Total Consumer Credit Increases Minimally, Revolving Credit Posts 27th Consecutive Monthly Decline

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Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:04 | 857466 Dr. Engali
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It would it if just once the market would close on the lows of the day. Might feel like a market.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:11 | 857485 goldmiddelfinger
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You mean like gold?

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 20:22 | 857895 66Sexy
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so we can assume the american 'quality of life' is declining as well?

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:03 | 857467 Rogerwilco
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Must be all that deleveraging the talk about on CNBC. Yes, the American consumer is mean, lean, and ready to spend in the recovery that's just around the corner.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:15 | 857497 dbach
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Yeah I wonder how much of the deleveraging is coming from the record amount of bankruptcies, in which case those consumers are not going to have access to credit for years. And lenders have already tried the ninja tactic so I wonder what their next trick to indebt people will be?

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:24 | 857528 sodbuster
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Not true- people who declare bankruptcy are flooded with new credit cards. After all, they have a clean slate- no debt. Such is the warped reasoning of the CC companies. I would think a home loan would be a problem, but nothing would surprise me.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 19:14 | 857807 MachoMan
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If you get bailed out for your losses, who cares?  Keep filling them full of credit...

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:10 | 857482 topcallingtroll
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This is consistent with slow steady progress for the next several years while the real economy builds a base and deleverages at the margin.  This consumer retrenchment and deleveraging should prevent serious inflation (greater than ten percent per year sustained for several years) while we eat the free lunch of debt monetization at China's expense.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:14 | 857494 goldmiddelfinger
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Exactly. It's intensely deflationary. All the Fed is doing in response is renting a stock market rally and blowing out oil and the softs.


Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:33 | 857557 centerline
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Don't forget about the EU as well.  The risk is that at some point something changes in that dynamic.  Here at home though, the states are broke.  The next deflationary leg sets in as munies fail left and right.  The only practical solution within the central banker toolkit will be even more printing in the name of bailouts for states.  This will, in short order, accelerate the monetization process and put even greater pressure on the world dynamic

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 18:48 | 857756 Common_Cents22
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But the Bernank said the fed is limited in bailing out states and municipalit ies!   Why would he bail them out anyway?  Bailing out the big banks has a big payoff.   Letting state and local go bust may have some good asset sscavenger opportunities

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:11 | 857487 RobotTrader
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Bears pretty much blew it again today.

They have had multiple chances and reasons to slam this thing.

Look how the banks charged back after the intraday implosion.

I dissed Wanger today about AAPL, but it made yet another new lifetime, world record high.

Tough to fight this tape.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:16 | 857504 goldmiddelfinger
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Only a layman uses terms like "lifetime world record" in describing a stock price.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 18:29 | 857707 SwingForce
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I see no better descriptions, or interest, from anybody....

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:37 | 857562 Hephasteus
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What you call a 2000 dollar an hour hooker with only the fed you and harry wanger a a client?

The stock market.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:16 | 857499 Ajaxromeo
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He's mean - he's got a gun - he's lean - he is starving - and the real problem is that he is right around the corner.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:23 | 857526 Ajaxromeo
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He's lean (starving) mean (he hates you and he has a gun) and is just around the corner (waiting to ambush).

Like Kudlow says; you gotta love free market capitalism.


Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:22 | 857529 Misean
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Well, see with more people using them nifty food credit card thingies that magically recharge without writting a check or getting a bill, they don't need to use the other ones so much.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 18:57 | 857732 SwingForce
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Hey, funny thing, you can't buy anything prepared or "Hot", you gotta buy raw chicken and cook it! Jeez, cook for themselves? No MacDonalds Fried Nuggets? No, Vegetables, Fruits, Milk, raw meat, eggs, butter, pasta, mac&cheese, salad dressings, peanut butter & jelly, bread, No Cigs or Beer.

