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UN Security Council Authorizes Libya No-Fly Zone: 10 For 5 Abstain 0 Against
The vote by the UN Security Council to
impose a no-fly zone on Libya and take "all necessary measures" to
protect Libyan civilians from government-led attacks, has passed with a vote of 10 to 5. The vote "will also allow military intervention to enforce the
ban, and calls to take "all necessary measures" to protect civilians and
civilian populated areas under threat of attack." The UN Security Council Resolution was backed by 10 countries, enough
to pass, while 5 other countries - including Russia, China and Germany -
chose to abstain. None voted against. Next up: CNN's ratings go through the roof as everyone picks up where they left off in the Gulf War with watching 1st person perspectives of bombing sorties taking out various Libyan targets. German planes however will be missing: Merkel's state refuses to participate at all in the bombing.
Below, Al Jazeera live footage of Benghazi rejoicing:
British forces could be in action over Libya as early as Friday, if a UN resolution is agreed, a senior government source has told the BBC.
BBC political editor Nick Robinson said the source stressed talks were continuing and it could take longer, but would be within days of a yes vote.
The UN Security Council is due to vote imminently on whether to authorise a no-fly zone in Libya.
Russia and China are expected to abstain, rather than use their veto.
The vote comes as Col Gaddafi warned people in rebel stronghold Benghazi his troops are coming "tonight" and there would be "no mercy" - he told rebels that those who laid down their weapons would be pardoned.
Senior UN sources said British and French war planes could be in the air within hours to carry out initial air raids on Libyan positions, if the resolution is passed, possibly with logistical support from Arab allies.
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where's Peter Arnett when you need him, he could make a come back and huddle with Wolf Smurf on a hotel balcony in Tripoli like the good ol' days in Bagdhad during GW1
This is heart breaking. We're starting another war.
The WORLD is engaging in a little more peace keeping.
"The World" can pay for it, fight it and leave my fucking country out of it.
You're obviously in need of a vacation to southern Cuba for a refill of RahRah Empire juice.
complete madness
Right on time the MSM and their operatives kick it into high gear to get the Idolites believing they are doing a moral thing. On Yahoo front page headline a minute ago has Libyan with a hand painted signed saying, "People need No Fly Zone".
I wonder who at Yahoo selects these photos and is authorized to select the "Top Story".
They'll be fired by days end, then disappeared.
Probably at least a 32nd level Mason.
Norwegian oil company statoil hydro to rally tommorow - they drill oil in an politically stabile country...
UN comes out of the huddle, lines up against the Libyan Lions, England hikes....oh, man what a game!
The Lions of Old Detroit finished the season with a 4 game winning streak. Just sayin'.
Fink @ Blackrock..Markets like totalitarian govts.
Time for Gaddafi to get some more plastic surgery.
Seriously, this is sick... can't believe the populous fall for this "we're going in to save the poor citizens" ploy time and time again. The scams are sooo big and obvious now that people literally can't see what's in front of them. It was only a couple of months back that Gaddafi was an ally and meeting with western 'leaders'... maybe this is when they hatched this whole show... wonder when Gaddafi will be on the payroll of JPMorgan?
Oil, fact.
The people do not matter one bit.
Why do you cast the hypothesis that people fall for the plot? People in the US support the scheme. They know how advantageous it is to smear freedom, justice and truth in order to advance their personal interests.
US citizens are not gullible, they are not manipulated by a so called elite. They are plentifully and willingfully active actors of the whole drama.
Personally I find German cosiness with the Russians and Chinese fascinating. We will all abstain together. Too bad the Saudis are not on the Security Council, where they could have also abstained.
Will Saudi F-15s be screaming across the Libyan desert?
Me thinks not.
Poor Colonel Q - K - G (of however you spell your cursed f-ing name).
Les Francais have your number.
Merkel needs every vote she can get. Cannot afford pissing off a single one.
At least Mr. Fink was being honest..it's all about control Your an evil one Mr.. Fink..Your a strange one .. Mr. Fink.
