UBS Explains What Happens If The US Is Downgraded Without A Default

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Thu, 07/21/2011 - 10:58 | 1477121 wsmith
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I'm just not buying any type of U.S. downgrade.

We now live on a global plantation.  And the United States is the task-master.

The Bernank and Little Timmy have a lot of power.  They are gonna keep the balls in the air for a long long time.

But what the fuck do I know?

Anyway, so long.

And God bless all you Marxist cocksuckers. 

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:07 | 1477154 Spastica Rex
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Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:46 | 1477314 augie
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Does Guinness still come in packs of six? 

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 12:36 | 1477487 Buckaroo Banzai
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Tyler, can we please stop referring to the failure of raising the debt ceiling as a "default".

Default means failing to pay the interest on your debt. The Feds collect WAY more than enough in taxes to pay the interest on our currently outstanding debt.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 20:43 | 1479286 StychoKiller
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Dammit Buckaroo, I'm a Doctor, NOT an Economist!

Decepticrats:  "There's income to re-distribute, we got NO time for spending cuts until AFTER the Economy improves!"

Republicons:  "There's Corporations hanging on by a thread, they need their welfare checks!  We got no time for tax increases until AFTER the Economy improves!"

SS Recipient:  "The Govt OWES me my money!"

Welfare Recipient:  "Obamatron will pay my mortgage and put gas in my car!"

General (Mayhem):  "Hey, soldiers don't fight for free!  Bullets cost dinero!"

CIA:  "Cut spending AFTER the Afghan opium crop is harvested!"

Someone really should mention that the biscuit wheels are coming off the gravy train!

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:22 | 1477218 trav7777
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if a downgrade occurred, would this not dislocate the entire paper pyramid equating USTs with the AAA paper mandated for certain swaps?

I mean, wouldn't this trigger collateral calls all across every swap and repo spectra?  Would the Fed even be able to hold them or accept them as collateral at the window?

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:33 | 1477273 Cdad
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Yes...I mean no...because this would only be a "soft downgrade" of US paper.

In any event, you are starting to see the answer on the 30 year, which was so obviously "jiggered" two days ago in order to dislocate traders and sew confusion.

Expect more talk about what will happen when the downgrade comes as the market attempts to "soften" the impact of the event by messaging expectations...because the downgrade is coming.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 13:09 | 1477678 ElvisDog
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I think a downgrade or default or whatever you want to call it would simply be ignored by TPTB. They would carry on business as usual.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:45 | 1477310 Ripped Chunk
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"But what the fuck do I know?"


Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:01 | 1477132 Farcical Aquati...
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Nothing will happen.  Absolutely nothing.  We live in a completely-controlled global "bio-dome".  It's 1984.  Atlas has shrugged.  And the largest global power is run by the Manchurian Candidate.  I never thought I would live to see the day where 80's Schwarzenegger films (Running Man, Total Recall) seemed plausible in my own lifetime.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:09 | 1477166 Spastica Rex
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It's all Aldous Huxley to me.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:13 | 1477181 Spastica Rex
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Oh, I didn't notice it before, but from your picture you look like you're being repressed.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:30 | 1477261 Ripped Chunk
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Bloody peasant

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 13:37 | 1477797 Farcical Aquati...
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"Come and see the violence inherent in the system!"

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:01 | 1477134 jkruffin
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Just a matter of time before the bond, gold, and silver people figure out this ECB scam and the US scam, and send it all higher.  No way this euphoria on Wall Street is going to last.  It amazes me every day that goes by they keep getting away with it.  I guess it works, until it doesn't.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 20:50 | 1479302 StychoKiller
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From Mish's Global Economy:

Merkel, who calls the single currency a “work of peace” and part of Europe’s “uniting idea,” is the key holdout on so- called euro bonds.

“Once they look into the abyss of a major speculative attack on Italy,” Merkel will have to embrace euro bonds, Peter Bofinger, a member of the chancellor’s Council of Economic Advisers, said in a telephone interview. “That would be the turning point. There needs to be a joint guarantee for all outstanding debt.”

Political Union

France sees little room for a common bond without more integration of Europe’s fiscal and budgetary regimes, a French official said. German Deputy Foreign Minister Werner Hoyer said it will require a closer “political union.”


In other wordz:  "We're gonna hold the sword of Damacles over yer headz UNTIL we get a One-Europe Govt™ installed!


Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:01 | 1477136 Dr. Engali
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Indeed, even Congress recognizes the risk of default and appears to have a fallback strategy to allow the President to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a default in the event a broader deal fails to materialize.


 I fail to see why congress wants to hand this guy more power. Is there anybody out there who is addressing the fact that this isn't even constitutional? Congress has the power of the purse strings. Not the administration. 

