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UN Security Council Authorizes Libya No-Fly Zone: 10 For 5 Abstain 0 Against

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The vote by the UN Security Council to
impose a no-fly zone on Libya and take "all necessary measures" to
protect Libyan civilians from government-led attacks, has passed with a vote of 10 to 5. The vote "will also allow military intervention to enforce the
ban, and calls to take "all necessary measures" to protect civilians and
civilian populated areas under threat of attack." The UN Security Council Resolution was backed by 10 countries, enough
to pass, while 5 other countries - including Russia, China and Germany -
chose to abstain. None voted against. Next up: CNN's ratings go through the roof as everyone picks up where they left off in the Gulf War with watching 1st person perspectives of bombing sorties taking out various Libyan targets. German planes however will be missing: Merkel's state refuses to participate at all in the bombing.

Below, Al Jazeera live footage of Benghazi rejoicing:

From BBC:

British forces could be in action over Libya as early as Friday, if a UN resolution is agreed, a senior government source has told the BBC.

BBC political editor Nick Robinson said the source stressed talks were continuing and it could take longer, but would be within days of a yes vote.

The UN Security Council is due to vote imminently on whether to authorise a no-fly zone in Libya.

Russia and China are expected to abstain, rather than use their veto.

The vote comes as Col Gaddafi warned people in rebel stronghold Benghazi his troops are coming "tonight" and there would be "no mercy" - he told rebels that those who laid down their weapons would be pardoned.

Senior UN sources said British and French war planes could be in the air within hours to carry out initial air raids on Libyan positions, if the resolution is passed, possibly with logistical support from Arab allies.

 


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Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:44 | Link to Comment Scottj88
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Ron Paul

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Anything else is useless

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:57 | Link to Comment boooyaaaah
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Ageed to the shores of Tripoli

 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:57 | Link to Comment Mark McGoldrick
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Libertarians will drag us into the dark ages. 

Bunch of ham aficionados and their "time machine politics."  

Back to the 1800's - That's the answer!  Yeah, right. 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:03 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Liberals will drag us into the new slave ages and then gnash their teeth and wonder why.. Such child like thinking, amusing but dangerous.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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A junk for your careless use of labels and for stereotyping "libertarians".

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:12 | Link to Comment Dangertime
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Libertarians believe in freedom.  Anything else is just a different type of slavery.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:22 | Link to Comment Founders Keeper
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[Libertarians will drag us into the dark ages.]---Mark McGoldrick

For me, it's Liberty or Death.

Sounds like you've made your choice. Good luck with that.

 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:27 | Link to Comment InconvenientCou...
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Hey, guess what! An advanced race of aliens just landed!

They've overcome the bullshit animal spirits causing all our troubles.

Yes!

They said the secret recipie is to reject all progressivism and stop changing! In fact, it's even better to turn back the clock and regress!

ROaLMBFAO! cough-hack-hock

 

 

 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 20:47 | Link to Comment Freewheelin Franklin
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What's the record at ZH for "junk"?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 23:44 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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I'm wondering rms junks. (that's square-root-of-the-sum-of-the-squares all y'all)

and this is labeled as "Hillary's War"

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51515.html

someone had to fill out his ladderz b4 the deadline.

- Ned

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:02 | Link to Comment crazyjsmith
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Shock and Awe II : The Empire strikes Back!

Where's my popcorn?

Wait, this doesn't look like Hoth?
It looks more like Tatooine.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 20:30 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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and what if the rebels still lose??    isn't this no-fly zone just suppose to make it a fair fight??

From what I saw, the rebels do not really know how to be a complete unit so they'll be asking for a fly zone of U.N. bombers so they can just walk right into Tripoli

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 21:17 | Link to Comment Ropingdown
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The UN resolution is meant to take the weapons out of the hands of the Gadaffi gang.  And superior weapons are all they have.  The first rule of war (and street fights) is that if you find yourself in a fair fight, you've made a big mistake.  Clear out the mercenaries.  Burn the tanks.  Melt the artillery.  When a dictator proves utterly ruthless, and then threatens to terrorize the Meditteranean "for years" if we intervene, then the intervention will be fast, brutal, and continue until the thug, his children and his loyalists are gone.  "Making it a fair fight"  isn't the point.  Illiminating the creator of the unfair fight is the point.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 21:39 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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so its just a proxy war.. who can tell who's a thug anymore..  its not like if we win we get 50 cent oil - nope - just Big Oil gets to get the profits instead of the sand puppets