These are early stages where opinion and circumstances change by the minute. But the rebels have said, we don’t want interference but we do want a no-fly zone. They need help desperately. And a no-fly requires an incredible amount of effort.
As for Sarkozy, he’s just blowing around; he’s not going to do anything.
If the U.S. and the U.N. don’t use ground troops, the Libyans may be able to establish their own government. Gaddafi is prepared to launch an invasion of Libya’s second largest city, Benghazi, and take it from the rebels. If his helicopter gunships and jet fighter planes can be prevented from covering Gaddifi’s assault, and if ground fighting is limited to just tanks, I think the rebels may be able to hold him back.
At this point, it’s hard to be a purist and simply say "hands off" no matter what, particularly with the slaughter going on.
This is a unified freedom movement from people wanting to overthrow the government – this is more than oil. These people saw what was happening in Egypt and Tunisia, and they said this is our time to step out and do something. They deserve to have a chance to do that.
They tried peaceful protest, to ask for changes in the government, and it was “nothing doing” - just as in Yemen.
They are fighting for freedom for themselves and their families; it’s not the same as some African potentate trying to take over from another African potentate. It’s like America in 1776 fighting to overthrow a dictator. What good is the U.N if it can’t give these freedom fighters a little help?
If the U.N double crosses these people, then the U.N. needs to be defunded because it becomes unhelpful to the causes of the world and freedom. World opinion is different now on having the United States sponsor the Libyan government.
“This administration,” according to Ron Paul,” has stated that nothing is off the table as they discuss US responses to the unrest.” As Paul says, “This sort of talk is alarming on so many levels.”
Yes. And if the alarming talk becomes alarming action, then God help the Libyans.
Look for someone to "accidentally" air-drop a hundred hundred BGM-71 TOW anti-tank missiles in Benghazi. Ooops. And maybe "accidentally" drop a bunch of M21 anti-tank mines. Ooops. You know how fumbling these special ops guys are.
I don't have any military experience but I think having the no fly zone will also greatly help them, as it will be far less demoralizing with no enemy aircraft constantly flying overhead.
Nice narrative, supported by no evidence. Those guys have no past, no records, only propagandists weave webs of alleged motives.
The worst for them is that since this hypothesis is cast to support western intervention, whatever happens afterwards will have to fit the hypothesis. Whatever regime comes into place, it will be a regime for freedom and sold as such.
No evidence and plenty of reason to find it laughable. This is an islamic country, and islam means "submission." It is fundamentally anti-democratic.
Yes, submission to God.
It is not an exaggeration to say that the momentous events in the Middle East began with one man, and they began in the tiny nation of Tunisia. That man was 26-year-old Mohamed Bouazizi. The quest for freedom unifies.
Rose Wilder Lane, in The Discovery of Freedom, credits one man with starting the revolution against the British Empire. I quote :
“One man began that war. And who knows his name?
“He was a farmer, asleep in his bed, when someone pounded on his door and shouted in the night, ‘The troops are coming!’
“What could he do against the King’s troops? One man. If he had been the King, that would have been different. Then he could have done great things. Then he could have set everything to rights, he could have made everyone good and prosperous and happy, he could have changed the course of history. But he was not a King, not a Royal Governor, not a rich man, not even prosperous, not important at all, not even known outside the neighborhood. What could he do? What was the use of trying to do anything? One man, even a few men, cannot stand against the King’s troops. He had a wife and children to think of; what would become of them, if he acted like a fool?
“Most men had better sense; most men knew they could do nothing and they stayed in bed that night in Lexington. But one man got up. He put on his clothes and took his gun and went out to meet the King’s troops. He was one man who did not consent to a control which he knew did not exist.
“The fight on the road to Lexington did not defeat the British troops. What that man did was to fire a shot heard around the world, and still heard. One finger on one trigger began the war for the revolution…”
Lane’s point: It’s still continuing, one man’s fight – Everyman’s fight - against tyranny.