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:26 | 1477241 cosmictrainwreck
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can't get a fukin' DECISION by clusterfuck of 535 individuals, ergo defer to a single decision-maker. credit the pussies for their pragmatism

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:29 | 1477254 Dr. Engali
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So granting him dictatorial powers is the answer. And you cheer that?  I feel sorry for you.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 12:23 | 1477445 cosmictrainwreck
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forgot the /sarc... and tongue-in-cheek - but still half-serious. fuck you and yer "feel sorry for". this pathetic on-shot situation is soooooo NOT fucking important in context of all the other bullshit swirling around. You worried about "dictatorial powers"? All he has do is sign Exec Order and send yer sorry ass to FEMA camp - that is if DHS hasn't already nailed you for violation of the Fucking Patiotica Americana Act and put  you in jail - sans habeus corpus.

Have a nice day 

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:01 | 1477138 Freewheelin Franklin
Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:06 | 1477143 Re-Discovery
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Geitner to the market:

No AAA?  No problem.  Here, take my AA.  I mean how many A's does anybody really need.  I myself was a C student, and look where I am now.  Besides, A's are boring.  

I mean there are 25 more letters in the alphabet and we have pluses and minuses.  Brown University doen't even give grades anymore.  Grades are so 'Gold Standard'.  Not cool.

We're good for it . . . trust me.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 12:31 | 1477473 Joe Sixpack
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You can use one of my A's. Remember, when I worked at the IMF, I did not pay A penny in taxes. There AA for the US, plus my A, and you get AA+A=AAA ? Turbo Timmy math explained.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:04 | 1477147 DougM
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S&P, Moody's and Fitch will not downgrade the US.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 13:39 | 1477803 Farcical Aquati...
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Correct.  First one to do so results in many employees being in plane crashes, drowning in hot tubs, and getting run over by cars with bad brakes.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:07 | 1477156 Robslob
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Roobslob Explains What Happens If The US Is Downgraded Without A Default


Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:35 | 1477281 SheepDog-One
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In what?

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:59 | 1477353 Bohemian Clubber
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it d be more realistic explaining What Happens If The US Defaults Without A Downgrade

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:08 | 1477161 Shocker
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So we win either way?

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:11 | 1477175 Ahmeexnal
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Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:18 | 1477195 Peter K
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At least UBS is still reality based. That's a plus.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:21 | 1477216 Johnny Lawrence
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UBS is in no way reality-based, believe me.  The cheerleading reports that come out of this firm are unbelievable.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:37 | 1477287 Thisson
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At least UBS is still reality based biased. That's a plus.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:42 | 1477298 Ripped Chunk
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You are joking right?

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:24 | 1477231 White.Star.Line
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As country after country is "downgraded",with their economies further ravished and their citizens impoverished, the people will look to their saviour, the central bank, for guidance and direction

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:26 | 1477239 Subprime JD
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The problem is that there are a few trillion in money market related rating triggers which would grind to a halt the repurchase of paper of a sovereign that no longer has the AAA mark, resulting in our opinion in a dramatic crunch in short-term liquidity, and set the stage for a Lehman-like monetary system paralysis

Money market funds will not dump formerly rated AAA treasuries due to a downgrade to AA. There is simply no other place to put all these funds. Now if there was a downgrade to BBB or lower than that is a different story.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:56 | 1477340 Insiderman
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Negotiable CDs maturing near-term might make an interesting substitute.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:27 | 1477242 Pure Evil
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S&P, Moody's and Fitch have years of experience with polishing turds, after all they knew how to put lipstick on those subprime mortgage pigs, didn't they?

Not to say the US rating turd needs any polishing, but for some reason it sure do stink around here.

Must be my stanky fingers.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 12:16 | 1477420 Freewheelin Franklin
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Got a little of the ol' stink finger, huh? Better than stink foot.



Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:33 | 1477275 Yardfarmer
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UBS?!kind of like the fox checking up on the old henhouse.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:38 | 1477289 SheepDog-One
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Default? Downgrades? To the US dollar which only has any value because its traded for oil? Ive seen worse its nothing but a flesh wound!

But your arms and legs are off!

Bah! Ive had worse!


Thu, 07/21/2011 - 11:43 | 1477302 FederalReserveB...
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According to Gottfried Leibniz, we live in the best of all possible worlds. We are perfect monads. Our collective picaresque experience will result in the same conclusion Voltaire's  Candide came to after his collective life experiences, that we need to cultivate our gardens. There is about to be an explosion of picaresque life experiences for EVERYONE. may want to begin "cultivating your gardens" respectively.

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Thu, 07/21/2011 - 17:47 | 1478832 AchtungAffen
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