UK Inflation Plunges As Retail Sales Drop By Most On Record

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Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:22 | 1160907 SloaneSquare
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Well I suspect the UK CPI number was leaked. I hear there's going to be an investigation and I hope a number of people are feeling the heat.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:26 | 1160916 Boilermaker
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Uhhhh, yea, right.  Accountability for all.  Hang on to that dream, grasshopper.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:32 | 1160931 Ferg .
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Yes I've been hearing the same thing and apparently the ONS are currently investigating the matter .



Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:54 | 1160986 Popo
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I just felt an enormous disturbance in the force.   As if millions of goldbugs cried out in terror.   And then there was silence.

I feel deflation has happened.



Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:21 | 1160912 EscapeKey
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The weighting of food as part of the CPI is around 10%. Assuming all other weights are static for a minute (which they're not, of course), for the CPI to drop 0.4%, this must mean food prices dropped by 4%, which is absolute bullshit.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:24 | 1160915 Raymond K Hassel
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Ipads are cheaper, who cares about food? 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:35 | 1160939 pendragon
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what nonsense. why wuld you assume everything else is flat if retail sales are collapsing?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:38 | 1160947 overmedicatedun...
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higher taxes is what is called for to stimulate buying..

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:41 | 1160956 pendragon
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gotta fill those holes that gordon brown left somehow

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:40 | 1161090 SheepDog-One
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How many holes DOES it take to fill the Albert Hall?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:16 | 1161874 augie
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that sounds like a british boarding school joke. Albert must have been very popular.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:41 | 1160961 EscapeKey
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Because, as the report states, some figures increased, some decreased, and food is specifically highlighted an item which decreased.

Besides, lower retail sales don't contribute to lower inflation, unless the prices actually drop. Rack up another reason why the Austrians' definition of inflation makes so much more sense.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:49 | 1160973 pendragon
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so if retailers don't sell anything they keep their prices static or raise them? i don't think you live in the real world

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:57 | 1160983 EscapeKey
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Was grocers particularly highlighted in the report, with regards to contributing negatively to the overall inflation pressure, yes or no?

Was retail otherwise highlighted as having had a positive contribution to inflation, yes or no?

Anyway, according to your own statement, Mervyn King is the "best central banker in the world", which sort of establishes the world you live in.

Oh, here you are. It would assume my original statement wasn't a million miles off. I'm still to see this alleged 4.7% drop in the price of fruit.

The drop in CPI was driven by food and non-alcoholic beverages, the ONS said, “where prices overall fell by 1.4pc between February and March this year”. “Prices have fallen this year due to sales at several supermarket chains,” it added.

The biggest falls were in fruit, where prices fell by 4.7pc; bread and cereals, with a 2.6pc fall; and smaller declines in meat, milk, vegetables, sugar, coffee, tea and cocoa.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:02 | 1160998 pendragon
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i don't know where you do your shopping but my grocery bills haven't really gone up.... as i said it was not a high bar. maybe you would prefer the trichet regime and the ship of fools

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:02 | 1161005 pendragon
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you are answering your own question. they give you the breakdown and it is explicit.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:23 | 1161664 THE DORK OF CORK
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Try to seperate Goverment money from credit money - I know its hard given what the CBs have done.

If treasuries / CBs increase the size of their balance sheet to cover the losses withen the private term and bond accounts they will devalue the money as the intrinsic value of the money is directly linked to this small sector of the overall monetory system.

They need deposits built up during the credit boom starting in the early 80s to flow into Gold and recapitalise their balance sheets.

That credit money  essentially shadows the housing sector - when the houses reach their true value the housing mortgage assets will not match banks  liabilties on deposit.

Once there is no default on term deposits this money will flow into Gold.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:24 | 1160914 Boilermaker
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If only there were 4 nuclear reactors melting down to pull them out of this for the 'reconstruction' benefits.


Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:26 | 1160918 AUD
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A downside inflation surprise!

Well fuck me.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:26 | 1160922 Boilermaker
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Pull my finger....SURPRISE!

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:30 | 1160928 AUD
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Ahh..... so that's where these inflation figures come from. It all makes so much sense to me now.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:29 | 1160926 TaxSlave
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Uh, this does not sound like a decrease in inflation.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:33 | 1160927 ivars
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UK heading for recession already this year so prices just cant raise anymore. As will Japan. How many more needed to help the USA to get there?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:44 | 1161106 SheepDog-One
SheepDog-One's picture high can you raise prices on the bankrupt and unemployed?? Not very far before people simply cant buy anything. Also in the US fuel price hikes are being met by lower demand as prices rise. I know they want higher fuel, cant raise prices into declining demand though. Thats 'Fo Reelz' economic model.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:34 | 1160934 max2205
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One month does not negate a trend. I think they should have Raised rates more. We should be raising rates or old people will starve. Bankers have had 2 full years living off the spread. Time to end that