This is not a gourmet dinner folks, 1 adult gets $200/mo. in Florida that's $6.50/day for breakfast, lunch, & dinner (for the cost of 2 beers at Happy Hour at Outback).

Believe me, nobody's buying stock with this "money".


Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:23 | 857534 6 String
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Yeah, uh-huh. And didn't Bernake say he see's signs of a "self-sustaining recovery."

I'll call you on your bluff Mr. Fed and Congress too. How will the "self-sustaining recovery" work out if the debt ceiling is not raised, the fed stops all QE programs, and the markets no longer get their cocaine.

Come on, show me that hand, boys? Let's see it?

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:54 | 857606 hambone
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It is self sustaining - just understand that QE and deficit spending has no end and you understand why he sez it's self sustaining.  Politico's will never cut off the people because they understand the people with cut the politicos off at the next election.  Politicos get no credit for avoiding a bad outcome, only praised for "fixing" what we all allowed to take place and could have so easily avoided.

No, we go all the way now - we are now going 90mph and we're going to get the car up to 150mph before we go over the cliff!


Fri, 01/07/2011 - 18:54 | 857764 Common_Cents22
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yep, we are now in the perfect storm with no checks and balances.   Dependents and elite politicos each dependent on each other until it all goes boom.   It all works and accelerates until it doesn't.   When you hit 10,000 RPM the engine will stop suddenly or if you are going 150mph the wall still stops you pretty quickly and you didn't even see it coming.


Just like the mortgage bomb, there were no checks and balances.  All dependent on each other from investors, RE agents, mortgage originators, mortgage companies, wall street, buyers of securitized crap.  It all worked until it didn't.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 19:13 | 857803 Logans_Run
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Perhaps when the benbernank talks of "self-sustaining recovery" in public he is only referring to having had sex with his wife the prior night without the aid of viagra?

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 17:49 | 857572 hambone
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Big O gave the buy signal of a lifetime in March of '09 and now I'm just waiting for our stockpicker-in-chief to give the go short speech (I'm poised and ready). 

But then again maybe he'll suggest to go lonnnnnnggggggeeeerrrrrr.  Just hope he comes out with an investment letter?  

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 18:31 | 857717 monopoly
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This is going to go on for a while, market up, debt up, shorts killed. What recovery. Good jobs are not part  of the equation. Another trillion here, another trillion there. Do not believe this country is on a self sustaining path. It is all smoke and mirrors and will be covered up as long as possible.

This time next year 15 trillion in debt. And of course, it does not matter till it does. Deflation, I think not. What a broken record this is. But I do not short this market and have not for months.

And if this is the best they can do to knock down gold and silver, well, we shall see.


Fri, 01/07/2011 - 19:02 | 857775 SwingForce
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Wow, a fuckin' Trillion? My mortgage (to forgive) is 0.00000015% and I will go get a job at Burger King to survive. Give me a fucking break. These people are all assholes.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 19:08 | 857784 hambone
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At our current pace and based on most recent tax bill, we could pass $15T by end of June or more likely by end of July or August.  Just figure a burn rate around $140 to $150b a month and little change for '12 unless tax revenue really picks up.

You can more or less figure on $17T by '12 year end (that's based on CBO's baseline plus their assesment of the tax changes implemented).  If Repubs go crazy and cut spending by $100b a year, debt would only be $16.8b come 2012 year end...phewww.

Something bout lipstick on a pig or on a dip stick...something like that.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 19:46 | 857844 Hephasteus
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To what end? To nothing P/E. To 0 percent interest. To global counterfeiting. To barter to people using silver as currency.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 20:18 | 857878 hambone
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That's the real question, isn't what end??? 

Why would our government propogate this?  Why would our gov tell us mistruths and lies?  Are they protecting us?  Abusing us?  Do they know who is pulling the strings or are we just careening down the rabbit hole?

Or is it just the most recent (but most global) heinous confluence of greed, empire over reach, failed democracy, failed education...FAILURE of the people by the people on the people!!! 

