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University Of Calgary Professor And Senior Advisor To Canadian PM Calls For Julian Assange Assassination On National TV

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It is not a good week for Wikileaks. Following yesterday's Interpol arrest warrant, also yesterday, Tom Flanagan, a senior advisor and strategist to the Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, called for the assassination of Wikileaks director Julian Assange. On CBS News. On Live TV. As the video notes, "it is believed to be the first ever televised "fatwa" since the edict by the Iranian leadership of the late Ayatollah Khomeini against British writer Salman Rushdie in February 1989." It's a good thing western society, where due process used to mean something, is so much more evolved than that of Iran. Additionally, although news anchor Solomon afforded Flanagan the
opportunity to retract his statement, Flanagan balked at doing so and
instead reiterated that U.S. President should put out a "contract" on
Assange or use "a drone" and that he would not be unhappy if Assange
." Flanagan who is a trusted member of PM Harper's inner
circle of Tory strategists joins Sarah Palin in calling for the death of
the Wikileaks director as retribution for the website's release of
confidential diplomatic and intelligence "chatter" this week. How long before any senior political advisor has the freedom to issue fatwas on national TV on anyone who dares to utter or publish something that they consider offensive? 


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Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:51 | 767884 MsCreant
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She deserves your vote.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:59 | 767939 tmosley
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And he deserves what he will get thereafter.

Of course, we won't, but I guess that is beside the point.  Damn the consequences, we've got to kill anyone that embarrasses "us".

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:23 | 768055 optimator
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Give the busy guy a break.  He's wading thru thousands and thousands of secret messages, while travelling from hotel to hotel in country after country trying to evade the police and intel organs while deciding what missives to release.  He's the one armed paperhanger. 

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:38 | 768118 More Critical T...
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Lets put the "rape" accusations into perspective.

The allegations are that he had consentual sex, but that she changed her mind during the act - which 'change of mind' he allegedly ignored. This apparently can be "rape" in Sweden (it is not rape in most other jurisdictions - such as Australia where Assange is from) - and while it can result in a conviction it carries no prison sentence in Sweden either and is very rarely prosecuted (let alone prosecuted successfully).

These allegations were made shortly after the two women found out about each other. (The two women did not know about each other - both thought to be the sole sexual partner of Assenge.)

One of the women making the allegations is a self-confessed "eye for eye" proponent of women issuing revenge via legal means. She wrote a blog post about it, the English translation of "seven step model for legal revenge" of can be found here:

(After the initial accusations she removed this posting for a couple of days - then restored it after it got copied into Google cache, etc.)

After the initial allegations were made Assange remained in Sweden for an extended period of time, during which time he through his counsel offered to the swedish prosecutor his unconditioal cooperation - but she was not interested.

Shortly after he left Sweden for the UK and shortly after the release of the biggest leak of intelligence in history she issued an arrest warrant - limiting Assange's movements all around the globe. (Strangely, the Interpol almost never acts in sex cases, especially when the number of alleged victims is low.)

So while it appears clear that Assenge has a pretty colorful private life, this case looks suspect from many angles, at minimum. It certainly does not weigh up to the public interest in the cases that Wikileaks publishes:

  • the previously undocumented death of tens of thousands of people in Iraq (in addition to the documented ones)
  • the ease how US helicopter crews kill civilians, kids included and then joke about it before and after they killed/injured the people and kids. The same helicopter crew is also documented to have killed combatants who threw away their weapons, raised their hands and tried to surrender to them - after consulting an army lawyer over radio.
  • politicians betraying their countries by leaking sensitive information to US diplomats - often with the purpose to cause domestic trouble to rival politicians.
  • banks looting billions
  • etc.
Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:59 | 768247 kennard
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Gov. Palin did NOT call for anyone's death, folks.

What a gullible bunch you are.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:03 | 768273 Jean Valjean
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True.  Show me the clip if she did.

The desire of so many to believe that tidbit of misinformation is part of this country's problem.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:42 | 768876 More Critical T...
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My post does not refer to former half-term Governor Sarah "quit, baby, quit!" Palin.

The request was made by the canadian Prime Minister.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:07 | 768301 Bolweevil
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Palin continued: “His past posting of classified documents revealed the identity of more than 100 Afghan sources to the Taliban. Why was he not pursued with the same urgency we pursue al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders?"

and what happens to AQ and Taliban Leaders? BTW she's not a governor, she quit. Back atcha kenny.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:13 | 768349 Kopfjager
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Good points.  I have mixed feelings about the guy.  He obviously has his favorites and has an agenda.  I still think that the things he revealed are common knowledge to anyone it would seriously effect. The war crimes, the diplomatic turmoil, unethical banking practices...  This is all common knowledge except for those who didn't care to know in the first place.  