BTW Uk #s are so manipulated I don't know why you believe them

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:43 | 1160967 pendragon
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how are they manipulated? the ONS is a completely different animal to the BLS.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:38 | 1160949 pendragon
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they are not "lucky"....just that mervn king is the best central banker on the planet. not a high bar granted

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:42 | 1160965 EscapeKey
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Mervyn King, they guy who for 4 years running now has insisted that inflation is due to temporary factors?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:46 | 1160970 pendragon
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youre not asking to have the VAT debate again....?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:47 | 1160971 EscapeKey
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And before the VAT debate, there was another excuse. For 4 years running now.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:53 | 1160985 pendragon
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again youre talking out of your rear end.. on the ONS website the chart of CPI was below 3 for the part of last year that is charted. if the economy is in the tank the inflation band should be used to run a looser policy.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:59 | 1160995 EscapeKey
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Oh right, since I quote just about every newspaper AND the BoE's own website, I can only conclude you know better than everyone else in this country. At least in your own mind.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:06 | 1161009 pendragon
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do you hve a chart of cpi in front of you?

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:07 | 1161014 pendragon
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just about every newspaper or from the horses mouth....the ONS chart.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:07 | 1161015 pendragon
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just about every newspaper or from the horses mouth....the ONS chart.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:38 | 1160950 DoctoRx
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Dumbest decision I know, from Stateside, that the Europeans have taken is going to war in Libya.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:01 | 1161000 Global Hunter
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They corrected that by going to war in the Ivory Coast and backing the muslim and they hedged that trade by banning the burkah in public in France.  (sarc)

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:40 | 1160953 topcallingtroll
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The deflation monster is coming.

I am mostly cash now, but pulling a kamikazi run with cyh.
I wouldnt be surprised if it pops ten.dollars today. Fraud hysteria was overblown.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:43 | 1160966 johny2
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Funny, the same people who complain about policy being too accomodative complain when the rates go up. And even more funny is that it makes sense.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 09:08 | 1161199 Welfareisfraud
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But it doesn't. It's just pretending and extending. The market took a good battering with the recent crisis and many of the EU countries have spent their way into oblivion. Artificially keeping interest rates low just to keep self-entitled constituencies pleased is not going to change this. Sure, if you're a politician, it's a "dumb" move. If you're anyone else in the real world, it's the road to recovery. More than that, the ECB should fuck off entirely and not set rates at all. But lower interest rates when real savings have plummeted? No way.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 07:59 | 1160992 thepigman
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Sounds depressionary.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:14 | 1161037 writingsonthewall
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TD - I would be wary of today's inflation numbers - I believe these are the first set of numbers produced since they altered the basket of goods which are used to measure inflation.


The addition of 'iPhone Apps' and 'dating agency fees' does not leave me very surprised that the picture is of falling inflation this month. It's just another form off Government cover-up, hiding the real inflation which is in essentials such as food and rent.

By adding in less essential items they can ensure that price inflation is subdued in the numbers - I would expect the frivolous services of dating fees and Iphone apps to fall as the competition hots up and discounts are used to help encourage sales. In areas of essentials inflation is rampant.


I have even heard the dreaded "doing my shopping as soon as I get paid these days" doing the rounds lately - this is a sign of loss of confidence in the pound.

Not that it matters anyway - when the 'cease fire' is over in Libya - then the ground swell of inflation caused by fuel prices will further impact on household incomes.

The Government is foolish, it's embarking on a policy of stagflation - printing money whilst cutting jobs (austerity) and reducing consumption. It's a total mess.


Anarchy awaits us all.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:22 | 1161057 EscapeKey
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I just had a quick look at NS's website, and here's an interesting thing -

CPI Weightings suggest 10.8% is spent on food (also suggests amount spent on transportation has remained static over 10 years!):

Average household income is just below £30k, which means 10.8% about £3,200 for the average household to spend on food, or £62 per week:

Average number of people/household in 2002 was 2.36, so we'll say 2.30 for 2010:

This means, on a per-person basis, the average person has 62 / 2.30 = £27/week to spend on food.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:16 | 1161039 wareco
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Tyler.  Which is it?  Is inflation soaring as stated in the previous headline post, or is it plunging, as stated in this headline? 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:46 | 1161112 gilliganis
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Tue, 04/12/2011 - 09:01 | 1161160 Popo
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If you need it to get by, its price is increasing.

If you can get by without it, the price is plunging.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:23 | 1161059 gkm
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What does the ECB rate hike have to do with the cost of funding Spanish government debt?  The answer: very little.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 08:44 | 1161113 SheepDog-One
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You can only raise prices so much on people with no money before sales drop off the cliff, thats just Hood Econ 101.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:28 | 1161686 MallaKite
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most of the uk population have the attention span and memory of a baby goldfish when it comes to stats and inflation..... and Mervin K knows it

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