Trade Deficit Surges, Hits $50.2 Billion, On Expectations Of $44.1 Billion, Major Downward Revisions To Q2 GDP Coming

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Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:42 | 1447264 Cassandra Syndrome
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And the Dow rallies...

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:45 | 1447272 101 years and c...
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the dow isnt rallying.  the EUR is rallying.  the dow is just hitching a ride.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:51 | 1447285 Cognitive Dissonance
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At this point all markets foreign and domestic are just cheap whores willing to take anything in trade.

Oops, was that my out-loud voice?

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:13 | 1447356 Harlequin001
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It's a bit of a downer when the gold price is higher than the Baltic Dry...

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:16 | 1447363 Sudden Debt
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It must have been all Greek for them...

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:43 | 1447265 the not so migh...
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I-PADS saved us!!!!!!

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:43 | 1447267 Cognitive Dissonance
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That's gonna hurt the cheerleaders and other assorted enablers. It's not the fall that kills you, but the sudden stop.


Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:43 | 1447269 Global Hunter
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equity futures liked it.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:49 | 1447284 trampstamp
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If you trade using fibs, it wouldn't have mattered. futures will hit 1317 this morning on ES... this is what happens after a pullback to the 6.18 almost to the tick ... then you'll see a bounce to the 3.82, which btw is around 1317. After that we'll have to see if they retest the highs or go lower. The futures are heavily traded using fibs regardless of news.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 11:03 | 1447732 ElvisDog
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Question for you (semi-serious) - if Fibonaci trading is a reliable investment strategy, then why aren't you and the other Fibonaci traders richer than Warren Buffet?

It seems that just last week technical analysis completely failed. The S&P was below a key moving average. The technical traders were expecting a test of the moving average and then a sharp leg down. Except it didn't happen. The S&P punched back through the moving average to the upside. If you had traded expecting a sharp leg down based on technical analysis you lost your ass.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:02 | 1447317 SheepDog-One
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Equity futures are full retard....never trade on full retard.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:45 | 1447273 Archimedes
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I think that FX guy (John Taylor) might be on to something.."By Q1 2012 we are going to be in a recession damn it!

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:45 | 1447274 King_of_simpletons
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Recession 2012.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:15 | 1447364 Harlequin001
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Hang on, we haven't finished with 2011 yet...

2012 is a Depression...

2013, outright fail.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:18 | 1447380 Incubus
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how does this work?


failpression, bitchez


meh... /shrug

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:45 | 1447275 dumptakn
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I hear a big dump coming, honkies!

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:06 | 1447330 augie
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you mean bigger than a 3700 to 1 sell to buy ratio? Yikes, I should buy some more ammo. 

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:40 | 1447470 Silver Dreamer
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Is there ever a point when you have enough?

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:46 | 1447489 DosZap
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Unlessyou have somewhere to cache it, just purchase enough to have on hand for the roving mobs.

When the .gubs come for it,you won't need any, if you do, your dead.

Door#1, or #2, which comes first.

$64k money is on #2.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 10:35 | 1447612 Rodent Freikorps
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Distributed caches. Just use a vacuum sealer and bury a few.

PVC pipe makes a good storage container also.

Just leave one easy to find cache.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 11:12 | 1447772 ElvisDog
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How long do you plan on living in your survival bunker? If the Mad Max world you envision does come to pass, you wouldn't be able to leave it because someone with a hunting rifle would shoot you, right? Have you calculated how long your food, ammo, water would last? And what do you do about sanitation? Are you just going to poop in a garbage can? That sounds lovely. Or is your survival bunker hooked up to the sewer system? Have you figured the chances of you going insane living in paranoid isolation over long periods of time?

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 11:22 | 1447805 mayhem_korner
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RF is savvy enough not to answer your checklist of questions.  But for reference, check out some of the hard core types here...

Umbrellas are useful before it rains, ED.


Tue, 07/12/2011 - 12:36 | 1448058 Freddie
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Have you figured the chances of you going insane living in paranoid isolation over long periods of time?

Sure beats watching TV which is all brainwashing of the sheep by the elites.


Tue, 07/12/2011 - 12:50 | 1448101 Rodent Freikorps
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I have enough dead tree books to last a lifetime.

Add in hunting, fishing, planting and harvesting, and I really don't think I'll be all that bored.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:11 | 1447344 snowball777
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Grab on with both's gonna be a growler!

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:46 | 1447277 BeerWhisperer
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Ouch... That's going to leave a mark.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:48 | 1447280 slaughterer
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Futures declined mildy on bad trade deficit, and now are up siginficantly.    It must be the Berlusconi reassurances coming through at about the same time...

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:04 | 1447323 SheepDog-One
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Futures 'up significantly' at -14 after yesterday -180? Im not so impressed with the retard futures myself, what is it 2005 all over again?