In a way it's good coming from a military perspective.  The reports we put out are often criticized for overstating the threat from Al-Qaeda and other groups.  Dig deep into the computers and you'll find out we weren't bullsh*tting and that the intel gathered did not come from 'secret squirrels' but instead by simple observations gathered by scout and sniper units.  The reports will also help people appreciate how complicated the situation is in Afghanistan.  If anything, this might provide some more intelligent thought on the matter.  I'm sick of hearing bumper stickers mentality shouting back and forth.  

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:55 | 768613 AchtungAffen
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"I still think that the things he revealed are common knowledge to anyone it would seriously effect."


No they werent. For example, there was a comment by argie politician "Massa" against his boss, Néstor Kirchner, where he tagged him as a loonie and a crazy. That guy's ass is now on fire. Same as Anibal Fernández, another Kirchner insider whose comments came up to light with the leaks. And as these revelations, there are 1000's, for example in the case of the Spaniard cameraman killed by a US shelling of the Palestine Hotel in Iraq, now there's ample evidence that the Spanish judiciary took "orders" from US diplomats to archive the suit. Same thing with what happened to Judge Garzón; taken off his post for his investigations on Franco, but in fact he was taken off because his investigation on Guantánamo...

There are a lot of "new things" from everywhere around the world in this leak. And at least for me, this shit is fucking awesome.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:35 | 768778 More Critical T...
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The war crimes, the diplomatic turmoil, unethical banking practices...  This is all common knowledge except for those who didn't care to know in the first place. [...]

From what I've seen it's a raw treasure trove - with plenty of benign and common knowledge info included as well. 250,000+ previously secret messages need to be investigated ...

This is relentless investigative journalism at its finest - not the loyalist "I scratch your back if you scratch mine" approach to politicians that Fox News, CNN and co is practicing. If newspapers were doing more of this then the newspaper business would not be a dying marketplace. It's ironic that it takes unpaid volunteers to put the last 20-30 years of investigative journalism into shade ...

And note that even if some piece of information is "common sense" and "obvious" to you and me, it's quite a bit different if it comes in writing from a highly ranked diplomat of the United States. It cannot be denied anymore with a wink. Victims cannot be kicked out of federal court with a flat denial or the invocation of the "State Secret" privilege anymore.

For example 'suspecting' that the UN leadership was spied on by diplomats is quite different from having written, contemporary documents that the US Secretary of State ordered the opportunistic collection of DNA samples, VPN and other encryption keys.

Or there were other instances where US diplomats secretly lobbied for the release of a (non US citizen) person indicted for corruption. Should not any such request have been made public, to make sure there's no conflict of interest between the diplomats and the (common criminal) person in question?

Also, this is the whole kit, and we got the current snapshot. When documents get classified and are archived for years without public access to them then it can be destroyed 'accidentally' like the CIA videotapes of water torture were destroyed, right? (Which intelligence officer in their right mind destroys videotapes of a terrorist interrogation?? It's as if a police officer destroyed tapes of a suspected murderer talking. How credible is the claim that those tapes were "not needed anymore"?)

The documents release so far show that classification is being abused widely, so public distrust and public oversight of this material is more than warranted.

This stuff is huge IMO - and we've only seen the first few hundred cables ...


Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:59 | 768951 Husk-Erzulie
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Imagine a US diplomat trying to do her job (diplomacy) and the person sitting across the table from her is wondering whether she isn't oportunistically eyeing the paper napkin they just blew their nose in.  What a farce you are Hillary.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 22:58 | 770627 caconhma
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Welcome to the Soviet States of America Murder Inc. Stalin did it all the time.

It appears that our deliberately created & out of control paranoia is swiftly moving America to a fascist state.

No wonder that S. Pailin supports N. Korea. America became a land of incredibly stupid politicians.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:11 | 767997 strannick
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Haha..good one!

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:14 | 768008 Andrew G
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Vote in 2012? Someone's looking way way too far in the future. There's plenty of things that could happen in between, perhaps the voting will not quite be so meaningful in collapsed or dictatorial or XYZ America.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:53 | 767898 DaveyJones
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Sarah's Assasination Squads will fix everything. And don't worry about voting. They'll fix that soon  

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:01 | 767952 Kyron95131
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they already have

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:08 | 767974 DaveyJones
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good point. I was afraid to admit it in a public forum. Can't afford a contract on my life (kids in college) 

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:29 | 768079 ZakuKommander
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Yet another confirmation that Palin is aligned with TPTB.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:48 | 768182 John McCloy
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She is being completely created by the corporate and media interests and has been a theater production for months now. Relentless talk about a run in 2012 on all media channels. Even MSNBC lords of the left are always making here the topics of their morning news shows and rarely have anything negative to say aside from.."Can she win?"