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 00:43 | Link to Comment Ropingdown
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I can tell Qaddafi, his sons, and his mercenaries are thugs and I'm sure you can, too.  Without 'big oil' you wouldn't have much of a life.  Iraq, certainly, was a war to take a proven aggressor off Saudi's flank.  Libya is a different issue.  Our commitments are lower and our participation as an "air only" force is vastly less expensive.  Proxy war? Stabilizing north Africa?  Do you need 50 cent oil to justify aiding a rebellion against a terrorist and brutal tyrant?  What are we liberating in Afghanistan?  Nothing.  A useless war fought because Dems and Independents could get behind the "al Queda trained there" rubbish.  A huge pointless war.  Air support in Libya?  Sensible and relatively cheap.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 01:34 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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but, amusingly, we (and our power elite) have no idea if whoever replaces the colonel, etc. will be, in practical terms, better "friends" with the u.s. or, more importantly, israel.  ditto every other place currently in flux, including iraq and afghanistan.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 04:13 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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rebellion against a terrorist and brutal tyrant?

 

No rebellion. Only illegal combatants.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 22:18 | Link to Comment nmewn
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I don't know what I hate more...UN posturing or Qwackdaffy's megalomania.

The only thing we know for sure (as the ME fire rages on) is Qwackdaffy's nurse made a good house call and got the hell out of Dodge.

Who said blonde's are dumb ;-)

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 00:46 | Link to Comment Ropingdown
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Agree with the "don't know what I hate more..."

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 05:54 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Everything the UN does turns into a giant clusterfuck of inefficiency and incompetence.

This will be no different...mark my words.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 07:59 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Don't forget the posturing, or the preening.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 18:56 | Link to Comment nmewn
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LOL...by the looks of the news today, a few more meetings in Europe are needed to complete this current fashion show.

I have always wondered...when the UN commits "war crimes" where is the trial held and who are the judges, prosecutors and jurors?

But I suppose we've already found that out from the rapes & tortures their troops have committed around the globe...ahhh well.

 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:47 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Libyan civilians. I thought they were the rebels. Soon to be known as "The War of Euro Aggression".  Bonnie Green Flag anyone?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:50 | Link to Comment TeamAmerica
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How soon?   I wonder if the bombers were orbiting, waiting for the go code...

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:02 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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More than likely. This vote was just a formality. The military planners have had a few weeks to hammer out the various bombing missions.

"Weapons are free. You are go for launch."

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 07:59 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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If you are talking about "UN" military planners, don't expect brilliance.   There wil be no effective unity of command in this clusterfuck.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 04:17 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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They are not even rebels. They are illegal combatants by the standards set by the US.

 

Duplicity is the only US legacy to the world.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:48 | Link to Comment Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Ummm, so how long will it take to set up no-fly zones for Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, who have also attacked their peaceful civilian protesters? *crickets chirping*

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:50 | Link to Comment tahoebumsmith
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And lets not forget Iran either

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:50 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Yeah, that was my question: what about Bahrain?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:39 | Link to Comment Max Hunter
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Bahrain has unruly migrant workers, like Saudi Arabia.  Libya has freedom fighters... Uhhhum.. yeah.. that's it..

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:03 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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No such thing as an islamic freedom fighter.   Islam and freedom are mutually exclusive, forever anathema to each other.      Islam infected soldiers might better be described as "tyranny fighters" as is in, fighting for tyranny.    These are not freedom agenda guys.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:57 | Link to Comment scaleindependent
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(16:53 PM)In Separate News. The UN Security Council has suddenly become tired of North Koreas' maltreatment of its own peoples, after over 50 years,  and has voted 15-0, with no abstainers to invade and liberate the people of North Korea.

UPDATE at 16:55 PM: THE UN Security Council has cancelled the above invasion order of North Korea after a detailed review of North Korea's petroleum reserves.  THe UN Security Council will heretofore conduct a detailed review of all petroleum reserves in despotic nations.

