeller banking cartel, which William Jennings Bryan opposed.
“The scarecrow represented farmers, who did not understand how the bankers were screwing them. The tin man represented industrial laborers who were desperate for lubricant (currency). Dorothy is the average American girl. The yellow brick road was the gold standard, which led to the Emerald City (Washington or, alternately, New York’s financial district). The wizard is the U.S. President, who in the book is terrified of the evil witches. The “wicked witch of the east” was the eastern financial establishment. The “wicked witch of the west” was the western bankers (at that time ensconced in Ohio). The “good witch of the north” was the people. The munchkins were the generally enslaved, who live in terror of the evil witches (the bankers)…
http://webofdebt.wordpress.com/2007/09/11/whats-the-wizard-of-oz-got-to-do-with-money-reform/
"All that now separates the people from their property and the product of their labors and their rights is paper. The people must take back their governments and leave the bankers holding their worthless paper."
True, true, of course...but the fact is that, deep down, most of the protests are about cutting entitlements and benefits. These are socialists, redistributionists, doing the protesting. They are the Roman citizens who suddenly discover that the bread is stale and the circus has been cancelled...
They have NO IDEA whatsoever about fractional reserve banking being the source of all the trouble to begin with. Or central banking. Or the lack of private money or a gold standard, private OR government...
They think that the wealth really does exist, paper or not. They think that governments, corporations and bakers have somehow 'stolen' real, tangible production out of the hands of the middle-class and lower-class masses.
Well, that wealth was never ever there. Living standards must fall, and austerity will stay no matter whether the governments in question are "people-friendly" or fascist G-20 style. Too much pulling demand forward, too much housing ATM, too much consumption and zero saving, too little productive investment and too-high salaries, benefits and pension costs.
These protestors are right to protest. But they should be demanding MORE, REAL and TRUE capitalism, not less!
They are protestors against the representatives of the ruling oligarchy and, at the moment, we're not there...but they are. Of course their reasons are immature and selfish but, boy, do they have the right target!! :)