     How anyone can listen to this woman for more than 10 minutes and not come to the conclusion that she is the most recent puppet creation is mindblowing but that is what the deductive capabilities of this nation have been dumbed down to. So they brainwash the moms listening to the morning "news" with constant Palin references..Palin this..Palin occasional jab to have the mothers side with what they percieve as their counterpart.

  Ron Paul was not even mention in the 12 for 2012 in Fox News. If every American spent an actual hour listening to the words of any nominee an then Ron Paul I would be hard pressed to imagine them not voting for this man even with the Media's endless self-serving attacks on such an honorable man. Romney is the corporate and media Republican puppet of choice and Palin is controlled opposition.



Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:57 | 768230 Ragnarok
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+ 2012


I was telling my family the same thing this TG.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:47 | 770010 Mad Max
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Yes, Palin appears to be the new media-created false people's conservative, to counter the media-created Obama false people's new democrat.

It's all a phony sideshow at this point.  Spread this information around so people will start waking up.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:49 | 767868 espirit
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I junked you. Legalized contract killing?

You are a fool to think it will simply end at this point.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:05 | 768287 hbjork1
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tmosley was being sarcastic.


Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:21 | 768400 tmosley
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He was replying to YHWH, who's comment was junked into deletion (first time I have seen that happen in a while).

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:46 | 768562 MsCreant
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Happened very fast too! 

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:57 | 767925 schoolsout
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Yahweh, is that you?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:57 | 767930 Coast Watcher
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What a nice Christian sentiment,. Or is your YHWH the Old Testament variety?


Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:08 | 767979 Bastiat
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Old Testament, yeah -- YHWH directed genocide so what's a measly assassination?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:56 | 768013 strannick
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Its nothin. Just like Obama and Hilary Clinton tell us with their partial-birth abortion. Nice bit of poco genocide. Its OK to kill our children, as long as its done humanely. Wait, its not that humane? Fuck it, rip 'em up anyway, I got a townhouse to pay for...

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:14 | 768005 Ozrealist
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I wouldn't shed a tear if you took a long walk off a short pier! Do us all a favor and invite the Professor and Palin to go with you.  At least then there would be three less free speech assassin aresholes for the rest of us to have to worry about.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:43 | 767822 unwashedmass
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And look at the ffront page of the NY Times right now.....

They have a comments section......time to give them a little bit of what the Zero Hedge crowd thinks about such blatant propaganda.

assisination of julian...jesus...gimme a break...he's doing the peasantry of this country a favor -- maybe ben will be forced to turn off the money funnel to BAC.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:43 | 767826 pragmatic hobo
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there were times in history where crisis pushed men forward ... then there are times like now ...

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:02 | 767880 King_of_simpletons
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These elitists, their foundations are shaking. They now understand that there is a medium out there called wikileaks that's dragging their assholes thro' mud, for years of collective corruption and deceit of the public in collusion with the different "state run media" branded only by different corporate names. If the "journalists" did their job, no one will need wikileaks. When did it become the standard to shoot the messenger ? Wikileaks did not release any damning information as such but the governments across the world are now scared that their collective hold on the public by way of political spin and propaganda, is in trouble.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:16 | 767961 hedgeless_horseman
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"You know...I wouldn't feel unhappy if Assange disappeared." 

It sounds to me like maybe Tom Flannigan used to advise the late Emilio Massera, too?

The meanings of others he altered for good. By 1978 the word capucha, “hood”, meant murky basements across the land in which ordinary Argentines were kept for years blindfolded, chained and shackled. A paquete was now a bound human being, delivered up to torture. A submarino was no longer just a submarine, or a children’s treat of chocolate squares melting in hot milk, but a way of holding a suspect’s head under water fouled with faeces and urine until they thought they were drowning. And desaparecer, to disappear, became a transitive verb, meaning to kidnap innocent citizens, drug them and load them on to military aircraft from which they would be tossed, living, into the sea. Perhaps 10,000 Argentines died this way in the seven years the junta was in power.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:01 | 768667 AchtungAffen
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Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:16 | 768016 I am a Man I am...
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corrupt governments and corporations need to be exposed for what they are, why the hell would anyone be against this

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:28 | 768032 hedgeless_horseman
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A) Because they support the rule of law

B) Because they are looters that benefit tremendously from said corruption

C) Because whistle blowing is not fair

D) None of the above

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:20 | 768394 cougar_w
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But I was really looking for "Because they can't wait for their shot at a Fourth Reich." I guess you gotta go with what's closest in these multi-guess things.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:04 | 768679 hedgeless_horseman
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We have a winner!