 

(goodfaceinvestah, good to see you. keep on posting)

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 20:05 | Link to Comment chinaguy
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Ghostface - Yeah, that was my thought too...You can junk me too you fools..

and the cost of those those 5 Abstains...

well, that, did not come out of the pockets of the wealthy...any takers?

 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:57 | Link to Comment morph
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Ah but were on good terms with them, so they can murder all the civilians they like.

And as for Zimbabwe, who cares about the people there, they don't have oil!

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 04:21 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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In Bahrain and SA, those guys are terrorists, even though some of them were shot while demonstrating with no guns at belt, just yelling and marching on streets.

The US and co can not even face up they are supporting a bunch of illegal combatants in Libya, illegal combatants who are hiding among civilians etc All the package...

 

Since the US inception, a new category has risen: non humans.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:48 | Link to Comment TWORIVER
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cool when the jiffy pop blows in japan everyone will be looking over here. full moon on saturday, can't wait to see this surreal painting come to life. not.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:50 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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WWIII bitches

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:58 | Link to Comment PhattyBuoy
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Bombs away !

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:59 | Link to Comment camaro68ss
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Its WWIII "Bitchez" you forgot the "Z"

its ok, im here for you

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:08 | Link to Comment Rainman
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...finally a good reason to upgrade all my personal bad habits. Eureka !! 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:29 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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World War III would require global participation across multiple fronts.

Hmmm. Why don't you come up with something more accurate for a description?

"Remember the Maine" while quite possibly inaccurate in a causal sense (since it was a false flag for all intensive purposes), is probably a better comparison to "Remember Lockerbie" than the hyperbole of global conflagration. 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:50 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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World Wars have a quaint way of starting just like this.

The conditions are ripe as they have ever been:

  • Very high inflation
  • Broad based unrest
  • Extremely polarized views both domestically and abroad
  • Very high global unemployment
  • And now we have a war (with three major powers staying out of the vote) If you want me to be exact we have 3 wars now in 3 different countries: Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Libya, with revolutions occuring in other nations including Bahrain/Saudi (which are kinda' at war with eachother)

Looks like the start to a world war if I've ever seen one. What exactly are you witnessing that makes my statement less than accurate?

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 07:24 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Sorry Bob, it's hyperbolic.

You have to have someone who is both willing and capable of fighting the US and its allies globally. We are not there yet. Not even close.

While things may point to future problems and divergences, the near future is another proxy / post colonial action. 

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:08 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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I think it takes two sides to have a "war".      In the Libyan army you have, how to put it to scale, a few stray bacteria against a pallet of clorox(any one US aircraft carrier or fighter wing).

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 01:42 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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yes, all they did was assassinate an archduke....  and it's "intents and purposes".

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:18 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Back then the theory of war had every side "mobilized" because of the argument that the country that was mobilised first could obviously win quickly.   Wrong, the tank had not been invented yet, but the entrenchment tool or "shovel" had been around for a while.   Anyway, they prepared to win back then by having large standing armies which were meant to swing into action quicker than the ennemy.    

In the last several decades, Libya prepared to not lose, up to now, by being a member of the UN, which granted them inviolable sovereignty under "international law" behind which to operate their sordid grinding dictatorship, psychostate horrors, and of course terrorism activities.     So the UN isn't entirely useless:   It protects and coddles evil for long stretches of time.   

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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10 hypocrites with 5 hypocrites who wish to remain blameless just as long as they can sell arms to both sides as well. The war business of the globe thus continues. All that's left is the speeches declaring they did it for the women and ......wait for it.....children.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:56 | Link to Comment Misean
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Let us not forget all of the heroic loans for the needed reconstruction of the new satrap's palaces and ministries, and embasies on the Med coast.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 20:38 | Link to Comment Element
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Oh that, that's just nation building

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 01:43 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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ok then

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:48 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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10 to the 5: "You want a hit of this?" *cough cough*

5: "Oh, thanks. Go right ahead. I'm keeping watch. You can trust me."

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:51 | Link to Comment Tail Dogging The Wag
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Guess Benghazi won't become the new Stalingrad afterall.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:01 | Link to Comment Highrev
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It's only a no-fly zone.

The chances of a new Stalingrad are even better now.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 20:36 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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so when the rebels realize they still have to fight they'll be askin daddy U.N. for more more more more

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 21:20 | Link to Comment Ropingdown
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Apparently you missed the headlines.  It's a no-drive zone.  It's a no-Gadaffi zone.  It's a no-subsaharan mercenaries zone. 