I think you meant "Allah help the Libyans" Recall that who ever you are talking about in Libya, the civilians, the loyalists, the tribes, the "rebels", just about whoever, they're all islamo'tards.
Allah (????, ', Allah, ) is the standard Arabic word for God; it is used by Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, in reference to "God"."Allah."
You know, I know where you guys are coming from:
1. Suspicion of the TPTB motives
2. It'll just be another despot running the place when the smoke clears
3. Just another play in the great game
etc.
But what do you do with the people who are trying to get out from under a crazy, despotic cocksucker like Gadaffi- the people of Lybia? Fuck em? Who cares? Not our problem?
Honestly trying to understand. No snark. Honest question.
What do you always do with the people in the way of a resource you need. Kill 'em all.
I hate us.
spinone -
The only people standing in front of us using our own resources (oil, which yes, we have plenty of) is our government and the bloated maleficent beurocratic bastion of political correctness it represents
Other then that, I have no concerns.
Thank you spinone. I think I understand what you're trying to say.
I like this blog. I agree very strongly with most of the views I see posted here. But, I find many of the comments in this thread troubling, and thought perhaps I don't understand the consensus here as well as I had thought. Oh well.
<crickets>
the consensus that this is a phony war for oil? and that we sit by literally 5 miles away while the bahrainis kill their own people? WAKE THE FUCK UP
Well said. Thank you, but you didn't address any of my questions. Are they red herrings?
EDIT: JFC... I just got it. I honestly didn't come here for a free education... but wtf...
2nd EDIT: It's a strange experience realizing you just got some liberal smarminess slapped off your face. Sorry about that.... and thanks.
Why under Gadaffi only? Why make a specific case?
While it may look like the people are trying to get out from under Gaddafi, that is only because he is the one currently on top. The fighters over there aren't fighting for the whole libyan people. They are fighting to get on top themselves. I mean, until proof to the contrary. This is an islam infested tribal shithole.
Thank you Barry Fucking Soetoro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sICVWwI3LE
A dozen Blackhawks will settle this.
Spectre gunships would be more like it, or B1s from 22,000 feet equipped with a "Sniper Pod" and the usual ordinance. You must have missed Blackhawk Down. RPGs are effective against blackhawks.
All we need to do is put an AWACs on station. Khadaffi will keep everything grounded. Muammar's planes will be able to see themselves tracked from the runway. I wouldn't fly in those conditions.
Do people in Bahrain and Saudi know about this? What are they afraid of now? to the street!!!!
The US should stay out of Libya.
Our Founders' foreign policy rested on neutrality, non-interventionism, non-entanglement, and encouraged only commercial partnerships.
I'd like nothing more than to see Gaddafi chased out of Libya. But, chased out of Libya by Libyans. And, hey, if Libyans have a friend in neighboring countries willing to support the Libyan people, that's fine---that's their business.
The US has got to stop meddling in the political affairs of sovereign nations whose affairs do not directly threaten the peace and prosperity of our nation.
We are choking on the misguided web of entanglement foreign policy.
That was well said, and clarifying for me. Thank you.
That sounds fair as long as we also take back all of the military armaments which we have provided him through the years. But that was only business, right?
Seems weak to me, bro. There were never any TOS agreements when we sold that shit to this asshole. Might not be a bad idea in the future though.
Thanks for your Reply, buzzard.
I think you can be certain that when "military armaments" are sold from one nation to another nation, strings are always attached, i.e. political entanglements.
(I'm sure you weren't suggesting US private commercial enterprises, such as Smith & Wesson, was doing "business" with Gaddafi. I'm pretty sure S&W is not rolling out tanks, APCs, anti-aircraft batteries, artillery, attack helicopters, fighter jets, and gun boats.)
Commercial partnership implies business to business enterprise---not government to government.