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 01:48 | 771022 Uncle Remus
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So, will we be seeing jackboots and lederhosen on the Spring fashion runways?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:49 | 767839 DaveyJones
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"How long before any senior political advisor has the freedom to issue fatwas on national TV on anyone who dares to utter or publish something that they consider offensive?"

That's the point. Every political criticism is now a security breach. Kind of ironic we used it for Iran



Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:55 | 768213 Rogerwilco
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Officials in the Obama administration have testified before Congress that they reserve the right to order the assassination of American citizens living in foreign countries, without any need for due process or judicial oversight. Apparently all of this is A-OK because the targets are "terrorists".

It won't be long before we see that label used within our borders to justify the same.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:41 | 768535 xenophobe51
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And the definition of "terrorist" gets a little looser with every passing dissident. Join a militia? Terrorist. Reveal government information? Terrorist. Become an Oathkeeper? Terrorist. Defy the TSA? Terrorist.

This slippery slope we live on is getting slippery.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:23 | 768410 cougar_w
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That day will come when Corporatism becomes the national religion.

Which was what ... sometime last year?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:34 | 768487 DaveyJones
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The Twelve Stages of the Boss. Make sure you kneel.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:45 | 767842 positivepnl
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more government intervention, this time to spur hitman month-over-month growth

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:56 | 767911 MsCreant
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Hope and change I can believe in. There are so many folks that need killing, the economic recovery is on it's way! Keep printing and killing and we will save the world!!

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:24 | 768057 Rusty_Shackleford
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It is the normal progression of a typical civilization's economic base:

Agriculture -> Manufacturing -> Service -> Magic Beans -> Fraud -> Contract Killing


All great societies end up with a "Death Based" economy.


One of my favorite Onion headlines:


December 6, 1933

Stalin announces five-year 'Everybody Dies' plan
50 Million Russians to perish by 1939. Over two million new jobs to be created in grave-digging, body-dumping fields.


Thu, 12/02/2010 - 00:47 | 770928 MsCreant
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On a long enough timeline all societies are "great," eh?


Lots of old skool folkz out today. Happy to see you. Saw DOD and Heph and GG around the place recently. Just need Chumba to show!

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:42 | 768542 xenophobe51
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Finally! Somebody's hiring!

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:45 | 767843 Ragnarok
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The entire world has lost its f'ing mind.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:03 | 767960 Oh regional Indian
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Pithy and too true.

It has.


Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:25 | 768425 cougar_w
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"The entire world has lost it's MOTHER FUCKING MIND."

There, fixed it for you.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:47 | 767854 jowenchrist
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shouold hang this fool up by his dick - if he had one -

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:07 | 767972 tmosley
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Sorry, this man has no dick.

I think the neck is more fitting.  Preferably this way:

Caution, not for those with weak stomachs. 

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:48 | 767859 Madcow
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We've already passed the point of no return.  

Journalists in the "West" are no longer free to disagree with their "leaders" without fear of being rounded up and executed. 



Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:05 | 768292 Kurtieboy
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Isn't this a great site!

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:28 | 768440 Bolweevil
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Done. Thanks for that.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:50 | 767871 the not so migh...
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go long assassins and suicide squads


Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:21 | 768041 espirit
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Sounds more like democracy in action-

What's your best price on a "hit", with the media in participation and doing free advertising.

Sick, sick world we live in.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:29 | 768451 cougar_w
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Hmm? That wouldn't be democracy in action, that would be the free market. Gotta love that whole invisible hand thing, but I do wonder if this is what Adam Smith had in mind.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:50 | 767875 Oh regional Indian
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From hero to six feet under....
But not like this. I'm sure flannyganny has done much worse in his time.


Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:54 | 767877 Arius
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Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:54 | 767878 Arius
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Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:51 | 767879 RowdyRoddyPiper
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I musta missed the Campus Rec Assassination games when I attended the UofC. Damn.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:57 | 767927 MsCreant
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Paintball? Lazer Tag?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:08 | 767976 subqtaneous
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Hunting trip w/Dick Cheney?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:13 | 768004 DaveyJones
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With or without a Supreme Court member?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:31 | 768465 cougar_w
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And all those first-person-shooter video games. We've become Assassination Nation.

I think want to go home now.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:54 | 767881 Arius
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Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:51 | 767882 Arius
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the great solution used over and over: kill the sympthoms; under no circumstances DO NOT look for the cause.

why am I not suprised of everything collapsing around us? it is this mindset of "killing the messenger" which has to change first... 

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:55 | 767885 Arius
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Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:52 | 767888 RowdyRoddyPiper
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I musta missed the Campus Rec Assassination games when I attended the UofC. Damn.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:52 | 767890 voltaic
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Truth is treason in the empire of lies. George Orwell

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:57 | 767928 DaveyJones
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this is where we wade

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:53 | 767892 Arch Duke Ferdinand
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Do I hear my name being called!!!