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 04:21 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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I wonder how the side supported by the US and co is going to distinguish subsaharan mercenaries with undocumented subsaharan workers living in Libya. Going to be fun.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:51 | Link to Comment sulfur
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of course germany doesnt vow against lybia they sell weapons to them

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 20:35 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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so no fly zone, but what about the mustard gas???

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:52 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Sarkozy last seen climbing into the cockpit of a Dassault Mirage 2000N...

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:59 | Link to Comment TradingJoe
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Personally I prefer Raffale!

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:03 | Link to Comment boooyaaaah
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Soros meddling

What does this really mean

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:51 | Link to Comment tahoebumsmith
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First casualty, Libyan oil fields...should see the black smoke soon

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:21 | Link to Comment Rainman
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Speaking of black smoke, Obeyme must have figured out by now that a wartime Prez is 50 times more likely to be regurgitated into a second term. The UNSC has always been a straw dog for under the table US foreign policy. Suspicion is warranted.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:34 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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but..but...but.....he got a nobel peace prize....

 

 

 

 

prematurely says captain obvious

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 01:48 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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it can be tricky though; timing and momentum are crucial.  about two thirds of the u.s. now say the war in afghanistan is not worth continuing but majorities support action in libya and iran.  the populace is still bellicose but it seems the staying power is contracting. 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:21 | Link to Comment avonaltendorf
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Point of information: There is nothing anyone can do with fire or explosives to the oil 15,000 ft under the ground.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:53 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Also, what about Pittsburgh - they attacked peaceful protesters recently as well.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:43 | Link to Comment Max Hunter
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I was thinking of that the other day. When Clinton was talking about the rights of protesters. I was wishing someone would interview her with clips from Pittsburgh and ask her the same questions. Without telling here where the clips were from..

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:55 | Link to Comment virgilcaine
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Saddam and sons mission.. redo.!

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:55 | Link to Comment eureka
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To be or not to be an international community of law and order; Libertarianism has no solution for international conflict resolution, except political and philosophical provicialism - not exactly an adequate stance in the age of global casino capitalism. While Libertarianism works on upgrading its related dogma, consider that U.N. action in Libya may align with the Libyan people's legimate demand for democracy.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:06 | Link to Comment boooyaaaah
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15 days too late

It's all over but the wheeling and dealing

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:24 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Exactly right.   The UN swung into action just in time...to permit them to posture and preen.    See, they are there as a force for good, an intergalactic peacekeeping and humanitarian armada that swoops in after much of the damage is done to queen about in their baby blue helmets to protect the guilty from any sort of agression.   Take the UN mission in southern lebanon for example.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:41 | Link to Comment Ricky Bobby
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OH I see America had no choice but to become an Empire.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:46 | Link to Comment DiverCity
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Whose law, jackass?  Just exactly where is the need for "international conflict resolution" in this case, you stupid moron?  It's a civil war you jackass clown!  Why is it our business, you sick fuck?  Fucking do gooders always want to stick their noses in where it doesn't belong and risk shedding my son's blood in some god-forsaken shit hole. 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 21:27 | Link to Comment Ropingdown
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Your son is in the military? 

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 01:57 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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good points.  another is the law of unintended consequences.  somewhat applicable to this area and of some historical irony:  to protect the jews after the ravages of the nazis the u.s. was instrumental in creating israel which, over time, led to the only place in the world where jews are killed regularly for being jews.  and as a bonus, the u.s. is hated by the people who sit on top of two thirds of the world's accessible oil reserves.  

genius is knowing when to stop.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 04:23 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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 consider that U.N. action in Libya may align with the Libyan people's legimate demand for democracy.

 

If it is legitimate, how do you explain the illegal combatants?

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:27 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Riiiight.    Pissed off armed young men in an islamic country...any islamic country, are fighting for "democracy."    Get back to us when you find an actual case of that.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:56 | Link to Comment Mercury
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I will eat my hat, wings and all if the US gets directly, militarily involved here.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:57 | Link to Comment Misean
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You want me to send you some Tapatio for that?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:59 | Link to Comment Mercury
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Well, we'll see.  I'm not talking about a vaguely defined "support" role here but planes in the sky over Libya that deploy ordinance that can kill people and/or troops on the ground...