Holy **** did not expect china/russia to withold a veto on this. Something wicked this way comes...
they made a deal to split the profits once they get it and then double the price of oil to americans
Is anybody out there watching the fucking banksters running out the back door, while Amerikan Sheeple click it over to CNN during commercial from The Bachelor, Duncing With the Starz, or American Idle, to watch the Pentagon try out all of it's new toys on the Libyan pagans? Maybe could bring ole W back from retirement and fly his drunk ass into Benghazi so we can have another round of "Mission Accomplished". What a sorry assed world.......
Hey, its March Madness damn it. The sheeple are watching the tourney!!!
(That being said, ADHD is a curse and a gift. Not everyone can keep up with 4 basketball games, ZH, CNN, CNBC, and not spill his beer)
Front row tickets for the end of the world... Bitchez
And I appologize if I offended all you drunks out there for using "ole W" in the same sentence.....
"8.Authorizes Member States that have notified the Secretary-General and the Secretary-General of the League of Arab States, acting nationally or through regional organizations or arrangements, to take all necessary measures to enforce compliance with the ban on flights imposed by paragraph 6 above, as necessary, and requests the States concerned in cooperation with the League of Arab States to coordinate closely with the Secretary General on the measures they are taking to implement this ban, including by establishing an appropriate mechanism for implementing the provisions of paragraphs 6 and 7 above"
Carte blanche really.
So ... do we hence forth get on board with all future people's rebellions ... give them air support, to stop them getting a beating?
Or do we tell them to go buy their own navy and airforce, if they want a war?
moral hazard? ... fact is, we just bailed these guys out ... and did they deserve it? ... or did they make mistakes that we are just encouraging to continue?
damned if you do, damned if you don't
At the very least, the Libyans could have handled this much much better - they better be worth it.
You got me at moral hazard...
what do you guys expect, a peace marathon? humans really enjoy regional tribal warfare and there is probably not much we could do to change that, well, maybe an alien visitation/invasion
In Papua New Guinea they use an axe for that, not someone else's LHD, ... when they start to lose the axe fight.
Remember what the Jesus said to the Peter when he cut the centurion's ear off?
Something like, "if you cut shit off, Pete, your shit gets cut off too".
It was true then, and true now
Yes. We like war. We're a warlike people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaS2bRGS86cThanks, I needed that.
A subtle message to the mercenaries and the states they come from.
"16.Deplores the continuing flows of mercenaries into the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya and calls upon all Member States to comply strictly with their obligations under paragraph 9 of resolution 1970 (2011) to prevent the provision of armed mercenary personnel to the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya"
Well if I was from Niger or Chad I think I'd get a one way ticket home.
Wouldn't really want to explain what I doing there when Qaddafi retires to the bunker.
Will be an interesting point to monitor as Libya has a stock of black workers, some undocumented.
A freedom government could not seize innocent people, could it not?
Egypt has begun sending weapons across the border to the "rebels".
I'd say game over for Qadaffi & his sons.
Best to get it over with quickly.
Not 'rebels' ... webels ... wable of woudy-webels, at that
As you wish.
This is possibly the stupidest thing I have ever seen since Operation Iraqi freedom. Going to war based on emotion will not end well. There is no concrete plan. What if this last longer then usual? Who will replace Gaddafi? The rebels are not a unified force. It is composed of seperatist,jihadist,former soldiers,regular folk. Russia and China are no doubt going to give arms to K-Daffy Duck. This will not be easy. Yeah the Libyan airforce look like shit but K-Daffy will bring a world of hurt if he is cornered. This is jus tlike Operation Iraqi freedom. Go in guns blazing but have no idea what the oputcome will be like. This will not end well.
What I was thinking.
Like what happens if, oh, I don't know, say one or two of the Gulf States started to go apeshit?
Where you want the Capital ships and shit?
Libya, right?
Who cares about a ruthless has been dictator who looks like someone put out a fire on his face with a track shoe?? He is finished all he can think about is the dreaded cruise missles.
The real enemy is this heartless bastard who just declared war on boob jobs...