My services are available for a State Visit/Parade to a Capital of your choice.

...Except for Sarajevo...been there, done that.

hrh ADF

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:59 | 767894 Head for the Hills
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I think someone should put a bullet in Tom Flanagan's head.


Is it now OK to call for the assination of people who post things you don't like on web sites?

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 06:28 | 769732 RECISION
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Yeah, I also think some-one should make Flanagan "disappear".   Does that count?

Can we get a poll on who should disappear???

Does anyone have his email so we can post the results to him.

Or we can have a drone deliver it..

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:56 | 767914 sabra1
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it's illegal in canada to make  death threats! hope he gets mauled by a polar bear!

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:00 | 767946 MsCreant
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He didn't make a death threat. He is a ball-less wonder who wants someone else to do it for him. Getting someone else to use a drone to do it for him makes him feel manly.  

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:48 | 768176 SRV - ES339
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A sad but apt description of the entire Harper crew... completely in the tank for the corporate masters.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:13 | 767917 UnRealized Reality
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One of George Patton Quotes; NO MAN, NO PROBLEM. Nothing has changed except they are saying it in the open. They are a bunch of Mafia in suits.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:40 | 768126 Jean Valjean
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The mafia was more honorable.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:35 | 768490 cougar_w
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The Mafia was just a business. These guys are oligarchs and demagogues. The Mafia never produced Adolf Hitler, and really couldn't. Oligarchs and demagogues produce dictators and tyrants as a rule rather than as an exception.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:56 | 767918 Captain Willard
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People reacted the same way when the Pentagon Papers were leaked. 40 years later, most people are glad they were leaked.

Occasional debacles like Wikileaks are the price we pay for a vibrant, free press. People forget how much sunshine the Government has pumped up our asses over the years. Fear of embarrassment and the retribution of the People is the only thing that contains the Government. Even then, it isn't enough.......

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:19 | 768034 nopat
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It's painfully obvious you aren't married.

As an aside, people haven't forgotten.  They're fully conscious of it: either they lack the intellectual capacity to understand the complex system of opposing and coinciding interests that is global policy, and thus don't; or they fully grasp the concept, but simply could give a shit because the relevance on more pressing issues like paying the bills, raising a family, and otherwise being a responsible member of society is at best terciary and in all likelihood moot.  That's why politicians are hired in the first place.

Seriously, mention the Pentagon Papers to anyone on the street and see if a glimmer of recognition even registers in their eyes.  Print the whole fucking cablegate database out, and read it to them out loud show-and-tell style.  Nothing changes.  The lights didn't dim.  Soldiers and insurgents didn't lay down arms.  Wookies and Ewoks didn't dance by the campfire as Julian burned the corpse of our nation in effigy.  Except the notion that the world isn't perfumed with the sweet ordor of unicorn farts comes as a surprise to Mr. Assange likely now means the outright physical security of my country, to speak nothing of the direct impact to those in the communiques, is now at risk. 

And he's not even a citizen.  Fuck him and the altruistic, ego-stroking, don't worry baby just the tip, horse he rode in on.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:31 | 768085 DaveyJones
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And it's obvious you're in a painfull marriage. There is a serious "relevance" to "paying the bills, raising a family, and otherwise being a responsible member of society" and what our "politicians" are doing. Get a clue. 

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:46 | 768566 nopat
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Painful marriage?  You speak as if there's another kind, matey.  Then again, anything worth a shit requires effort.  I digress.

Your premise, though, is logically inconsistent.  In order for there to be relevance, there has to be effectiveness.  By creating perfect transparency (such as this particular case), the means by which a politician is effective through the privilaged communication they have with their diplomatic peers, and the means which that information is valuable by internal dissemination under protection of secrecy, is rendered entirely ineffective.  The only way it could possibly be zero-sum at best for society is if you had it on such a systematic scale so as to impact the world in its entirety.  As it stands, The United States and it's national security was specifically targeted to the benefit of sovereign interests on the other side of the power equation, and by a person without the whim of inherent patriotic burden (or any vested interest) by virtue of citizenship.

We afford such privilage so that individuals like doctors, lawyers, religious figures, et al have the separation from interference so they can be effective.  It is our responsibility to police such privilage, not Mr. Assange's.  And as much as you may not agree with the use of that privilage, even further by a public servant, it is important to remember that these people do not work for you.  They work for us.  If there's one thing in that first batch of cables that should be quite, almost academically, clear, it's the universal degree of self-interest displayed by everyone.