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:04 | Link to Comment TeamAmerica
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The U.N. resolution specifically forbids troops on the ground (or at least no "occupation force", for what that's worth).

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Misean
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Need troops on the ground to rebuild...um...schools! For downtrowdened Muslim gyrlz!...yeah, that's the ticket.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 22:06 | Link to Comment samsara
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Ya, and we were never in Laos either.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:29 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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John Kerry was though, on Christmas Eve, listening to Nixon's speech on the radio.   See he ferried a spec ops guy up the river.   Used to carry his beret around in a briefcase for years.    So, yeah, "we" were in Laos, "illegally" as they say (which always cracks me up).

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:07 | Link to Comment Misean
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You are obviously unfamiliar with what TWO US aircraft carriers carry?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:28 | Link to Comment Rainman
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+ 15 nukes

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:01 | Link to Comment TeamAmerica
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You're saying the USA won't participate in the air campaign?   Hope that hat tastes good...

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:05 | Link to Comment velobabe
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and to think oBam_mame, will be teeing it up in R I O † when we are going to war. gee, get out of the northern hemisphere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3W6yf6c-FA&feature=list_related&playnext...

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:10 | Link to Comment boooyaaaah
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That's right he has an alibi, for the debates

Hillary got us into this war

Not Like G Bush, he fights like a man

But at least G Bush ended the war in Iraq

and maybe Afghanistan -- if he had a 3rd term

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:51 | Link to Comment ZakuKommander
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His Vietnam campaign medals testify to his manliness!

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 01:58 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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purple barstool with a nose candy cluster.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:33 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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And here we thought it was John Kerry who was posturing as a Vietnam war hero.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 20:07 | Link to Comment SuperRay
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wow, your head must be so far up your ass you can lick your small intestine. You think the iraq war is over? you think bush ended the war? Let me guess - you are G Bush, aren't you. and you think because you wrote five sentences with no periods that you're a poet?  Go back to fucked news, dude, and don't waste our time...

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:35 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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The war was over in about three weeks dude.   Since then we have been in a "war" under the new MSM definition.    Excuse me if I insist on putting scare quotes around it, but that is where we are with these long occupations of savage lands.    It would take a generation of policing and protecting communities, court houses and school buildings to set any of these islam infested tribal shit holes onward toward indoor plumbing and underground sewerage.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 20:29 | Link to Comment Hicham
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Fuck is up with you guys and Obama golfing? You realize how much bush also golfed? It's a presidential pastime/traditiono to golf while the world burns.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 02:02 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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the last even halfway decent president the u.s. had, imo, dwight eisenhower, also golfed.  it's what the president does that counts. but these last two or three or four or five or six....

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 08:36 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Obama does it an order of magnitude more frequently, dude.    Dose makes the poison.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:04 | Link to Comment John Law Lives
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Are you serious?  Why do you think Hillary Clinton strongly supported this?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51515.html

 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 21:18 | Link to Comment Mercury
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We're talking about politicians here folks - sometimes they say things that don't quite line up with reality.  And Hillary (whom I'm sure would eat babies on live TV if it would get her the right job) isn't in charge here.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:57 | Link to Comment scratch_and_sniff
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Bahrain next, if the people want democracy, democracy they shall have! (lets see how they like it, i give it 6 months before they will be screaming "come back gaddafi, all is forgiven")

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:56 | Link to Comment kengland
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They will come for your kids someday.

 

We have no business at all there. Why are we not in the Congo, Liberia or Zimbabwe? How about Georgia? There are grass root revolutions everywhere, but nothing?

 

On a side note, anybody have a reliable wind map for the fallout?

 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:01 | Link to Comment Bubbles...bubbl...
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Do they have oil?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:07 | Link to Comment kengland
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Off the coast of Liberia...yeah

Zimbabwe and Congo are wealthy as all get it with nat resources...

 

So why not? Chinese investment. It's already taken. The new colonialism

 

 

 

 

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 04:26 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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On the contrary. The fact the Chinese are invested in those areas could be a cause to topple the regime as it would allow to clear all previous contracts (see Iraq or Sudan for the scheme)

 

Why no intervention? Because the resources flow out of these countries undisturbed, no matter the wars and all. This is what matters in this US driven world order.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:12 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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"On a side note, anybody have a reliable wind map for the fallout?"