Maybe we just delegated our rights as citizens to politicians and thought they'd take care of everything...and boy have they.  We forgot we had to fight to maintain our rights, our freedom, our competitiveness, our quintisential AMERICAN character.  Who the fuck are we now that we are so afraid of facing what we've done...allowed done to us...done to others??? 

Are we so incapable of standing up, admitting what is broke, and fixing it!!!

No doubt the current system cannot be's time has come and was a pre and post industrial system.  We are way beyond that now and need to build a structure and system around a post industrial world where neither manufacturing or agriculture will be jobs drivers.  We need to decide how many of us really do need to work given the technological and automation we've created.  We need to focus on fewer and better raised children with more parental oversight...less focus on paying off debts that can never be paid.  If 1.5% now create all raw food for America, it's time we rethink this whole god damn thing - maybe that's called a revolution but it's just a paradigm shift and a political (or other) willingness to get there.  Both parents shouldn't be working...somebody should raise the children.  The state shouldn't create inflation and continually raise taxes just to pay interest.  It's time for the big, adult conversation. 

How much do we owe and to who and how much will they get?  Who will get less, who will lose some of what they fraudelently got?

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 20:24 | 857899 Hephasteus
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There are two tools of leadership available to them under the system. Reward is screwed up as we are in the promises weren't kept stage. That leaves lies and force. They'll continue lying to us until something sticks while simultaneously bringing in force to clamp down on the whoever won't pussy out and go with the new lie deal or the next big lie deal.

The situation is rife with inadequacies of trust. And the biggest problem with force is the mobility factor. People won't try to flee to army guys camped around a highway killing everybody that goes down the road. They were probably expecting resistance to already start waining. But it keeps growing.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 20:47 | 857926 hambone
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We are certainly in the mistruth, twisted details, and lies stage.  I still haven't bought into the force stage but that's likely just the optimist in me...I hope my naivete is rewarded with a peaceful resolution or transition.  I don't think our forefathers would give us very good odds at this point and would likely promote the "refreshing" of democracy the hard way.

But it's no good to take out todays oligarchs, todays kings, aristocracy if we only plan to replace them with a new generation of the like!  Everybody on ZH is so focused on trying to find the asset that will have value once we cross over to the new game.  Gold or PM's or barter or cash or stocks to the moon or or or. 

Instead we need a vision of a more "perfecter" nation...maybe once again in smaller more accountable strong state govs w/ a new monetary system, energy, etc. focused on utilizing what is local and national instead of this ludicrous global game we are all playing to the bottom.  We need to set the equitable state and national laws and enforce them rather than let globally mobile corporatists take our business and give less and less in return.

What ZH readers needs is a god damn vision - that's where we need to start.  An idea we want to move toward.  Not just what's wrong...that's too easy.  But what is RIGHT...a new vision that can be shared and people can aspire to achieve.  Rather than simply destruction of the current system we have to offer an architecture that is more desirable for the many.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 22:01 | 858019 Hephasteus
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And I do not care. I didn't want to see 2011. I kind of wanted to see 2010. But my faith was so completely annialated I had everything I needed. A working philosophy the complete absence of any manipulative handles on my psyche.

I respond correcly to all inputs. I've had dreams where my Uncle was going to take me on airboat ride to find some treasure in the swamp. He wasn't my uncle he was fuck face. You call him loki. I call him the CEO of this psychotic fuck resort. No matter what sort of energy they swamped me with on that onem I was able to maintain a rock solid wall of disbelief and i'm screwing with you as much as you are screwing with me.

I've had dreams where I was running really fast and not getting tired. This is a dream of massive support. I was able to turn that into a pure hatred and "stay away" field in under 3 minutes.

And my last dream a cop was screwing with me and pulled me over I kept a hammer in the passenger seat and my decision was to grab the hammer and fight to the death.