In the meantime, if we ever happen to cross paths, I'll buy the first round.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:21 | 768759 DaveyJones
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You're right, privileges have always existed in laws and societies. So have exceptions. Most of those are based on circumstance, conflicts of interest and extreme situations. Societies are the best to judge when their "leaders" have lost that. We are seeing that played out before our eyes

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 21:08 | 770382 Uncle Remus
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By your reckoning then, any effectiveness said politician/diplomat may have had was not in the best interests (I submit as self-evident) of the citizens they purport to act on behalf of, nor, in my view, in keeping with their oath of office, specificially, to defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:57 | 767919 masterinchancery
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Assange has already gotten people killed with his earlier leaks, so I won't shed any tears for him, or the people who fed him these leaked documents .  On the other hand, he has shed some interesting light on the antics of the Ruling Class and their striped pants assistants.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:05 | 767958 DaveyJones
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"on the other hand..."    did you take your Seroquel and Zyprexa today?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:10 | 767985 tmosley
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Tell me, masterinchicanery, exactly who did he get killed?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 05:18 | 774629 Dave
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I was wondering that myself. But you have to admit he did severly

piss off a lot of people in high places. And for that I thank him...

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:57 | 767922 Dr. Engali
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If that doesn't prove we are rapidly approaching a police state nothing will. And look at all those fools smiling in agreement.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:57 | 767931 doggis
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funny that - mention anything about exposing a BANK and suddenly it is jfk style elimination all over again!!


Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:18 | 768025 Andrew G
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It's one thing going after the lapdogs and it's another going after the masters. Now, it's PERSONAL!

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:37 | 768510 cougar_w
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Personal? No actually now it's about real money.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:05 | 767932 Sean7k
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This guy should have thought a little more about saying this. Anyone who calls for the murder of people without due process are only opening the door to their own murder. Is not pre-emption in this situation justified? 

If Palin is calling for murder before due process, how does anyone support this? 

Why are people still fooled by this patriotic garbage- these people are fascists. 


PS: Assassination is only used with political figures. This would be murder.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 11:58 | 767934 Internet Tough Guy
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Mafiosi mentality. How long until canadian drones are firing missiles into french-speaking suburbs?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:08 | 767977 DonnieD
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I didn't even know Canada had drones. Don't they contract that hit to the US?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:39 | 768120 Eally Ucked
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We have plenty of drones, not flying ones, you have example on that clip.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:04 | 767963 flaunt
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Someone ought to assassinate cowards on tv calling for the assassination of others.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 21:11 | 770387 Uncle Remus
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You gonna finish that pretzel?

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 00:49 | 770935 MsCreant
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I think you just did, UR! Guess it depends on the definition of assassination.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:04 | 767964 metastar
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And what would happen to a mere peasant if they were to openly call for a group to assassinate a criminal, corrupt, and illegitimate government official?

Oh what a double standard we have.

The solution lies not in the assassination of individuals, but in the destruction of harmful institutions (think Federal Reserve, TBTF publicly bailed out institutions, ...) and the idea that corporations should be treated as individuals (i.e. be able to endlessly lobby government with financial resources/weapons not at all available to citizens).

When money is controlled by the government, and government is controlled by the people, only then will democracy flourish.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:50 | 768188 Jean Valjean
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Wrong.  Don't pull an Ellen Brown.  Our representative government would be no better and controlling money than the Fed.  In fact they would be much worse.  The dollar must become the Constitutionally mandated dollar again.  Only THEN will democracy flourish because the money will be controlled by the people.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 17:21 | 769670 hbjork1
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History read will show that in the beginning,when the government was much weaker and there were fewer laws  to regulate how things were done; "Let the buyer beware." was a very appropriate watchword. Laws developed to deal with different problems were the basis of what we have today.  Government projects were often rife with corruption.  The first great construction project was the Erie Canal.  That history might be interesting for people with time and access to a suitable library.  New York City had its gangs and Tammany hall history. 

And, of course, there was the confiscation of American Indian hunting grounds in the South when the US had signed a treaty giving protection. 

The funding for the Union Pacific railroad was subject to a lot of graft that created substantial fortunes for some. 

Harry Truman became popular enough to get a VP nod because, as Senator, his personal inspection tours, exposing graft and non delivery by WWII military suppliers and later work as head of the "Truman Committee, got him a reputation as an honest patriot. 

And so on.

The laws we have today are the result of over 200 years of experience with our constitutional government. 

The problem is NOT with the constitution or the form of government.  The problem is with what "we the people" have chosen to seek in our life direction and representation.  We have seen movies on this board of shoppers, full of animal spirits, going after bargan toys. 

We are what we seek and do.   Talk show hosts can only survive by getting "eyes".  If they are too factual they will be too boring. 