Not a wind map, but a frightening forecast model.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/16/science/plume-graphic.html...

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:20 | Link to Comment kengland
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Thanks. Are you using that one? I have the bookmarked but am still looking for something that has a forecast element to it.

 

Again, thanks for responding.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 21:18 | Link to Comment Smaug
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I love the fact that the U.S. is now backing groups that hate us.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:57 | Link to Comment Highrev
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Watching a late night news/analysis program here in Spain and they've already gone back to Fukushima.

Spooky Dude and Co. have got to step things up a notch in Libya or they're not going to have viewers.

Stiff “prime time” competition there.

 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:59 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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I was thinking that.

Strange time to finally decide to attack Libya.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:58 | Link to Comment John Law Lives
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"all necessary measures" = more Congressional spending to fuel military-industrial complex

General Smedley Butler: "War is a racket"

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:54 | Link to Comment Rainman
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Spot on. This political philosophy of halting thousands of years of history of Muslim tribes killing one another is nonsense the defense industry celebrates. Now it's even better for them....everybody can shoot at each other with weapons that sport the same manufacturer's stamp.

Oil money built this MidEast house of cards. Only a strongly financed and corrupt military leader can rule it by force, just like Saddam, Daffy and Mubarak. They'll all be replaced by the same or worse. That's just the way it is. Either level it and occupy it or stay the fuck away and each defend their homeland without mercy to invaders.  

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 09:19 | Link to Comment Phlash
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Thanks John Law Lives,

You've just prompted me to buy the Smedley Butler book from Amazon, been meaning to do that for a while.

Cheers

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:57 | Link to Comment chump666
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crosses slaughtered.  nice.  market will be looking for an oil bid overkill.

bets on oil fields will burn..ala Libyan armed forces doing something stupid.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:59 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Are the oil fields on fire yet?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:02 | Link to Comment chump666
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speculation that madman Gadhafi lights one up...what better way to tell the west to F*** off.

G7 conference call news next. rumor:  US ala another madman Bernanke will initiate a major USD swap...try and bring the YEN down.  That happens oil is going to 120.  Japan recovery = 0, US = something is gotta give now.

Doomsday trades ahead.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:13 | Link to Comment PhattyBuoy
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Kdaffy "lights one up" - over Saudi, or Israel ?

Where?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 20:17 | Link to Comment Lord Welligton
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Patience dear boy. Patience.

A plane load of gold my convince the man.

I'd say the explosives are already in place.

The negotiations begin.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:59 | Link to Comment chump666
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we got major HFT selling...check your charts.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:00 | Link to Comment matthylland
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Germany is missing a great training opportunity for their air force....

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:00 | Link to Comment eureka
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Libyan rebels had more momentum (all of eastern Libya) than any of the other Arab rebellions mentioned comparatively - that's why they get the U.N. 'help' - like economics, size matters.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:35 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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They get help because certain parties want to turn Libya into chaos. The Rothschilds want to steal all of the oil etc. Gadaffi was useful at a time, but now they want him out.  So the puppet respond to the puppeteer moving their strings and we get ourselves into another war, and charge it our national credit card. Mark my words. This will not be pretty. His sons and el presidente have already indicated if they do this, that Libya will not be a piece of cake for them.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:00 | Link to Comment Bubbles...bubbl...
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This will do wonders to the budget.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:02 | Link to Comment Shameful
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Because things weren't crazy enough.  Dial the instability dial to 11 and rock out!  I deeply hope Russia got Libya some good AA, would be one hell of a surprise for NATO to actually lose aircraft.  Then we get the oh so sweet and yummy ground engagements we all know and love.

Hey here is an idea, why not declare Libya Japan 2, and move Japan over?  Would bring the GDP average of Africa up and Japan loves gigantic public works projects.  Win win!  Well unless you happen to be among the evicted, but since when does the West care about land ownership if it gets in the way of a good plan?  Besides I'm sure the EU would welcome the refugees with open arms, right?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:03 | Link to Comment kengland
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"Hey here is an idea, why not declare Libya Japan 2, and move Japan over? "

 

We could call that "Jasrial"

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:07 | Link to Comment Deepskyy
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Tomahawks Bitchez

 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:08 | Link to Comment AN0NYM0US
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do you think he'd respect the Geneva Conventions?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:15 | Link to Comment Dangertime
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I actually like this idea.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:03 | Link to Comment ThirdCoastSurfer
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I know it's a sensitive subject, but Japan should be directed to do the bombing. 