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:48 | 1447281 hedgeless_horseman
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Winning the future(s).

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:50 | 1447282 GeneMarchbanks
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There's a theme emerging here. Now let's see how the rest of today goes. Is that the smell of a Treasury auction burning? Or is it ES?

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:49 | 1447283 lizzy36
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Recession is good for the market now....right?

I haven't been this bullish since April of 2008.

Rally on!!!!

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:53 | 1447292 Cognitive Dissonance
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The new worker monkey a la Linda Green. Where's Banzai7 when you need him?

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:28 | 1447424 I Got Worms
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^^Looks like a 2010 law school grad.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:30 | 1447434 Cognitive Dissonance
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I wonder if he can pay back his student loans with three day old bread?

Just askin' 

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 10:09 | 1447531 MachoMan
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No, but he can go jack off at a nfp or government position and probably get them forgiven (on top of a mediocre salary, but probably no less than he would otherwise get starting out at a private firm)... of course, if he can't pay, then he can probably get a forebearance...  and by the time he gets a job that will allow him to repay them, the market will have cleared and there will be no reason for the government to hold his feet to the fire (since it won't be around in the same form and shape and will probably have a new outlook on the world).


Tue, 07/12/2011 - 12:01 | 1447940 Cognitive Dissonance
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Are you jealous or angry?

Or both?

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 19:12 | 1449823 MachoMan
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I'm not angry with those who utilize the system to their pecuniary advantage...  I'm angry with those who change and grow the system to their pecuniary advantage...  and, no, I'm not jealous...  I'll take my position over needing a forebearance or having to waste my time at an nfp or government employer any day.  If my situation was different, I'd hit them up for a job, just the same...  but, thankfully, it's not.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:51 | 1447288 Sudden Debt
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What was the GDP of the US again?

It must be hard these day to calculate a new debt ceiling compaired to GDP these days...


Tue, 07/12/2011 - 10:01 | 1447546 jerry_theking_lawler
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ah ha SD,


therein lies the rub.....the US GDP number.

its all been a lie and all of the debt has been built on this number. therefore, from deductive reasoning, all the debt has been built on a lie.

the GDP calc is/has always been one of the main problems.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:52 | 1447290 King Dong
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Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:52 | 1447291 Bohemian Clubber
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Everything is safe again now, don't worry sweetheart you can get back in the water

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:17 | 1447376 Harlequin001
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but not near Japan...

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:54 | 1447294 Dick Darlington
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And surprise surprise, equities go nuts. Recessions are bullish! What a joke...

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:57 | 1447303 Cassandra Syndrome
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Anytime now when apocalyptic movies are on such as "Deep Impact", "Armageddon", "28 Days Later", "Mad Max", "Knowing" etc, I sit there watching them thinking, I bet you the Dow was still rallying in those scenarios...

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:54 | 1447298 doomandbloom
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smooth transition of power from US to China...

relax...or try to

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:55 | 1447302 BeerWhisperer
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It's the end of the world as we know it. It's the end of the world as we know it. And I feel fine.......

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:58 | 1447304 Bartanist
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US and Western product companies are in a death spiral. Because of bank and government overhead (and to a lesser extent labor costs) they can no longer afford to manufacture in the US and they can no longer commit infrastructure building assets in the Western World.

Western companies have become renters of manufacturing instead of owners... The Chinese and other Asian companies are the landlords and simply rent manufacturing (and we will see more and more R&D, financing and Engineering rented as well) just as poor people who cannot afford a down payment on a house rent from a landlord, who accumulates the profit as well as builds equity.

As the situation continues and Western companies borrow more and more to support the drain of money to elitist executives and to China/Asia the Western/US companies will slide down the slope of becoming hollow shells until one day people wake up and discover that they are better off buying from the source directly and forgetting about Intel, Apple, GM, GE and other companies that sold out the US first by choice for greed and then as a means to maintain executive (banker and politician) lifestyle at the expense of everyone else.

Swirley anyone?

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:13 | 1447353 WoodMizer
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The arguement of late seems to be between those who predict financial armageddon in the near-term, and those who see it coming in the mid-term.

I am new to the site and I don't want to seem jaded, but older threads have predicted the collapse before.

With complete sincerity and interest, I would like to ask the ZH community what the odds are of collapse by October 1st?

Collapse defined as 70% to 80% loss on equities.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:18 | 1447379 SheepDog-One
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The 'collapse' already happened a few years ago, just been papered over with trillions printed out of thin air while illusionists keep up their daily act.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:23 | 1447398 WoodMizer
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Follow up question:

Do you think the surge in oil prices caused the collapse of 2008, or was it a sign of fractional banking leverage?

Put more simply was peak oil the tipping point?

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