Sarah Palin gets lots of press today because she was popular with the voters. 

Jimmy Carter was on the Diane Rehm show yesterday.  He is 86 now but still very lucid with good memory.  

He was not really what the Americans wanted.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:55 | 768217 flaunt
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That's a nice fairytale about government but it never works.  Might as well say "if all the bad people dug a hole and buried themselves..."  Every gov't always ends up being controlled by the most vile and corrupt individuals possible.  Giving the gov't control over money is like giving a rapist a knife.  Democracy only ensures that nobody is ever held accountable for what they do in government.  They always blame bad decisions on their predecessors or on the plausible notion that they are "just one among many."  They hold silent votes so nobody knows who sold them out.  Dictatorships aren't the solution either, obviously.  We just need a collective "ah-ha" moment to realize that there is no such thing as good government and proceed to the logical conclusion.


Wed, 12/01/2010 - 22:01 | 770466 StychoKiller
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"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence -- it is FORCE" -- George Washington
Government force is merely the application of state power.  Without power, there can be no force.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:06 | 767969 gwar5
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A Canadian said What?  Drones are cool, but the Swedes would not approve.

Still, trying to stop Assange with sex charges is a pathetic cop out.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:06 | 767970 Moric
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I am ashamed to be Canadian right now.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:11 | 767995 Bastiat
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There's hope if that fool is fired by week's end.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:26 | 768066 espirit
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and Palin loses her reality show.

Oh no!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 05:26 | 774634 Dave
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That won't happen. Boobus Americanus loves her.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:12 | 768000 Double down
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Me too, he is as close to full retard as one can get.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:14 | 768009 Larry Darrell
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At least those of us looking for greener pastures can now scratch Canada off our list of options.   Glad he did all the legwork for me.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:40 | 768530 cougar_w
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But there's a lot of forest up there to get lost in. In the last great dust up with Fascism lots of hardy folks grabbed their rifles and camp gear and just vanished into the woods. It turned out to be very important they did.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 17:25 | 769689 ThreeTrees
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I haven't been proud to be a Canadian since...I don't even know.  I mean shit, the canadian identity is defined by the inability to cope with our collective insignificance.  Pure cosmic coincidence deigned that most of us were born here into one of the world's biggest oilfields/logging forests.  The people are insignificant and the only thing our heads of state have to leverage is how willing we are to accelerate the extraction of our natural resources.

Our primitive coping mechanisms lead us to demean and ridicule "stupid, ignorant Americans" so that we can find solace in our illusionary superiority while we sit, ignorant of our own ignorance, blissfully along for the ride, touching the same milestones, committing the same mistakes the governments of the world have already made as we follow those same governments down the path to social and economic ruin.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:10 | 767984 AbandonShip
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Disgusting and a blatant double-standard.  I like it!

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:11 | 767998 goldstandard
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You may shoot the messenger, but someone will always take his place.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:24 | 768417 Apocalicious
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Come on, you just shoot him, too. Duh...

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 17:54 | 769807 RECISION
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+1 (recurring)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:12 | 767999 ArrestBobRubin
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Cavea Emptor bugtime here friends.... Assange and Wikileaks is in fact an intel community limited hang out with superficially clever wrapping. This will become increasingtly ovbious as we see what revelations are there in spades, and what and who is assiduously avoided.

The golden question Cui Bono? is one's greatest tool in discerning truth and reality.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:14 | 768007 the not so migh...
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Same thing can be said about the Larouche groupies, they get the info right but what are the conclusions?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:21 | 768038 DaveyJones
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I keep thinking, we manufactured physical terrorism to capture oil, are we manufacturing virtual terrorism to capture the internet?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:43 | 768547 cougar_w
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Capture or cripple. Same thing I guess. They can already monitor everything posted or traded there, we're only one step away from our own Great Wall of America on the Internet.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 05:32 | 774635 Dave
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Yeah, well, we didn't capture much oil.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:15 | 768014 goldstandard
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Cui Bono, if that is the case, couldn't be any worse than the crap we've had running things for the last 100 years. Bring on the banking information ASAP.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:49 | 768087 ArrestBobRubin
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I don't disagree, but do realize it will come with an agenda. The bank in qustion is BAC, the agenda is to finish it off after its role of assigned dumping ground for the other banks financial toxic waste has been completely fulfilled.

They'll get to walk away from the steaming wreck of BAC. We'll all get the bills.

Caveat Emptor on Wikileaks and Assange.


Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:47 | 768570 cougar_w
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That's one theory. But they could nuke BAC with the stroke of a pen and look like heros, just like they might have nuked Lehman and could still nuke Citi. Trot out some whistleblowers and it's done.