Most of the cost (of just the act of bombing) is a fixed cost as the bombs and planes and personnel are already paid for and it would secretly be a great moral lift to the country to "kick a dog". It would stymie Libya's ability to blame the US and might create ties and alliances that cannot be foreseen -of course this last part is exactly why the US will insist on doing it whatever the long term consequences might be.  

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:02 | Link to Comment Lapri
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great shot of Bengazhi celebration and Libya State TV people slumped in their seats..LOL.

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/03/libya-benghazi-celebration-vs-libya.html

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:35 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Fools. they celebrate the death of their own nation.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:04 | Link to Comment Thepnr
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This is a disaster waiting to happen, though all could see it coming. As an earlier poster said the hypocricy is incredible when they ignore the current turmoil in Yemen and Bahrain yet chose not to enforce no fly zones over these countries.

This is only a precursor to getting rid of Ghaddafi, I have no problem with that but doing it this way is to me a massive mistake. What can be the ultimate aim of this strategy, fucked if I know.

 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 20:01 | Link to Comment scaleindependent
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Sweet, sweet oil.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:05 | Link to Comment Silverhog
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Fail Safe. open your envelope, a big tent in northeastern Libya.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:05 | Link to Comment AN0NYM0US
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rest assured he'll roll over and concede, if nothing else he's rational and balanced - alternatively none of the above and he will draw straws  - good thing Valletta is well protected by the rocky ramparts of St. Elmo .. it worked against the Turks, at least for a few weeks but then again that was before planes and missiles

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:06 | Link to Comment walküre
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Price of oil skyrocketing following the vote.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:06 | Link to Comment eureka
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The Lybian rebels AND the Arab League ASKED for the this - major difference.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:18 | Link to Comment boooyaaaah
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That's right this time its different

Didn't Obama say the price of electricty would sky rocket. No Nukes , No oil from the Gulf, No Nukes, No oil from the Middle east

Lefties start war just as good as righties

But they are lousey finishers

Truman, JFK, LBJ, Jimmy Carter -- now Obama

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:39 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Why would Arabs request the western powers to go intercede in a civil war among other Arabs?  At first glance this makes no sense does it?  You wonder why Arabs never seem to get anywhere?  They do not move as one and this will continue as long as the hidden hand is moving in the behind the curtain.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 20:39 | Link to Comment Hicham
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Ah so somehow you're trying to figure out how the Arab league supporting this fits into your "jewish bankers controlling the world scenario"? Good luck with that, although your paranoia will no doubt explain it somehow.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 21:39 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Its not really paranoia. Now of course someone like you who reads the papers and makes his decisions based upon information that is fed to you, will say otherwise. You may do that if you wish. I shall not.

perhaps you didn't know that the Libyans didn't do Lockerbie? The Mossad did it and then made it look like the Libyans did it. Also the Libyans got set up for false radio traffic to supposed Libyan operatives in Germany concerning a bombing of a disco there that killed American soldiers. A former Mossad case officer now living in Canada, told the whole sordid tale of how the Mossod made it look like communications were coming from Libya and this prompted the idiotic Americans to bomb Gadaffi about it and kill his daughter for no good reason .

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15362

On and on and on it goes, yet the foolish sheep never change and they dance to the tune that is played for them because to think otherwise is just too damn painful. So they would believe a lie instead of the truth because their minds cannot handle the truth. This is the way they have been programmed now for a very long time. Everything in this world is connected one way or the other from finance to politics to religion. It all is controlled. Until we as a people wake up from our slumbers and realize who is pulling the strings and put a stop this madness it will always continue.

Rothschild Is Making His Move To Take Control Of France.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8490944-rothschild-is-making-h...