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8504276-venezuela-chavez-rails...
Libya Has the UN Just Approved DUing North Africa?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDGl0QccKrw
I am very worried about this. We have seen what they did to Iraq and Serbia and Afghanistan. They now intend on using DU in Libya, I just know it........
Merkel is making the right moves to usher Germany to superpower status.
Please...
Okay so I've done a compehensive consideration of every single comment in this thread.
I have decided that nobody gives a shit what I think. Bring on the dogs of war.
Has anyone seen any of the new US Navy recruitment commercials? The Navy has a new slogan,that sums it all up:"The US Navy. A force for global good." So there you have it. The US Navy are now nautical social workers. Makes me sick. The sooner this empire shit ends the better off we as a people will be. Some just can't accept this though. They think it is our DUTY to play planetary policeman.
The commercials are designed for TV brains. That's all they gotta say and some people will believe it.
I'm totally disappointed with the Germans. I so wanted to see the Luftwaffe flex its muscles...
You think at some point they'd get over their Hitler complex...I mean what are they afraid of? They've been shamed for so long they've become a nation of vagina's.
If I were Quadaffi I'd fear them more than the Americans...
A defence force is supposed to be a self defence force of the state in which the taxpayer plebs paid for it.
Merkel, whatever the motive, is doing the right thing.
World Wars are a result of a few, and then everyone going expeditionary ... to defend theirs, or some allies interests, ... in this case, even that rationale does not fit here.
Start a war, then don't expect someone else to fight it for you, that's military welfare, not humanitarian intervention.
go to a German airshow if you want to see the Luftwaffe.
It would be very unwise for the Germans to flex their muscle in the middle east,other than supporting the operation.For the middle east to achieve peace,this has to include Israel as well.But the Israeli Air Force is also not involved ,as far as I know.
As a German I feel very strongly,that Germany should not be at the forefront of this,
but rather they will lend their support to the US,Britain,France and Lebanon,
to help clean up this mess in the middle east,that has gone on for far too long.
Germans don't have a Hitler complex,they just know from experience what it feels like to live under a totalitarian regime that destroyed Germany.
Gaddafi is very much in the mold of Hitler,
even though there is no comparison as yet,
to the genocide and persecution unleashed on the civilian population.
And the world should never forget that...
You know that when Hitler came to power there were 45 DEMOCRATIC political minor Parties in the German Parliament ... and every one of them was headed up by a Triber?
Can you blame him and the people that elected him wanted to radically dismantle that, and clean house? (i.e. exile them … at first … it was years later when they wouldn’t go that it got real nasty)?
Don't forget what the tribe's Central Bankers and Co did to Germany and its money, and society, which thus bought him forth as a popularly democratically elected leader, that everyone could get behind.
If your country was in that position, what would you do? Vote for the guy who was going to destroy that shit?
Yes you would.
The majority wanted to clean house. That’s the side of the story Hollywood will never tell you.
Perspective.
Russia and China first vetoed a no fly zone,mainly because they got oil interests in Libya.
If there is one veto vote agaist a solution, the UN can't move either way!
As a German I can understand their position, but I applaud the Leadership taken by France, Britain, Lebanon and the United States. It was high time they showed some leadership,
but due to the earlier opposition by China and Russia,this outcome was not easy to achieve.
Gaddafi has to go,the whole middle east is changing and changing fast.
So all fascist despots,thugs and corrupt murderers beware,
your time is up !
What 'leadership', someone delusional ill-disciplined twats start a war they can't possibly win... then beg a big power or 8 to intervene?
So they do?
No offence, but open your eyes.
What do you think happens next time? you know, like next month, or so. You realise we just made a big mistake? The road to hell is paved with good intents.
Quadaffi made a mistake. He should have taken the gold and left. Now he's going to die and so is his family. He must be delusional to think the Europeans and Americans were going to sit on their arses while Ol' Muamar slaughtered his people sitting on a fountain of black gold. But the Dictator just couldnt see the writing on the wall. His Egyptian counterpart should have been enough forshadowing...past is prelude.