Occam's Razor holds. Complex mechanisms to achieve simple goals are not favored in the world.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:05 | 768682 In Fed We Trust
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The Merill Lynch and BofA deal didn't make any sense; unless it was a dumping ground.

It was the only deal inwhich a Wall St bank gotten taken by a retail bank.

John Thain bold enough to asked for 40 million in bonuses for his brokers on a paper napkin at the closing table.




Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:17 | 768019 Clint Liquor
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The obvious question has nothing to do with Mr. Assange.

If he can get all of this Top Secret data presumably for free, what do you suppose is available for serious money?

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:27 | 768071 ArrestBobRubin
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Clint, you're right in that anyone could have played the "Assange" role in this story.

But we all need to think thru the merits of this story, it stinks to heaven. Let's start with how he supposedly came into possession of such info. 

Does anyone seriously believe he got it for "free"? As the assigned lead role, the props came with the part. 

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:48 | 768578 cougar_w
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Doesn't play. People are usually more motivated by ideology than money. Tyranny galvanizes it's opponents unlike anything else.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:18 | 768026 Bay of Pigs
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Another brainwashed fool who thinks he's clever and witty. The reporter did nothing to pin him down on those irresponsible and inflammatory remarks. Another sign that the MSM is useless.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:52 | 768596 cougar_w
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A lot worse than "useless" actually. I'd place the MSM squarely on the side of the destroyers of democracy, and they are doing so for money.

As one of my characters recently remarked in a story I wrote: "And that places you in so deep a level of Hell that God doesn't even remember where it is!"

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:20 | 768035 LongSoupLine
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INteresting how the "Kill Wiki" rhetoric has been stepped up since the news release of a "bank" being next on the list.  Yep, we know where the real power is.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:20 | 768037 pagan
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Holy fokkin shit! How stoopid you Yanks are.

If wikileaks had any serious information (except from the gossip)that would threaten the powers to be, do you expect it to get this coverage from the MSM?

Not a chance in hell! That's 100% sure. 

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:35 | 768104 Trundle
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1.  Wikileaks is controlled Psyops.

2.  Sarah Palin is a stooge controlled by the Rothschilds (through Lynn Forrester de Rothschild, wife of Evelyn.

Enter this data, and recompute.


Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:54 | 768604 cougar_w
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The MSM attention is resolutely negative. They will crow with front page headlines when someone is dead.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:57 | 768626 In Fed We Trust
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Good point.


Two days in a row. 


Shit I bet tomorrow he dies.  Sorry Assange, Bin Laden got away now we got you dead.









Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:21 | 768043 New Revolution
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My God, I can't believe what I'm reading.    Some of you think its ok to assassinate someone over Free Speech?   I always questioned Sarah Palin but could never really put my finger on the exact reason why.    But she's solved that problem for me.    I'd like to see Assange get more info out, and the more the better.    What happened to our open society where issues are aired for discussion, debate and resolved by first the voter and then his representative.    Are we to advocate endless 'Dancing with the Stars' and leave everyone ignorant so that we can have more of the same tyranny we should be living to cast aside and be Free?   

Assange is being persecuted now for trumped up 'sex charges' by the elite establishment trying to shut him down.    Do they fear him that much?    Damn right they do.   And some lemmings rants that I'm reading here support that fear.

Get thee behind me Satan. 

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:46 | 768162 Eally Ucked
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They are called patriotic lemmings, if most of info released were about China it would be ok.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:57 | 768624 cougar_w
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As our own CD might remark (dude, you've got some work here) the weak of mind have no alternative but to defend their world view at all costs just to maintain their fragile sense of wellness and balance, just to function even at a primitive level. That wellness and mental security are all that matters to them. But they are not symptoms of the problem, the are the problem.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:25 | 768065 Ferg .
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Wikileaks is only controversial due to the culture of secrecy and the obsession with saving face that pervades contemporary politics/business . That officials around the world are kicking up a fiery shit storm because certain truths have been revealed and certain government claims have been proven false , says a lot about the sordid state of things currently .

Whenever there is a bilateral summit between world leaders (or a meeting or hollow press release from some individual in a position of prominence)   I always observe as the participants smile and shake hands and utter completely empty vacuous words as the world media eagerly look on . I always wish I could get a clear picture , beyond the friendly functional bullshit spewed out . Thanks to Wikileaks I can . It's by no means perfect ,but it does serve a very useful purpose : to expose the truth and to contradict the lies of various institutions around the world ( be they governmental or financial ) .

Decision making on anything , whether it be who to vote for in an election or in what part of the world to invest your capital , depends on honest , transparent and truthful data/facts . As long as these remain elusive , sites like Wikileaks will always thrive and enjoy popular support .

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:58 | 768635 cougar_w
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