BP oil deal with Libya

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23855933-us-accuses-bp-of...

the only reason why they let that guy go who they tried to frame for that bombing was because his appeal was coming up in a Scottish court and they were very afraid that the real truth may come out in court and so they quickly made a deal to let the patsy go back to libya....... One might also ask, just who it is that runs these Arab countries. Oh they dress like Arabs and pretend to be good Muslims but are they who they seem? One's actions always usually tell a lot about a person and when "Arab leaders" come out against another Arab (which happens a lot over there) then one might postulate that all is not as it seems. As long as Arabs fight among each other, then they are easily controlled.....No? It used to be that Islam did a lot to keep Arabs stupid and easy to control. But this is changing now with the internet and information flow as can be seen. The modern day young Arab on the street is much more well read and more knowledgeable and willing to do things to orchestrate change. This control that has been in place for a very long time, may be dying. However, one must also understand that constant vigilence must be undertaken to make sure that real change does take place and is not simply replacing one controlled and useful idiot with another. I think many of them know this all too well.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 22:01 | Link to Comment samsara
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Standing, Clapping. Thanks for taking the time to write that.

Yes,  everything that you said is true,  if one wants to dig and READ.  Before anyone junks HPD, read the articles he posted or do a google on the subjects, names etc, THEN come back with an intelligent reply.

The only thing new in the world is the history you don’t know.         Harry Truman                    A couple to get you started.                                                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA                                           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ                                http://tinyurl.com/49tdyyj
Thu, 03/17/2011 - 22:49 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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You know sometimes  I get real tired. I am 60 years old now. I woke up late in life. I have heard old men talk about how they have been awake since the 50's etc. I cannot imagine having to live all those years knowing what is really going on and yet trying to explain it to the sheep but they did not listen then and they don't listen now. Has anything changed on that front? Not a whole heck of a lot imho. Last year I changed my viewpoints on hope. I finally realized that there will be some who get it and a whole bunch of them that never will. It is a sign of the times. We can see how this was done very easily by a man whose own relative ran the sham trials at Nuremberg. Gee the apple does not fall from the tree does it?

The Century Of The Self - Happiness Machines 1 of 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dA89CBBOC0

They created a whole world of self for the Amerikans and we bought right into it. It was easy. We never saw it coming. And now. Its all about my self and your self and your little world and my little world. You see in Libya, it is like the old days, even till this day. Their country is run along tribal lines. Tribes were at one time important and still are in some areas of the middle east. As the man called Morris said in one of his videos, we long ago lost our culture, it was stolen from us. They shipped in the illegal aliens to fracture the culture and destroy it. Now as Morris is saying and also if you will notice how the leaders of Europe are now saying that multi culturalism is dead etc, even though it was them and people like them and their puppeteers (the hidden hand shall we say) who were responsible for it , nevertheless now, again as Morris is saying these Arabs have done their job now. The Islamic flood into Europe destroyed white western European culture and is no longer of any use, so now those who were once "friends" are now expendable. Gadaffi knows he was set up and he knows what he is up against and it is for this reason and this reason alone that I support him and his efforts because he fights my enemies and the enemies of my white people and my white tribe, if that is possible for any of you to understand, which is probably asking too much at this late stage. For you see, tribe is what it is all about and what it always has been about. Those who operate in the shadows know this full well. This is the way they operate. If you notice anyone who becomes strong among the whites for the right reasons is systematically destroyed or eliminated?  Now as the games begin in Libya, we shall see the same thing repeated that was done to Iraq, to Serbia, and to Afghanistan. But most in this country will never understand it nor see it as it is. Someone asked Ben Franklin one time, what are you giving us Ben and he was quoted as saying , we are trying to give you a republic if you can keep it. I guess we failed on all counts.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 23:39 | Link to Comment samsara
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Ya, we went to different schools together.

I'm 1 away from 60.  Came to many of the same conclusions.

Fare Thee Well... HPD

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 04:29 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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you're trying to figure out how the Arab league supporting this

 

Plain to see: sacrificing one of their own for the welfare of the others.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:09 | Link to Comment tallen
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Wow Oil's just taken off since this NYMEX @ $104.50!

Up 5.3%

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:11 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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This is all well and good but what I want to know is if Barry O had the Richmond Spiders in his bracket?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 19:11 | Link to Comment gimli
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Ah ...... this vote has paved the way to solve all the world's economic problems.

WWIII will do wonders, just as all the other wars have done in the past. 

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