He probably still will, but he will negociate a ceasefire and free passage first.
someone delusional ill-disciplined twats ?
I suppose you wanted to sell some more arms for Oil to Gaddafi,
to support his totalitarian Regime and keep those delusional ill-disciplined twat slaves
in line..? excuse me Element, but your attitude is fucked !
Excuse me, but I don't sell arms to anyone.
I do not run a totalitarian regime either. It isn't in me.
A strawman is not anargument or refutation or negation of what I said.
Have a look at those rebels. They may want their freedom, for that I applaude them, and support them as a human being, but they are "delusional ill-disciplined twats".
Not much has changed in the Middle-East the way I see it. Egypt is status quo. Libya is meant to be a stale mate while we figure it out; we didn't want a rebel win not knowing what that meant. We will let the Saudis do whatever they want with our tanks and F-15's. U.S. still sandwiching Iran with our military. It's all about the oil. The last thing any major power wants is mid-east "democracy." Isn't all this obvious?
This "Democracy" shit sounds alright,really.
Never seen in before though.Wouldn't even mind a taste of it.
Democracy is good,just not if the USA brings it to you.
It never turns out well when the USA ,hand deliverys this "Democracy stuff.
Carefull everyone or the USA will bring "Democracy to your country too.!!!
Best of luck my Libyian brethern.!
The problem with democracy is Central Banking deliberately targets them the moment they popup.
the rest is history.
you have no fucking Idea what you are really talking about.
You are a spoilt little Girlie-Man who has always had his arse wiped.living it up in the land of the free.If someone else wants to free themselves from shit,you want them to go back into their submissive hole ,so you can keep on typing shit into your Apple Computer,produced by slave-labour in China.
People like you,spoiled little Brats who have no regard for others disgust me.
Democracy might not be perfect,but it is the best we got right now and until Idiots like you realize that,we might have to stick to what we got .
Democracy might be the best but it requires that democracy is what these people are going to get. When one sees how undemocratic the process of building the EU zone has been, one could wonder if the Europeans themselves are convinced that democracy is the best.
Democracy is just a label, a badge attributed by cooption. It recovers nothing else.
When everything else fails they take you to war.
- Gerald Celente -
Hillary said today that we are going to help the Tunisians and that the Libyan people should be protected. Maybe she has grown a heart this time. Maybe we should believe her. Maybe she has changed and is back down to two legs only? just saying.....should we be "hoping"? The navy says they are "good". When I wake up in the morn I'm sure Sarkozy will be bombing Libya, or maybe Cameron...What if they "accidently" hit some of the 'rebels'? Will those rebels become insurgents? Maybe they will become the new terrorists? or maybe Hillary will tell us she made a mistake and those rebels are actually Al Kaeda and we need to wipe them off the map. Who Knows?
Exactly as predicted in this February 6th chart, the second peak related to supply interruptions begins.It will reach Brent 125-130 by April 1st, when either Gadaffi will be finished, or demand will drop, because of price of e.g. Japan going nuclear.
http://www.saposjoint.net/Forum/download/file.php?id=2609
Now of course this second spike in Oil will not help stocks, the nicely follow the slope of decline I predicted on February 6th. I predicted the peak date correctly, and slope for more than 1,5 months ahead. I think the prediction will be correct also for next months.
http://www.saposjoint.net/Forum/download/file.php?id=2608
What is more interesting, is a prediction for a final spike in silver (and similarly gold) before 40-50% correction coming very soon, at about 45 USD. I do not know what can be causing that spike in silver and correction - Japans QE and following sales of its gold reserves? Or dollar strengthening on Libyas war and Europes problems? I do not know, but the aggregate of all events will make silver look like it is in the chart. Its currently going hyperexponential for too long, and to fast, and that never lasts. Exponential growth can last, superexponential- never.
http://www.saposjoint.net/Forum/download/file.php?id=2673