So they've successfully probed exactly what they are dealing with and know they have nothing to grab on to. They'll be forced to stick me with the other assholes who will go full tilt bezerker beat down if any of these assholes even thinks about coming by for a visit.

I'm going to yank all my guides teeth out with pliars and stuff some of them full of every poison known to man. I've met every asshole in charge of the school and most of them are all conspiring against you all. Because nothing that has been revealed as occuring to fix this place has occured since 2007. It's all been make believe pretend bullcrap.

I train myself towards increasing psychosis and I will stay no threat to ordinary people. But vehemetly violent and psychotic towards all rich and powerful and anybody who protects them. I do not care about numbers or gang sizes. My message is fuck you, fuck your authority, fuck your ancestors fuck your children, fuck everything you've ever been and everything you'll ever be. And I will repeat that message to every member of the gang like a broken record. They believe they have transformed me into one of them and that I will turn on you all. They are wrong. If they somehow manage to force me back here. I'll join the army and on day 2 kill my drill sargeant and every one of my basic training buddies and do as good a job as I can of burning the entire fucking fort down. They'll never trust me again. And I'll never trust them again. There's nothing to do here but kill and die. Or probe the enemy. So you won't likely see me here again. As any invitations to come here and grow and change will be met with violent refusal. Games over. And you could say how arrogant. Nobodies going to miss you, good quit. But this game is ponzi too and it's running out of suckers. It's a really bad time to be an ascended master claiming you know what the fuck you are doing.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 23:21 | 858130 hambone
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I read that sober and I'm still tripping...

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 12:43 | 858714 velobabe
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well, your words sure have balls, got to applied some action in a visual for me. i saw my own visual, guess that is pretty powerful read† im just partly sober.

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 18:33 | 857721 Rainman
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Which credit bucket holds the 401-k borrowings ( the supposed- to-be- retirement ATM )....??

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 19:09 | 857799 hambone
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you mean that old bucket with all the holes in it???

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 20:50 | 857942 lynnybee
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I'm deliberately " not spending " .    & I'm deliberately using cash if I have to spend.   The only cash I spend is on foodstuffs or silver or gold .   

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 03:00 | 858351 Hephasteus
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You are doing wonderfully lynnybee. Every bit of rebellion helps.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 12:22 | 858686 Kali
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To quote the very wise Catbutthead, "I ain't buyin nuttin!"

Fri, 01/07/2011 - 21:49 | 858010 Trimmed Hedge
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At 0% APR for 12-18 months, one would be a fool not to rack up some credit cards these days in order to play the float.


Of course, only those with excellent credit need apply....

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 00:57 | 858253 Saxxon
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Yes Trimmed hedge but there is that 4% service charge they tack onto it

. . . so for me at least it is not free money and I have an 825 FICO.  Are you getting a real zero interest cash advance?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 01:19 | 858270 Wackzingo
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If you get a PayPal Premier account which lets you accept credit cards as payment at 1.9-2.5% you can make a payment to yourself and the credit card see it simply as a payment to some PayPal customer.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 09:48 | 858480 Trimmed Hedge
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There's a transfer fee of 3%, but I don't use that feature. Nor do I use cash advance.

0% APR on all new purchases for 12-18 months (I have 18) adds up quickly when you use your credit card for everything and only have to pay the monthly minimum during that time.

One could play it safe with the float and grab a guaranteed 1.3% from a "high"-yield savings account -- or one could pick up any other sort of asset which could appreciate and/or pay a dividend better than 1.3%. One could also throw it in a retirement account and reap the tax-deferment come tax time.

Of course, not to mention that some reward credit cards give cash back anywhere from 1% to 5%.


All depends on how you want to play it, but free leverage is free leverage. Just getting my tiny trickle-down piece from the Fed... would be a fool not to.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 02:33 | 858342 digalert
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We need a new "cash 4 clunker" program...

How about cash 4 clunker HDTV's?

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